Monday, April 20, 2009
Should pot be legal?


President Obama recently visited with Felipe Calderon, president of Mexico, to discuss measures to reduce drug cartel activity and increase border security. The issue of marijuana legalization has been brought up several times in public discourse as a possible solution to this problem. 

We asked iReporters to share their views on whether marijuana should be legalized, and we received a lot of passionate responses . To best present these viewpoints, we thought we'd try something new and place two videos side-by-side. Here, adriana71 and JimMorrison1 go head-to-head against and for legalization, respectively. Click the thumbnails to view the videos, then comment below and tell us who you think won the debate.

628 Comments
April 20, 2009

The only problem with marijuana to business execs is that it will make tobacco obselete. Marijuana was growing wild in America when the first Puritan colonists came here. The tax revenue to be had from legalizing only marijuana, forget about the rest of those drugs, is truly profound and can be lucrative. Surely, the DUI death rate would plummet and jail cells would be emptied by half. I just wonder how retroactive punishments for marijuana violations woould be. I bet its the legal aspect of this case that's the biggest hurdle to clear

April 20, 2009
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I believe it should be legalized.  As a cancer patient forced to "live with it", I am for legalizing marijuana because it helps a person tolerate the side effects of chemo.  It helps with the nausea; helps keep me calm and not psycho; helps my appetite; and in general, helps. I've never heard of alcohol or cigarettes doing things to help a person.  Besides, it would be a great cash crop for the country - think of the taxes it would bring in!

April 20, 2009

DEEMZ HIT IT WITH THAT FIRST SENTENCE.

April 20, 2009
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Not only MJ, but all "controlled" substances should be legalized. They should be what they are called, controlled and taxed. It would get the violence out of the trade, guarantee their purity (many people are poisoned/overdose by adulterants no the drugs themselves), and allow and provide funds (tax) to treat the ones that seek help as opposed to arresting them. Many opposed to that would say that it would increase the number of people that would use drugs. I say it would simply get the ones that already do out of the closet and enable others to see their afflication and help them, if they need it.

April 20, 2009
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Anti-marijuana rhetoric is an old propaganda that is slowly being eradicated. Thank you politicians of the early 20th century for all the harm your lies have caused.

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is one of the least dangerous substances to use recreationally.

April 20, 2009
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Yes, iif under regulation. It will also be a good source of government funding for Obama to pump into health care.

April 20, 2009
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Of course...  I have never heard of a violent domestic dispute between two high people.  Angry drunk?  Sure thing.  Angry stoner?  Nope...  Ever meet a stoner that was mad, violent or causing massive social harm?  How about a drunk?

 

It's simple math but mostly dumb politics formed by an idolized dead republican's lost agenda to start a "War on Drugs"...

 

Imagine the micro farming this would support where US based growers could again produce a crop that is not government subsidized, nor patented...  Monsanto would be foaming at the mouth to screw this one up.

April 20, 2009
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Cigarettes were the gateway drug for me - even lead to more alcohol. Ever since I got a marijuana prescription, I quit smoking nicotine and drinking beer completely.

April 20, 2009
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$30K annually to incarcerate a non-violent offender in the company of murders, rapists, theives... dope.

 

Even larger tax revenues & job growth possible than the current profiteering from it's prohibition. 750,000 more people contributing to the economy.

 

The vice iteself is taxed, EA & Nintendo stock values triple, the snacks....(I feel snack food/obesity should be taxed too)

 

Liquor Store clerks card or get fired.. Dealers do not.

 

Addiction is in the open. "When you gonna quit that?"

 

Prohibition of Alcohol was snicker, snicker.. who cares.

Pot is the same snicker snicker "is the greatest Olympian of all time really a tenth of a second faster"?

 

It is the single step needed to legitimize the real war on drugs.

 

A dirty Phillip Morris/Budweiser/Pfizer is safer that any cartel.

 

Happy four20

April 20, 2009
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It should be legalized and regulated like alcohol. But if that isn't possible, it needs to be open to patients who have a medical need for it

 

www.medicalmarijuana.co.cc

April 20, 2009
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Adriana71 doesn't seem to know that marijuana is not a "narcotic" in the sense that is not an opioid and does not have the addictive potential of opioid pain killers.  The use of the term, then, is meant to be inflammatory and not reflect truth.

 

Safer than either alcohol or tobacco, no more addictive than coffee, it is nonsensical that it is illegal and punishable by imprisonment.

 

I don't know if this side by side debate makes any difference.  Most people have already considered this issue in detail and come to their own conclusions.

 

April 20, 2009
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Seriously reminding me of Curtain and Ackroyd...and you know what Dan always said.

 

Grow up, it's 2009.  The only thing in danger around pot are the Dorito's. 

 

Will Uncle Sam do the same bang-up job with legalization that they do with most things?  Yep.

 

It's a sacrifice the pro-legalization crowd will just have to endure.

April 20, 2009
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I hope CNN keeps up coverage on this topic. Yet again and again, about 90 percent of respondents to marijuana-related blog posts and articles on CNN are in favor of legalization. I think you guys should do a special on this topic, like CNBC's Marijuana, Inc. (which was disappointing to say the least). We understand that some of the most powerful forces in American business (Big Pharma, Tobacco and Alcohol industries, as well as paper products) are against our cause, and organizations like NORML cannot possibly stand up to the financial might of these corporations. This is why we need the MSM to represent the people, in a non-biased way as CNN claims its news cycle is.

April 20, 2009
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I think the weight of the evidence favors legalization by far. JimMorrison won the debate, but honestly there are a number of other compelling arguments to be made on behalf of legalized marijuana.  Many of those against legalization refuse to accept an overwhelming amount of medical evidence and cling to disproven drug war propoganda. I find Obama's failure to "lead" on this issue disappointing.

April 20, 2009
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Where are the vids? I must be high? LOL

April 20, 2009
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Just like alcohol pot can be a problem if you over do it. Just like ETOH pot must be taxed. Legalization will significantly reduce the out flow of money to the cartels. Hard drug users may migrate over to marijuana. Control of the marijuana distribution will be attained. Health effects: carcinogens do enter the system. A cleaner method of ingesting the dope is needed. But all in all, I would not do it, too many other worthwhile pursuits.

April 20, 2009
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turbotrauma -- i couldnt agree with you more!  my point exactly, when has pot ever killed anyone? theres not even one medical case of someone dying b/c they smoked pot. what causes more issues in our society stoned-munchie-consuming individuals or those drunk idiots wreaking havoc every where alcohol is consumed. 

 

LEGALIZE IT.

April 20, 2009
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April 20, 2009
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Yes marijuana should be legalized. By legalizing marijuana and placing laws and fines on marijuana use for using marijuana in the same manner that alcohol has laws restriticing it's use and fines for breaking the law, alot of the problems associated with marijuana can be solved. The biggest aspect of any type of illegal drug use or using legal drugs in an illegal way is too create a better high sensation. One of the main attractions of smoking 'pot' is that it is a way for children to rebel against their parents making choices for them in their life that the child does not want to do, like going to a certain school and taking a certain

course at college to better elevate the image and status of the parent's instead of the child being able to chose for theirself. Defiance of parental and legal establishments and or rules and laws is the main reason why pot is smoked. By making pot legal the defiant child will no longer be able to use pot as a means of seeking revenge on the parents. When marijuana does become legal it will undoubtly cause what I would call it as being a "Wall Mart Price on Armani Suites." Everyone would rush to their local dealer and start buying and smoking as much as they wanted to, but with as any fad especially one that is an illegal fad turned legal would eventually settle down to nothing more then another

episode of "The Simple Life." Another reason why children and adults smoek the pot is because they want to be at the center of attention even if it means being sent to jail for selling pot and or making the blotter, at least they were seen by alot more people then someone else was. Granted there will be the problems of the extreme marijuana smoker that just can't seem to get that high that they got off of that first toke. These types of smokers would then seek cocaine, crystal meth and other forms of highly addicting and deadly narcotics to laze their joints with. These are the extreme smokers that will go to any length to best their regular pot smoker. With everything in the world there are the extreme and addicted, the extreme smoker is no different then the shop-o-holic, the excessive gambler, the drunk ect. Now how should marijuana be regulated, if bought legally then a person would have to use a credit card type storage device that would record their usage when a certain amount of marijuana was purchased. A weekly purhcase amount would have to be established as to keep an excessive amount from being bought and then sold on the black market, maybe, as they call it on the street, a deuce five or quarter per week would be the limit. Now this deuce five bag could be broken up into joints or any combination equalling a quarter ounce of marijuana.

The growing would be regulated by the federal government and anyone caught growing their own plants would face the same criminal charges that are on the law books today. Usage laws could be enacted the same as are applied to alcohol use, you cant smoke pot at work, while driving, or in the public area unless otherwise specified. Lets face it America, marijuna is the biggest source of income for the drug cartels in Mexico who are funding illegals to cross the border to take jobs away from Americans as well as taking tax dollars out of the system. The only way to win the illegal immigration battle is too take away the drug cartels profits. I am certain that the onl ones that would oppose such a change in law would be the drug cartels theirselves, street dealers that have not been caught and still vote or pay someone to not vote to legalize marijuana and the hypocrits that like to complain about everything under the sun.

April 20, 2009
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Lets face it, pot the #1 cash crop in California, if taxed would be a windfall for states, and users would no longer have their lives ruined because they are caught by the police.  And the police would have time to look for real criminals.  It is a no brainer, in Europe the drinking ages are much lower and because of that kids aren't tempted to drink behind closed doors.  Same applies here, sometimes taking away the novelty makes something less wanted.

April 20, 2009
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In the Netherlands where it is legal, only 20% of adults have tried pot. In the US, where it is illegal, 40% of adults have tried it. Is there really a correlation between the legality of it and the number of users?

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana should totally be legal. Its illegality only serves to put innocent people in jail, fund gangs, and promote violence. It's the same thing that happened as a result of alcohol prohibition.

 

The argument, promulgated here by Adriana Maxwell, that pot is a "gateway drug," is simply nonsense. I've known pot-smokers my whole life, and they tend to be opposed to using other drugs, either because they're "too mellow" to bother, or because they just have no desire for anything "harder." Anti-drug organizations have been using this argument for decades because it sounds scary, but it just ain't true. People who would use cocaine/heroin/PCP/crack/speed/etc. would use it whether or not they smoked pot.

 

Also, Maxwell's oblique reference to marijuana causing negative side effects in men's sexual performance is just another instance of throwing around non-facts to support a bad argument. But let's just assume it's true. Does that make it OK to ban pot? I think not. Cigarette smoking is documented to cause reduced sexual performance as well, yet it is legal. This is true of alcohol as well. A man could, in theory, hit his own genitals with a hammer, and it would be legal. It is simply not grounds for illegality.

 

The issue at hand is that pot is nowhere near as harmful as it's been portrayed to be by anti-marijuana crusaders. The most major aspect of it that causes harm to people is its illegality. That has been the primary source of all the violence and other crime related to marijuana since it was banned in the early 20th century. If it were legal and regulated, there would be no "black market" for it, and it would provide a great deal of tax revenue.

 

Instead, people are arbitrarily thrown in jail for possession and other very minor "offenses" in the name of an unwinnable "war on drugs." It's a terrible policy, and one that can only make matters worse.

 

Marijuana will continue to exist indefinitely, and people will continue to use it medicinally and recreationally as long as it exists. The best approach to the situation is to allow it to be legal, tax and regulate it like alcohol, and watch marijuana-related gangs and crimes disappear altogether.

 

All other drugs should be treated in the same way, for the same reasons (though the arguments are a bit more complicated). Drug prohibition only causes more problems, without actually reducing the problems that the drugs themselves can create.

April 20, 2009
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Pot should absolutely 100% be legalized. Let’s look at the issue from a health stand point. Alcohol kills 75,000 Americans per year, tobacco kills about 435,000 Americans per year, and Marijuana kills 0 Americans per year.

Now let’s look at it from a monetary standpoint. If pot were legalized the US Government which has worse credit than Michael Vick would stand to make about 70 Billion per year form taxing it and not paying law enforcement agencies to investigate pot cases.

This is one of the easiest decisions I have ever seen! Pot should be legal!

 

April 20, 2009
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The legalization of marijuana (and possibly other drugs down the line if marijuana legalization was a success) would have so many positive impacts on our society.

 

1)  The sale of illegal drugs provides a huge portion of the income that drives America's street gangs.  Without all that illicit money to be made, there is very little need for street violence.

 

2)  There would be a huge amount of money taxpayer money saved by not having to pay for the court proceedings and incarceration of drug offenders.

 

3)  There would be a HUGE amount of new federal tax money to be made by hitting the legal sale of marijuana with a "sin tax" just like alchohol & tobacco.

 

4)  A significant portion of the money spent on "the war on drugs" could be re-assigned to more useful things like drug education, drug abuse treatment, and also non-drug-related items like general education and infrastructure improvement.

 

5)  The trickle-down effects that Mexico would feel in a decrease in violence and political corruption would be massive.

 

6)  It would create an entire new industry for job creation in the country.  Yes, the tobacco companies would probably end up being the "big guns" in this new industry as well ... but there could also be legal, small, local growing/sales businesses spring up ... similar to your local or micro-brewery doing small specialized varieties.  Even "in home" growing (within limitations) similar to home-brew beer.

 

I would invite there to be EXTREMELY strict regulation as far as the need to be liscenced to commercially grow and very strict rules about Driving Under the Influence and other such issues.

 

I think the upsides are too significant to ignore.

April 20, 2009
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Just like alcohol pot can be a problem if you over do it. Just like ETOH pot must be taxed. Legalization will significantly reduce the out flow of money to the cartels. Hard drug users may migrate over to marijuana. Control of the marijuana distribution will be attained. Health effects: carcinogens do enter the system. A cleaner method of ingesting the dope is needed. But all in all, I would not do it, too many other worthwhile pursuits.

April 20, 2009
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I think it should be legalized as well. "Deemz" had a good point.

The money raised from taxing this drug would help with funding health care and/or schools attended for so called "at risk students/schools" that are not really benefiting from property taxes.

There should at least be a trial period for such a law to see how society is effected by "legalization" to end this debate.

April 20, 2009
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Is this still being debated? Seriously? Now that the right wing (who, by the way still like bootleggin') are gone, can the realistic people finally clean up all this BS? Geez. The prison system would be better. The DEA could relax and take all the hidden money, drugs and property they've "stolen" and put it back in the system. The good ole boys in the bayou who are growing now anyway can come out of the closet too. The benefits are almost endless. And the economic benefits would help immediately! And the drawbacks are...what were they again?

April 20, 2009
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Okay, children.  2 reasons that it will never become legal...

 

1.  Even though there would be a lot of money that can be made through taxation, marijuana is entirely too easy to grow ANYWHERE, thus regardless of it's legalization, a dealer can still undercut the pricing.  You have it, there's no way of telling it's not "company provided" unless you're looking at packaging.

 

2.  The argument of alcohol versus marijuana is dumb.  Alcohol makes some people bostrous; weed makes everyone lethargic.  You guys would just forget to vote to make it legal, be it that you're registered to vote in the first place.

April 20, 2009
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Of course!

April 20, 2009
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Adriana's argument is totally based on nothing. First of all Marijuana was declared illegal in 1937, and the major reason for this was our federal government couldn't figure out how to tax the people using marijuana, mainly native americans. But lets go with her 1950's argument. In the 50's people drank and smoked packs of cigarettes while pregnant. in 2009 we know that women should not engage in drinking or smoking (both legal under federal law) due to many scientific studies. many scientists have said that smoking marijuana is no worse for you than smoking a cigarette. it needs to have regulations just like drinking and smoking. If our government could figure out how to tax marijuana and grow the good stuff, im sure it would be legal!

April 20, 2009
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Anyone who discuss this it just always seems the person who is pro-legalization just present a more intelligent debate than anti-legalization. I think all anti people should read the facts and drop the propaganda.

April 20, 2009
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Well, you can already get a DUI for driving high, so that isn't an issue.

April 20, 2009
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This is getting ridiculous, we need to legalize marijuana already. The cartel violence is getting out of hand. The US is giving Mexico over $1.5 billion help fight the cartels which are funded by the billions of dollars we as Americans spend on drugs every year. By legalizing Marijuana the Govt. could open up a whole new market here in the US and keep what I would image is up to billions of dollars spent on marijuana alone. This is money that's going into the pockets of the drug lords that could be kept here in America!

 

Think about it, The Govt, could open up shop on the growth and distribution of marijuana here in the US. Not only would this create hundreds of thousands of jobs, but the revenue from the endeavor could contribute to, the costs of free health-care, or college education grants. With a legal alternative, the number of cigarette smokers would go down, followed by the rate of lung cancer. If they wanted to go all out they could just make cigarettes illegal altogether and completely take over the smoker market. Without outrageous numbers of lung cancer, the costs of health care drops.

 

We need to reclassify marijuana, if people are educated about the uses of it, and not taught to associate it with the really bad drugs, then people wouldn't be so inclined to try hard drugs. Ex. "Well I tried pot, and it wasn't as bad as they told me in D.A.R.E, why shouldn't I try coke or ecstasy?"

 

Legalization, would be an effective tool in solving numerous problems. It would help to drop health care premiums, stop putting money into pockets of drug lords, keep millions of dollars here in the US, create jobs, and revenue that could contribute to paying off the national debt. Not to mention the millions that would be saved, on excessive drug enforcement spending, and the cost of the tax payers to prosecute, house, and feed, criminals convicted on marijuana charges

 

While all these suits are bickering over all the govt spending and how we're going to pay it off, I'm sitting here banging my head against the wall (while I should be doing homework) trying to figure out why they won't take this one simple action to help solve or at the very least make these major problems smaller than they are.

 

April 20, 2009
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It is hard to believe alcohol is legal and pot is still a criminal offense. Alcohol is proven worse on so many levels, my brother was killed by a drunk driver, than pot yet we have bars where people go out to get drunk and this is ok?

 

Legalization of pot only makes sense. You can then gain tax revenues, give farmers a new cash crop, empty jails and lower court costs, goodness the list is long. I have never been able to smoke pot, it makes me sick...so does alcohol but I sure don't have anything against it for those who can.

 

It is ridiculous to continue our current policies on this mild mannered drug.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Well, it isn't as if anyone who wants it can't get it.  Marijuana is readily available to anyone who desires it

At least if it were it to be legalized (and regulated and taxed, similar to alcohol and tobacco) the billions of dollars going thru the black-market, into the hands of drug lords and violent cartels, would be rerouted directly into the US Treasury.

Not to mention, it would provided domestic jobs and open up honest dialogue about the taboo subject, as well as allow research into other uses for the much maligned and misrepresented plant.

April 20, 2009
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Again with regard to Deemz comment, yes the tobacco industry would and will lobby long and hard against legalization as it would destroy their toxic business. I have an idea for them . . open up pizza, taco, icecream and candy shops for those legally high and you'll reap a fortune.

April 20, 2009
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Of course, marijuana should be legalized! I'm 78 yr.s old, haven't tooked in about 30 yr.s, I never saw anyone erupt in anger when using pot but I have seen many do so when using alcohol, including myself. Anything, if abused, can cause problems including food. I also know that using slowed my reactions for @ least 18 hr.s after my last took. Tobacco farmers could quit growing the dangerous weed & support themselves just as well by growing the calming weed. MJ should never have been included in the controlled substance laws in the 1st place. I knew a couple who started using MJ before the LaGuardia commisson outlawed it. They both enjoyed life into their 80's.

April 20, 2009
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It is my belief that ethyl alcohol poses a greater chronic and acute risk for the average person than THC (marijuana). Therefore, marijuana should be legalized but controlled in the manner of alcohol. There should be minimum age requirements, taxation, and restricted sales outlets.

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April 20, 2009
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Save lives--legalize.

April 20, 2009
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We need to concentrate our efforts on getting the FDA to remove it from the schedule 1 list and openly admit that it does have medical value. Big industry doesn't want that because it will hurt sales and they spend millions of dollars to protect that income. Funny how the DEA and FDA only think it is legal if it comes in a pill form. This is a natural product that can't be overdosed on, any way it is consumed. The other problem is that police agengies don't have any tests that can determine if you are stoned while driving. (how many deaths each year are related to alcohol, and how many are related to pot?) The government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. We, the people need to wake up to what is happening to our society BECAUSE of marijuana prohibition. This IS worse than alcohol prohibition and the number of murders last year alone along our borders is absolutely sickening proof of that. Over 1/4th of the U.S. has either made laws or constitutional ammendments to allow for the use of medical marijuana, and many more are in the process. Why does the federal goverment get to pick and choose which laws are and aren't going to be enforced? Do they get to do that with the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution? NO! Having this conflict of state and federal laws is costing this country it's dignity and continuity. Please write your congress men, and lets get our country back from big industry.

April 20, 2009
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In theory....ABSOLUTELY....in reality.....the price of pot will go skyhigh. Ask anyone in "legalized" California how much it costs there? But look on the bright side....the government will get it instead of the gangs....

April 20, 2009
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Yes, pot should be legalized.

April 20, 2009
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Alcohol and Tobacco is legal so why shouldn't Marijuana join the club.  It's the least harmful of the three.  Look at the number of deaths related to alcohol and cigarettes.  There are no reports of overdosing on marijuana, and countless deaths on alcohol poisoning or alcohol related violence every minute.  From my experience excessive alcohol consumption usually results in fights, vomitting, hangovers the next day, and very poor decision making, I admit I have drove drunk, Alcohol seems to give you a great amount of confidence and you usually don't think about what your doing you just do it on impulse.  I smoke several times a week to wind down and relax, I have a stomach issue and cannot drink alcohol so this just helps me relax and kick back, but if I get caught I go to jail, but there are people out there who sit in their home after work and can pop open a beer... why shouldnt I be allowed to roll a joint and kick back?? How many times do you hear about someone smoking a few joints then going and abusing their family now look at that question with alcohol, there are constantly good fathers or mothers that have a drinking problem and once they drink they turn to violence.  I just never hear of any violent situations happening with marijuana unless it involves a drug deal or gang violence.  If the government legalized it "yes" there would be a rise in users but it would just be people who smoke now coming out and not being afraid to hide their lifestyles.  Marijuana has countless uses, such as rope, fuel, medicine, recreational use, textiles, and much more, and this could be a billion dollar industry in these tough times, and if the goverment could regulate it we could eliminate the drug cartels influence on the trade of it.  It is not addicting, I have a good job and work everyday, and know people from police officers, lawyers, doctors, and businessmen that smoke frequently.  People are finally realizing this is not a drug and innocent people's lives are being ruined because of being thrown in jail for possession of marijuana.  Cops need to be worry about abductions of little girls, murders, terrorism, and the safety of our people.  I went to a debate between the head of the DEA and the editor of High Times at my college a few years ago and the head of the DEA even said he wouldn't care if marijuana was legal but the "smoke" hurt the lungs so he wasn't for it.  However cigarettes are legal.... we soon mentioned the vaporizor and other mechanisms that lessen the damage to the lungs and he seemed to be ok with it, I think another 30 min. we could have got him to rip one.  WE NEED TO MAKE A STUDY:  PUT 5 STONERS IN A ROOM SMOKING, AND 5 PEOPLE DRINKING IN A ROOM TOGETHER AND MONITOR THEIR ACTIONS, DECISION MAKING, AND PROVIDE DIFFERENT TESTS AND I CAN GUARANTEE THE SUBJECTS ON MARIJUANA WILL PROVE TO BE THE SAFEST, SMARTEST, AND MOST PEACEFUL SUBJECTS IN THE EXPERIMENT!

April 20, 2009
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Rev -

 

1. This point is irrelevant. You either grow it yourself or buy it from a store. People bootleg alcohol and cigarettes, which are billion dollar industries.

 

2. This is just offensive and wrong. You lack any logical thought process at all; Michael Phelps, anyone? Most lethargic person I know. Psh.

 

I'm so tired of people like you being in control of our country. That's why Obama's in.

April 20, 2009
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Of course all of those who say Yes - are probably using it and don't want to get busted.

 

NO - it should not be legalized -- can you imagine all of the people that will be out of work because they too stoned to come in? LOL - how about smoke break at work -- smoke break will go from 10 minutes to an hour - because everyone's stoned.

 

If it's legalized - I'm opening something food related - convience store or something - because there is gonna be allot of "munchies".

April 20, 2009
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Yes, yes and yes!!

Bottom line is, pot is no more harmful than alot of the drugs these doctors insist on pushing you into taking( that don't work). Its actually less harmful than alot of man made drugs.

I know what im doing at all times. If I have to drive and I seriously make it a point not to, in any circumstance, but if i do. I actually drive responsible, slower and much more cautiously than i do without anything in my body. I dont smoke during the day, only the end of the day.

Lets face it, we live in a country with a lot of greedy self serving people trying to stiff the underdogs and line their own pockets with as much cash as their greedy little hands to get ahold of. The revenue just from the sale of this drug and taxes would help this country out and release a whole lot of people clogging the prison systems for drug charges. Another huge expense for us taxpayers, keeping all these people in prisons and paying for it. Imagine the cash flow with less in prison systems.

Keep the real criminals in , not the ones in on BS charges like Marijuana.

 

Marijuana is almost much cheaper than alot of the drugs i need to be on. Even with insurance!!!!

 

It's time to legalize this drug.

 

I dont get in fights, i dont get agitated, i dont do alot of things. Alcohol on the other hand has almost killed me on more occasions than i care to admit. 2 overdoses were a direct result from black outs. I dont black out with Pot, I dont get suicidal with Pot, unlike alcohol.

And right now, pot is cheaper than my cigarettes and alcohol( i dont drink anymore).

Look at the countries it is legal in. Amsterdam for starters. You dont' hear of marijuana related crimes or deaths there, or stealing ect ect ect.

It works well over in that country, why not here?

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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There are enough people not using common sense in everyday activities now, let's not make them even more senseless by legalizing a drug that will alter their thinking just enough to make them complete morons.

April 20, 2009
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Right! Have everyone stoned on pot so the Taliban can walk in and decapitate us.

April 20, 2009
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Going to toke up at lunch break is like going to get drunk at lunch break. You'll get fired.

April 20, 2009
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Dear Atlantica...

 

If everyone grew they're own, there wouldn't BE drug dealers nor violence behind the drug trade, now would there?

 

Oh..  And I'm a strong Obama supporter.  Phelps?  Come on...  I'm pretty sure he's not high 85% of the time.  The amount of people needed to make it legal would require the one's that smoke weed like most smoke cigarettes, you dig?

 

If there's anyone who can argue with a valid point that a person's drive isn't affected by weed, please present it. 

April 20, 2009
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milehighman »   The police will give a pee test and you can get a DUI while on pot. I know a person who got this along with 1 year substance abuse program for the DUI.

April 20, 2009
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Of course it should be legalized.  It is a proven fact prohibition does not work. 

 

Howeever, it never will be.

 

Politically it is a dead end street.  Big tobacco will never agree to it as well as the large drug and alcohol manufacturers.  These are three big time financial donators who will "donate" as much as required to keep pot illeagal.  They would stand to loose too much money in the long run.  Well, who cares, you ask.  Big business cares, and since they care, the politicians care.  They care just as they are told to care.

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is a gateway drug.  Legalizing it would be gateway legislation.

April 20, 2009
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Our country has an opportunity to change our economy. We have a chance in this year of change, to help improve America. This is a big chance to speak out to everyone, all these big wigs will know about this... speak out! This is our chance. Legalize it!! Speak out everyone - change this 90% to 100% MAKE IT LEGAL AND TAX IT! LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AS THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN!!!

April 20, 2009
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I have long viewed pot in the same sense I do alcohol.  Used responsibly, it can be.  Party time, great, steady long term use, no.  Used when it may impair judgment, as in driving, no.

Legalization would put an end to wasted money trying to combat its use.  Taxes raised could cover consumer education (as in anti-smoking, responsible alcohol use ads) and be a valuable source of revenue.

Legalization would also stop ruining so many lives of those who use pot in a responsible manner.  The stigma would be gone, both socially and legally.

April 20, 2009

Legalize everything!  Pot, heroin, crack, coke..you name it.  That could be one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.  Give it 5-10 years and all the idiots will have killed themselves!  I say go for it!

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana should without a doubt be legalized.  And I am advocating legalization as someone who does not use the drug myself.

 

It would free up our court system that is consistently clogged with minor drug offenders.  This would save tax payers money.

 

It would alleviate some of the overcrowding in our jails.  This would save tax payers money.

 

It would also create a newly taxable industry.  With the legalization of marijuana would come the taxing of a product with an already established customer base.

 

In addition, it would also lower the numbers of drug related crimes, injuries, and murders that occur in this country and the countries that provide the drug to the US.

 

In conclusion, it would save tax payers LOTS of money, and create an entirely new product that can be taxed and actually provide a new source of capital for the government.

April 20, 2009
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Speak up America!!!

April 20, 2009
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One of the great benefits of legalization would be if right wingers would take up the humble weed. One can only imagine a mellowed out Sean Hannity, Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. A great deal of the world's bitterness and sarcasm would vanish.

April 20, 2009
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Oh and I forgot the prison industry.  Prison industry?  Yes, there is a large amount of money being made by having prisons full.  They are just another bunch of businesses that will fight as required to prevent pot from becomming legal.

 

Go Netherlands!!!!

April 20, 2009
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NO, IT SHOULD NOT BE LEGALIZED!!!

 

There were some studies done back in the early 1900's that determined it causes paranoia, schizophrenia, and you could freak out and kill your whole family. I've never actually heard of this happening.... but the government would not lie to us.

 

It is also a gateway drug. Of course I don't think they ever did a study to determine if alcohol & cigarettes are gateway drugs. But those are safe & legal so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

Plus, If we legalize it, where are we going to spend all of those billions that we now spend on the war on drugs. Law enforcement budgets will get cut. Just think of the problems that will be caused by all the billions the government will collect on taxes.  You see how they waste money now. They'll want to repair every road in the country.

 

In a nutshell, It's just going to create too many new jobs & get the country out of debt too fast. Better to just tax the population to death.

April 20, 2009
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No, it should not be legalized.  It is a drug, and a drug that is disgusting at that.  The smell spreads everywhere, and it absolutely reeks.  Besides, it impairs you.  I think a simpler, quicker, cheaper method to jail those who use it is in order.

April 20, 2009
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1.  Force people of all ages to view Reefer Madness as was done in the past.  That alone should do it.  The preamble to that movie "marijuana .....causes violent, uncontrollable laughter..." is a joke in itself obviously, considering the AMA recommends laughing at least 15 minutes/day for our health... and THAT is EXACTLY what marijuana does.  It makes just about ANYONE who does it, happier.

2.  Not a gateway drug.  It's not even a drug.  It's an herb put here on this earth by OUR Creator.  Christians, look it up on the 2nd page of the Bible "..... let the land produce vegetation: SEED-bearing plants....and it was so and it was good" Gen 1:11  GATEWAY DRUGS:  Alcohol and Prescriptions.  Check out the stats.

3.  CANNOT OD on THC.  Check the stats on Alcohol and Prescriptions.

4.  As far as Adriana71's statement on men speaking with their physician and what detrimental effects it "could" have on them, ie, sperm count... from experience with a few gentlemen friends and my husband, it has no effect in that regard so that is irrelevant.  If they have problems within that realm, probably due to something else.  They just HAPPEN to smoke marjuana too.  Perhaps they should have their cholesterol and blood pressure checked along with other medical issues that could be "hampering" them in that department ;-)

April 20, 2009
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yes, pot should be legalized - it's really not doing the country any good being illegal

April 20, 2009
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Propaganda is a major influence in the war on drugs. I have never known a person that has used marijuana and used any drug that was higher up on the totem pole due to marijuana. Actually most pot smokers I know use only marijuana. They tend to be much more docile individuals. Alcohol damages every internal organ and an individual may become angry, sad or just downright violent. These moods will change after each encounter with alcohol depending on the individual's mood or the subconscious mind. I know I was an alcoholic myself. I don't use marijuana, but have in the past. Marijuana never involved multiple mood changes, just an altered, relaxed state of mind. Please do your research before reporting on a topic that just involves your perspective from text books and online sites or government controlled information docks in general.

April 20, 2009
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RevPoopie:

High is high. I have friends who smoke, some get happy, some get nasty just like alcohol. If your mind has been altered you can not function normally at 100%.

April 20, 2009
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If pot were legal, what would happen the economy of Central America??  Legalization would probably eliminate the gangs...

April 20, 2009
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Yes legalize it. I have not found one place that you can't score a bag. I have been in about 50 citys, 15 states, and 3 countrys and not one problem yet. The war on drugs? How much money spent to fight it?

April 20, 2009
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Docky,

 

I hung out with a few people in college that smoked all the time, even par-took a some myself, and NEVER seen a hostile environment created.  Ever.  That's the pro of the situation.  Might as well give everyone Ritilin, eh?

April 20, 2009
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Haha

 

Well Rev, you just proved my point. It is illegal to grow. That is why the drug trade is booming, people are forced to get from dealers because growing is a felony. And people who are going to smoke do it already. They just wouldn't be classified as criminals. Why would you wish that stigma on otherwise law-abiding citizens?

 

People want a legal, non-addictive (yes, non-addictive), safer alternative to alcohol without being prosecuted for using it. Does it really irk you that much? Why is it your business what people do in their homes?

 

Please spare me the lethargic rhetoric. If that is your experience, then that is why you do not partake, and legalization wouldn't affect you either way.

 

But I'm glad you voted for Obama. That counts for something :)

April 20, 2009
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In the old days of concerts there weren't fights like today because when the concert was out, everyone was trying to remember where they parked their car...

April 20, 2009
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Okay, what is the main purpose to legalize marijuana? The drug cartel violence, right? Think about what will happen if they do legalize it. U.S. will have to import the drugs from Mexico. Only because it's cheaper in price and shipping. Even if the U.S. will avoid doing business with Mexico and get other countries to do it, the potency Mexico's of the product will be too competitive with other countries product. True pot heads want the best product available. It will all boil down to the drug wars activating again, that's assuming that the drug wars would be minimized or stopped in the first place. If you think outside the box, all these problems would not slow down the drug cartels, for they are smarter than the average pot head. They are business men that cannot make any errors, because if they do, they're dead. There is no room for mistakes in their 'line of profession', therefore they know what they're doing. They don't seem to budge on this possible legalization of marijuana, Meaning that they have a Plan B, C, D, E already laid out.

April 20, 2009
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Ms Adriana you are severely and embarrassingly misinformed on the subject of marijuana.

 

 

In your video blog you stated a few "facts" according to Adriana.

 

 

One, that Marijuana is a gateway drug. Plain and simple it is not. Marijuana is a drug that can be used in several ways, many times for constructive purposes. Did you know our president smoked marijuana, Ted Turner smokes marijuana, and several other contributing members of society( and they contribute far more than some misinformed ridiculous video blog )are avid marijuana supporters and smokers. There is no significant research whatsoever indicating that marijuana is a stepping stone to harder drugs.

 

 

In fact, marijuana has shown now signs of affecting cognitive abilities or intellect what soever. And it certainly has never been shown to be a gateway drug.

 

 

and

 

 

Two,with the adorable charm of a trisomy 21 ridden three year old you stated that " guys shouldnt smoke marijuana". I assume you are suggesting that marijuana leads to erectile dysfunction? This comment shows just how misinformed and frankly how ( and im sorry to say this) stupid you sound.

 

 

Cigarettes, have been shown to lead to erectile dysfunction. Marijuana has NEVER been linked to limp noodles. In fact, masturbation and intercourse while on marijuana is 1) more enjoyable and 2) longer lasting.I speak from experience.

 

 

 

You know nothing about marijuana and what it does.

 

 

Please be more responsible when spreading such slanderous filth in the future.

April 20, 2009
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I'm a mother of three beautiful Children , I just got the news that I have contracted a deadly illness most compared to Fredricks Ataxia .... ( SCA1) In this illness my appetite is none existent.. I was given the script for Marinol- thc pill.. I have no medical insurance and a one month script runs $1,800.00 how am I going to pay for this.. when the price of street marijuana is WAY CHEAPER BUT NOT LEGAL.. what are people like me going to do....It needs to be legal, and I will support this to my dying day .....Monte' 

April 20, 2009
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Whereas I myself do not smoke pot, I have known enough people who partake in both pot and alcohol.  My personal view is that I have never seen or heard of anyone who is stoned, or smoking pot, to get in a violent rage, grab a gun and want to go shoot someone they know-an ex or the like. Nor do they speed down the highway, unaware of their excessive speed, nor are they disrespectful to an officer.  A person smoking/stoned, if they are driving, merely want to get tot he nearest Taco Bell or 7-11 to get some munchies, and get back home and chill out on the couch or what-not.  And if they are driving, it is usually slower than normal...have you ever heard of stats on pot-related deaths? Me either. Thats the safety aspect of this post.

 

The financial aspect is an easy one...if you legalize pot and tax it, we could yield huge amounts of funds to do some good in this nation.

 

In short, legalize it.

 

Signed,

Concerned Tax-payer, Parent and Citizen

April 20, 2009
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The USA is too conservative to anything that radical despite its obvious benefits to the economy and society.

April 20, 2009
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Common since would be that pot is legalized. Tax the bejesus out of it, keep the money from the cartels, talk about job growth. A THRIVING industry allready in place with millions and millions of customers. What the post above doesn't realize is that we are allready smoking pot. I've known doctors, teachers, professinals and many fields. I know that may  be shocking to hear, for some people that have been living in some compound, but 95% of the people I know smoke pot, welcome to the real world. Give us the pot and we'll give you the cash.

speaking of cashed, Ive got to go, happy 420.

dw   

April 20, 2009
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Yes.

April 20, 2009
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When should it be legal? Now.

 

April 20, 2009
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Atlantica,

 

No, you proved my point.  If it was legal and everyone COULD grow it without being criminalized, then there would be no money to be made.

 

Look.  I don't think it's a harmful drug at all as long as it's not laced with something.  I just don't think it'll ever be legalized by those facts alone.  Sure, there are some that are productive in life and use it as a "wind-down" after work, but the MAJORITY that do it daily, all day aren't.  Do you disagree?

April 20, 2009
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The government has been demonizing marijuana use for years now and paying billions of US tax dollars to fight the so-called "War on Drugs".  Yet, for all the billions spent they have yet to even put a dent in the amount of drugs on our streets.  Let's save our money, and create more by legalizing it and reaping the benefits of taxation. 

April 20, 2009
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THE USA is too conservative and too set-in-its-way to do anything this radical despite the obvious benefits to the economy and society in general.

April 20, 2009
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Send me a message on aol aim @ spiritualenergee

April 20, 2009
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How free is a "free" nation when one is committing a crime by possessing something that grows naturally on this planet.  Not to mention we made substances that will actually kill you legal but marijuana, which has significant medicinal applications is illegal.  Please, legalization nay sayers explain how that is remotely logical.  So instead of spending money on the futile war on drugs tax pot and gain revenue from it.  It's also very hypocritical to support alcohol and tobacco being legal but demand pot be illegal.  Pot is also lumped in with drugs that are way more serious then Pot.  So if you like hypocrisy maintain the status quo.  If maintaining the status quo is your thing then also realize you have been the victim of governmental brain washing !     

April 20, 2009
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Adriana, YOU need to to do some research before making statements that are patently untrue. The Federal government first attempted to criminalize the weed in 1937 and couldn't. There is a long story behind that, but it was not made illegal. It wasn't until the early 1970s that it was actually made illegal because the Feds decided to classify marijuana the same as cocaine and heroin  with no backup research, just propaganda, and by golly it is nowhere near anything like those drugs.If the weed were to be legalized,this country would be a lot greener today than it is. Numerous products from paper, which our Constitution is written on, to fuel for cars, and cloths for your back can be made from the weed. This just goes to show how today's society believe everything the liberal pundits say. Gateway drug? In my opinion alcohol and tobacco are far more gateway, and addictive, than marijuana AND far more dangerous. BTW I signed up to this service for one reason and one reason only. That was to help let people know that ignorant people like you should never be given the podium. DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST!!!!!  

April 20, 2009
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Not sure if anyone pointed out he real reason for making pot illegal.  It has nothing to do with tobacco.  It was made illegal (a tax violation actually at first before they made it a controlled substance...they levied a rediculous tax amount that no one would reasonably be ablet o pay.  It quashed the infant marijuana industry.) was to protect the cotton industry.  Cotton growers realized that hemp was a much more viable and useful product and it would totally annihilate the cotton industry.  It was about protecting business...nothing to do about health or welfare as one poster pointed out...there are plety of other products out there that were free to consume that are far more dangerous.

April 20, 2009
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Adriana research your history.  If you look back to the early 20th Century pot became criminalized as a racial weapon against blacks and Mexican immigrants. 

 

 

Legalize it. 

April 20, 2009
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RCG

Of Course it should be legalized, The Criminalization of Pot was all Hype, calling the gateway to other drugs. Alcohol is more like a Gateway to harder drugs.

 

In any case legalizing Pot would be a win, win, win, situation. It will free up our Judicial System, It will increase our Tax base and it would reduce violence from Drug Cartels and Gang Members once you take their product away. 

April 20, 2009
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I've never smoked pot.  No doubt, it will probably become legal someday -- which I very much oppose.  When it does become legal, people shouldn't be allowed to smoke it outside of their home.  Apartments and hotel rooms should also be off limits, as well as in automobiles.  I don't want to have to smell it in public places or while driving my car down the road.  Even the smell of it on people's clothes nauseates me.

April 20, 2009
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No. Absolutely not. People are just looking for excuses to get legally stoned. And contrary to what people think, people still drive while stoned, and most of the population doesn't give a crap about anyone but themselves so they'd be smoking it all over the place. Its already bad enough with cigarettes.

April 20, 2009
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Personally I think it should be legalized.  Many thought that Alcohol should be outlawed and for a time it was, then it wasnt.  While there are bad things going on that are alcohol related, the world didn't end as was predicted.

 

With marijuana, the effects are even less profound.  When high you don't lose control of your motor skills and depth perception as you do with alcohol and there are no adverse mood reactions as described in "refer madness" (Seriously, if you want to have a good laugh, watch that one, too damn funny).  Since everyone would have reported a bunch of rampaging stoners hacking up their neighborhoods, the next best propaganda is "its a gateway drug". 

 

Anytime you encounter propaganda, you need to find the underlying motive.  In 1936, when cannabis was outlawed,  it was the timber industry eliminating competition...(wood pulp is inferior to cannabis for making paper and other textiles).  Refer madness and other propaganda was released and it was outlawed.

 

I doubt the timber industry is the reason for that today, but I have a feeling that there are a group of someone's who's pockets are getting fat and don't want that money going away. 

 

Find out who's screaming the loudest and look to why they are.  Odds are the reason is simple.  Money.

 

Loh

April 20, 2009
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rev poopie you mean like everyone who smokes cigarettes grows there own tabacco!  Logic is a good thing!

April 20, 2009
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Take the power away from the cartels. Put the pressure on big med for quality alternatives. Welcome a windfall of new tax money at a time when it is needed most. Empty out our prisons and relieve that tax burden...

 

We need to enter a new day. Regulate the industry just like anything else. Everything in moderation. Everything, if abused, can be harmful including daily vitamins and water. A new day!

April 20, 2009
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It should be legal.  I grew up in an alcoholic household.  I was raised around drinkers and smokers.  I have also been exposed to the pot community and I know which is the better choice.  I know many poeple who live very successful lives, and have high paying jobs, and pay taxes.  They do not lay around and eat munchies all day.  They do not stay home from work because they are hung over or still drunk.  I would rather be with the pot smokers than the drunks any day of the week.

April 20, 2009
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Of course it should be legalized.  It's not even an argument anymore.  Pot is the most harmless intoxicant in the world.  It makes EVERYTHING better.  Music is better, food is better, movies are better, dumbass people are more interesting.  Here are a couple of points to bring up to your local weed basher.

 

Point 1. It's a gateway drug.  It will lead to other, more harmful drugs. 

 

Answer:  SO WHAT!  People smoke it now and if they want to use it to move on to other drugs then they already do it!!! It won't increase because it's legal.  That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

 

Point 2: More people will get high if it's legal.

 

Answer:  NO they won't!  Millions of people get high right now and it's illegal.  I will always smoke pot and I don't give a damn if it's legal or not.  Legalizing it just makes me not have to buy it from a stinkin' drug dealer.

 

Point 3:  More kids will want to do it if it's legal.

 

Answer:  Guess what, it is WAY easier for your kid to get a bag of weed than it is to get beer or cigarettes.  You know why?  Because drug dealers don't card!!  They don't care how old you are.  If it's legal then you will have to show an ID to get it.  LESS kids will be able to buy it not more.

 

Here's the lowdown.  It will never be legalized because America is on it's way out.  We are a washed up, crappy country who fights immoral wars and taxes the crap out of our citizens.  Corruption is rampant at all levels of government and we're only 5 or so years from being broken up into the "North American Union".  I for one can't wait.  America sucks anyway.  I wish I could give up my citizenship and move to Amsterdam where I could smoke weed and program web sites and not have to worry about some damn war or some damn religous idiot or politician interfering with my life.  Peace.

 

April 20, 2009
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Yes it should be legal. Control them and tax them just like tobacco and alcohol are controlled and taxed. People damage their health by smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol and they are legal.  I'll go a step further and say all "controlled substances" should be legal.  Treat them just like tobacco in the sense of there would be no advertising allowed for them.  Use the tax money to help out those who want to "kick the habit" and promote abstinence from these "controlled substances" among children and teens.  Have a legal age be either 18 or 21 just like alcohol and tobacco. I have no desire to indulge in any of them but if an adult wants to indulge and hurt their health they should be legally allowed to do so. It would free up our prisons of a lot of non-violent inmates and rid our nation of a lot of violent crime that comes from the illegal drug trade. 

April 20, 2009
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sean882 »

 

"No, it should not be legalized.  It is a drug, and a drug that is disgusting at that.  The smell spreads everywhere, and it absolutely reeks.  Besides, it impairs you.  I think a simpler, quicker, cheaper method to jail those who use it is in order."

 

 

HAHA ok well SEAN so cigarettes don't stink, have you ever left a smoking bar?  Your clothes are drenched with the smell of tobacco.  The smell of marijuana is actually not too bad, they even have a few colognes out that immitate the smell.  So if the "smell" is your argument for it to NOT be legal that's insane.  You also mentioned cheaper jailing for pot users.... soo let me get this straight you want people who use marijuana to be put in shantys and chained to a wall and piss in a bucket while murderers, robbers, and sex offenders get commodities us tax payers provide them, you are AN IDIOTTTT, this is what people against the legalization's arguments are coming to.  They're running out of comebacks and realizing that shit from 1900 isn't actually true.  STOP BELIEVING ALL THE PROPOGANDA AND LIES!!!!  When they made marijuana illegal, they started doing studies to prove the harms of marijuana (addiction, violence, medical problems related to it)  but found out it was not addictive, provided medical cures, and did not cause violence... they immediately ended any further research and never released the results.... they just made a film showing a kid smoke a J and beat his mother to death with a frying pan.... so Sean once you come up with a few better reasons and stop being a complete doushebag feel free to write on this wall.. until then do a little research and find a reason other than the "smell" for banning marijuana.. Your mother smells like a terd covered with burnt hair but they still let her wander the streets legally

April 20, 2009
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Empynester, I'd also like to see farting in public criminalized too......the gasses released from the body are more toxic than marijuana but I bet you fart in the supermarket isle just like the rest of us.

April 20, 2009
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The question is not safety or effects of Marijuana vs medications, alcohol, or other drugs, the question is one of dosage and abuse.  Though alcohol is often abused and has many negative social implications, it remains a traditional part of many cultures, and is often consumed for purposes other than getting drunk.  Medical marijuana should be legalised (see monika1975 comment) and small quantities should be legalized to include growing, but the attitude of the users must be one of casual use and moderation.  There will always be an elicit trade... we still have plenty of moonshiners making good money here in NC despite the wide availability of liquor.   

April 20, 2009
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That was not the reason it was criminalized....  It's absolutely absurd that people think that's why the plant is illegal.  Please, I encourage everybody to use their web browser and do some real research.

April 20, 2009
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Loudva2,

 

????  If you're referring to my comment about if everyone could grow weed legally, then there wouldn't be money to be made, then you must've not read the fact that weed can be grown basically anywhere; tobacco can't.

April 20, 2009
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It was also outlawed as a way to control the immigrant population from Latin American countries in the beginning of the 20 century.  Since Latinos where the predominant users at that time. Very racist motivations! 

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is not a good thing but I wouldn't condemn the legalization of it until Alcohol is illegal. We know that will never happen so we might as well face up to it.. People are doing it anyway. Take away the adventure of doing it illegally and it may just help people not try it at all.

April 20, 2009
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I believe the facts for marijuana should be more publicly know because most of the "facts" about marijuana that people know are the myths. http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml that website dispels a lot of the myths around marijuana. Also, this should be legalized because it just is absurd that a substance such as alcohol can be legal when something less harmful can be illegal. If anything, this will drive down use of marijuana by removing the forbidden fruit aspect of it. Remember our nations history, prohibition does not work.

April 20, 2009
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It's illegal!!!? Whoooa, dude! And here we are in 2003! BOGUS! What's the prob man? I've been toasting for years and there's nothing wrong with... oh, sorry, I was checking out my foot. You ever look at your toes? I mean really check them out?

 

Of course pot should be legal. It's an American icon. A pot leaf is probably pictured on more products than the American flag. There are songs about it, TV shows, food recipies, books and magazines on history, growing, or just narley pics of righteous buds. Everyone talks about it, in jest and sincerity. I'm not sure why so many people think this will reduce the Federal Deficit though. If it's legal to buy I doubt there will be any prohibition on growing it. Party on Garth.

April 20, 2009
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Rev,

 

I agree that any drug can be abused. There is no doubt about it. It has to do with the laws doing more harm than the drug itself. There are countless ways for the government to regulate the sale and distribution of marijuana. You could have to apply for a license to grow and pay taxes according to how many plants you produce, or pay taxes on seeds, etc. I'm sure the government could come up with an effective way, as they love their taxes. Savings on law enforcement, military (which we are apparently sending to Mexico to battle this unwinnable war), and other valuable resources could be saved as well.

 

But what is the difference between people who smoke all day and people who drink all day? This is rife with hypocrisy. You can come in to work too hungover to function and keep your job, but if you have smoked pot 3 weeks ago you can get a random drug test and lose your job. Anyone who thinks this is fair is just crazy.

 

But I am confused. You don't think it should be leagalized, or you don't think it will be legalized?

April 20, 2009
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I am not opposed to legalization, but to everyone with the "there's no such thing as angry/belligerent/dangerous stoners, I disagree. I've known people to become very irritable, paranoid and experience nasty anxiety attacks that are induced by smoking pot, to the point where they choose not to smoke anymore. It's not a wonder drug; everyone needs to still take a level of responsibility for using substances like this.

April 20, 2009
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I've smoked pot before and it makes me nothing but nervous and paranoid. Therefore, I smoke it no longer, but it should be legalized. The state and local governments still make a lot of money off alcohol DUI's and Pot DUI's, let alone DUI's for every other legal drug (xanax, valium, opiates, etc.). It wouldn't affect them, but, felonies would go down.

April 20, 2009
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Rev poopie then explain to me why where pot is legal they make lots of tax revenue from it sale.  IE Netherlands.  Also if tobacco was illegal it would be grown anywhere.  I think your being naive!

April 20, 2009
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Legalized it. I agree with JERRYHERB on LEGALIZING EVERYTHING. I've never seen a fight break out on Ecstasy or Pot. Google "MDMA (Ecstasy) for PTSD?" but the government doesn't want people knowing about the positives of these drugs.

 

Bottom line: it's nobody's business what I do in my home or if I'm in a club dancing my butt off. As long as I don't get behind the wheel of car, it's no ones business what I out in my body.

 

***LEGALIZED EVERYTHING***

April 20, 2009
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I have known many people that smoke pot. Most every one of them has thought process problems.  They are slow at coming up with solutions and cannot really connect to what is going on around them. Even when they are not under the influence.  I have also known many that have graduated to harder drugs.  Pot is a psychologically addictive drug. It separates you from reality by creating a different reality. Is it worse than alcohol? Is it worse than cocaine? No, but we need to look at each on its own. If something is illegal and we use the excuse that being illegal causes someone to have a record so we should legalize it? Is it right that alcohol is not illegal? Maybe not.  I'm against legalizing pot.

April 20, 2009
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I believe that marijuana should be legal. It can bring much needed revenue to the US economy. Treat is as we do alcohol must be 21 years of age to purchase,maybe no more than an ounce per every 30days.We use the taxes from the sale of alcohol and the casinos to help fund the public schools , why not this?? This drug is no more different than side effects patients have from Darvocet,Vicoden,Ms Contin. I have never heard f a citizen doing a hit and run under the influence of mary-jane, no one has ever commited a rape,robbery. Most of society just has the problem of citizens smoking weed.The United States goverment is Ok w/ the sales of

alcohol why not pot?? Some need to come off thier high horse. We are not a free nation w/ all this who can and cant get married,what a woman can do w/ her on body, etc. If a legal age person chooses to smoke -pot in thier own home what is the big deal?     

April 20, 2009
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Rev poopie.

Stoners arent gonna become farmers, not if we could walk into a hash bar plop down our CASH and get high. 

April 20, 2009
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There's a page on this on the debate wiki, Debatepedia... here's the link: http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:_Legalization_of_Marijuana

 

Some of these arguments can be added to it.

April 20, 2009
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my comment is that there are way more harmful drugs that ARE legal, like anti-depressants, and that are way more habit forming that marijuana could ever be. The purpose I feel to these pills are to help you get by what’s bothering you and there are all types of varieties of these pills. If we believe in medicinal purposes to these pills then I feel people should be way more open as to the medicinal purposes of marijuana. I say make it legal and see how this whole thing isn’t really a big deal.

April 20, 2009
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Yes it should be legalized...  The only reason pot is illegal is because William Randolf Hearst ran a smear campaign againdst Marijuana in the 1930"s to protect his interest's in the timber industry; because hemp was poised to replace wood as an inexpensive raw material for the manufacteror of paper...duh...

 

i'm so high right now

April 20, 2009
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Just reading these posts has reassured me that we are in fact the dumbest country in the world.  Most every one of them has thought process problems.  Oh my god.  I'm 41 years old and I've smoked pot since I was 14 (except for the 9 years I was in the Marine Corps).  I am a member of Mensa and I have ZERO thought process problems.  Smoking pot calms me down and allows me to suffer idiots like those who are posting against it here.

April 20, 2009
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Banderaflash,

I know i have a response if only i could formulate my thoughts.

rats.

yes. all drugs should be legalized. there wouldn't be border wars if drugs

weren't a crime.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Atlantica,

 

I don't think it will be legalized AND I don't think it should be legalized because of the readily availability of it EVERYWHERE.  I read a comment by someone on here that said he'd been all over and has never had a problem scoring a bag.  You can't regulate that.  What's to say someone's not lacing it with other stuff, and we all know that it is; that's why most smokers look for stronger stuff.

 

Alcoholics will eventually get caught; if you can show up to work drunk and not get fired, that buisness is eventually going to go out of buisness anyway.

 

If the only place you could grow marijuana would be in a small percentage of the U.S., then I would say legalize it.  That can be regulated and it could be kept at a safe level.  You can't properly tax something that I could grow in my backyard.  I like your thinking, however.

April 20, 2009
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If there is one complaint about stoners that holds water is that they can be lazy.  So using logical thinking one should surmise that pot heads would rather buy pot then cultivate it.  To agree with DAWatson!

April 20, 2009
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Not for public use. Medical use only. It's a semi creative mind altering depressant that also serves as a physically demotivating force. It may be great for an occasional artist, but it's not for everyone. The thought of legalizing it should never be brought to light. It was just used as an overbearing bandwagon cult vehicle decades ago to put money in dealers hands and drive people to the refrigerator or to sleep. It's a thing of the past that didn't serve any meaningful purpose for America's youth.

April 20, 2009
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Since it is so easy to grow, how are you going to tax it?  People are growing it now and it is not legal.  Are they going to stop growing it and start buying from the store once it is legal? Can we get rid of malpractice insurance as well?  How can we hold a doctor to a standard when he is stoned?  I guess we will be too busy laughing to sue anyway.  We could also save a lot of money because we would not need the military.  It is hard to fight a battle with the giggles and munchies.  Right after we legalize pot, we could also vote on what language we want to speak, and just invite that country to come in and take over.  How about electricity?  All the nuclear power plants will run much more efficiently with stoned operators at the controls.  I know, no one would ever show up stoned just because it is legal.  No one drives drunk either.

April 20, 2009
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I also wanted to add that you could use the same laws or something similar that are now in place for alcohol and tobacco when it comes to "where" you can do it for the "controlled substances" (drugs)that would now be made legal.  Meaning that as an adult you could legally indulge but it would have to be in a private setting (your home or a friends)or in a public setting that would be setup for that particular "indulgement".  Basically what I'm saying is that while I feel all drugs should be legal for adults to indulge in they can't be done just anywhere.

April 20, 2009
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Yes, it should be legal.  I believe the only reason it isn't legal is because they haven't figured out a way to tax it. 

April 20, 2009
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stephalopod »

 

I agree people do get paranoid but the paranoia usually comes from getting caught, because the punishment in most places for getting caught with a little bit are way to harsh.  Innocent people are going to jail for smoking a J on their time off or having a tiny bit on them.  I mean If I was a real worrier I would not smoke weed either with the outdated and uneducated laws our government has against marijuana

April 20, 2009
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How on Earth can the government keep cigarettes and alcohol legal and ban marijuana? Surely they see that weed is just a combination of the two. Not only that, let's take the money out of the hands of criminals and put it into the hands of A) Pot farmers and B) The government to place against our blossoming deficit. Yes, it needs restrictions on driving and being in public, just like alcohol does, but it's very hypocritical to have one and not the other. We don't even need to debate the new laws that much, the Netherlands have already provided an outline we can work off of.

April 20, 2009
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sthbdr Neither are the true gateway drugs alcohol and tobacco good for our youth.  Since I'm sure there is no way your a hypocrite I'm sure your in full support to ban those substances as well since they are truly bad for you!

April 20, 2009
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Why must be still have politicians living in the stone age?  I think it should be legal.  It is a guarenteed cash business and enough to pay off the national debt.  Alcohol accidents take more lives in a day than smoking pot.   Give us knowledgeable americans a little credit and get us out of the closet.  In a time when jobs and money is needed most.

April 20, 2009
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There are some potential issues that need to be resolved first. (One example below.) I'm more than sure there are others.

 

Accurate usage detection.

 

A method needs to be devised to scientifically/clinically measure if someone is actually "high".

 

The current method is to test for THC levels in the body and that can last 30 days more or less. So if you smoked 3 weeks ago and had an accident at work or in your vehicle you would still test positive, but of course there would be no way to prove that you were or were not actually "high" at the time. There needs to be a type of "breathalyzer" (one possible solution) to determine this.

 

This is a potental snag any opposition will bring up. As it stands now there would be no way to immediately identify if Marijuana may or may not have had influence in the event of an accident.

 

I'm a staunch supporter of legalization but how would we address this? If this is done it needs to be done right and instead of pipe dreaming, we, as legalization supporters need to come together and provide ideas for solutions or solutions themselves to make sure that those that are opposed haven't got a leg to stand on.

 

Am I wrong?

April 20, 2009
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today is a perfect day to have this discussion ( 4-20)

lol, we should make every 4-20 year a Pot Smoking holiday!

It's a green leaf , and I am a supporter of going green !!!

Yepeeee.......

                   Some people here need to lighten up and RELAX! If you had a smoke you wouldn't be so harsh , I guarantee it! I went to collage have a masters in medical science.... And my thoughts about legalizing marijuana are 100% !! No doubt !!! GO GREEN 4:20!!

 

he he !!

April 20, 2009
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Loudva2,

 

Who in their right mind (pun intended) would need a farm to cultivate marijuana for personal usage?

April 20, 2009
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Is there really an argument that we shouldn't legalize it because the general public is ignorant and doesn't need this scourge to make them dumber as well? Really? You do realize that marijuana can be found in any town, in any state in this entire country, and most other countries in the world? I've smoked marijuana with absolutely every walk of life there is. From prisoners to CEOs of multi-million dollar corporations, from police officers to surgeons, to politicians and stockbrokers, and guess what? They all carried on with their normal lives and didn't cause society any problems save one. They all were using the black market to get what they wanted.

 

Didn't California medical marijuana dispensaries pay over 11 million in taxes last year? If you really think about the number of dollars legalization would bring to the governmental coffers, it is staggering.

 

The problems that are caused by marijuana prohibition, far outweigh all of the reasons to keep it illegal.  How many people have to die before realize that. This is a no-brainer, and I can't beleive that there are still people out there that ignorant. Who is making money off it it's illegality? Who profits the way it is now and doesn't want it to change?

 

I don't get it. I want my country back. President Obama needs to quit tap dancing around this issue and take a serious leadership role. I want change, and I want to see more from the federal goverment that they are trying to make progress this issue. This is an issue that will affect us as a country for the rest of our history. Lets set thing right. Legalize it.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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In a nation which places great value on individual liberties, each citizen has the right and responsibility to decide for himself or herself whether or not to use alcohol or tobacco, eat red meat, practice birth control, and yes, smoke marijuana. 

 

We the people should not tolerate, let alone encourage, any government to make these decisions for us. Prohibition, this time of marijuana, has once again become a national boondoggle and an unwarranted infringement of personal liberty in a country which calls itself the Land of the Free. 

 

This is the fundamental reason why marijuana should be legalized, altogether aside from the economic arguments.  All Americans have a right to personal freedom, not just boozers and tobacco smokers!! 

April 20, 2009
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Food for thought - to the person above who claimed that cigarette companies were blocking the sale of marijuana due to loss in profit margins.

 

Have you ever seen Virginia Slims Capri cigarettes? Little tiny cigarettes that they debuted back in the 70s?

 

Guess what those were originally designed to hold?

 

Phillip Morris, et al, is more than ready to make the switch to weed if it comes to that. The problem is that it's still anathema to most of the red states in the Union.

 

As long as the consumption of cannabis is linked to groups like Mara Salvatrucha and other violent gangs, you'll never see it legalized in the United States. The regulation and control of that drug (and it is a drug; you intellectually dishonest "IT'S JUST A PLANT, MANNNN" hippies need to gtfo) employs too many people and supports too many families in this country to do away with it.

 

(In my personal opinion, the DEA should be retasked to controlling the drugs that can actually kill you, but that's just me.)

April 20, 2009
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I will fore-go the usual marijuana arguments and present what I see as a deeper argument involving basic human rights.

This issue is about our freedom to make personal decisions. Imagine living in a world where we simply had the freedom to make responsible decisions for ourselves.  In another country this has worked to lower the problems, but honestly being granted responsibility and freedom is priceless.  Let's be adults let's no longer be children.  Please stop making the decision to harmlessly explore the world around me a crime.  This country needs to stand up for freedom and personal responsibility and no longer incriminate kind, contributing members of society for their personal decisions.  Let us grow up.  Thanks for taking time to read this.

April 20, 2009
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How many people do you think are waiting for marijuana to be legalized to start smoking?  How many people that smoke now really care that it is not legal, except not to get caught?  How much money is being spent on enforcement?  How effective is that enforcement?  Is the enforcement endgame to reduce or end marijauna use,sale and trafficking? Whatever the enforcement goal is, It Is Not Working!!!  Maybe it is time to rethink things?

April 20, 2009
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If any pharmaceutical company was able to invent a single drug that helped cancer patients, glaucoma patients, asthma patients as well as patients who need to increase their appetites for any reason, they would run ad's at every chance they got to remind us how wonderful they are.  Unfortunately, nature beat them to it which is the real reason it's not legal. 

 

April 20, 2009
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you can brew alcohol very easily did people start brewing it in there houses at the end of prohibition no they went to bars.  The argument to keep it illegal cause you won't gain revenue is plain silly!  But even if it was a solid point by making pot legal we will no longer need to spend the millions and millions of dollars we presently spend on something that is futile.

April 20, 2009
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I got very paranoid the last time I smoked, and I was home, not going anywhere, no fear of getting caught. I couldn't wait to come down. It took about 4 hours. However, I am for legalizing it. It's no different than alcohol.

April 20, 2009
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As someone who is increasing in age, it becomes obvious as to what's going on in America. Big business and politics rule. I say, legalize marijuana and put the drug dealers out of business and stop the violence. However from the bureaucratic standpoint, there would be a decreasing number of DUI's,which would mean less revenues for the local governments in fines and fees. There would be a decreasing number of alcohol and tobacco related illnesses and deaths, meaning less revenues for the medical and pharmaceutical communities. Cigarettes sales would hopefully decline, meaning less tax revenue but, the legalization of marijuana would counter that with tax potential. The positives out weigh the negatives. Etc, etc.......A kid could figure it out!

April 20, 2009
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yes legalize it tax it..... for those who claim that you can not tax all of it well think of it as produce. All of us can grow produce in our backyard but how many of us do. Same concept. We should all have the choice to take whatever we want. If we make a bad decision guess what it was our decision to make. If you want to stop the gangs and cartels take away what they need. Supply and Demand. If there is no demand then they have no reason to operate. Take away the money they can make on it and they have no reason to kill people or even exist.

April 20, 2009
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Stephalpod,

 

Werre those attacks caused by pot or were they caused by underlying mental issues?  When I was younger I smoked a lot.  I never expereinced this with myself or other people around me, who were also heavy users.  Much of the hype agaisnt pot is muddled in mistatements based on factors that have nothing to do with pot.  I would be willing to bet that if you took that person who had the anxiety attacks and paranoia were probably like that before they started smoking or they were doing other drugs, like cocaine, that actually do cause symptoms like that.  There hasn't been a study done by the government or used by the governement that took that into account.  All I have seen is halftruths and outright lies.

 

One other thing...to the poster that said that it was directed agaisnt the hispanics...some of this was actually directred agaisnt blacks, not hispanics.  Actual statements made by the FBI and other law enforcement agancies at the time confirm this.

April 20, 2009
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Firstly, tobacco companies already have land set aside in case this does pass. Secondly, in response to letting us open the doors to terrorists, the word "assassin" comes from "hashishin", one who smokes hashish. And shamrock6, I couldn't agree with you more. Of course it should be legalized.

April 20, 2009
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There is too much money to be made by not legalizing marijuana. After all it was the threat of the hemp industry to the chemical companies that got marijuana outlawed in the first place. Think about all the good that Al Capone did while he sold illegal booze. Other than the violence, he made many a politician wealthy.

April 20, 2009
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They call it weed Rev, but to be able to grow quality pot takes months and months, careful temp lighting, water, differing the males from the females etc. etc. True it can be grown wild but it would be like brewing you beer in the toilet.

April 20, 2009
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hoofleau » 

 

You can get a DUI from smoking pot as easily as one from getting drunk. Just as easy as getting one from any controlled substance whether a doctor prescribes it to you or not.

April 20, 2009
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Rev

 

Marijuana's illegality keeps the prices inflated dramatically. The profits have to pay for all of the cartels assets (ie. weapons, smugglers, transporting, bribing officals, etc.). If regulated, the price would most likely drop dramatically to where it wouldn't be worth it to buy from bootleggers or even grow. You can't bring your own alcohol to most restaurants, so why would you bring your own pot to a cannabis coffee shop? If you go with the whole "lethargic" aspect of your argument, how would your thought process lead to cannabis consumers growing their own? Aren't they lazy, inept criminals? How could they possibly understand botany if they can't even get off the couch? Sorry to be sarcastic, just making a point.

 

If you voted for Obama, then you should probably trust that he could find a way to make this a safe and profitable industry. I'm not saying at all that he's for it, because so far he has made it pretty clear that he's not. But we remain hopeful that he knows what is right and will address the issue when the time comes.

April 20, 2009
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i don't think it should be legal, what about 2nd hand smoke or 3rd hand smoke, where exactly would it be legal to smoke it...right on the street where i'm walking with my infant? so it's ok to get my infant high off your marijauna fumes? what are you people thinking, you can't even smoke a ciggarette in public (barely) and you think the government is going to legalize smoking pot...give me a break, and no one sees anything wrong with this...i can't even believe everyone on here thinks it's ok..just because they say it is non-addictive and that it doesn't harm anyone, i've known alot of potheads in my day and i have to say that something is missing in each one of those people...they don't strive for anything except getting high...

April 20, 2009
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In reply to 26Patrols.  The same principles and laws would be in effect for marijuana that are now in place for tobacco and alcohol if it were legalized.  It is not a "free for all" if it is made legal just like it is not a "free for all" for tobacco and alcohol use. Marijuana growers would sell their product through the legal channels just like tobacco farmers do.  It would be more of a pain to do otherwise because they would risk getting fined.  Also the other things you mention don't make any sense.  If I come to work drunk now I would probably get fired.  If somebody comes to work "stoned" after marijuana is made legal they would probably get fired.  If you indulge in alcohol to the point you can't perform your job you will lose it.  The same principle hold true for marijuana use after it is made legal. 

April 20, 2009
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Rev Poopie, 

 

That's the whole point!  If one can go to a "coffee bar and buy pot at a reasonable cost they would do that way before growing it or cultivating it!  Get a grip!

April 20, 2009
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Well, lets see here...Lets take a look at some of the facts...Deaths in the United States contributed to alcohol going back to when  prohibition was repealed all the way up to the year end 2008: 45,745,000. Deaths contributed to marijuana on a global basis during the same time:  NONE.

 

Hummmmmmm.....Why is alcohol still legal anyway?

April 20, 2009
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Firstly...let's differentiate the misguided idea that Hemp has a THC component.  If you smoke hemp you will get a huge headache and no euphoric affects.  Although the Cotton lobby and Lumber lobby are strong, they don't have the same allies as they did in the 30's with William Randolph Hearst and J. Edgar Hoover (please read the history of the illegalization of the drug). Hemp is a cash crop that provides fabric, biofuels, and numerous other useful products (in fact there was a time when it was ILLEGAL for farmer's not to grow some hemp as part of the war effort.

As far as the war on drugs goes, we have lost, as we see Mexico become a rogue state.  The beneficial effects of marijuana have been proven.  13 States have decriminalized the drug, and charge sales tax on it.  This has brought in near a billion dollars to California's economy.  In the interim the jails are filled with non-violent drug offenders.  In one fell swoop President Obama can resume what could be our number one cash crop (Hemp) and eliminate the black market trade for something many people grow in gardens already.  I feel positive explanations are better than arguing oft-repeated "gateway drug" issues.  I don't drink....I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't even drink caffeine. I am a resident of the State of California.  I would like to see marijuana be a legal drug dispensed to ADULTS ONLY!  If that doesn't occur then I beg our president to at least legalize hemp production.  It may be our "magic bullet" to stimulate our agrarian economy.

April 20, 2009
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good point !!! STARCRUISER!!!

April 20, 2009
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I am not for legalizing cannabis but decriminalization of the drug and regulating the drug.  Under regulation Federal and States can control the potency level of THC just like they do with 3% Beer, 5%beer, 20 proof liquor,80 proof liquor. Regulating Cannabis will cut down on prosecuting individuals who obey all laws except they like to get high once in a while.  Not only will this cut down on over crowding but it will have several positive effects.

 

1. Tax revenue can be earmarked for drug treament and health care related costs

2.  Save money on procecuting

3. Save money on jailing

4. Have Police focus on rapes, murders and the like and not on the college kid who just bought a sack of weed.  So you free up the police to focus on real crimes against other people.

5. It would help to stem the violence between gangs.  Just like Alcohol back in the Capone days.  People who purchase Cannabis can do so from a real place instead of that money going to feed drug cartels and street violence.

 

I could go on and on and on but you get the point.

 

To all those who say it is a gateway drug! I say this.  "Everyone who smoked Cannabis started off on breast milk.  There for we should ban breast milk".  It's the same argument and to me it makes no sense.

April 20, 2009
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Let the record show the only person against legalization is named "Reverend Poopie."  Thanks for predicting that everyone would forget to vote, for you are the almighty poop reverend who sees all. lay off the alcholol and grow up, let the adults talk.

April 20, 2009
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atlantica,

 

And, actually the rest...  As atlantica put it, I assume the inflated prices for marijuana are based upon the fixed costs, such as weaponry, smuggling, and all the buy-offs...  now, based upon just common sense and the tobacco industry, I pose this question:

 

Would those out there that are for legalization be okay paying $50 for the equivalant of a dime bag?  (Remember the cost of a pack of cigs now?  And they've paid OUT billions)

April 20, 2009
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Contradictions

Legal drugs are those that can simulate the same effect as marijuana but have been endorsed by the pharmaceutical industry.

It is illegal to immigrate to the United States without proper visa credentials unless you fall in to one of three categories; CANADIAN, MEXICAN, CUBAN.

It is the contention of the U.S. Government to entertain a zero tolerance drug protocol against its citizenry and employee’s.  The result is huge fines and criminal history that follows and most likely hinders applicants for jobs and discontinues government service.

However, if you are a criminal alien and have committed a crime involving moral turpitude or have used or have been cited for drugs in your past.  You can still qualify for inadmissibility waivers to enter the U.S. work and attain residency status. 

If you are a U.S. Citizen and have been busted at the border for drugs the district attorney will prosecute and or issue penalty.  If you are a foreign national they will MOST likely not prosecute nor will you serve jail time. 

If you are an Olympic Swimmer and have your photo taken with a joint you are a criminal unprecedented athlete that has now lost his endorsement deals for fear of having angry parents censure you for having a marijuana user on your kid’s cereal box.  Then without skipping a beat on your kids Saturday cartoons a commercial for beer or an idiot running through the fields of Elysium for next great pharmaceutical feel good drug that’s not only addictive but causes sexual side effects, vomiting, diarrhea, and death.

American Inc. what a contradiction.

 

April 20, 2009
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Yes It should be legal.Many people can benefit from pot use for medical reasons and getting a licience is difficult.Why should anyone even have a criminal record for using pot? It`s because the criminal justice system,cotton,paper,alcohol,cigarette industries make alot of money keeping things the way they are. The people who are against it are sadly misinformed and this won`t change untill our leaders take as tough a stand for decriminalization as those who are against legalization. Zero tolerance has been the scourge of our society today just as prohibition was against booze.The law desperately needs to be changed with respect to marijuana use.Honest debate must start now in congress for change.

April 20, 2009
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April 20, 2009
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Amen to all!  The "drug wars" are a ridiculous way to spend money for the USofA.  Legalization of marijuana would bring revenues INTO the US tresury, and avoid MILLIONS of money spent trying to eradicate the use of marijuana.  It seems to be a no brainer.  Go after the cocaine, heroin, etc. sellers.  In many cases, sellers are the first way to get involved, as their "free samples" of other, damaging drugs can hook people into true addictions with drugs that kill. 

 

Our government is so hidebound by the shrill shrieks of the minor bureaucrats in the FDA that good sense, and in fact, any sense at all can be made of their objections.

 

Legalization has many more benefits that drawbacks.  Obama should wake up to that fact.  Do a national referendum, and see what we, the people, have to say!

April 20, 2009
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kinbev69  pot is not a carcinogen!  People don't die from smoking pot!  But since I understand it offends people for there own ignorant reasons, to start, treat it like alcohol no open containers or drunk in public.  ie don't use in public.  Wouldn't want people to get a 2nd hand high and actually chill for a second.  Those of you against legalization are the ones who should be using it the most! 

April 20, 2009
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Where have you been Rev.? I pay roughly $125 for a quarter of the good.

April 20, 2009
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Oh, sorry, I missed Kimbev69's comments.  No that is hilarious.  Yes, if legalized, you wont be able to walk anywhere without breathing in THC.  It'll be like the same thing that happens when I walk my 2 year old, we cant go anywhere without drunks spilling alcohol into our mouths and now my son is alwyas drunk.  So frusterating.  They should make it illegal to drink anywhere you want, like public places.  Oh, wait....

April 20, 2009
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philtyrich,

 

You are SADLY confused...  whoever said I was against the legalization of it?  Please read all my comments...

April 20, 2009
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legalize it.

In reply to kzimm63 If someones goes to work stoned I see no reason in why they would get fired I've been going to work stoned for two years and i have never been fired mate.

April 20, 2009
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I am sick and tired of hearing of this age old debate. The only people that want legalized MJ are the people that have something to gain from it. As a person who has never touched MJ and will never use it, what benefit does it bring me? That's right, nothing. As a 19 year old freshman in college, I have to put up with pot heads everyday. It has absolutely ruined my college experience. If MJ becomes legalized, I'll probably move out of this country because I don't want to have to put up with stoned people everywhere I go.

 

And please don't tell me that taxing it will bring us any good. It won't. There would be millions of people growing it themselves and distributing it without the government ever knowing. You think drug wars are bad now, just wait. It will get worse. Plus, the drug cartels of Mexico will own the US by the way the cheaply grow and distribute the drug. 

 

Let us think of the United States of America and not just a minority group. It will bring greater detriment to the Nation.  Keep it illegal!

April 20, 2009

Yeah I think that Pres. Obama unfortunately, has to play politics with this one. Being in the kind of political climate that we exist in now, he can't possibly come out on the side of marijuana too early and risk some political backlash from the right-wing. He definitely has to make sure that its safe to weigh in on the issue on one side or the other. Especially, since he has unbecoming pictures out there already and has previously admitted to fiddling around with the reefa a tad. Gonna be a pleasure to watch piblic opinion at work.

 

My question is how can it be okay for, let's say, gay folks to get married and other Americans cant smoke what they want? Totally a hypocritical situation. Where's the freedom and liberty that our founding fathers made the bedrock of this nation. "Gone with the Wind."

April 20, 2009
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" whoever said I was against the legalization of it" You did actually " I don't think it should be legalized because of the readily availability of it EVERYWHERE."  Yeah, im the confused one.

April 20, 2009
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Dwatson...  I assume that's depending on your geographical position from warmer climates...  LOL

 

Good stuff!

April 20, 2009
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MARIJUANA IS MEDICINE

April 20, 2009
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I don't mean too sound rude rev, but it is infurating, we don't want our money going to scumbag drug dealer, we(Americans) want our kids safe, our borders protected, and all the other concerns of our modern life. We are going to smoke pot, so why not cash in on it?

dw

April 20, 2009
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philtyrich,

 

I think it should be legalized if it could be PROPERLY regulated...  dude, you remind me of Fox News with your soundbytes...

April 20, 2009
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Rev

 

The government would have to make it worth it for people to but it. They're not stupid enough to inflate the price more than it is now. Look at Amsterdam. It's not completely legal, but the coffeeshops do pay legitimate taxes and offer product at a reasonable price. They have to, or people won't buy it. It's called a competitive market, and marijuana companies will have to compensate for the taxes.

 

50 dollars for a dime bag is a pretty out of control claim. Cultivating marijuana would be the same as cultivating premium tobacco, which would put a pack of joints around the same price. Even if you paid 20 dollars for a pack of marijuana cigarettes, considering each cigarette had .5 grams, you would be saving 80 dollars on the amount of the criminal's illegal pricing. Rough math, but I think that's right.

 

Weed for thought.

April 20, 2009
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I believe the question should be, "Why is Marijuana Illegal?" or maybe better yet "Why does Marijuana remain illegal?" Once these questions are answered honestly by our government, there is no way it could ever be illegal.  We know that Cannabis should be legal. It is here for us to use, given to us like a gift. It should not be denied to any man or woman on the basis of lies and propaganda. Only after the Government can own up to their lies, will we have freedom.

April 20, 2009
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Keep up the live debate!  I'll earmark this and read on the comments tonight!

April 20, 2009
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The true crime is that people lives are being ruined by Stalinist penalties on pot offenses.  Happy 420 to all! I'm out

April 20, 2009
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South Texas Rev. There are two types of weed, dirt and the good. Dirt weed comes from Mexico, compressed and full of seeds and stems and sometimes with newspaper or burlap from the crossing. GGood is certain types of strains that are bred for there effects, different types of highs, bright vibrant, delcious.

dw

April 20, 2009
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I've not heard any argument strong enough to keep it illegal. It is not the governments business.  In the end of the day, most people have tried pot and millions continue to smoke it.  Why are we making millions of people into political prisoners?   I don't really smoke it much anymore by choice.  Yeah, it makes some lazy and causes some to have a crappy attitude.  I get that.  However, making it illegal has never prevented anyone from trying it or smoking it.  Pot dealers doesn't ask for for an ID.  When I was a kid, it was easier to get than beer.  Gateway drug analogy is crap.  You can say that beer is a gateway drug too. I bet most kids who smoked weed drank a beer first. Get over it, lets legalize it.  Its the same right wing wack jobs that are against everything anyways that keep it illegal.

April 20, 2009
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loudva2 True that..happy 420 to all aswell.

 

April 20, 2009
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Our pot smokin' Pres will make everything right!!!! Rock on Obama!!!!! Balance that budget......

April 20, 2009
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YES to legalize. You people who are living in a fantasy world let me clue you in. There are users of this drug everywhere! Nuclear Power plant operators, air traffic controllers, lawyers, judges, cops, teachers , preachers and the list goes on. (and thats just the ones I know about.) As with alcohol, if you are responsible you don't do it at work. Unless you have experienced the drug you really should not make a comment concerning the drug.

April 20, 2009
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Going by my personal experience with people that I knew were longtime potheads, legallizing pot seems like a bad idea. People that I've known who have smoked pot for longer than a year or two usually seem less logical, and they perceive the world less realistically relative to comparable individuals that do not.  For example, two identical twins that are both computer scientists, one smoking pot once a day, and the other not.  However, I realize this could be in part due to smart potheads keeping their mouths shut, more logical thinking individuals having an innate tendancy to avoid mind altering drugs, or other complex factors.

 

This has actually piqued my interest as to whether or not longterm studies have been done or not in regards to marijuana smoking.  If not, I'm sure they could find volunteers for such a study since a huge chunk of the population smokes pot.  From my own experiences it seems like at least 60% of the U.S. population has smoked pot at least once.

 

Also, if they were to legalize it, then the extra healthcare costs of treating any lung cancer patients that result because of pot smoking should be burdened on pot smokers only.  The same should be done for all cigarette smokers and alcohol drinkers through a tax on said products if healthcare is nationalized. I shouldn't have to pay exhoribant healthcare premiums because other people enjoy intentionally exposing themselves to toxins and carcinogens that are easily avoidable.

April 20, 2009
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Drink Responsibility. Smoke Responsibly.

April 20, 2009
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dawatson that's not true..im actually from mcallen texas and most of the good hydro and just plain old shwagg comes fromes mexico btw.

April 20, 2009

I hereby call the following trademarks:

 

BubbleBerry Slims

Skunkweed 100s

Mezmarizers

 

I'm a tea party kinda guy - definitely lean to the right and I totally think it makes sense to legalize marijuana.  It just makes sense. 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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There are far more harmful, addictive, carcinogenic substances in processed foods like Oreos.

 

If we're gonna keep marijuana illegal because it's supposedly harmful, then we must ban most cosmetic products, McDonald's, processed food, certain plastic products, etc etc.

 

My point is, all the above mentioned items are more likely to kill a person than smoking a doobey every day.

April 20, 2009
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Alcohol abuse is a much more serious problem that marijuana.  It leads to domestic violence, fetal alcohol syndrome and a host of other health problems.  However, alcohol is not only legal, but glorified in print and television advertisements.  I believe marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated by the government to insure its safety and purity.  We can raise revenue, stop going after small time dealers/users and concentrate our efforts on real criminals and protecting our country from terrorism.

April 20, 2009
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And a Happy 420 day to all of you!!!

April 20, 2009
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It's funny when the largest MSM outlet acknowleges 420. We must be getting somewhere. Keep it up, and happy holidays!

April 20, 2009
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The time is way past due.  Quit wasting time, money, manpower, and energy on a useless pursiut.  People are smoking more each day and week and month and year.  How dumb are our beruacrats to think they are going to stop it.  I know people who are department heads, Coporate Big Wigs, Bankers etc. who have been smoking for years.  It is time to take the DEA and the local police and give them a real job that actually contributes to the betterment of society rather than the detriment to society.  Innocent people getting police records for no reason.  Police taking the Pot and smoking it themselves.  Give me a break already.   America will be a much safer place and a more productive place if Mother Nature were legal.  Legalize it now.  Alcohol is five times more of a problem than Mother Nature will ever be.  I see many drunk drivers involved in horendous accidents killing four or five people but I don't see any pot heads being involved in these types of accidents, wake up America.  Legalize pot now.

April 20, 2009
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RevPoopie »

 

Atlantica,

 

No, you proved my point.  If it was legal and everyone COULD grow it without being criminalized, then there would be no money to be made.

_______________________________________________________

 

Actually the ease of which beer is made disproves your point about him proving your point.  Everyone who drinks beer "could" make beer, but they don't.  It's a simple fact, when something is readily available, some will do it themselves, while the majority will buy it. 

 

I find it funny as hell that the ones against it, are proving again and again that most of the reasoning behind the anti stance is inaccurate, misleading, or outright stupid.  I've yet to hear someone say "ive tried it and it made me want to kill my parents", or "my brother was hooked on it and tried to kill our parents".

 

So far all I've heard is "it smells bad" and "they say this and that, so it must all be true", now this.

 

Here's a novel idea, how about, before anyone repeats something they've heard verbatim, that they spend 10 - 20 minutes on Google and actually see if what they've been told is even right.

 

Suspect that repeating bullshit is easier and it will continue, but hey, worth a shot.

April 20, 2009
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THE REAL REASON MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL 

 

Most people think that it was for the health and well being of the American people. People who think that are incorrect. Marijuana is illegal because of the greed of two juiced business men, and the need of a man to keep the power that he tasted first during alcohols prohibition.

Hemp was to be the new billion dollar crop ( a billion dollars in 1936). Hemp had been grown for years, but with the old processes for processing hemp was too expensive to compete with other fiber sources as much of the plant was wasted.  New technology was being introduced that was going to make hemp “the choice crop” it would be competitive and abundant. The artical also stated that it could also be used for 25000 uses in 1936 how many now I wonder? It can save petroleum in use for ropes and fiber trees for paper and some wood products.

 

In the 1930’s Marijuana was not used as a word in the American vocabulary, but they knew that the American people would not believe Hemp madness so they used the “Mexican” word for it playing on the racism at the time. People thought that this was a terrible new drug. The American public did not know that Hemp and Marijuana came from plant species cannabis, but Anslinger, DuPont, and Hearst did.  They also knew that they could not get hemp banned outright, but by getting marijuana banned that could accomplish their plans. This is why the law lists cannabis not marijuana or the specific variety of cannabis.  Why would William Randolph Hearst or the DuPont corporation care about Hemp or marijuana. William Randolph Hearst was and newspaper man on the surface but most of the corporation’s money came from mining and forestry and a lot of his forestry money came from pulp for paper. DuPont corporation also had greed on their mind in 1935 they introduced nylon and in 1937 they introduced a new chemical method to bleach wood pulp for paper. They both knew that hemp was about to be much more abundant than wood it produced better fibers and was much more renewable than trees which take 20 or 30 years to replace.

They knew that they could never get Hemp banned so they sought the help of their mutual friend none other than Harry J Anslinger then director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. This was of mutual benefit to him because after the 1933 end of prohibition he needed a reason to be important again the bureau was also loosing funding more every year. So why not a new prohibition this would be beneficial to all parties. Reefer madness the propaganda war on cannabis was born. Did any of you ever smoke a joint then have the sudden overwhelming urge to kill your whole family with an axe. They actually made a video depicting this vary thing.  I will admit to only having the overwhelming urge to killing a whole bag of cheetos after smoking a good joint.

They also played on Americas disgusting racism that was rampant in the 1930’s and beyond.  This is part of Harry J Anslingers 1937  testimony to congress “Marijuana is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind” He also said that “most marijuana smokers are Negros, Hispanics, Filipino and entertainers and that satanic Jazz and Swing music was a result of marijuana usage.  This marijuana usage causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negros” they told the American Medical Association 2 days before the scheduled vote so they had no facts ready. They then told congress that the AMA was in agreement with them.

Anslinger was in conflict with himself almost as often as he was in conflict with common since. For example he said to congress that it was the most violence causing drug known to mankind he then said in a speech that it sapped the will to fight and opened the user up to communistic suggestions. Well which is it Harry?

Something that I have always thought was strange is why they were listening to Harry J Anslinger who was not an expert on marijuana usage or the health effects. In fact why do Americans listen to law enforcement officers today they are not doctors they are not psychologists they are not people suffering with pain and illness. They just represent an INDUSTRY that receives billions of dollars to enforce the cannabis prohibition so what else would they say.

The American people need to scream at the top of their lungs that they want this stopped.  It is a law based on bull chit founded in racism and fear and we need to legalize all cannabis. Stop putting good people in jail and breaking up families. This would stop violent people from ruining our forests and violent gangs trafficking this stuff across the border. This would also take it out of the hands of children.

The money saved on law enforcement alone would be tremendous and if cannabis marijuana and Hemp were taxed we would be able to pay down our tremendous debt. It is time for that hypocrite NOBAMA to free the weed. Right now it seems to me that the only crime of marijuana is getting caught.

Also think how we could help global warming and protect our forrests.

April 20, 2009
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The notion that legalizing marijuana would kill big tobacco is crazy. People smoke cigarettes because they're addictive. Also the notion that we would have to import the marijuana from Mexico because "pot heads want the best" is ridiculous. The best marijuana is grown right here in the US. Greenhouse farms would boom. I know I would have a job I'd love. If your buying garbage brown seed ridden pot chances are that money is going to a cartel or an anti-US organization. If we were to legalize it nation wide even just for medical purposes the government needs to perfect the system. In Ontario grow spaces are regulated and inspected by the government to ensure safety. Too many grow spaces in California burn not to mention the growers and suppliers that are getting robbed.

April 20, 2009
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Im in SA, and the hydro houses here are off the charts. im sure that I have smoked some good from ol Mexico, but for me and my buddys alot of what we get is local grown

 

April 20, 2009
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Yes, i agree 100% cannabis should be legal. The economic value would be incredible, not just will smoked cannabis but with industrial hemp.

 

"In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death."

 

"Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care."

 

--- Both quotes from DEA LAW JUDGE Francis Young.

April 20, 2009
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Alcohol abuse is only a more serious problem because of the idiots that do not have any type of self control what so ever.  And if we legalize pot, how is that going to enhance self control?

April 20, 2009
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Legalize pot asap. I see no pot drivers running into other cars or people and killing them like I do drinking drivers. Lets profit by taxing legal pot. We can no longer afford to imprison people for possession of pot. It is safer than coffee and no more addictive.

April 20, 2009
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Abraham Lincoln thought that "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

 

According to Popular Mechanics, February 1938, Marijuana was going to be the "New billion-dollar crop" because of the invention of the hemp gin to process the plant.

 

The revenue that the sale of smokable marijuana and other products made from marijuana would absolutely save the American economy which would extend to saving the global economy.

 

Until its prohibition hemp was the standard fiber of the world.  It was used to make over 5000 products worldwide ranging from rope, sails, linens, dynamite, cellophane, and the list goes on.

 

All the paper used in our country could come from hemp.  We would no longer finance the eradication of the worlds rain forests.

 

It can be grown easily in all 50 states.  It has a short growth cycle, so it answers the crop rotation problem.  Due to the bushiness of the plant, weeds have a very hard time growing along with it.  If planted in between crops, the long and deep penetrating roots actually prepare the soil for the next crop to be planted (in other words it plows the field in advance).  In fact, farmers found that land that had been once considered barren due to over farming would be reclaimed to farming use after just two cycles of marijuana had been planted.

 

Three to six tons of hemp (not just smokable, the entire plant is useful for many reasons) can be harvested from one acre of farm land.

 

The list of items that can be made from hemp is too long for this blog.  Search "hemp uses" to get an idea.

 

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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A quick note I was sending the President;

 

 

Great job so far Mr. President.  NOBODY  likes  to  clean  up  other  people's messes and you've been stuck with the worst imaginable.  My question:

 

For  my  Glaucoma  I  have  smoked  pot for over 35 years.  I do very high end computer work and have achieved many professional accolades.  I  am  no  dummy

and  controlling  my  problem in a not always unpleasurable way has worked for me, but I'm no advocate - usually.  Why is  it  so  far-fetched  to  consider

national  legalization  for a trial period perhaps - 1 year.  Put a department to work keeping track of the details and see what  happens?   I  predict  very

little  will  change.  Those that smoke will smoke and those that don't won't.  Drinkers are no different though I am not one.

 

The border violence mostly stems from drug users in the USA, right?  The  hard drugs  that  SHOULD  be  pursued  and  stopped  are mixed in with pot.  Remove marijuana from the list and  you  have  much   better   leverage,  focus and available manpower  to  deal  with  that  part  of  the  drug list that really needs the attention.

 

There are a hundred scenarios one hears certainly  would  occur  if  pot  were legal.   I've heard 101 arguments against these speculations.  Nobody knows is

the correct answer I believe.  One would have to actually find out but I think increasing the fines and punishments for truly hard drugs and  legalizing  pot

would   accomplish  incredible  things.  Let intelligent people BE intelligent once again. When did it become "hip" to be stupid?  I missed that, thank God.

 

The prevailing attitude seems to be "why bother".  I hate that.  A stand should be taken by the mass media.  Take this to the people and act or "just do it" and get that ball rolling.

 

Eddie Currents

 

April 20, 2009
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Solid sphere you really need to read the study on pot smoking by the new england journal of medicine. The study proved that there aren't any lasting effects from pot smoking.  My guess is that your friends issues come from somewhere else like hanging out with people that have no idea what they are talking about. 

April 20, 2009
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I've never enjoyed pot. But then it was usually because I was too drunk. Prohibitions have never worked. Our "war on drugs" was a miserable failure. Our thirst for drugs, marijuana, principally, is undergirding the Mexican economy. We are the largest consumer of drugs on the planet. For us to make alcohol legal and ban drugs of any kind, let alone marijuana, reflects a nation built on denial and dishonesty. We will take every opportunity to tax people addicted to nicotine, and yet ban marijuana. It just doesn't make any sense any more. Let's drop these ridiculous puritanical views and realize what we are: A country that spends untold amounts of money on all sorts of addictive and mind altering substances, legal and illegal.

 

This is not about what is right or wrong, or moral stances taken. It is simply about being honest with ourselves and others.

 

April 20, 2009
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SolidSphere your all over the place here... were you high when you wrote that?

April 20, 2009
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YES.

April 20, 2009
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Yea most of the dro we get down here is from sa/houston/austin and it's all pretty kill..id love to live just a little more north..I've seen the best shwagg come from mexico thoo no doubt about that.

I would love to get my hands on that super grand daddy purp or sourdiesal.

April 20, 2009
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Sure it should be legal, but don't expect it to help the economy. Just grow it in your backyard for yourself.

April 20, 2009
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The US should legalize hemp for industrial and recreational uses. The potential positive impacts far outweigh the negative ones, in my opinion.

 

Please put me down as +1 for legalization.

April 20, 2009
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mybe ive said to much,...... bunch of narcotic agents:)

April 20, 2009
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RevPoopie,

   I smoke pot almost every day since college (12 years now) and somehoe got a 3.5 at a Top 10 engineering schools (Electrical Eng). Earn 80K+ at my job, work 50+ hrs a week. On top of that i produce music, blow glass and build furniture and travel 3-5 times a year around the globe just for the heck of it. Lethargic enough for you? If it was not for the pot, I'd probably end it at "50+ hours a week" part.

April 20, 2009
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@solidsphere-- you say alcohol, cigarette, and pot users should be taxed differently if healthcare is nationalized.

 

guess what? i think that fat people who decide to eat donuts and mcdonalds every day should be taxed differently as well. after all, HEART DISEASE is the number one killer in this country-- cancer of all kinds relating to alcohol and cigarettes don't even come to a close second.

 

and fyi, there have been many studies that showed pot smoking doesnt cause any significant increase for lung cancer.

 

why don't we take it a step further, shall we? i come from a very healthy blood line and i'm not genetically predisposed to many illnesses. you might be an epileptic diabetic who decides to procreate with a 50 year old woman. knowing that the pregnancy is risky, you go right ahead and then you have an epileptic, mentally retarded baby. if health care is nationalized, why should we all have to pay extra for the risks YOU decided to take?

 

go ahead and open up that can if you dare.

April 20, 2009
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OK. I am all for legalization. I have heard all the same logical arguments since the late 60's. I was a member of NORML back in 1974ish. What has changed that would make anybody think that our government would suddenly switch direction and legalize? This is still a capitalistic country run by big business. I may be (hope I am)wrong but I doubt I will see legalization in my lifetime....just my opinion...

April 20, 2009
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The debate is over hemp, not marijuana, and as long as CNN and the other mass media concerns frame it in terms of marijuana the prohibition will continue, which is what they really want.  The only way we're going to beat the petroleum, timber and law enforcement lobbies is to correctly frame and define the issue.  CNN only reports on it because it gets people to read their mostly inane and idiotic news.

April 20, 2009
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you want to bail out this country and get out of the Second Great Depression? legalize marijuana, grow the best in the world, sell it legally and safely, and boom, the country's economy fixed in 1 crop/season....

April 20, 2009
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couple points that i'd like to comment about:

 

1) seems people who are anti-legalization really think that the moment marijuana were to be legalized, everyone would go out, buy weed, and get high immediately and all the time. that is not the case.. who says that marijuana smokers will smoke throughout the day, or even everyday? if someone is doing that, they might have a problem, just like if someone drank alcohol throughout the day or excessively everyday, then they might have a problem. and come on, just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean people go into work drunk.. that is, unless they want to get fired. same thing if marijuana was legalized.

 

2)honestly, i am not too convinced that drug violence and "cartel support" would go down much by the legalization of marijuana. unlike other drugs, much of the marijuana industry (at least in california) is actually handled by people who are not at all "gangsters". a big percentage of the marijuana is grown in state by private growers, not drug cartels.. i also don't know how it is in other states but in california many marijuana cases are punished with a slap on the wrist.. even intent to sell!(some cases are reduced to house arrest and probation, though it is still a felony..) so i don't see the prisons getting freed up too much by marijuana legalization, but legalization of other drugs, that's a different story.

 

in the end, i think marijuana should be legalized. i think strictly based off of the comparison to alcohol alone, it should be legalized. alcohol is 100% legal to people of age 21 and over. you can buy it at 8am, 1pm, 10pm, or 1am.. you can drink enough to KILL YOURSELF at any time of the day, legally.. or you can drink responsibly and at a reasonable level. why not let people decide for themselves with marijuana? (in which the worst case scenario will most likely not end in death)

 

the only set back i see is with DUI's and marijuana.. i don't think there is a way to tell that someone has been smoking marijuana within a certain time span. alcohol can be detected in your system because it's in and out, THC (the main chemical compound found in marijuana) stays in your systems for days/weeks/months. and honestly even though i am for the legalization of marijuana, i don't want people that are high on our streets.. people can barely drive sober much less high on weed..

April 20, 2009
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NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  we have enough brain dead comatosed people running around

April 20, 2009
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Of course pot should be legal its wrong that its not,I have a big problem with COPS being able to go home and drink alcohol which is far more troublesome than pot ever would be, It Should be my Constitutional Right to get home from work and smoke a joint! Its time for all the BS Govt propaganda about pot to stop being told!Heres a few websites to look at.

 

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm

 

Theres alot of violent crime associated with pot and its because of of the PROFIT associated with it when we take it out of the Mexican drug cartels hand and the hands of GANG members our Country will be safer!!

 

I sometimes wonder if they keep it illegal cause it creates jobs in the Justice system, and we all know politicans are close to lawyers if their not one themselves!!

 

April 20, 2009
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Whatever happened to "we the people"?  IMO if a vote was left to the American people, pot would be legazlized.  There are just too many different ways that America would benefit from the legalization of pot. Im not going to list them cause so many have already been listed over and over again. Has America gone so far around the corner that the phrase "we the people" no longer has any sway???  It seems no matter what "we the people" want, the government is going to do what they want anyways. sheesh...

April 20, 2009
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BTW...happy 4/20 everyone  :D

April 20, 2009
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And CNN is giving all your IP addresses to the DEA...expect a knock on the door later tonight....

April 20, 2009
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Nugzit thank you for taking the time to explain the truth.  Most people against legalization are just plain ignorant to the facts so thank you for putting it in a concise framework!

April 20, 2009
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yeah my girl is stopping by too.

April 20, 2009
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Pro-Legalization from a non-smoker:

Anyone that wants to get marijuana can get it incredibly easily. The problem is that they have to go through illegal means, which gives money to drug dealers instead of taxes, which screws up the country. Even if it is a 'gateway drug' for some people, obviously those people aren't being deterred by legalities. And as for health concerns, I'd rather inhale second-hand marijuana than cigarettes. As far as high people driving, it should still be illegal but it's a lot safer than drunk driving.

April 20, 2009
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Jaxn what a generalized statement... I also saw a post saying that booze was an upper and marijuana a downer. That's a completely misinformed statement. Booze is a downer and marijuana has different effects depending on the strain. Most plants are made up of two traits thats why there is medical marijuana for different ailments.

 

When people feel compelled to make statements on topics they aren't informed on they make themselves look like fools.

April 20, 2009
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Anwer to funkymnky.  If your employer allows you to be stoned at work that is fine.  If an employer fires somebody for being stoned or drunk they also have the right to do that even if marijuana is legal which I feel it should be.

April 20, 2009
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Yes, PLEASE!

April 20, 2009
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Everybody Mental Ray thinks our govt won't lie to us, how naive is that!

April 20, 2009
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Yes, I think it should be legalized, controlled and taxed just as cigs and alcohol.  Our economy is hurting and we need to quit giving money to dealers here and in other countries. It will provide many jobs-growing, harvesting, transporting, retailing, etc.  Let's put our farmers back to work! As to it being a gateway drug -that's bunk under the current teachings.  I was taught in the late 60's in 6th grade that it was as bad as heroin. My big brother smoked it and he seemed okay so I thought I'd try it too. Then I figured the teachers were lying so I did try other drugs only to find out that pot is the lesser evil.  Now my 23 year old son is on probation for a pot charge. If he tests dirty he will go to jail with hardened criminals so now he drinks like a fish and takes other drugs that are out of his system in less than 72 hours. He has now turned into a drunk with a penchant for coke. I'd much rather him be the peaceful little stoner he was before. Alcohol, while legal, is addicting and  makes people violent and/or do stupid things.   So, what's so bad about a drug that could bail out our economy, reduce domestic violence, uncrowd our prisons, and has many, many health benefits?  I could go on but I think it's all been said here.  Make it Legal!

April 20, 2009
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Yes, they have been lying about UFO's for 60 years or more....why don't they fess up about that too!

April 20, 2009
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I'm not going to keep repeating the same great FACTS over and over, but I would like to offer a course of action instead of just talking in circles about it.

 

I think it's obvious that most of us are in agreement. If you aren't, that's fine as well, it is your right, and we need to stand by our convictions. We as the people of this nation are THE sovereignty.

 

Regardless of their accuracy in terms of gauging an issue (or lack of it), these blogs are all but overlooked by the very legislators that are in a position to make a change. So what I'm sayings is, do more!

 

I'm still baffled as to why this matter has not been seriously reckoned with at a more local level. No matter where you stand on the issue, you should address any and every politician that is resposible for representing you. The more we do this, the more likely this issue will be kept in mind and more out into the open.

 

With all that being said, I'm glad, and proud that we have a President who finally seems to make a conscious effort to connect with the masses. Now is our chance to push for something like this, not that we couldn't before, but the facts and information all speak for themselves. Use them as tools and points of contention.

 

Pick your side and peacefully fight, protest, debate, and most importantly, let your government representatives know that it matters to you.

 

If all we do is read each other's blogs without taking action, it's all a waste of time to so much as mention it. LETS DO THIS!

April 20, 2009
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or Gulf war illness

April 20, 2009
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The ONLY reason pot isn't legal is because the tobacco companies haven't found a way to monopolize the profits from it and they don't want any competition in the pursuit of the smoker's dollar.  Until they position themselves to be in control, it won't be legal.  If the "Pot is a dangerous drug" argument had ANY real merit, then tobacco and alcohol would be the first to be outlawed.  We like to brag about 'Freedom' and 'Liberty' here in the US, but if a person doesn't have the right to make their own decisions about their own body and what they put into it, then why do we even bother to kid ourselves about having any freedoms at all?

April 20, 2009
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Agent orange

April 20, 2009
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@Loudva2

I could post more, but here are the first three scientific studies of longterm, and acute effects that I found.

http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/geninfo/cannabis2.pdf

http://www.cannatrade.com/pdfdocuments/new/NeuropsychologicalPerformance.pdf

http://www.ukcia.org/research/AdverseEffectsOfCannabis.pdf

 

Crops grown for producing products useful to society I have no problem with. Neither do I have a problem with true medicinal use, provided its not bogus medicine. It should be noted that I would not be opposed to tobacco products made for smoking being made illegal, or at least be heavily taxed kind of like they are now.

April 20, 2009
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I think it should for several reasons.

1.     The ability to tax and control the substance

2.     Reduction of illegal pot from outside the nation

3.     Aid to pain suffers like myself

 

While stationed overseas, I was treated for my chronic pain with an herbal version of medicinal marijuana for chronic pain which aided my quality of life.  Now back in the US and under the care of the VA, I am being prescribed narcotics which are highly addictive to treat and control the pain I am in.  These medications I must take daily, and cannot stop without serious withdraws.

The medical community knows of the advantages of pot yet fights its legalization due to its economic impact upon pharmaceutical companies.

 

Also take a look at the number one drug used in America, Alcohol. Need I say more.

April 20, 2009
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I agree legalize (regulate) it.  I'm not a user but I've never understood why other drugs (alcohol, cigs, etc.) are available which have done more (or equal at best) harm to our society. 

 

I think for most of the uninterested/ignorant masses is viewed as an illegal substance and therefor no different than crack, heroin, PCP, "you name it" and that will be the most difficult hurdle to clear. 

 

I completely agree with Nugzit's summary; sometimes it really frustrates me how ignorant voters are in this country - noone seems to want to educate themselves on things that don't directly influence them (heaven forbid we truly try to understand our neighbor, etc.).  Its time voters start demanding that politicians listen to us the people and not the lobbying corporations/deep pocketed/well-connected minority. 

April 20, 2009
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Weapons of mass destruction

April 20, 2009
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MONIKA YOU WENT TO COLLAGE? WHAT IS THAT

SO I GUESS YOU WENT TO COLLEGE AND HAVE A MASTERS?

HAHAHAH A MASTERS AND YOU MISSPELL COLLEGE.

 

MARIJUANA SHOULD ONLY BE LEGALIZED FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES.

April 20, 2009
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I'd pay $20 for a tasty 5-pack of joints, thats a steal, or $15-$20 for a fat loosy at a "cafe".

April 20, 2009
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This really isn't even a debate anymore, more of a consensus. CNN should read some posts from this site at 4:20. That would be sweet.

April 20, 2009
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I think it's high time that marijuana was taken off the list of illegal substances and used for the colossal tax revenue that the legal sale would generate.

April 20, 2009
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Sure.  Legalize pot with one catch.  Put it in a container with the purchaser's name on it.  The pot must be in the container at all times. A smoking attachment is affixed to the pot so that the pot comes out of the container only as it is smoked. Then, when a child is caught with the pot, it has the parent's name on it, so the authorities know who to arrest on a felony charge with a life sentence.     

April 20, 2009
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Cafe's would make more money on chips, cookies and soft drinks than joints themselves, these are taxed as well :)

April 20, 2009
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i don't understand the argument that marijuana leads to harder narcotics.  don't MOST people first smoke cigarettes, and drink beer BEFORE trying marijuana?  and beer and cigarettes are legal right?

April 20, 2009
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Ariana needs to get past the propaganda. Pot was not made illegal because it was or has ever been a 'gateway' drug. If you look at the history it was for political reasons (look up Harry Anslinger), to discriminate against minorities primarily Mexicans and Blacks and to put the Hemp farmers out of business. People don't realize that you can not only legalize marijuana and tax it but by doing so you would also make hemp once again a viable crop in this country which would create jobs and more tax revenue. It is not a question of whether marijuana is good or bad it is a question of whether prohibition works or does not. It doesn't so legalize it now.

April 20, 2009
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The inaccuracies of the majority of these statements offer me a great bit of hilarity.

 

Legalizing it will not improve the economy, it won't get unemployed people jobs and it certainly will not get the Government money.

 

The pro-legalization people are believing in a utopia.  I've seen the word naive thrown around.  That's what the pro-legalization people are. Everything positive they say will not happen and you guys know that.

 

Live with, pot will never be legal (and it's not because of big business either)

April 20, 2009
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i read several of the other posts.  I am clearly in agreement with many of them.

I have said the same thing for years....  Legalize it.  If for no other reason than to stop the kind of violence that President Obama went to Mexico to talk about.  Surprised he came out alive?  We would stop lots of violence, gun running, illegal smuggling of US currency, and take one of the country's biggest secrets out of the closet.  It is the same dynamic that happened with the prohibition of alcohol.  People still want it and get it, just at greater risk, for the suppliers, the buyers and the government that could benefit from legalizing it.

The tax revenues to be generated would be huge.   Look at the revenues from alcohol and tobacco.  And then think about how many people would not go to prison.  There would be a huge savings in local, state, and national tax expenditures that would suddenly be transformed into revenues.  This is an easy conversation, from my point of view.  And I do not even smoke!!!

April 20, 2009
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great idea atlantica  lol

April 20, 2009
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Someone mentioned that pot would not increase responsibility.  I disagree.  Children eventually grow up and make decisions for themselves.  Because they have more decisions they become more responsible.  Why should pot be your decision?  Because it can't kill you, and is less harmful than many other things.  It can be a unique experience that is not for everyone, but why are certain experiences illegal?

It should only be illegal if someone else is hurt.  I support responsibility, giving people the right to make decisions when they are strictly based on morals and not health reasons.  The stereotype is a lie and some people embody stereotypes simply because they exist.  Lets show each other kindness and respect and be responsible with educated decisions about our health and experience.  The taboo is over.

April 20, 2009
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Why in the hell do people think that if it's legal then

more people are going to get high?  That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.  You should smoke pot.  It might make you smarter.  Listen to me.  Millions upon millions of people enjoy pot everyday.  I'm getting ready to enjoy some myself right now and guess what....I don't care if it's legal!!!!!!  I will do it no matter what the government says.  The same goes for all of the other pot smokers.  Just because our dumbass government says that it's illegal doesn't mean that people don't do it.  Damn...get that through your head.  It DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS LEGAL OR NOT.  PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT.  It is illegal to murder someone but it happens every day all over the country. People are going to do what they want to do.  The point is that it wastes a ton of money and effort hunting down non-violent pot smokers and putting them in jail.  For what!!!  It's a totally victimless crime.  If I want to be an asshole alcoholic and get 50 DUI's it's no problem but the moment I want to smoke up then the DEA is knocking down my door?  That makes a lot of sense. 

April 20, 2009
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Maybe a few min after say 428, 420 420 only is around once a year, just like new years. mmmm...illicit drug

 

hey prof. spell check, get bent, itss a blogg

April 20, 2009
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       After smoking marijuana for about 5 years on and off; and at one point for 4 months straight(I'm 20 now). I beleive people really underestimate the psychological addictiveness of todays potent marijuana. I loved it so much at one point I was even planning on growing it. I ended up selling my $2700 video camera for a $1000 to buy an indoor grow set up, I spent months on online forums and reading material realted to how to grow marijuana and marijuana facts.

       I'm not sure if it should be legalized or not but I also think people shouldn't go to jail for doing drugs. Maybe the side effects I expereinced was because I smoked really potent marijuana and it intensified the side effects of marijuana.  There are side effects from marijuana that people don't even realize or that science hasn't detected at the moment. I noticed when I smoked, it can exaggerate thoughts even for days after you haven't smoked it.

      The littlest problem can seem like the end of the world and the worst part about that, its so hard to realize at times that your having an exggerated thought. Then a few weeks later you think to your self why was I bugging out like that and most of the time people won't even think its the marijuana doing it to them. When I was first introduced to marijuana by a friend I didn't know about all the side efffects.

      I didn't know why I was paranoid and couldn't stop constantly worrying and could actually feel the tension from all the stress. Some nights when I was in 10th grade I would be in my room crying cause I didn't know what was wrong with me thats how bad it got and why I couldn't stop worrying and bugging out. My dad would come into my room and give me a hug telling me I have to relax my mind but didn't know I was smoking marijuana. When you stop smoking marijuana after a few weeks or sometimes days you feel like you come back to reality and everything feels normal thats also another dangerous part about it.

      I would instantly forget about all the past struggles I went through because of smoking it cause I started to think to my self I was just bugging out for no reason and that it was all in my mind and I would start smoking again cause I felt normal at the time. The reason why I believe people don't notice marijuana has any problems with it, when you smoke it daily or smoke it once a week the side effects slowly builds up and gets progressively worse to where it feels like your constantly stressed all the time which can sometimes lead to suicidal thoughts I believe. One of my friends whos in 10th grade at the moment smokes everyday. I asked him what do you want to be when you grow up and he said "I don't want to be anything I just want to have so much weed where I don't have to worry about it any more." About 5 people I know so far told me either they're depressed or want to kill them selves and they all smoke marijuana.

       I truly believe marijuana can be addicting. It really took alot for me to notice this from dropping out of college twice to smoking it everyday not caring about anyone except getting high.

April 20, 2009
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The worst thing that can happen while driving and smoking pot is stopping at a stop sign and waiting till it turns green. I've been smoking pot for 40 years and the only drug problem I have is getting it!

April 20, 2009
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sm18.....shut the hell up.  Talk about naive.  You're a damn 19 year old college student.  You don't know anything about anything.  Just shut up, go to class, graduate and get a job.  Come back in 20 years and tell me how you feel.  Damn.   

April 20, 2009
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@birdyspice

Fat people already get charged more for healthcare insurance.  I get a 20% discount on my premium for being in an appropiate BMI range. Also, there is a very distinct difference between choosing to expose yourself to carcinogens and toxins, and being born with a genetic allele or alleles that cause disease.  It would be unethical and harmful to society to punish people for being born with a attribute they have no control over.

April 20, 2009
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Pot SHOULD NOT be LEGAL! It is very bad for you and ALL you people who think it should be legal Are probally HIGH! POT KILLS YOUR BRIAN CELLS!

I Don't care msg me back if you think I am wrong, yal fucked up as my friend would say!

April 20, 2009
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http://www.ireport.com/people/VocalCitizen

 

Write to your senators and congressmen and demand that they allow a national public vote! The Obama administration is too scared of political backlash to pursue responsible and Constitutional discussion on drug policy reform. They don't want to admit our last three presidents and the most decorated Olympic champion in history have used marijuana without ruining their lives, smashing into oblivion the stereotype of "stoners".

 

The Obama administration does not want to honor their promise to end raids of dispensaries and prosecution of medical cannabis patients. They made the promise then BROKE it two weeks later! They don't want to admit the hypocrisy of alcohol prohibition's failure and eventual legalization with cannabis prohibition's expensive failure.

 

Cannabis is not lethal. It is less harmful than alcohol, prescription drugs, and tobacco. It has been made legal or been decriminalized in almost half of our states by POPULAR VOTE. It helps sick and dying people. And 30 million Americans use it every month - doctors, lawyers, cops, butchers, teachers, waitresses, mechanics, professors, judges, accountants..........

 

Let's take the scary issue out of government hands and VOTE on legalization! Then, they need only carry out the wishes of the American people!

 

Happy 4/20! Free the Weed!

April 20, 2009

It's too easy to grow so the government can't control it and tax it. They would rather stick to the number one and number two killers and ruiners of human life, tobacco and alcohol. The hipoctites that run this country are the problem. Government sanctioned death sticks and the most addicting substance in our country...alcohol. They may as well all be pushers and murderers in Washington.

April 20, 2009
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It's not that I don't think it should be legalized but what are we going to do about the people that choose to continue to grow and attempt to get around all of the new taxes and regulations (the GOVT is going to get their cut) in order to sell a cheaper product than what's on the market???  We'll have to have new laws and enforcement of those laws which will continue to cause people to be jailed, etc. etc.

April 20, 2009
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The people who are against legalization are hypocrites. They sit on their pompous butts and collect revenues from the huge pharmaceutical companies that are so rich! I was out of country for years- military- and when I came back the commercials for "legal" drugs was astounding! Ever commercial had side affects listed including possible death! FYI- The NRA and pharmaceutical companies run America! We need to convince the right agencies that it is cost affective to legalize pot so we as responsible adults can enjoy a "toke" in the privacy of our own home! This nonsense about people being stoned at work and/or driving is a scare tactic that was used during alcohol prohibition. Drink at work-loose your job; drive and drink loose your license(or worse). I am a responsible tax payer and tired of someone dictating what I can and cannot do in MY HOME! Legalize and tax it tomorrow! If you price it too high then people will go back to the streets to buy it, thus the cartels win again! Take a look how much the company Pfizer charges for one pill! Outrageous!

April 20, 2009
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I think it should be legalized. Yes, people with addictive personalities may become addicted to it, but then again, they may be addicted to alcohol, gambling, etc. As drugs go, it really isn't that addictive. I've known people that smoke it occationally with no desire to do it daily, and I've known people that can't seem to go without smoking it on a daily basis. I do not believe it is a gateway drug. There is pretty much no good reason for it to be illegal currently. As far as health issues, it is certainly no worse than smoking or drinking. There are 2 reasons it is illegal currently: alcohol and tobacco lobbyists and religious fanatics.

April 20, 2009
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Wow, everyone on pot.  Let's see, got spine surgury next week, hope my surgeon didn't smoke pot the night before.  After that, I'm going on vacation, hope the pilot didn't roll a doobie during his break.  Gee, I'm in this cool store and can't find my jean size, wonder if that stinky deer eyed teenager over there could go in the back and see if they have my size, oh, I've got a court date for a traffic violation, gee where's my attorney?  Oh, he can't be here because he's stoned in his Lexus.  Honey, we haven't expressed our love for one another, oh rats!  Did you just fire up another bong??

Oh, John lost his job because he's stoned again.  I think John ought to sue his employer!  Look little Laura's pregnant again!  Oh, how sweet, look at that cute little doobie she rolled!  She's going to be a GREAT mom! 

April 20, 2009
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Sm18 back that up. I know it's not the answer to any state's fiscal wows but done right  it could generate millions. I don't think it will ever be legalized but regulated for medical purpose sure. Like I said, I'd love to run a medical cultivation operation. I have looked into moving to California to do so. My hesitation is that the grow spaces do not have any regulations posing a hazard. Plus it's a cash business and the potential of being robbed it very high.

April 20, 2009
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cc

thats cause your just a boy. sorry young man, wait till you get 10 more years under your belt, I bet youll want a joint than

 

April 20, 2009
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I have smoke pot since I was 16.  I stopped for the 10 years I was in the Military and became quite the alcoholic.  Since leaving the military 17 years ago I began smoking pot again and do not drink at all.  I use pot dailey when I get home from work and after dinner to relax and unwind.  No different then my boss who goes home every night and consumes 6 - 7 beers to unwind and sleep accept if I get caught I go to jail.  I also don't think legalizing it will cause "every pot smoker to grow it".  It takes alot of expertise, time, and effort to grow pot that will give a daily user the affect he desires.  I have tried, can't grow it.  I can grow flowers, a garden, and such but just can't seem to grow this "weed".  Of course, if it were legal I could grow it in my garden and give it the care it needs to produce good quality pot.  I can almost guarantee you that everyone who does not smoke, knows some one who does and just doesn't know it.

April 20, 2009
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I read an article last week about a new weapon in the "War on Drugs" -'Rehab' First I was disgusted that the current administration is using the old administrations playbook on this. Second there has been talk of legalizing marijuana by some very knowledgable people, and the report said that "Is not on the table" 

 

  I say we send all of our politicians to rehab and see how they like it.  Then while they're working their way through some twelve step program, we can take the time to legalize it ourselves through a constitutional amendment.

 

April 20, 2009
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ccmuench....you've got issues man.  Those issues have NOTHING to do with pot.  You need to see a psychologist.  Why is it that all of the crazy people in the world blame their problems on something else?

April 20, 2009
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Shamrock6

 

Your inability to comprehend what I've been saying is also adding to my hilarity. I love how a pot head like you is getting mad at a college student.  I love it! Do not be jealous of me because I am in college, something you probably have never had the privilege to attend. You know I am speaking the truth, that is why you are annoyed.

April 20, 2009
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Alcohol makes you go through red lights, reefer makes you stop at green lights. Legalize it, fer cryin' out sakes...

April 20, 2009
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All people here that cry about what would happen if pot was legalized need to substitute word "Alcohol" for "pot" and multiply the 'what ifs' about 10 times. Then look around yourselves realizing its true and have another drink you hypocrites. If you're such a straightedge, go write your congressman to illegalize alcohol, oh wait, that didnt work!

April 20, 2009
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Response to SM18.  I don't have anything to gain by having marijuana legal but I feel it should be legal.  I don't smoke it nor do I want to nor do I smoke cigarettes or have any desire to smoke them.  If you can create a "legal" channel for the creation and distribution of tobacco and alcohol products why not the same for marijuana?   Part of these legal channels would be for people to grow their own and give it away (not sell it).  I can make my own bootleg alcohol or make my own beer and "give" it those those who are legally of age.  I just can't sell it unless I go through the proper legal channels to become a distributor.  So the same should be with marijuana.  I am sure you would have the same issues as you have with those who sell bootleg alcohol illegally.  In those cases they should face the same legal actions.  "sell bootleg alcohol incur a big fine - sell bootleg marijuana incur big fine"

April 20, 2009
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Yeah RevPoopie. Im like fox news.  You flip flop more than a drunken republican.  Which is it, Are you for it or against it?  Dont be mad at me because you cant decide.  hahahhahha.  Im for it.  No, Im against it. No, wait, i would be if certain conditions are met.  aaaghghghg

April 20, 2009
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Oh look little Amber75 has been living her life with her eyes closed. All the people you mentioned do and have smoked pot. Your an idiot!

April 20, 2009
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Glad this subject is starting to be taken seriously. It's sad that it can cause college students to loose there scholarships, or there job, and have to go to jail. The worst part is when they go after the sick. Obama might not be for legalization but in the past he has said he believes in marijuana Decriminalization. Think that would be a great start, and that someone needs to ask him if that is something he still believes.

April 20, 2009
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you can make it legal and still administer drug tests for work-related reasons. 

you can still make it illegal to distribute without a license.

you can still make it illegal to grow without a license.

you can still make it illegal to sell without a license.

 

a simple paradigm shift from cannabis as a completely black market drug to an herbal remedy for valid medical use.  that's all it really is.

 

any product on the black market is sold at exorbitant rates, has no quality control and contributes to violence, terrorism, and crime.

 

all these problems are relieved when you legalize cannabis.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Adriana Maxwell stated that marijuana was made illegal because it was a gateway to harder drugs. She's not entirely wrong. In 1971, when President Nixon BURIED the Shafer Report he HIMSELF commissioned because it proved marijuana is not fatal OR a gateway (more teenagers start with alcohol and/or tobacco but marijuana is easier to get because it's... ILLEGAL and not regulated!), that argument became outdated.

 

Our current laws against marijuana and its derivatives (industrial hemp has NO psychoactive properties and would be considered an EARTH FRIENDLY industry worth BILLIONS) are antiquated and do not reflect NEW, 21st century scientific and social knowledge.

 

DEMAND RATIONAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL DRUG POLICY REFORM! That's how we reduce access to our children...

April 20, 2009
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I never met an angry pot head but sure have met alot of angry alcoholics.Legalize it already....the world wouldnt be so pi$$ed off all the time.Remember the old saying,smoke a joint and mellow out....

April 20, 2009
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Amber

What you don't realize is that they allready are.

April 20, 2009
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Preach on VocalCitizen, preach on sister  lol  love your posts

April 20, 2009
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Funny that there isn't a poll for this question, to give a strict and instant response about the simple yes/no question posed here.  I'm sure Americans would overwhelmingly support legalization, if not mere de-criminalization, and the corresponding benefits of marijuana law reform.

April 20, 2009
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Legalize marijuana already. People are going to do what they want to do, despite what it says in the laws. Why not tax and erase the national debt? The benefits of marijuana far exceed any 'risks' or propoganda that you can come up with. Weed isn't the gateway drug; its alcohol. I tried drinking years before i ever touched the weed. Think about how much alcohol has ruined the lives of people you know; from family and friends dying in car accidents with drunk people, to the fights that people get into when they are drunk and stupid things that they decide to do while under the influence of alcohol. My friends drink like fishes all the time, and do the stupidest things when they are drunk and end up hurting themselves or others, physically, or emotionally by saying things they don't mean. The hypocrisy of our country where tobacco and alcohol are legal and deemed 'ok' to use, yet smoking a plant thats been around for 1000's of years isn't. Know anyone who has OD'd on weed? Nope, but what about alcohol poisoning? Yep! I live in CA and I have a medical marijuana card, it is the best thing ever. I hate alcohol and what it does to people. It makes people change for the worst. I am glad that times are finally changing and we are actually discussing the benefits of marijuana instead of making up excuses to keep it illegal. The war on drugs is a FAILURE and until you re-examine how the system operates, it will only get WORST. Numbers don't lie, and every year the gross domestic product is always POT. Work with it not against it. And start vaporizing marijuana, it is even better than smoking since it is healthier for you. Get a Volcano, best investment you can make.

I laugh at the ignorant people that still think weed is bad but drinking there brains out and destroying their lives is good. I just know that weed>alcohol and tobacco; all day everyday. Get your heads out of your asses anyone that thinks different. :)

April 20, 2009
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when you outlaw something , you create a black market, I am pro weed, but hey I have toked it for 24 years as it is, I never see an angry stoner, only mellow folk, but you cannot say that about a chemical induced addict, ie drunk, methhead etc etc. Freedom of choice, sad we have to fight over what is our civil right anyway.

April 20, 2009
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Pot should be legalized. People should be able to grow, buy and sell pot. The government should get to tax the sale of pot. I don't like to use pot, but I know people who do and they are all good people. They should not be discriminated against. It is very unfair. Pot users are much nicer to be around versus alcohol users. People who like pot stick with it. All this business about pot being a gateway drug is non-sense. Pot makes some people feel really good. I'm all for that.

April 20, 2009
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Addicted!

 

lets outlaw video games!

 

A new research article out today in the journal Psychological Science suggests that the answer is yes.

Nearly one in 10 children and teens who play video games showed signs of what could be considered addiction to games in a January 2007 Harris poll that the research is based upon.

 

The poll of 1,178 U.S. kids and teens (aged 8 to 18) found that 8.5% of those who played video games exhibited at least six of 11 addiction symptoms such as skipping household chores or homework to play games, poor performance on tests of homework because of playing, and playing games to escape problems.

 

Exhibiting six of 11 such symptoms can lead to being diagnosed with an addiction such as pathological gambling. The Iowa State University researchers adopted the gambling addiction criteria for its self-administered questionaire because there is no current medical diagnosis of video game addiction.

 

April 20, 2009
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Like anything else, just because it is legal doesnt mean YOU HAVE to participate in any way...

I know people that are dumber straight than people i have seen stoned on thier A$$ ! Get over yourselves people, dont we have enough idiots making laws and judgments....

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

Boy, most people here, since they have and know how to use a computer, have been and graduated from college with degrees you never even heard off (psychology major, boy? get a hamburger when/if you graduate). They also have jobs and live a better lives they your tight ass will ever experience (unless your ass is tight enough to make diamonds).

April 20, 2009
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JerryHerb

 

Great deduction!

You're just a simple ass hole!

I love ignorant, degrading people like you!

April 20, 2009
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I think it should be legalized for all the reasons stated above like: cut down on violence, put the money into our economy in a legitimate way, it has medical benefits, the stalks have many uses in manufacturing(hemp products), "high" people dont do things drunk people do etc.

 

One of the main things, I think, that prohibits law makers from going along with it is there is no way to test how high someone is at any one moment, like a breathalyzer for weed.  Every one knows that someone can be too high to drive if they smoke TOO much weed and drive.  There will undoubtedly be people who abuse it, like everything else.  If there were some kind of breathalyzer for weed, with legal limits on how high you can be and still drive (like alcohol)then cops and lawmakers would probably feel more comfortable with alowing people to use it legaly and responsibly

April 20, 2009
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With this much support for weed..

I wonder why with majority rules have we not voted to make it legal?

April 20, 2009
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Sm18,

   oh you forgot succesful

April 20, 2009
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sm18, you elitest bastard, why arent you studying? is that high end collage the best in the land or just mediocore, have you paid for anything or does that come from daddys backpocket...

i bet shamrock has a job and has had one for a long time, pays his taxes and takes care of his family

April 20, 2009
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Yes, it is time for legalization. President Obama quoted a verse out of the Bible,"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child ; but when I became a man I put away childish things."

The world has used cannabis for hundreds if not thousands of years in various forms and uses... If we as a nation look back in history and discover why it was outlawed we would become very embarrassed because it was racist.

A documentary entitled "American Drug War: The Last White Hope" ( here is a link to the web site  http://www.americandrugwar.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXAQcvIdXfE&feature=PlayList&p=EC23588B6A67FB69&index=0 )and here is another The Union: The Business behind getting high (here is a link to the documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2on7QE2GnSE&feature=PlayList&p=1AE0C7E31F4D2560&index=0 ).

Our President said legalization of marijuana will not save our economy... well, if it was not profitable then why do we have weed or drug dealers and cartels make BILLIONS of dollars? If marijuana is so, addictive why are claims made that the use is going down? Ask yourselves who is "The Partnership for a Drug-Free America" and who funds this organization? People if you look at monies saved from decriminalization and monies gained from legalization threw taxes it is possible to see revenue generated at estimated 100 to 250 BILLION dollars. Like wine , cigars, coffee and alcohol marijuana has the same qualities that can be judged. Lets us stop acting like children and being treated as such... we elected Obama as President then we can choose our direction as a nation lets us choose.

April 20, 2009
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Jerryherb,

 

And who cares?

April 20, 2009
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I don't smoke pot, but I think it absolutely should be legal.  It is totally puritanical to put people in jail for this.. a TOTAL waste of money to have our law enforcement and judicial system and jails spending time on this.   Scotch whiskey is a much more powerful drug and it is legal.  This is a TERRIBLE and INEXCUSABLE inconsistency.

 

Yes, it's probably addicitive.  So is the internet.  And television.  And video games.  That's the problem of the people with addiction issues and better to be addicted to something legal than illegal. 

 

And yes, some people might use pot as a gateway to other drugs (maybe some small, single digit percentage more than those who already do, since anyone can get it anyway), but the BENEFITS from legalizing it far outweigh the risks. Also consider that maybe the reason that the statistics show it as a "gateway" drug is that it INTRODUCES PEOPLE TO DRUG DEALERS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!!  

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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What does video game addiction have to do with cannibus legalization.  I'm addicted to food, but I don't think I'm going to stop eating.  Desiring to partake in an activity does not make it innately bad for you, and not all of those facts listed about video games are necessarily dependent on kids being able to play video games.

April 20, 2009
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sm18 - You sound stupid.  I graduated from college before you were born.  Like I said, I am a member of Mensa.  My IQ is higher than you could ever imagine.  My rate of comprehension is astronomical compared to yours.  If I'm "adding to your hilarity" then great but at least let me correct your ridiculous logic.  Hilarity is a conditional statement identifier meant to connote the emotions attached to a situation.  I think what you are trying to say but are too young and stupid to know any better is that I am adding to your bemusement.  I am making you laugh becuase you think I am an idiot..... you idiot. 

April 20, 2009
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Amber your post was, unsurprisingly, completely based on stereotypes and not facts. That is the fear instilled into people by government propaganda. It's hard to change people's minds when it's been forced full of ****.

April 20, 2009
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DAWatson

 

I profusely apologize for being better than you.

My condolences.

April 20, 2009
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adriana, check your information.  marijuana was not criminalized because of its "narcotic" effect.  marijuana was criminalized in 1937 with the "Marihuana Tax Act" because hemp was rising in popularity as a cheaper, better, alternative for many goods such as paper, rope, etc. 

 

as with any drugs, legal or illegal, marijuana has its risks.  yes it does slow your reaction time.  but so does a big turkey dinner.  yes it could give you cancer.  but so can breathing the air in LA.

 

it's time that people in this country back off of what i do in my home, when im alone.  could someone please explain to me why its not ok for me to smoke a joint in the privacy of my own bedroom but it is perfectly legal for some of you to smoke cigarette after cigarette in the same room as your child?  or maybe why its legal to get shitfaced drunk and come home and physically or mentally abuse that same child? 

 

the only thing im hurting when i smoke pot is my grocery bill.

April 20, 2009
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rich doesnt mean better

April 20, 2009
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Pot does not kill brain cells it actually promotes neurogenesis.

April 20, 2009
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Sm18,

  YOU should. seems that everyone that smokes pot is an underclass to you. instead you should hope and aspire to become of what 90% of us here are. independent, functional, successful, responsible, and otherwise law abiding citizens. We pay taxes that cover your pell grant, subsidized loans and bail your parents out because their 5000sf house was not big enough.

April 20, 2009
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if the problem with leagalization is the addictivness then there are alot of things we should criminilize, being addicted to anything is wrong, moderation is the answer.

keeping our kids safe is on the minds of all of us, but really with cigerets and alcohol on the streets, how safe are they? dont you remember your parents having a party and going around and sampeling all of the drinks? or how about stealing a cigerette? now there is your gateway.

April 20, 2009
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Sm18 you degraded Shamrock? "I am in college, something you probably have never had the privilege to attend" I'm still waiting for you to back up your first statement. I think you just posted to get some attention and get people riled up.

April 20, 2009
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As to the issue of every body would just grow their own -I grew tobacco on my farm but I still bought cigarettes.  I used to make my wine but that didn't make me Ernest Gallo. I think the growing of it for resale would be prohibited just as it's illegal to have a still in the back yard making moonshine. If you can buy a quality product for a fair price at an "herbal" shop why hassle with stoner dude down the street that grew it in his backyard with who knows what chemicals he used?  I'm sure if marijuana was decriminalized laws would be in place to prevent Bubba Stonehead from harvesting a few pounds out back.  What happened to moonshiners after liquor was re-legalized?  

April 20, 2009
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This is the second time I've read comments on a major news site like cnn where about 99% of commenters are for leagalization, citing how it helps users to chill out, as well as citing the tax revenue it would bring in.  So who are law makers afraid of upsetting?  I know many people in NYC who can call up and order MJ just as easy as ordering pizza.  So why do we still allow drug dealers to rake in millions or billions of dollars? when we can pump that money into the economy, schools, healtcare. Duhh!

April 20, 2009
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I don't smoke pot nor have any desire to smoke it nor do I have a desire to smoke tobacco.  That being said marijuana should be legal if for nothing else but for the following reason.  The reason comes from a quote by Albert Einstein.  He said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"  That sounds like our nations war on drugs.  We do the same thing over and over and over yet expect different results.

April 20, 2009
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Of course it should be legal.  It's ridiculous that it isn't. I'm a habitual smoker and you know what?  I maintain a healthy lifestyle, have a college education and a good job.  I don't smoke before work.  I don't smoke when I'm in charge of my child's care.  And in all honesty, I see ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with it.  If anything, it helps me cope with the stress of daily life just a little better.  This is such a silly issue.  Our president admits to snorting cocaine in college.  I've never done that.  All I've ever done is smoke weed. Gateway drug?  I think not. 

 

LEGALIZE

April 20, 2009
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I think a lot of you are getting way off topic and focusing on the affects of marijuana instead of the fact that the government has way too much control over what you can do in the privacy of your own home.  If you want to smoke crack in your own house....by all means!  People have addictions to alcohol and cigarettes...how in the hell can you argue the point that it's addictive and is a gateway drug.  First of all, everybody has a different body chemistry and reacts differently to any type of chemical or drug (even prescriptions) that is put into our systems...so please people, if you are going to make an argument against the legalization of marijuana or any other drug, do some research on it first, and then ask yourself how much you like having the government in control of your life.

 

There are drug dealers on the street BECAUSE it is illegal.  

April 20, 2009
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sm18 -

 

You don't profusely apologize.  You apologize profusely.  You idiot.

April 20, 2009
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I find it remarkably humorous to see people condemn Marijuana because it "will kill you". Yet they don't bat an eye when they reach for a cigarette or alcohol.

 

It certainly shows the effectivness of the propoganda campaign that has been utilised in the US in regards to Marijuana. Are the Dutch slaughtering each other by the thousands since Marijuana is legal in Amsterdam? There must be a high murder rate because of the legal deadly marijuana. /sarcasm

 

So the gov't can tell you that you can smoke a cigarette, drink alcohol yet stay away from that "pot", it will kill you.

 

Basic common sense tells me this ideology is a joke!

April 20, 2009
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burn!!!

April 20, 2009
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anyone have comments on (a need to test how "high" someone is at any particular moment) like when driving, (from my earlier post)?

April 20, 2009
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SConnors,

 

I'm sorry. Which comment was that. Refresh my mind and I will be more than happy to respond.

April 20, 2009
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YES. Of course, it should be regulated like alcohol. There is credible evidence liking marijuana use to personality disorders in juveniles, who manage to procure alcohol even though it is also regulated. To help remedy this, only the government should be able to grow and sell it. And the government whould sell it at perhaps even a higher price than it currently sells for. Since the profit margin would be extremely high, (no pun intended) the revenue would help solve the budget problems, revenue that would be augmented by saving the money currently spent on enforcing the current laws as well as the jails to house low-level drug dealers and users.

April 20, 2009
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Shamrock6

 

You can do either. Look it up.

April 20, 2009
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sm18 -

 

How the hell did you get in college?  It must not be a good school.  What, are you taking a "few classes" at the community college while delivering pizzas?  You can't even seem to put a couple of logical sentences together.  Also, I agree - it is easy to bullshit on the internet.  You seem to do it well.

April 20, 2009
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sm18 is apparently good at making friends.

 

lol

April 20, 2009
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somebody should post this blog on obama's site!

April 20, 2009
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Oh, I almost forgot that America is also the only country to allow drugs to be marketed directly to the consumer. Another ironic and completely retarded notion by the Gov't.

 

Here, take all these drugs to "treat" whatever problem you have, just stay away from that deadly Marijuana.

 

They have created a nation of drug addicts! Just because something is "legal" does not mean it is not a drug. Smokers are absolutely drug addicts as much as a crack head is a drug addict.

 

Make tobacco illegal and you would see an increase in violent crimes related to Tobacco. Crazy to imagine, but it would occur. It is a drug and has millions within its grip.

April 20, 2009
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I also don't think marijuana should be smoked if anything it should be vaporized. If you think about it carbon monoxide is given off from smoke which is poisonous to humans. Vaporized marijuana I wouldn't consider harmful because theres is no carbon monoxide given off. To everyone who thinks that inhaling marijuana isn't a good delivery to get it into the body, If you think about it oxygen is a chemical also which you breathe in and if your not breathing in the chemical oxygen you will die.

April 20, 2009
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Shamrock6

 

I love how you jump on everything I said.  I do think at one point you were my age and making the same, if any, mistakes that I am.

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is a natural resource that has medicinal properties and a high cash value which could turn into a taxable commodity which would benefit our economy. Not only that, legalization would reduce crime, free up  millions being spent on incarceration and legal fees, it would break the deadlock in our court systems to allow them to go after real criminals. The list goes on and on...Hmmm, is it me or should this be a no-brainer?

April 20, 2009
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I think we should have a contest to see who can draft the legislation for legalization, and we should all be high when we do it.  I first propose to legalize growing it at home so I don't have to worry about who my kids are buying from.  All stoners know that there are some scary dealers out there, and their lifestyle is attractive to kids who are bored with this establishment lifestyle we are trying to stuff down their throats (and mine).  Besides, I am way better at scout projects when I'm stoned.

April 20, 2009
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If weed is what you need then later you will be hooked on something like Speed. Because once you get tired of that high, you will want to fly on a bigger and better high. So please don't trip...cause Hip is Hip...go ahead and say we should smoke, you will see smoke coming out of young folks, passing in class and not the grade, cause that will surely fade.  Besides who wants weed Taxed like bread and milk, next thing you know a dime snack will be high as silk.  We need to just stop that weed from coming up from down south, like weed should be legal coming out your mouth.  Yeah we need the money, but if Obama trys that, he will be 100 miles and running.  So lets try and do it like the old school and invent something to sell to other countries instead of being a big pot smoking country of junkies.....

April 20, 2009
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But...but...but...if we legalize marijuana, we won't have grounds to roust Chicanos in East L.A. or throw them across the border and...worst of all...those danged-blanged weed smoking Chicanos are <oh, the horror> Catholics!!!!!!!

April 20, 2009
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Of course MJ should be legal, regulated, and taxed.  Big tobacco and alcohol have shamelessly prevented this simple plant from being available without fear for decades.

 

In the words of the prophet George Carlin; "you show me a guys sitting on a couch smoking some herb, and I'll show you a guy whose not causing any trouble".

 

Wake up people, get your priorities straight.

April 20, 2009
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Atlantica -

 

Good call.  sm18 is drawing fire because he's an idiot.  Life is tough enough as it is....it is damn near impossible when you're an idiot.  Good luck sm18, I'm pretty sure you're going to need it.

April 20, 2009
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all this being said, our president will NEVER take steps to legalize marijuana.  can you imagine the first black president legalizing pot?  POLITICAL SUICIDE, especially considering the prevalence of racist republican assholes that would spin it as a racially charged issue just like they do with everything.

 

im white, i see the racial bias of the right, and dont pretend you dont either.

April 20, 2009
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The problem with the legalization (which I believe it should be legal) is with drug testing. It stays in your blood too long.

They can drug test you for alcohol to see if you are drunk, not if you have been drinking. Marijuana is harder to do that with.

But if people are worried about their doctors and pilots smoking before they fly, it would be the same with alcohol, they should be worried about them being drunk. Yes if they legalize it there will be laws just like with alcohol, you can't operate heavy machinery, or drive while under the influence.

 

April 20, 2009
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FACT: 150,000 people a year die from alcohol related circumstances

FACT: 450,000 people a year die from cigarette related circumstances

FACT:0 people a year die from marijuana related circumstances

And marijuana is put in the same category as cocaine and heroin?! It's 2009-the U.S. desperately needs the enormous tax revenue and jobs legalized marijuana would create. When alcohol was legalized after prohibition, people griped and feared just the same. But alcohol is still here and has done far more damage than marijuana ever will. It's the reponsibility of the user not to be an abuser. Two good reasons alone are for medicinal purposes and to end the drug wars. Also research the sales of marijuana in California and you'll find the amazing positive results. How about just a trial run?

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

If that is the way you truly feel than you should leave this country.  This is/should be a free country where informed adults are able to make decisions regarding there personal activities.  The country you need to live in is called Afganistan, where religous zealots dictate policy to everyone else.

 

Ruined you college experience?  Normally, I wouldn't even venture to insult across the internet; but I suspect your college experience consisted of nothing more than World of Warcraft anyway.  It was not the pot, it was you.

 

Please stop assuming your views speak for the rest of us.  I hope as you grow up, your views mature as well.

April 20, 2009
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The statement that you originally brought you here..  "please don't tell me that taxing it will bring us any good. It won't. There would be millions of people growing it themselves and distributing it without the government ever knowing. You think drug wars are bad now, just wait. It will get worse. Plus, the drug cartels of Mexico will own the US by the way the cheaply grow and distribute the drug"

 

Mexicans grow garbage medical and high grade marijuana are most of the time grown locally. Marijuana grown outdoors is cropped only once a year, the demand for good marijuana is greater than the supply. This would not only generate income for growers but income for local, state and federal governments if done right.

April 20, 2009
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pay your own way huh? doesn't sound likke that good of a school, and get back to serving a working man his coffee....

April 20, 2009
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Shamrock6

 

Thanks for the well wishes.

I will do better than you could ever wish.

 

April 20, 2009
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God Grows Grass.  How can another human being tell me which naturally occurring plants I am allowed to use and which ones I am not?  It is absurd.  Marijuana is growing on this earth for all to use as they see fit.  Only with abolishment of ridiculous societal imposed regulation of plants will true Liberty be achieved.

April 20, 2009
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lol this is really funny how cnn puts up a marijuana discussion on their front page on 420.

April 20, 2009
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sm18 -

 

When I was your age I was in the United States Marine Corps and yes....I was an idiot too.  It's not necessarily you.  All 19 year olds are idiots. 

April 20, 2009
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Yes it should.

In reality it's just another way for police to have you by the balls, and do what they want with you.

On every occassion(many) that I have ever been pulled over I just tell the officers of it and where it is, and they just give it right back to me. Never has an officer talked crap to me about it either. Only once did I get arrested for it, I was in Jail for 3 days with crack-heads, murderers, theives, gangsters,homeless dirty drunks. My case was a DA-REJECT, when I got to court my public defenders laughed at my case. I was in jail for 3 days did 150hrs community service, got dropped from most of my college classes(missed finals)and had to run around wasting time, missed work, payed a bunch of stupid fines and I am still on Probation, and the stupidest thing is that I still smoke and they don't drug test me, which makes no sense at all. All this for a gram of pot? and the worst thing was, the officer could have just gave me a ticket for it and I could have just walked away with a small fine, but he chose to go the dick route(I would have never gone through any of that). 

Don't put Pot-smokers where they don't belong, we are not criminals.

April 20, 2009
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KRM802,

  That is why it needs to be drafted by some white guys with bipartisan support; grounds of the bill = tax revenue (money). all the right-wingers loooooooooooooove money.

April 20, 2009
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No, if they legalize it the ones in jail on marijuana charges would remain there. They broke the law. It was illegal when they were selling or growing it, and got busted. They finish out their term.

 

April 20, 2009
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I don't think the government is all that bad. I think alot of the time they try to protect us from ourselves when they make stuff illegal.

April 20, 2009
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Nicole Saidi,

 

Please encourage CNN to cover this issue more prominently in prime time! Perhaps Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper can devote an entire show to this subject, bringing in Judge James Gray, Rep. Ron Paul, L.E.A.P. representative Peter Christ, medical marijuana patients (who aren't famous), and well-spoken citizens. I would LOVE the opposition to include our new drug czar, the head of the DEA, and Robert Gibbs or the President himself. Perhaps the opponents can explain their reluctance to provide the American taxpayers and voters with rational, fact-based reasons why cannabis cannot be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco.

 

I'd love to hear what they have to say, since they've said nothing but NO. Don't they owe the American citizenry a legitimate reason why they won't even DISCUSS drug law reform?!

April 20, 2009
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Kaneh bosm!

April 20, 2009
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Having marijuana as a prescribed drug is fine, but why legalize it as a whole?  A lot of people compare marijuana to alcohol, so lets keep that comparison going.  Drunk drivers kill over 25,000 people every year in this country.  Do we really want to increase the number of fatalities caused by impaired drivers? 

 

The drug war violence is also no cause for legalization.  When prohibition ended, organized crime did not go away, it switched from alcohol to narcotics.  Make no mistake, these cartels have no interest in making an honest dollar.  If you legalize drugs, these cartels will move on to another product, and just as many people will die.

April 20, 2009
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SM18

How can you say your college xp has been ruined anyways.  You are only 19.  Did you leave college?? Are you still in?  If your still in, make the best of it.  Dont be so critical of everyone else's views.  Lighten up.  I promise it will help your college xp

 

April 20, 2009
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Legalize. Or at least "Decriminalize."  We can tax it and make billions, and lower the deficit, and we won't need to increase taxes (Republicans are supposed to like that) and gets millions of non-violent offenders out of prisons (where they would eventually learn to be violent offenders)

April 20, 2009
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Legalizing pot in the United States will happen eventually. The lure of tax money is too enticing to the fat cats on Capitol Hill to ignore. The only way, however, that it would ever be considered is if the common white man lost all of his fortunes and needed a way to get it all back, similar to once prohibited alcohol being made legal after the 1920 stock market crash.

 

And, that time is now. And they wouldn't be helping only the politicians and store clerks, but they'd be helping out local farmers in middle-America who are dying for another cash crop to harvest since the ethanol engine idea went belly up.

 

And, wouldn't a hit on the tobacco companies be a GOOD thing? It would either raise the price of cigarettes, forcing a loss of even more customers, especially teens; or, it would lower the cost, ridding the public of what equates to a stress tax.

 

Violent crimes in this country would fall dramatically. People who are cocaine or users of other drugs will have an outlet that is much easier to get (after legalization) and could ease back on their use of far more destructive chemical drugs.

 

This would also be a good way to get some sort of tax money out of otherwise untaxed transients who use drugs and bed down on our streets. Some of this tax money could be allocated to provide more shelters to clean up our neighborhoods and get the underprivileged and under-achievers into a warm bed. Whether we like it or not, the homeless will always be a part of our society. It's how we deal with it that will be judged by future civilizations.

April 20, 2009
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dhs134

 

I'm actually a division 1 baseball player. World of warcraft, what is that? My downtime is very important to me, time to rest up and prepare. Don't judge me.

 

April 20, 2009
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Yes, legalize it and tax it

 

NEXT

April 20, 2009
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I love this topic - once again I'm going to hear a bunch of people that are likely sitting home not working or have crappy jobs tell me that pot should be legalized so that they can further lower their standard of living or do even less (if that is possible).  I've seen many many people that I know go down the path of pot....and then to coke....and then to crack...and then to nothingness.  Anyone who thinks it is a safe drug, but doesn't want to admit that it clearly leads to others is fooling themselves.  The fact that it is the first thing illegal on the drug scale (after cigarettes and alcohal) is why it has the chance to be the last stop on a path of self destruction.  Making it legal means that more will do it and then say "I'll try the next thing in line"...so the cycle to coke and others begins.  I'm also really tired of the "well I'd much rather be driving on the road with a stoner rather than a drunk argument"...How about this - I'd rather be on the road with neither.  Well, because idiocy usually wins out, it probably will be legalized...more people for me (and others) to bailout.

April 20, 2009
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Sm18,

   Hope you do succeed, i'll need that medicare (if the country is not bankrupt) paid by your taxes. If youre a looser im gonna have to work longer and pay taxes for your govt cheeze, so dont fu*k up my early retirement!

April 20, 2009
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Here in California, I have a legal marijuana prescription card. In the past I abused alcohol and cocaine, and I experienced severe weight loss. My marijuana prescription has greatly helped me overcome these obstacles. I am thankful it is legal in this great state of mine.

April 20, 2009
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Legalizing pot would not promote more use as it is readily available for anyone who wants it as it is. The only difference would be is we would gain that currency from the drug dealers. Anyone can brew there own beer but they don't so why would everyone start growing pot? You may have a few micro brewries here and there but so what? I don't see Budweiser whining about people making there own brew. The pros out way the cons so why are we debating this again? Is there such a thing as an angry Stoner?

April 20, 2009
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krm802-

 

I understand this argument, but understand that Republicans are becoming a minority party. The old white rich people are dying off and a new generation is taking shape. The more they talk, the more things backfire (eg. sm18).

 

And, hello, have you read these posts?

April 20, 2009
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lol @ jerryherb.  thats great

April 20, 2009
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sconners

It is difficult to grow with the right effects. Most people would grow "Ditch Weed" which will do nothing to you.

Look at Amsterdam, you can not grow it there and they do a lot of bussiness there.

Actually if anything I think LESS people would smoke it then. You woul dhave to go to a bar or a designated area where if you are there, everyone who passes by will know what you are doing there. The lawmakers, policemen, health care, these people (and there is more than people think) would have to "come out of the closet" and let us all know they smoke, they won't be able to hide in their own homes anymore.

April 20, 2009
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YES..legalize Pot...We have reached the "tipping point".

 

The impact on the economy, violence, national security the current cost of "enforcement" and the waste of other limited resources is far too high and it doesn't work.

 

Let's review the current laws, regulate and tax POT...DONE

April 20, 2009
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Yes!! Marijuana should be legal. We know for sure cigs will kill you. People die from Alcohol poisoning. You never hear a physician prescribing cigarettes or Alcohol. Of course Marijuana should be legalized. It’s really silly it's not.

April 20, 2009
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Northern California could supply organic grown in the USA labels. Money would stop going to the other countries criminal elements. A community grow where the poor patients can sign up for free cannabis. The overage could be sold for forty dollars an ounce to be split between the growsite sustainability and, the community for art/school/homeless programs. Consider Randolph Hearst laughing in his grave about his REEFER MADNESS going into the twenty first century. The irony is that it fueled NORML`s financial future. Stop the archaic cruel laws that send more people into the criminal world then any other. Take one hundred million people out of the criminal world and, what do you have? Nothing

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana should be legalized and decriminalized. However other "Manufactured" drugs should remain illegal until they can get a pharmaceutical company to do the manufacturing to ensure safety. Marijuana is a natural plant and has it's benefits. Cigarette's should be abolished and those companies outlawed and held accountable for all the deaths they have brought about. Alcohol is far worse to the body and the public in general on every level! Not that people should smoke before or during work, but it does take the edge off after a hard day's work, and is a good source of relaxation, and you don't have to smoke large quantities and be wasteful about it either people. A couple hits or puffs and all is nice and NORMAL! Legalize pot, and forget about the propaganda of the 20's and Aslinger and Hurst rhetorical comments.

April 20, 2009
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I think the only thing holding up the government from legalizing it is the fact that they dont have a way to Instantly detect it. Alcohol has the breathalyzer but there is nothing to detect marijuana. Yes you can detect it from a UA but you cant do a UA on the side of the road. Do you think the cops really care what you are doing in your own home...NO! They care about what you are doing on the road.

 

The day that they have a device that can instantly detect marijuana is the day it is legalized.

 

 

Oh and Amber75 you are a fool! "Wow, everyone on pot.  Let's see, got spine surgury next week, hope my surgeon didn't smoke pot the night before.  After that, I'm going on vacation, hope the pilot didn't roll a doobie during his break.  Gee, I'm in this cool store and can't find my jean size, wonder if that stinky deer eyed teenager over there could go in the back and see if they have my size, oh, I've got a court date for a traffic violation, gee where's my attorney?  Oh, he can't be here because he's stoned in his Lexus.  Honey, we haven't expressed our love for one another, oh rats!  Did you just fire up another bong??

 

Oh, John lost his job because he's stoned again.  I think John ought to sue his employer!  Look little Laura's pregnant again!  Oh, how sweet, look at that cute little doobie she rolled!  She's going to be a GREAT mom!"......

 

Amber,

   Just because someone smokes pot does not mean that they are high all the time! Are you Christian? Because if you are then you must be drunk all the time! That one sip of wine got you wasted until next Sunday...hahaha.

April 20, 2009
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realist1,

  We have good jobs, we're productive, we're just so good at what we do that we get everything done in 3 hours as opposed to 8. Its not our fault the requirements are so low and American companies/businesses require so little of us.

April 20, 2009
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1solution, I find your comment about Budweiser quite funny.  Competition from microbrewers is why Budweiser is no longer American owned.  Not that that fact has an impact on this issue.

April 20, 2009
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The person on the left is flat out lying, though she may not realize she is.  Marijauna has had many issues for hundreds of years, but in the US Marihuana or Marijauna was made illegal except under government license in 1937.

 

It has been used medicinally for thousands of years and is cultivated for recreational and chronic medicinal use in dozens of countries.  It was demonized by US law enforcement after Prohibition of Alcohol ended so they could "find a way to keep their jobs" according to many historians. 

April 20, 2009
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realist1, let me be neutral for a moment and consider what you wrote... ... ...

 

Our President, ex-Pres. Bush, ex-Pres. Clinton, history's most decorated Olympic champion all smoked marijuana. No.... I don't think their lives are doomed to nothingness. The truth is MOST people who use marijuana recreationally are hard-working, otherwise law-abiding, productive members of society who have no inclination to use crack, heroin, meth, or cocaine.

 

Most choose to use marijuana rather than getting drunk.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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I just have to say to the idiots that are saying that if they make it legal then smoke breaks will have to be longer because people will be too high too function........any responsible marijuana smoker would be just like any responsible alcohol drinker.  You don't drink during the day when you go to lunch, I'm sure some people do but you know what I mean.  This should be a recreational drug just like alcohol.  My husband used to drink alcohol and he is not a nice person when he does.  He now has chosen to smoke marijuana and is much more calm, always smiling and not so high strung.  It is more of a calming mechanism for him, just like prescribed Xanax may be for someone else.  Now drugs affect people differently.  I could smoke marijuana and it's lights out for me (sleep, sleep), my husband can smoke and he wants to go places and do things and conquer the world.  He is relaxed and in high spirits.  I can take a vicodine and I'm on fire, cleaning the house, color coding clothes in the closet.............he takes one and is down for the count.  So, not everyone that smokes will be lathargic, just like with anything else, you have to know what your limits are. It is all about responsibility.

April 20, 2009
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SConnors

 

I do not have any personal experience with marijuana.  Everything I know is from first hand accounts or from books or medical journals. 

 

It will only generate income if there is a way to regulate and tax it. But it cannot be done! Everybody can grow and sell it. Almost every single person does something to get a good at a cheaper price(example: generic brands instead of name brands). How do you tax and regulate someone who produces marijuana without the government knowing? It cannot be done.

 

Mexican drug cartels (using as much knowledge about them as I can muster. Admittedly not too much) will use their trafficking skills to bring their drugs at a cheaper price. We all know that people will go after the same product at a cheaper price; its human nature.

April 20, 2009
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I've never heard of anyone who has overdosed on marijuana - there are no documented cases.

 

Is anyone able to explain why was it was ever made illegal in the first place?

 

The only people dying from marijuana are people who are illegally dealing -- and the people who are trying to enforce these useless laws.  Legalize and regulate pot -- and put an end to these useless deaths and wasted taxpayer dollars while captializing on this huge tax revenue opportunity.  Obama will be happy, it will give him yet another  opportunity to make government bigger - except that this would actually be a worthwhile and profitable venture.

 

If the rationale for pot being illegal has anything whatsoever to do with health concerns, then in order to be consistent alcohol & tobacco must also be outlawed immediately as those substances have clearly been documented to be more damaging than pot.  We all know that will never happen, so why not legalize pot immediately?

April 20, 2009
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i agree that pot should be legal. if the government would take to pot that is in evidence and sell that it would help with the debt in america. it would also free up jail space and make room for the REAL offends. i personal dont smoke pot but i have in the past and i think that alcohol is much worse. Plus pot has a lot of medical uses, it would make it easier for people that need it. i think that it should have the same laws as alcohol and same punishment if used ilegally. 

April 20, 2009
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sm18

 

I'm sick of proving people wrong, so a little copy and paste action.

 

     

atlantica »

Rev

The government would have to make it worth it for people to but it. They're not stupid enough to inflate the price more than it is now. Look at Amsterdam. It's not completely legal, but the coffeeshops do pay legitimate taxes and offer product at a reasonable price. They have to, or people won't buy it. It's called a competitive market, and marijuana companies will have to compensate for the taxes.

50 dollars for a dime bag is a pretty out of control claim. Cultivating marijuana would be the same as cultivating premium tobacco, which would put a pack of joints around the same price. Even if you paid 20 dollars for a pack of marijuana cigarettes, considering each cigarette had .5 grams, you would be saving 80 dollars on the amount of the criminal's illegal pricing. Rough math, but I think that's right.

Weed for thought.

April 20, 2009
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After careful consideration I have decided to weigh in on the subject. 

 

The simple quesiton of should marijuana be legalized is an easy one with a one word answer - YES. 

 

In addition to some of the above comments, the bottom line is we need to generate revenue and get money flowing back through the American Economy.  There are several ways to do this, one of course is to have the government dole out cash (think tax credit of 2008).  While this helps, those accounts have to be replinished by something (think more taxes). 

 

I dont know much, but I now enough about this to say that legalizing Marijuana can actually be agood thing.  The religious right is the main objector.  Marijuana was initally criminalized by pundits who drew corolations between its use and imigrant populations (think mexican immigrants in california and the creole population of New Orleans). 

 

The only way to win the game of drug control is to control the ref.  Notice I didnt call it a war because it shoudln't be a war.  The American government made it a war. 

 

Marijuana is currently traded primarily by a black market with no control or taxes.  Its revenues arent tracked and quality control still is an issue.  Some experts are trying to draw a connection between marijuana and cancer when the truth is that when left alone, the plant is non-carcenogenic.  The impurities picked up through smuggling causes cancer (people taping bags to gaas tanks of cars, etc).

 

We have pressing need for more funding for public education and healthcare.  If we assume revenues of 1/2 that of tobacco or $2 billion the taxes alone would fund both public education and healthcare reform.  Not to mention bolstering a struggling farming industry. 

 

Bottom line, people who smoke marijuana are gogin to do so anyway.  People who dont probably arent going to start just becasue its legal.  We eliminate the black market, increase tax revenue and create jobs.  What could be more american?

 

As for the question of what to do about non-violent offenders of marijuana laws, its simple.  Grant administrative appeals.  Some will be cut and dry, some more difficult, but when have we been a society that cares about keeping people in jail for non-crimes?  There will be a systematic investment of time with reviewing these cases, but thats a small cost compared to the benefit. 

 

Oh, and with regards to the earlier comment about big tobacco lobbying against legalization its just false.  Phillip Morris has a facility with over 100k sf in Winston-Salem that they build for commercial rolling of marijuana cigarettes.  They cant sell it, they may as well use it... 

April 20, 2009
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JerryHerb

 

Looser? I am not. Loser? Probably. hahaha

I won't screw up, do not worry, I will make sure that my taxes will pay for your medicare. haha You can thank me now.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

   If i could buy it at a store i would not grow it. If i were to grow it, it would be for my own use, not for sale unless someone would pay me $5000 an ounce (it would be some good stuff and it would take me a lot of time) as it is not cost effective. Anyone who would grow it commercially would be taxed as you cannot hide (long-term) that kind of operation, and it would just make sense. Anyone can brew their own beer and liquor, do you see the number of liquor stores on your block going out of business? How many people do you know drink moonshine?

April 20, 2009
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Yes it should!  I choose to use it legally for my illness.  There shouldnt be any reason why not.  Like it has been said before I have yet to see an angry stoner, you have yet to hear ya, he robbed the liquor store cuz he needed money for pot....Alcohol kills ya, cigs kill ya, MJ is pure and not tampered with.  I know I will vote yes for its legalization

April 20, 2009
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I have a question for about marijuana use that I've never received a good answer for.  Given the availability of tobacco and alcohol, and the potential punishment for marijuana, why do people choose to smoke it?  Admittedly I have not smoked it, I am fine with a little alcohol.  But what is it about marijuana that is so great that so many people are willing to risk prison time?  It just doesn't seem logical, unless it really is an addictive substance.

April 20, 2009
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I can, and have, grown my own tomatoes in my backyard. But I tend to just buy them in the supermarket. It is easier and I pay taxes on those tomatoes I buy.

 

About stoners being lazy... please realize that some people are just lazy... whether they toke or not.

 

"It makes you stupid"... In the 70's I worked as an IBM mainframe operator. Smoke break consisted of a trip to the roof for us operators to share a joint. Since then, I have learned electronics, owned and operated a sucessfull electronics repair business, learned to program, designed and built shopping websites and catalogs. It does not make you stupid. Some people just are stupid.

 

Now I'm in my 60's and enjoy smoking a bit at the end of the day. Then I'll read a book, preferably on science or astrophysics, or enjoy playing a video game, or make passionate, long-lasting love to my mate.  Now tell me that's bad and I should be in jail for it.

 

America has botched every major issue we encounter, mainly because big money got in the way of sensible decisions. I don't expect the politicians to do any better on this one.

 

There is already way too much money being funneled to the "correct" places and the corporations are happy. Why rock the boat?

April 20, 2009
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Given our current economic situation this should be an easy answer.  Absolutely!  Aside from the millions in tax revenue, there is the addition of new jobs in the sales, manufacturing, and regulation.  Also as long as Alchohol is legal there is no good justification for marijuanna to be illegal.  This country needs to wake up and give the people the freedoms we have fought and died for time and time again.  Let's advance already, and legalize a product that never should have been made illegal in the first place.

April 20, 2009
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"When I was your age I was in the United States Marine Corps and yes....I was an idiot too.  It's not necessarily you.  All 19 year olds are idiots."

 

That says it all. Or to quote one of my favorite college professors who asked "Who is the smartest person in the world? Answer....an 18 year old college student. They know everything."

April 20, 2009
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of course weed comes from the earth! how many people die from drunk driving but how many people die from laughing all the damn time! i aint heard of no one! and from what i recall weed makes you smarter! and look at the richest man in the world possibly. Bill Gates! He smoked weed in his garage building a computer! damn i need a blunt!!!! LOLOL!

April 20, 2009
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The only two things marijuana prohibition ever told me are that my goverment is detached from reality and bereft of reason. Not exactly a confidence-builder, and I don't think I'm alone in this sentiment.

April 20, 2009
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sm18

It is hard to grow with the effects potheads want.

Most people will get "Ditch weed"

Just look at Amsterdam, they have some profitable hash bars, if the people could grow it there, I'm sure they would.

It really is hard.

April 20, 2009
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Boy, I'm amazed now many pot smokers there are in the U.S. Pot smokers beside  medical usage, use it to forget their troubles, depressions, anxieties, sadnesses, or just the fact of feeling high. Add that to DUI on the roads and you can expect a lot more death and injury.Then out prisons will be overloaded as it is now,it would be stepping back inot the Hippi days and flower child where kids and young adults would be constantly bumming around. Where people would use it on the job. Imagine a engine machanic would be working on an airline engine where you want to fly, after smking MJ? Or space projects, smoking is less visible to see then alcohol.

Hey, what ever floats your boat. It's the consequences that everyone has to except.

April 20, 2009
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New England Journal of Medicine did a study recently that shows once someone quits smoking pot all negative effects go away.  That can not be said for tobacco and alcohol.  That point is when talking about recreational drugs pot is the safest. Those studies you mentioned measure the effects of pot smoking not whether one is permanently effected by pot!  There is a distinction.  Also how old are the studies you cite and are those who completed the studies of the same caliber as the New England Journal of Medicine.

April 20, 2009
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Realist,

What you say may be true for some people.  Just like some people F-up and achieve a lower standard of living do to alcohol. 

 

But some of us don't, we are responsible, have careers, families, etc. and do not fall in the 'gateway' trap.  What gives you the right to tell me what I can and cannot do in my own home as a consenting adult?  You don't have that right.

 

Pick any topic, there are arguments for both sides; but in most cases the decision is left up to the individual be it guns, abortion, drugs, alcohol.  The list is endless.  The difference comes where 'what people do with the power of decision'?

 

You should have no sway over mine, or other's power of decision becasue of your PERSONAL veiwpoints.

April 20, 2009
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I've never heard of anyone who has overdosed on marijuana - there are no documented cases.

 

Is anyone able to explain why was it was ever made illegal in the first place?

 

The only people dying from marijuana are people who are illegally dealing -- and the people who are trying to enforce these useless laws.  Legalize and regulate pot -- and put an end to these useless deaths and wasted taxpayer dollars while captializing on this huge tax revenue opportunity.  Obama will be happy, it will give him yet another  opportunity to make government bigger - except that this would actually be a worthwhile and profitable venture.

 

If the rationale for pot being illegal has anything whatsoever to do with health concerns, then in order to be consistent alcohol & tobacco must also be outlawed immediately as those substances have clearly been documented to be more damaging than pot.  We all know that will never happen, so why not legalize pot immediately?

April 20, 2009
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Davetech, maybe I'll get an answer out of you.  Given the availability of alcohol and tobacco, what is it about marijuana that makes you willing to risk jail time?

April 20, 2009
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JerryHerb

 

I do not know anyone that drinks moonshine.  Okay, you won't distribute your personally grown marijuana, but that doesn't stop other people.

April 20, 2009
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Oh, and SM18 - your wrong too.  Your argument is the same as mexican tomato farmers.  To import any plant matter you would have to go through the FDA.  There isnt a big black market for any other produce, there wouldnt be one for weed either.  Supply and demand say that if its easier for someone to buy something from any numebr of sources, it becomes substantially less profitable to go around these sources. 

April 20, 2009
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YES IT SHOULD BE LEGAL. Not only would folks be MUCH NICER to eachother, a lot of aches, pains, and mental illnesses would be MUCH less severe. I can not understand WHY alcohol IS legal and pot is not. The effects of alcohol are far worse ~ not only on our physical health, but our mental health equally. Let's face it, the world is a very cruel place to live. Pot would make the world a much FRIENDLIER place.

April 20, 2009
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Cometguy,

   Its a novelty, its rebelious, as well as delicious. it is not physically addictive, psychologically yes, but no more than coffee or gum. try it.

April 20, 2009
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Cookt

 

How come? Why is it so hard to produce what the potheads want?

April 20, 2009
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I really don't know,it is such a simple question and one would think a simple answer, I suspect it is a little more complex than a yes or no, my instincts say yes, but the negative ramifications could be epic, then again alcohol is arguably worse, so, I will let the pot-smokers commenting on this board decide

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana absolutely should be legal.  It has wonderful calming effects. And in reality, IT IS A PLANT!! Why should it be regulated by the government? Why can a person grow tomatoes or parsley but not marijuana?  It also is a lot much better than alcohol, cigaretts or drugs. It is an herb with NO ADDITIVES. Is it not??? (I do not personally classify it as a drug.)

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is only a gateway drug because it is illegal. People start abusing harder drugs because the people they go to to get marijuana are also selling things like cocaine an ecstasy. If marijuana was available for purchase in a controlled store, people would not be as exposed to the harder drugs marijuana supposedly leads to.

April 20, 2009
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Sm 18 have you heard of liberty!

April 20, 2009
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Loudva2

 

No

April 20, 2009
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The bottom line is this, the gov't no longer serves the will of the people. That is extremely clear!

 

Do not expect any common sense from your politicians who do not live in reality (aka: the real world) yet dictate how you should live your life. You do know what is right for yourself, the gov't will decide that for you. And what is sad, alot of people are brainwashed to believe that. "But we need the gov't to help us"....no your gov't needs YOU, not the other way around. Help yourself! Wake up people!

April 20, 2009
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jerryherb, that's what I thought.  It's more of a rebelious thing than an effect thing.  So what happens when marijuana's legal?  And no thanks on trying it, a little alcohol suits me well enough, and it's easier to get ahold of.

April 20, 2009
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Mark 7:15  There is nothing outside a man that can defile him.

 

Meaning, if you are going to be a bum, or an addict, or a loser, you are going to be those things on your own.  Weed doesn't make you do anything.  I'm so tired of people posting their opinions and calling them facts.  If you have never smoked marijuana, don't post a claim saying that it should be illegal.  I don't comment on why smoking cigarettes should be legal or not because I have never smoked them.

 

Me personally, I would gladly shell out $20-$30 more to buy my weed from a legal "weed shop" rather than having to rely on a dealer who puts who knows what in the supply.  Legalize it, tax it, call it a day. 

 

And don't give me this how can we tax it BS, it is the same issue with tobacco.  It is "grown" in the ground, yet they seem to be able to tax it. 

 

No one should be able to tell you whether or not you can smoke a weed that is naturally occurring.  Forget the medical benefits, forget the amount of economic stimulus it would bring, forget taking money out of the hands of cartels....it is a WEED.  It comes from the ground, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

   Like is said, growing a few plants is not profitable (in a legal market). Commercially, it would only make sense to be a registered business to limit its cost and maximize revenue, and in turn to pay taxes.

April 20, 2009
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I am a daily smoker and have always fantasized about it one day actually becoming legal. No more feeling like a criminal, no more risking prison time to obtain a freakin PLANT. But your head isn't screwed on tight if you can't foresee some potential issues arising from the psychological impact "normalization" would have on minors. In my opinion a strictly enforced legal consumption age would need to be at least 25 to dramatically reduce the chances of a 17 year old getting their hands on it.

 

If it's not only much easier to get but now it's "okay" - you're going to have a lot more daily users in the middle and high schools, since Visine is legal in all 50 states last time I checked. Do we really want kids with lots of potential getting a debilitating psychological addiction (since it's not physiologically addictive) that they can't cope with near as well as an adult? So, if we can't keep it away from the youth, it may just be better to keep it "underground" as much as it hurts to say it!

 

(Insert comparisons to Japan here)

 

April 20, 2009
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Just legalize it, there are many far more important things  to be worrying about.

April 20, 2009
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Thank "Dupont" & "Hearst" for making marijuana illegal.  Hemp is a fiber that is very strong and the Navy use to use it for their rope.  It takes forever to wear out...That competed with Hearst paper and Duponts plastic so between the two of them...They lobbied the government to make it illegal.  There is a book out about this.  It is time for the government to legalize it, Hearst and Dupont are long gone. Lets make some money so they we, the average person can ask for a bailout..

April 20, 2009
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CMRATL

 

Very interesting and intriguing. But what happens when supply is low and demand is high? People will not pay the high prices like they do for gas (The dollar cannot stretch that far). What happens next? Possibly finding the next best, cheap thing?

April 20, 2009
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Should marijuana be legalized?  Ask Sarah Palin.  It's legal in Alaska.  It's legal in a few states but not taxed.  It doesn't seem to be causing problems in these states or is it?  Should we make illegal immigration legal and tax it?  Is the subject what should be legal or marijuana?  What kind of chaos would making cigarettes, war, pollution and alcohol illegal as well?  I'm not sure.  Let me get back to you on that.

It seems we have a lot of problems in the world, what is so bad about legalizing another taxable commodity?  Let's tax air.

 

April 20, 2009
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First off. Pause adriana71 exactly 6 seconds into her video. She looks high as insert your favorite explicit word. But anyway, I completely agree that marijuana should be legal. And to cometguy, marijuana is not an addictive substance. I think it's just something people like to do to chill out and I'm sure many people who do it, like I do, smoke privately in their homes. So that would also lower the risk of getting caught. It's not about fearing the consequences, it's about being responsible and enjoying your activities. I feel it should be legal, should be taxed, and should generally follow the same restrictions of alcohol. Many many people who enjoy pot use it responsibly. I think it's very rare for a person to think "oh, well pot's cool. So I might as well just snort some coke. Maybe inject some heroin. I don't know. See where the wind takes me." It doesn't make people want to break any other laws. As somebody stated above, most pot smokers respect all other laws. It's quite outrageous that a drug as harmless as marijuana is illegal, and I'm sure fast and snack food companies would echo that.

April 20, 2009
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dhs134 Well said!

April 20, 2009
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Wand09

 

"The bottom line is this, the gov't no longer serves the will of the people. That is extremely clear!

 

Do not expect any common sense from your politicians who do not live in reality (aka: the real world) yet dictate how you should live your life. You do know what is right for yourself, the gov't will decide that for you. And what is sad, alot of people are brainwashed to believe that. "But we need the gov't to help us"....no your gov't needs YOU, not the other way around. Help yourself! Wake up people!"

 

You are absolutely right! If any or our so-called "representatives" had the guts, they would call for a National Referendum on this issue. But then again, they are scared that it would pass overwelmingly. Then they would have no choice but to legalize....contrary to big business...talk about a rock and a hard place....

 

April 20, 2009
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JerryHerb,

 

If people can make a buck they will. They will do it by any means necessary. And what guarantees that a company would register legally?

April 20, 2009
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Whenever you prohibit or illegalize any good or service's market, you remove regulation and order, and create a black market. If something is illegal, then the providers of that good or service will no longer turn to litigation or the government for assistance when transactions go wrong- because they can't- they will turn to their only other option- violence.

 

Since it's quite obvious that the demand for marijuana is not diminishing anytime soon, the government not only SHOULD, but is essentially obligated to legalize this product (just as they did with alcohol), if for nothing else- then simply to prevent violence and loss of life.

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Legalize it....please legalize it.  The weed here in North Carolina comes primarily from Mexico. I have no want to support in any way the violence and damage it's causing in Mexico.  Besides....the weed here SUCKS!!!  I moved here from Massachusetts a year ago and my life has'nt been the same!  My weed in Massachusetts primarily came from Canada, was violence free, and was some unbelievably good weed!!!  I want to move back!  Weed is my medicine! I don't need your stupid xanex, valume, oxycontin, or a shrink to tell me I'm unstable!  All I need is a fat sack of some kind nug and I am a productive member in society,a loving caring father, a great provider for my family.  Whenever i feel overwhelmed, depressed I dont want to drown myself in a bottle of booze.  Alcohol and other legal drugs make me feel weird and unable to perform normal activities that I have no problem doing  during or shortly after smoking weed. Alcohol and other legal drugs destroy lives all day everyday.  Marijuana will have no bad affects on our society.  Marijuana was made illegal because a tree company would have lost money if hemp was mass produced.  From clothes to paper, cookies to pastries, medicine for upset stomach to medicine to help you eat, medicine to help some sleep to medicine to help get serious drug users addiction free......LEGALIZE MARIJUANA!!!

April 20, 2009
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The gateway theory is a bunch of bull. Isn't it more likely that people who smoke pot, and then move onto harder drugs, are simply the type of person who is prone to being a constant risk taker? If you were someone who threw caution to the wind all the time, despite the known risks, and wanted to try drugs...then you are probably going to try as many as you want. Doing marijuana first doesn't have a lot of meaning at that point.

April 20, 2009
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>>I've run into many an angry drunk.  I've yet to run into an angry stoner.  Legalization would be a good thing.

 

Can anyone say non-sequitor?

 

>>Given our current economic situation this should be an easy answer.  Absolutely!

 

Same here...

 

Riddle me this, batman.  What kind of ethics does it show, as a society, when we are willing to build our "civilized" infrastructure on the taxes collected by people slowly driving their way to a painful, cancer-induced death?

 

These discussions completely miss the mark.  Laws are always, read - ALWAYS, based on the normative values and mores of a society.  Therefore, if murder is considered to be wrong by those values, then we enact a law against it.  We don't some murder, and only go after the really, really bad ones.  There ALWAYS must be a line, otherwise laws are useless.  So answer this one for me - if pot is legal, where do we draw the new line?

 

This speaks nothing to the ACTUAL economics of the situation.  While time spend chasing bad guys might decrease by simply relabeling them as "OK", work ethic and public health go to absolute crap.  More missed time at work, more respiratory illness, less focus and attention.  What about the industrial aspects of it?  Do you really want a heavy-machinery or crane operator stoned out of his gourd?  I don't, but what right does a company have to test for such things when the law says it's ok?  So, now we've increased time off, increased respiratory problems, increased worker's comp and accidents... hmmm... what was that rule about every action having reactions?

 

Bottom line is this - if you really think that you can simply wave a magic wand, call it legal, and suddenly save a ton of money, then you're just flat naive.

April 20, 2009
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I think it is funny to have this debate because there are so many pot users that you would all be surprised. Police officers, military, lawyers, teachers, doctors and on and on and you would never know it and they would never admit it even if it was legal. All very sucessful people but just happen to like a hit once in a while much like people who like there night cap. Liver damage or calmed nerves, hmmmm. 

April 20, 2009
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SM18

They want that THC that is in the marijuana. If you just throw some seeds in the backyard, sure it will grow, but you won't get high from it.

You have to set up a room with Humidifiers, (it is grown in tropical places) fans, lighting that can be raised, it should be about 3 feet from the tops of the plants. you need the water and vitamins (Food) for it to grow right.

It takes a lot of work, a lot. At least living in the northern states.

April 20, 2009
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SM 18 maybe if you did you would feel differently. It's only the basis for the creation of our country.

April 20, 2009
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>>How many people are killed by drunk drivers?  How many people get cancer and die from cigarettes?

 

So... you're argument is that bad things already happen, so we should allow more of them?  Somehow, I don't think that's compelling.

April 20, 2009
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Cometguy,

   People would be less prone to try it, probably. Pot available at the store would be of controlled strength and not laced with adulterants. Initially it may seems as though its use increases, but it will be just that the people that already use it being more open about it. It will be taxed. 50% less people will be getting crammed in already overcrowded jails (at 30k annually a pop), and the funds can be used towards healthcare. Foreign and domestic organized crime will lose the revenue, which in turn will either 'weed' them out or make other substance price skyrocket (that is why all drugs should be legalized). 

April 20, 2009
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I find a lot of the comments in here quite interesting. While I fully support other's opinions....let's not be fooled here.

 

Government has a very small piece of the pie when deciding the fates. The government is controlled by a force much larger, and consisting of more than one group. Including Big Industry. Cashflows abound people; these are industries that make so much money we can't even imagine.

 

For those who indicated that legalizing would increase usership, don't plan on it. Those that use now, will continue to use. We have the young, the old, the in between, and the sick (who don't necessarily even get strong enough doses with medicinal).

Right now it's a dealer, and usually delivery or pick up is on the dealer's schedule.

If legalized, someone could pick it up on the way home from work, at their local store. No hassle.

 

Sure, the price will go up (or maybe not, depending on the going rate now). Will that stop people? No.

Underage users will continue to use, they'll either have a dealer (these probably won't go away), a friend that grows, or someone who goes to the store and buys them some.

Much like alcohol.

 

Alcohol and cigarettes have health risks. Marijuana, while not exclusively proven to have health risks, probably does in some way. But what doesn't? Eating too much salt or butter does too.

 

Legalization is long overdue. Stop benefiting other countries and benefit your own.

 

As a Canadian, it's slightly more lax here in the sense that walking down the street downtown with a joint won't usually get you busted - most times they ask you to put it out, or warn you to take it off the streets. Likely this is because it's a waste of their time to do anything else.

I commend the officers in these cases, they know that there are worse things they need to attend to (like a crazy drunk beating up people on the street), than someone smoking a joint on a saturday evening and not bothering anyone.

 

I would like to see it legalized here too. But of course, as in everything, I'm sure our government is waiting for the US to do it first, so we don't piss anyone off by taking the step beforehand.

April 20, 2009
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I'm all for legalization, BUT as much as I would like it to be, (for the numerous medical reasons), I've come to the conclusion that there are too many big money, big politic people in the U.S. who fell that they are gonna lose their precious nest eggs for it to happen. Despite evidence to show that there wouldn't be any huge sociological damage, the big wigs just won't let it happen. The voice of America has spoken on plenty of occasion's for it's legalization, but our leaders ABSOLUTELY don't care what we have to say.

April 20, 2009
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I want to share with you some opinions from some law enforcement professionals that have organized a group of fellow law enforcement professionals who want to inform the public on how to effectively fight the war on drugs. These are people who have dedicated their lives in fighting our losing war on drugs, so their opinions should carry some weight and truth.

 

COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!

ASK US WHY

After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!

 

The stated goals of current U.S.drug policy -- reducing crime, drug addiction, and juvenile drug use -- have not been achieved, even after nearly four decades of a policy of "war on drugs". This policy, fueled by over a trillion of our tax dollars has had little or no effect on the levels of drug addiction among our fellow citizens, but has instead resulted in a tremendous increase in crime and in the numbers of Americans in our prisons and jails. With 4.6% of the world's population, America today has 22.5% of the worlds prisoners. But, after all that time, after all the destroyed lives and after all the wasted resources, prohibited drugs today are cheaper, stronger, and easier to get than they were thirty-five years ago at the beginning of the so-called "war on drugs". With this in mind, we current and former members of law enforcement have created a drug-policy reform movement -- LEAP. We believe that to save lives and lower the rates of disease, crime and addiction. as well as to conserve tax dollars, we must end drug prohibition. LEAP believes that a system of regulation and control of production and distribution will be far more effective and ethical than one of prohibition. We do this in hopes that we in Law Enforcement can regain the public's respect and trust, which have been greatly diminished by our involvement in imposing drug prohibition.

 

You can check out their website at http://leap.cc

Be sure to inform yourselves on the facts. Here are some more websites with information regarding marijuana and the war on drugs.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/

 

My opinion from reading your posts is that I see a large percentage of people who are no longer being fooled by the lies our government has been giving us about marijuana. The laws are classified as Health and Safety laws and under the same premise that marijuana is dangerous (NOT!), then alcohol and tobacco should also be illegal. We tried making alcohol illegal once before and we failed because organized crime was getting too powerful and people wanted their alcohol regardless of the law. The laws will not stop people from drinking or smoking. The laws just create greater problems than the drugs themselves.

 

We need to be educated on the facts and stop voicing our opinions based on our beliefs. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. There is no scientific evidence of this. Those who believe this should seek the facts and they will find out there is no evidence. It's time we wake up and know and speak the truth.

April 20, 2009
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ChuckB - come stonger than that. 

 

RevPoopie - seriously?  You have to come up with a better screenname than that. 

 

To those who think people will grow it themselves is the same as people who brew their own beer, or grow their own vegetables.  Not a very big portion of the population.  If they get good at it, then they commercialize like Sam Adams. 

 

As far as other arguments about stoners being unmotivated.  Sometimes this is true, just as alcoholics being wastes or fat people being lazy.  Generalizations only hurt the situation. 

 

As far as the comment about Gateway legislation this is the most obsurd.  I am a conservative myself, and believe in less government whenever possible.  This is a great opportunity to reduce the government funds needs to monitor something without it giving back.  Most smokers I know, dont even like to drink alcohol or consume other drugs.  You wanna know a gateway drug - heroin.  Heroin addicts are likely to try something else in its place.  Since pot is non-addictive if people dont have, cant afford it, or can't get it they simply go without.

April 20, 2009
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i dont care what any of you think about pot, all i know it a effed my girlfriend last night while she sleep and it felt great

April 20, 2009
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I don’t know if Adriana is a total propagandizer    OR a total moron. It pot gave men ED, then  why are old Rasta in Jamaica still chasing young girls? As far as a gate way drug. Snickers bars are more of a gate way to obesity, as I am sure miss Adriana Maxwell is aware…..I am sure she is the kind of mother that tells  their sons they go blind if they Jerk off…, her  argument is totally baseless.

April 20, 2009
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I don’t know if Adriana is a total propagandizer    OR a total moron. It pot gave men ED, then  why are old Rasta in Jamaica still chasing young girls? As far as a gate way drug. Snickers bars are more of a gate way to obesity, as I am sure miss Adriana Maxwell is aware…..I am sure she is the kind of mother that tells  their sons they go blind if they Jerk off…, her  argument is totally baseless.

April 20, 2009
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krm802 if you was a preacher i would go to church with 6 blunts in my mouth saying speak me white brother and im black that is so true obama want legalize marijuanna after all i believe that he would but u would see them ropes come out at obama for doing that man it is so bias. republicans need to be eliminate.

April 20, 2009
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Adriana's arguments tend towards the old school scare tactics behind the conspiracy to criminalize marijuana in the first place. She lacks the actual facts necessary to argue her point. Marijuana is mistakenly, or at least misleadingly, classified as a narcotic by the federal government. As a recreational or medically effective drug it does not fit into that category.  Also, her hint towards males staying away from marijuana are not medically or scientifically proven and doctors who promote those ideas should consider themselves quacks.  Legalizing marijuana as a drug would be the tip of the iceberg as far as being beneficial. Taxation of the drug would help pull the economy out of the toilet, but the real benefit to the economy would be through the industrial uses of hemp.  Hemp-based fuels and the oil from seeds would go far to make us independent of Arab nations for oil and derivatives and would allow the sustainable U.S. "family farm" to thrive once again.  My argument, thus, comes full circle since the industrial uses for hemp are the real reason for marijuana's criminalization in the first place.  This has been well documented and can be easily researched.  Please do so before you, like Adriana, spew untrue facts that promote panic and fear that have made generations fear this very useful substance.

April 20, 2009
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well alcohol related deaths are like in the 100 of thousands right? so how many people have died from pot? i live in california and i got into a car accident in fl now im gonna get my medical cannabis card for my neck and back pain. im 22 and i feel like my life is over.

 

it really makes a difference in my pain. i think it should be legalized then i would be more willing to get a job if i wasnt criminalized and villified for smoking pot in MY FREE time. police treat me like a criminal for what? weed? its like they dont care about people killing and raping and stealing. get the pot heads right?

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

   I guess you could strive to become the "pot growing operation" chief of enforcement. You can then make sure that they are registered. Last time i checked there were no huge seizures of alcohol in the country because if you can do it legally then why the hell not? They do make a ton of money right? legally? and pay taxes?

April 20, 2009
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@ cometguy...

 

You asked why I would run the risk of smoking pot rather than just drinking legal alcohol. 

 

Because pot makes me feel happy. Alcohol makes me sad. Alcohol attacks my liver. It gives me a hangover. If drunk, I can't get interested in a book or a video game, and I may not be able to "get it up" for lovemaking.

 

Alcohol is simply not an enjoyable experience for me compared to pot. The next day after smoking a bit I wake up refreshed. Now, note that I am not one to smoke til you drop. Usually two three tokes will do me. Moderation is the key. And it should be my right to choose.

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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tom3212-

 

I understand what you are saying, but teenagers will smoke whether it's legal or not. It's easier to get something from a friend than it is to get a fake ID or get someone to buy alcohol for a minor. There will be older people who buy it for teens, but it will not be their peers pushing it on them, potentially suggesting harder drugs.

 

Actually, "normalization" will take the thrill out of doing something illegal. Teens are rebellious in their nature, and usually don't care about the consequences of their actions. We need more people in college, and denying young people education because of their "mistakes" is extremely counterproductive. Not to mentioned the money wasted, etc.

 

Developing brains are no doubt negatively affected by pot, yet teens will be rebellious until the taboo is lifted on a safer alternative to alcohol. I would rather have the teens of our country smoking than binge drinking, which many parents let their teens partake in. Education is key, and the system needs to be honest about the "dangers" of marijuana.

April 20, 2009
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jerryherb, that's right, but what concerns me is where all the rebellious pot smokers go next to rebel?  If they stay in the drug area, there's not a lot left out there that's not seriously harmful to your health. 

April 20, 2009
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Loudva2

 

Our nation was not born based on liberty. Or equality for that fact.

 

Cookt

 

Very interesting, but plausible. Even up here in the northern states. It just takes work. And like previously said, people will do anything to make a buck if the opportunity is presented.

April 20, 2009
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I don’t know if Adriana is a total propagandizer    OR a total moron. It pot gave men ED, then  why are old Rasta in Jamaica still chasing young girls? As far as a gate way drug. Snickers bars are more of a gate way to obesity, as I am sure miss Adriana Maxwell is aware…..I am sure she is the kind of mother that tells  their sons they go blind if they Jerk off…, her  argument is totally baseless.

April 20, 2009
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You are flat retarded if you think it should be legalized.  Talk about the typical democratic handout.  You think that all the people out there that aren't doing anything to further their life, by pursuing jobs and a family, is going to have any more motivation if they can now legally sit around and get high?????  You think legalizing weed will make everyone all of a sudden want to work harder, which Obama is calling for?

 

You are flat stupid, just flat stupid.

April 20, 2009
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WShelt0n- you cant be drunk on the job- why would being high be any different.. it's still considered being intoxicated.. and those who did it would probably be fired..

 

p.s.- our government commits murder every single day.. even though YOU cant kill someone.. the prison system certainly can.. and our soldiers can as well.. our normative values from which our laws are based are really kind of sketchy and hypocritical..

April 20, 2009
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Davetech, thanks for your response.

April 20, 2009
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Marijuana is as easy to grow as a tomato plant. It can be taxed and regulated if done right. People want the best available product, a grading system. Just like the grading process the government uses for meat. I could have cattle if I want but I'm going to pay for USDA Prime. The notion that rouge growers would undermine the system is off base. The margin for profit on marijuana is far less that cocaine and heroin, if it were readily available the cartels would have no need to risk losing money importing marijuana. Most of the time when a 10,000 kilo marijuana bust happens at the border 100,000 kilos of cocaine and heroin are moved over the border while our backs are turned.

April 20, 2009
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hearatsong.

That was very nice, and you put the sources.

BRAVO!!!

April 20, 2009
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Im a member of Davetech smoking crowd. Puff, puff then i gotta go to park, party or my studio :)

April 20, 2009
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Today, listening to this thread, I am embarassed to consider myself an American.  I was under the impression we had more sense than this. Wow...

April 20, 2009
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SM18 - The problem you propose wouldnt exist.  If marijuana is produced commercially it becomes less expensive to produce for large scale producers, and more profitable for them to produce more.  If it were grown legally, the cost to produce more is dramatically decreased since the infrastructure for production already exists.  The market will normalize itself.  When the suppliers start seeing inventory pile up, they will slow production.  When the cost goes so high that deman falls they will adjust accordingly.  The same principles apply to any other product.  In cars, demand dropped while prices were high.  Manufacturers decreased procution and lowered prices to increase demand.  As incentory is bled, prices are adjusted on a microeconomic scale to find the point if intersection between price and demand.  Buyers have more control over this than they think. 

April 20, 2009
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Wshelton the point is bad things do not happen because of pot smoking to nearly the degree of alcohol and cigs.

If you care about Liberty, fairness is key to a society that embraces Liberty.  So if our society allows for the sale of drugs that are bad for you because of lobbing and political pressure, then keeping other drugs that have been proven not bad for you, as in it won't kill you, illegal is not fair or just.  So I believe the arguments deemed by you not compelling are, in fact compelling, if you give a rats ass about the constitution.  I guess you have all the liberty you want so f everyone else.

April 20, 2009
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Yes!!!!  The war on drugs has cost us billions and done nothing.  Most of the people I know who smoke, have no interest in any other drug except alcohol.  Most of them grow their own and are upright responsible citizens.  Perhaps we need to get ALL of our Senators and Congress people stoned and then they might just get it.  Wonder how many of them secretly smoke weed.  The war on drugs is definitely one program Obama can dump and save us taz payers billions on wasteful spending.  Just say no to idiotic politicians being elected.

April 20, 2009
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SM18, Please shut up, because you're making college students look bad. We can all see that you're not only completely ignorent of the topic at hand, but you're borderline retarded. The antilegalization laws in place today are completely paternalistic, and while some laws of this nature are for the overall good of the general public, I can only guess that they are still in place because of fears of extreme backlash. I would personally hate to see a farmer lose all their crop because of conservative extremeists who demolish others' property. Theft would also be an issue. If something like this would have a chance at happening, it would have to be government issued and graded and distributed. Just like cigarettes, there could even be different brands and prices. California should try it first, since they seem most open to it.

April 20, 2009
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Jerryherb

 

I'm just presenting my point to match yours.  I don't know much about moonshine, except for the period of time during the Prohibition. I'll take your word on it that it moonshine is still produced today. Just one last question. Some people that use marijuana consider themselves rebels (since it's currently illegal). If marijuana is legalized, where do these rebels turn?

April 20, 2009
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Here is the real reason pot has not been legalized yet...they do not have a road side test to see if you are under the influence of pot.  When the test is developed, then it will legalized.  Thank about that!

April 20, 2009
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I vote No. Pot makes you lazy and drowsy. If it does become legal, a lot of people will start coming to work high, not like they don't anyway, and just like being drunk at work is dangerous, same goes for being high, it's dangerous. If you get high enough, you start blacking out and don't remember things which isn't good either. I think smoking should be banned as well, seeing how it's not beneficial to anybody and just hurts your body and leads to cancer.

April 20, 2009
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It is wrong! Why the heck is your argument that since people do it, it should be legalized.  Ive seen weed ruin many peoples lives.  If you think that people being allowed to be high all the time would be good, your crazy.....

 

So if you have brain surgery, its ok for your doctor to be high?

If you get in a car accident, what if all the ambulance drives just got done smoking?

 

You will say, "But DJ, we will just make it illegal for working people to be high at work...."

And now we are back to where we are now.....

Think about this people....

April 20, 2009
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Cometguy,

   I see a revival of punk... i dont know dude, what got on your parents nerves when you were growing up, kiss? Marijuana is a small aspect rebellion of kids against their parents. Like i said, i think everything should be controlled (for purity amongst other things) and taxed accordingly. Main focus should be on prevention and treatment rather than incarceration.

April 20, 2009
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CMRATL

 

You said that marijuana can only be harvested once a year. I don't know so I am asking, can it be stored and still retain the same side effects even after being harvested 5 or 6 months before the selling date?

April 20, 2009
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cooperzig-

 

Uh, blacking out?

 

Search alcohol on Google. I think that's what you're looking for.

April 20, 2009
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Legalize and regulate.

 

1.)21 years of age

 

2.)Licensed shops

 

3.)Taxed by percentage of THC strain

 

4.)Zero tolerance at or during work as well as driving.

 

Take all this money we are giving to criminals and turn it into American profit. We are spending millions of dollars on a billion dollar crop.

April 20, 2009
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bonanza, the police can detain you for 24 hours without being charged.  So if they suspect you to be high, the can detain you.

April 20, 2009
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Those who oppose marijuana don't understand it. Unfortunately, that is most of the people in this country.

 

It is less harmful than alcohol and the effects leave you in better control. You can dismiss the effects of pot when needed, but you cannot do that with alcohol. I don't think people should drive and use marijuana, but should be allowed to use it in the privacy of their own home.

 

Also, marijuana is one of the cartels biggest cash cows. Take that away and you strike a big blow. I would say more people are getting killed by cartel violence than by people using marijuana.

 

So....

 

Legalize marijuana and save lives!

April 20, 2009
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Let's also not forget that humans have evolved towards use of pot.  There are specialized receptors in the nervous system that only accept THC.  We are supposed to use marijuana!  Again, look it up if you think you need to argue with me about it!

No artificial or manufactured substance that your doctor prescribes can compete with that fact!

April 20, 2009
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Sm 18 Can you please be more of an idiot. I'm very entertained.

April 20, 2009
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SM18

No experience means you have no basis for a comment so

you can stop now and go throw a ball.

April 20, 2009
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SM18,

read my last comment. I dont know much about growing pot either, thats why i would buy it and get my ass severily taxed while doing so. But i would know what im buying.

April 20, 2009
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jerryherb, I never actually had to rebel against my parents.  As a middle child, I was lucky if they could get my name right on the first try, haha!  Err, well, I guess you could say that I rebelled against the rebellious ways of my parents by not being rebellious.

April 20, 2009
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That is false.  Marijuana can be harvested more than one time/year.  I have'nt grown myslef, but I know that commercial facilities in europe produce a continuous harves by changing light patterns.  To answer your questions about storage, if vacumed sealed it will keep in a cool storage facility for a LONG time.  Longer than it would take to sell through legal outlets. 

April 20, 2009
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Loudva2

 

You are an idiot. Learn to appreciate and grow from others opinions instead of being shallow.

 

Spectored

 

On the bus to the game. Stuck in traffic and had nothing better to do.

 

JerryHerb

 

Good point on your last comment.

April 20, 2009
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Hunting down peaceful and completely harmless pot smokers costs money and is just simply harmful. Since the whole business is illegal AND VERY profitable, it is promoting all sorts of criminal activities. Just look at the gang wars in Mexico, prostitution, the (dangerous) hard drugs have a readily available pipeline for distribution, etc.

Ban tobacco, legalize pot.

 

April 20, 2009
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All people do in this country, is do something they shouldnt, get addicted to it, and then press for the rules to be changed because now they are addicted.

 

-You werent supposed to smoke weed, and now you are addicted so you want to legalize it.

-Gay maarriage was banned, but you decided to do it, and now you want the rules changed.

-Getting into debt was a bad thing, but now that you have gotten into debt, you want someone to bail you out.

-You complain about taxes, but now you want to legalize something, and have the Gov put taxes on it....

-You know sleeping around causes babies, but you slept around anyway, and now you want the rules changed so you fix your mistake.

 

Rules are in place for a reason. Stop breaking rules, and making excuses of why the rules need to be changed.  If everyone in this country used their heads, this wouldnt even be a thread of converstaion.  No legal weed. period

April 20, 2009
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If weed is what you need then later you will be hooked on something like Speed. Because once you get tired of that high, you will want to fly on a bigger and better high. So please don't trip...cause Hip is Hip...go ahead and say we should smoke, you will see smoke coming out of young folks, passing in class and not the grade, cause that will surely fade.  Besides who wants weed Taxed like bread and milk, next thing you know a dime snack will be high as silk.  We need to just stop that weed from coming up from down south, like weed should be legal coming out your mouth.  Yeah we need the money, but if Obama trys that, he will be 100 miles and running.  So lets try and do it like the old school and invent something to sell to other countries instead of being a big pot smoking country FULL of junkies.....

April 20, 2009
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Bonanza

Here is the real reason pot has not been legalized yet...they do not have a road side test to see if you are under the influence of pot.  When the test is developed, then it will legalized.  Thank about that!

 

How about if they see a empty bag of dorritos in your posession than they know you're high ( ;

April 20, 2009
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stop rhyming its sooooo annoying.

April 20, 2009
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DJ2986

 

So you also advocate the immediate ban of alcohol & tobacco?

April 20, 2009
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CMRATL

 

It wasn't you, someone else said it was only harvested once a year. Do you know how often it can be harvested in the US? Shipping from Europe is expensive, haha

April 20, 2009
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DJ2986. You must watch WAYYYYY too many movies and TV to honestly believe the propaganda that marijuana makes everyone who smokes it too lazy to work. I know plenty of people who smoke and have jobs, show up for work on time at said job and are model employees. Now I will point out that there are some people who just can't handle smoking pot and those same people let it ruin their lives. But do they need to go to jail?. No they need help. The same as an alcoholic, the same as someone addicted to food or gambling. Keeping marijuana illegal isn't going to stave off those wanting or especially needing it. Whoever wants to smoke it will get it whoever doesn't want it will still not want it. Those on the fence so to speak should have the right to be able to responsibly decide for themselves without fear of johnny law dragging them out of their house and escorting them to the local pokey.

April 20, 2009
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Mrs Howe is a cow

April 20, 2009
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and how about the cloud of smoke coming out of your window when you roll it down to greet the officer? That should count? Everyone acts like pot has no smell, and no side effects, and nobody notices except you drool on yourself.

April 20, 2009
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Have you ever seen the legal definition of marijuana? It is an entire paragraph, with subparts and exceptions, in the CSA. Look up Section 802, Item 16.

 

Everyone should just tell their congressman to change the definition of marijuana to be "all parts of the smoke produced by the combustion of the plant Cannabis Sativa L."

 

Then regulation of the plant goes to the States; children, conservatives, liberals, and officials will know exactly what marijuana is; and the ideals promised in the Preamble of the US Constitution will be engendered for all the world to witness.

April 20, 2009
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wechanged is deranged.

April 20, 2009
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legalpotnow

 

1. I hate tobacco and think it should be gone.  Its proven to cause so much cancer, but all people do is complain about how we have not figured out how to cure cancer yet.  Again, another going back to my point of where you smoke cigs, even tho you know it causes cancer, and then all of a sudden you get cancer, and now you want someone to cure it.  WHy not just NOT SMOKE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

2.Your argument is that beer causes more hard tham weed, BECAUSE WEED ISNT LEGAL.  you are ignorant to think that legalizing weed will cause people to be "responsible users"  We cant even responsibly use alcohol, why in the heck do you think people would responsibly use weed???

April 20, 2009
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With separated indoor growing rooms, You can clone plants in one room and bloom in another to get a harvest every 6 weeks for good drugs.  The industrial stuff takes a bit longer, but you can still get at least two crops of that per year.  After all, it is a WEED!

April 20, 2009
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Americans are not responsible enough for an all out legalization of marijuana.There are several things that must happen first to pave the way for the legalization of marijuana:

 

1) We must come up with a way to test if a person is high while driving. We have the breathalyzer to test for drunk driving but we have nothing for marijuana. Blood and urine tests will show if marijuana is in an individuals system but we cant really determine if they were high while driving.

 

2) Punishments for other drugs such as cocaine, meth, and others must increase in severity. This will help to ease Americans concerns that marijuana is a gateway drug and legalizing it will lead to an all out abuse of other such drugs.

 

3) Punishments for irresponsible use of marijuana must be established. We cannot have people showing up high to work. Would you want your doctor high when they were examining you I think not.

 

4) It MUST be goverment regulated. Can you imagine if we just said marijuana was legal without any goverment regulation on where you could buy some. Violence would skyrocket as gangs fight for prime selling territory.

 

5) The legal age of consumption must be 21. We cannot have kids showing up to high school stoned.

 

Following these guidelines I dont see why someone getting off work shouldnt be able to enjoy a smoke in the privacy of their home.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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To be honest I think the World is waking up about the misconceptions of Marijuana and or Cannabis.

Here in the US we are finally seeing more and more news on the subject. I, for one, am very happy to see this going on.

What makes me unhappy is that one of the main reasons why this subject is on the lips of everyone, is because of the Cartel Violence that has spilled over into the US.

It is obvious that, we as a society wait until there is bloodshed to do anything constructive about the problem.

We do not learn from our mistakes, prohibition failed before, it has failed again.

We have taken hard working, respectable people and turned them into criminals for what past and current presidents have openly admitted to doing.

As far as the debate, I would like to see both side concentrate on the FACTS.

It upsets me that adriana71 said if it were legal, everyone would be in a stupor.

What upsets me about that comment is that she implied to group all supporter or users in the same group. The "Stoner" group.

 

I personally do not like grouping anyone together. IE: All Blacks are criminals, All whites are racist, All people from the middle east are terrorists.

What I do not think people realize is that as it stands right now, it is easier for anyone to buy marijuana than cigarettes or alcohol. On top of that, there is no check on quality.

That means, it is easier for our children to get marijuana than cigarettes or alcohol.

If it were treated the same, anyone who sold to a minor, would be prosecuted severely.

I also think that the illegality of marijuana promotes its use, instead of discouraging it.

I mean honestly, if it were legal, do you think there would be any weed songs or movies? Perhaps a few, similar to alcohol but no longer as hip as it is.

 

Anyway, this is my biased opinion. I say biased because I have seen first hand how prohibition has ruined people's lives. I have not seen the other side.

 

Thanks,

T.

 

April 20, 2009

I grew up in the state of Maine and lived there until I was 27 years old. In the factory that I worked in, let's put it this way, if they had drug tested those people there wouldn't have been a workforce left. They smoked on breaks and lunchtime. Weed was everywhere. I stopped smoking it nine years ago. I think there's a lot of stigma and a lot of misinformation surrounding this drug. I did well in school and college. I've always held a job and I have a fairly good career going for me to this day. From 1987-2000 I was stoned much of the time while doing all of the above. Granted, the affects vary from person to person but I think the government is still projecting the archaic "Reefer Madness" black and white movie version of the facts.

April 20, 2009
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People, people, people. If they do decide to legalize weed, that doesn't mean that people can go to work high. Can you go to work drunk??? NO. I don't think so, not where I live anyway. Am I living in the wrong city where you can go to work drunk? Pshh. C'mon now. Really? I completely agree that weed should be legalized. I agree with many of the previous posts that are for legalizing it. By the way, I don't believe that weed is a gateway drug. I've smoked and have never touched, nor have I even thought about doing any other kind of drug. I smoke to just chill and relax.

April 20, 2009
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deadheadEd

 

You really think that legalizing pot, will cause all americans to use it responsibly?  Why in the heck cant you just not smoke? What is SO HARD about not doing something that is ILLEGAL. 

April 20, 2009
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sm18

it will keep for a year in the freezer

good luck with the game , you starting

 

April 20, 2009

Pot should be legalized but not all drugs.  It hurts the pot leagalization crusade when people say legalize cocaine and crystal meth too.  That makes folks not want to legalize anything. Can you imaging cocain being legal.  what a disaster that would be. a thousand people would die every day.  Pot(the nector of the gods) should be leagel, cocaine etc, NO!

April 20, 2009
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I hope the Gov tracks all you fools who are sitting here chatting about how cool it is to smoke weed and grow it.

April 20, 2009
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We would save billions in Law enforcement costs alone.

Opens new legal jobs for many people to pursue. Income in form of taxes for the government.

It's been legal for thousands of years with no problems. When it became illegal is when people started dyeing over it. This is a good example of government making law abiding citizens into criminals with out good cause or data to back them up.

If the main goal is to make everybody perfect “Stepford wife’s” The puritans were right. We don’t all want to be perfect in everyway and in fact nobody is perfect. So why does the law expect everybody to be perfect which is unattainable. Quality of life is so much more important.

Legalize NOW!!!

 

April 20, 2009
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Does anybody else think it's appropriate that a guy named Jim Morrison is on the side of legalization?

April 20, 2009
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"The war on drugs hasn't done anything"

 

Well, actually it has.  It has made a lot of people rich (think lawyer for instance), and has provided a lot of jobs. It has gone on long enough to be an entrenched part of our economy and that is going to provide a lot of resistance to change. It will take a huge movement to change it.

 

April 20, 2009
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Spectored

 

Interesting..

Yes I am. Starting at DH today. Normally I play first but I'm getting the "day off."

April 20, 2009
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Yes! Tax it and pay for free Health  Care for all Americans.

April 20, 2009
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DJ,

 

I was never consulted when the rules were drafted. 

 

Take all of your anti-weed talk and insert the word alcohol or tobacco and then re-read it.  What if my surgeon was drunk on alcohol, what if the ambulance driver was under the influence of alcohol? 

 

Let me just say this, if I didn't think that it would help to legalize marijuana, there is no way I would want it taxed.  I'm not an idiot, I don't want to throw away my money.  However, if it aids in the case of legalization, tax the hell out of it.  I would much rather pay an inflated price from a legal "dealer" than pay Joe Pusher around the corner.

April 20, 2009
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I have never smoked pot but I was strung out on heroin and methamphetimines for 40 years. My gateway drug? Alcohol. Every addict I know that has gotten clean knows they can't drink because they will immediately want to do drugs...but alcohol is legal! Alcohol IS the biggest gateway drug yet it's still legal. This argument is all about the money, as with everything else.

April 20, 2009
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Im done wasting my time with you ignorant people. So much is wrong with this country, and all you want to do is legalize a drug, like it all just ends there.  Like that wont lead to other taxes or gov regulation.  Like it wont lead to deaths, or decisions made under the influence of weed that someone didnt mean to make.  I dont care who you are or what you say, if you sit here and tell me you were a "good citizen" and a "hard worker" and "made good grades in school" while you were high the whole time.... then you just got lucky you didnt make a mistake.  AND IF YOU HAD GOTTEN CAUGHT, let me guess, you would have had 3 reasons why it wasnt your fault... when you were the one to make the decision to smoke.

You want to take an illegal substance, and legalize it, but make it illegal in some situations... dont you know that doesnt work with this country....

Why you ask??? because of the people who are on this thread chatting. It takes brains to make the decision to not do drugs, and it seems like most of the people on this right now dont have what it takes.

April 20, 2009
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Of course it should be legal. Look at Amsterdam where you can buy it in coffee shops.. now lets compare there crime rate to ours. The smokers will be so laid back who wants to get up and rob a bank?? Most crimes committed for drugs are hardcore ones. Crack whatever. Do you read about the pot head who couldnt get his fix and robbed granny after beating her? Nope didnt think so

April 20, 2009
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four 20

 

That is a false comment.

Lets just instert all words in my statement and legalize everything.  Lets legalize speed and cocaine while we are at it.  We could create taht stuff and tax the heck out of it. We will just make it illegal for the working man to use it. Problem solved... Drugs are now legal, but the working man cant use them...

 

Arent we trying to turn this country for the better of the working man? Seems like this is all going against those that work for what they have, not waste their lives doing drugs.

April 20, 2009
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DJ,

 

Did Marijuana hurt you?  You can tell us, you don't have to be afraid anymore. 

April 20, 2009

it seems like someone lost his burqa, and has nothing good to say about americans. I'll give him 100 virgins to jump off a cliff.

April 20, 2009
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Now that I have made you feel stupid, you are taking personal shots.  Typical.

Weed in NO WAY, motivates someone to go out and work hard and be successful.  How would it benefit the country?

April 20, 2009
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All toked up and ready for some pop-tarts!!!

 

I do find this topic quite amusing, especially the comments made by the SMALL number anti-marijuana posts. The most amusing part however is the snippet of comments made by Adriana. Unfortunately nothing this woman has said even resembles a logical argument...

 

 

1. Her argument is VERY WEAK! Seriously did she even bother to research this topic or did she simply pull out some "facts" from some 40 year old study used to impose irrational legislation and penalties on marijuana? According to her marijuana was criminalized because it's a stepping stone to harder drugs (I will address this later). Pot was initially criminalized due to racial tensions in the South-Western United States - specifically targeting Mexican-Americans (1910-1920). It was further demonized as some doctors began publishing papers claiming marijuana can turn normal ordinary people into raving lunatics (1920-1940) - eventually spawning the movie "Reefer Madness."

 

2. The correct term is "decriminalize" not "legalize". Our justice system does not allow for making a particular act "legal", only illegal.

 

3. Assuming that it won't help the economy because everyone will be in a "stupor" is completely irrational. There are plenty of drugs readily available that can be abused or even used responsibly to obtain a particular high. Just because a drug is available does NOT indicate everyone is going to immediately go out and start using it. If you ask most politicians if decriminalizing pot will help the economy they'll say no. Ask an economist who has actually researched the data and you're likely to get a VERY different answer (the same applies to cigarettes as well). Decriminalizing pot would create new jobs (cultivation, distribution), provide another item the government can tax till the cows come home and creates a new group of consumers (publicly anyway).

 

4. There is no direct evidence showing marijuana use as being a precursor to hard narcotics. It seems you have dismissed the possibility of other underlying factors such as peer pressure, predisposition to addition, depression and other psychological problems. If you think marijuana is a gateway drug then we might as well ban paste in kindergarten.

5. Before consulting your doctor about smoking marijuana and low sperm count you might want to ask them about drinking alcohol and how IT affects fertility. Since alcohol can cause a varied increase in the production of estrogen in men fertility problems can easily rear their ugly head. Fertility issues are caused by a variety of problems. Simply inferring that if you smoke pot it will be THE cause or only factor of infertility isn't a sound argument. Note that if you are going to take ANY medication or drug whether it is prescribed or over the counter you SHOULD talk to your doctor or at the very least your pharmacist. Did you even bother to look at the number of medications (OTC and prescribed) that can cause fertility issues?

 

 

 

The bottom line is that given the evidence the US Government has about as much right to tell me I can't smoke pot as they do telling a woman she can't terminate a pregnancy or who you can have sex with.

 

 

And for the record...I'll give you my bong when you can pry it from my cheesy-poof covered hands!!!!!

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Of course it should be legal. How can you really be free if government is telling you what to do for enjoyment? Cig's is the #1 killer, you don't hear the government baning them.

April 20, 2009
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Your argument that "alcohol is an abused substance, so we should let weed be an abused substance too" is crazy.  listen to what you are saying...

April 20, 2009
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DJ,

 

I agree that the country should be better for the working man.  I completely agree with that statement.  But, if your idea of being in a state of "better" and my idea differ, then does that make my idea wrong?  My "better" would be smoking a legal substance without fear of being arrested for ingesting a plant.  I don't think that it is too much to ask for that I should be able to relax in a manner that I see fit. 

April 20, 2009
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dj2986

 

Tell them to come on over I haven't done it in 10 years

And to to those of you who think you cant tell the smokers from the non-smokers. I can pick them out and it has nothing to do with the way they dress. In fact thats what I do. LOL  

April 20, 2009
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People smoke weed every day and they are sitting right beside you. (FACT) they know how to pass the drug tests, that is to easy to do. The problem is the pot smoker is out performing you and getting the promotions and kicking but. Your a non-pot smoker, who has a problem keeping a job because your a loser, who wants pot smokers fired so you can keep or get a job...... BooooooHoooooo. Awww little baby want proof...look at history who do we look at as the greatest minds of all time.... hummmmm at one point in time they all did drugs.... Oh more proof, If prohibition didn’t happen Mafi and the MOB would possibly never existed nor have the power they had and or have today. 

April 20, 2009
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four20

 

you want to make it legal, but then have it regulated? or illegal for it to be used at certain times?

It is obvious the American population does not follow rules, why all of a sudden do you think they will follow the rule of, its legal to use in your free time, but not in your work time.

 

April 20, 2009

I think DJ is mad because he wants everyone to be like him. He's perfect.  So much fun to have arround. Like if we care that he wants to live everyones life for them,

then gets mad because everyone thinks he is full of sh#t.

I imagine him working behind the counter of a 7-11.

 

April 20, 2009
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concretus

 

you just put the dumbest post today into this conversation.  If you think anti-weed people are angy because weed smokers are out performing them, then WHY THE HECK ARE ALL THE WEED SMOKERS IN JAIL FOR CRIMES THEY COMMITTED

April 20, 2009
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This argument has been going on throughout history of civilization about one subject or another, and always, rightfully I believe, boils down to whether any government has the right to legislate moralities.  If you do not want to smoke, don't.  If you don't want your children to smoke, parent them.  Outside the scope of family, neither you nor I have rights to dictate morality, and it seems that that is the only real testable argument separating the pros and cons. 

Here is another way to look at it.  If you believe someone who gets "high" performs at a lower standard than others, wouldn't it just give you a leg up in any competition, or job if you don't?  I must point out that recent olympic results don't support that argument, however.  I for one might welcome the "leg up" over the competition if this is valid.

One question I have, is just how fast would he have been if he had never smoked?

April 20, 2009
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Why is it that Anti-Legalization believers always fall back on disproved science and foolish rhetoric learned from Nancy Regan's (read REPUBLICAN) war on drugs, no real thought about actual reality, just unfounded fear mongering and name calling. 

I smoke pot - I m better than you at everything - true or not who gives a turd, lets say we live and let live, like "civilized" animals, right?

April 20, 2009
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Absolutely. The whole reason behind it's being illegal in the first place was not based on reasonable facts. Some nut job took and axe to his family and pot got blamed for it. There is no evidence what so ever that can support the notion that pot causes people to become axe muderers. To the contrary there is an abudance of evidence that proves that it can instead provide theraputic values such as relaxation, and relieve from some forms of pain.    

April 20, 2009
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DJ,

 

I want to be able to prove to you and others out there that because you smoke weed, you don't turn into a raving maniac.  I want it legal, just like tobacco, alcohol.  I realize that stating negative facts about alcohol and tobacco and then stating that they can't be any better than weed is a poor debate.  It is a fact, but it is nonetheless a poor debate. 

 

The fact is I want to be able to use my own discretion to decide if I want to smoke weed or not.  I don't need someone telling me that if I do, the world is going to go to pot...pun intended.

April 20, 2009
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Dj is nuts

 

Sociopath, to say the least. You want to throw at least 40% of Americans in jail? Sweet. You must be really fun to hang out with.

April 20, 2009
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DJ 2986

Take the number of people in jail all over the country.

It will still only account for about 15% of the people that do it or have done it. I did it and still had a 3.85 GPA for both my degrees and would do it again.

April 20, 2009
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DJ2986.

 

Do I think that everyone who smokes or will smoke will be responsible with it? No. No more than people who don't feed their kids right or those who don't drink responsibly. BUT I do believe from both personal experience and from various cannabis related social studies I've read that most people do use it responsibly. Not all. But most. Now as for me personally, I was involved in a horrible accident back in 2001 that leaves me in constant pain. Not the type of pain from a good workout or hard construction work but a gut wrenching, gnawing, eyes watering pain that lasts 24/7. I do take pain pills...BUT pain pills are not only hard on my body but constipates me which eventually causes greater pain in my lower spine. A case of damned if you do damned if you don't. Now I CAN smoke small amounts and the nerve damage pain goes away almost instantly and stays gone for awhile. So I get instant pain relief without the worry of both constipation and the hardship my body goes through via pain pills. Now thats me personally I don't know about everyone else.

 

As far as regulation goes I've wondered why can't the government issue a card for those who want to smoke and/grow. Limit the personal grow to 6 plants. Charge a initial fee of say 100 dollars for the card and 100 dollar per year maintenance fee. If a person is caught growing too many plants or smoking in non designated areas heave a heavy fine (but no jail time). If a person is caught high while driving heave a heavy fine and if caught twice suspend their card for a year or so and if they are caught again THEN stick them in prison. Now I realize that there will probably need to be some sort of field kit that can detect if a person is "legally" high behind the wheel. I always kinda figured an officer could tell but for arguments sake lets say said officer can't tell. I wonder if a kit could be designed that could tell with a drop of blood or urine the amount of thc level? By that I mean say a person is stopped...officer suspects individual is high...a kit is administered and a reading is given that says a certain amount of thc is in the system and that amount states that the individual has smoked a certain amount within the last hour or so and officer consults a chart and bingo said individual is considered legally high.

 

Does anyone more technically knowledgeable than I (shouldn't be too hard..:) know if such a plan is possible/feasible?

April 20, 2009
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I have smoked pot for 40 years except for the 2 years I was Pregnant. My husband makes over 150,000.00 a year. My kids have college educations in fields they enjoy. I live in a great house in a great neighborhood with great people. I live in a State that has Legalized Medical Marijuana. I haven't got a Medical Marijuana license because I am too damn healthy (probably because I smoke pot) to have anything wrong with me that they would give me a license. I would rather ingest Marijuana then smoke it because it's probably better on my lungs. I have worked all my life. I hope I see the Decriminalization of Marijuana in the next 40 years.

People fear what they don't understand. Would you rather be addicted to Alcohol or Pain Killers? My mother died because of her addiction to pain killers. She lived in a state that didn't legalize Medical Marijuana. She didn't want to do anything illegal. So she died addicted to pain killers because of a physical condition that is not curable.

So why do we even discuss the legalization of Marijuana? Why have we made this an issue?  FEAR Fear that it might be ok and that someone isn't taxing or capitalizing on it. Ignorance. Intolerance. Lack of Compassion for those that use it to help themselves. We don't tax Medicine.

In Spain several weeks ago a group of scientist said that THC found in Marijuana could actually cure Brain Cancer tumors. They found that the cells in rats with cancerous brain tumors actually responded by those cells eating themselves. I guess there's something to that munchie thing after all. A cure for Brain Cancer. MMM?? That's worth investing time and money in don't ya think?

There's a million arguments but I am not seeing the Legislation. The Federal Government has been growing pot and issuing licenses to individuals in this country for years. There's only a few of those people left but the United States of America has been Growing and Dispensing Marijuana for years. So someone thinks it's ok.

Now they say that those States that have legalized Medical Marijuana the Federal government is not going to interfere with them.

So it's up to you and me to make sure every State in the United States decriminalizes Marijuana. That's why my job has been to work for progressive candidates and make sure they get elected to office from the County Commissioners to the State Senators to the President of the United States.  We need Government Officials with the insight and intelligence to end this insanity. Now you know what I do for a living. Paid Political Staffer. Man that got you wondering who I have worked for.

So get off your stoned ass and start working for those candidates that are sympathetic  to the need for New Legislation that will move towards decriminalization of Marijuana. It's up to you You elected them You pay for them. C I will not hide. I will not stop. It's my right as a human being to do what is best for myself and the people around me. So for all those Medical Marijuana user I will stand up and fight. But seriously ingesting is better then smoking. Smoking is still bad for your lungs.  

April 20, 2009
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Yes absolutely make it legal. Grow it, tax it, retail it, and release all the people in prison for pot use and use the money  from the prison cost to pay teachers.

The above would generate Billions of dollars.

April 20, 2009
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Rev Poopie - Marijuana doesn't make all users lethargic.  Creativity (expecially in the visual arts) can be greatly enhanced after smoking.  Also, if it is legalalized, not all people would grow it.  Growing strawberries is legal too, but I still buy my flats from the grocery store!  Many, many people who smoke don't do so on a daily basis, just as many of those who drink alcohol don't have a drink every day.  I am a degreed professional who is the director of a non-profit agency.  One of my best friends is a highly successful photographer who has had photos published in dozens of major national and international publications.  We both smoke socially, but of course under the present laws we must hide this.  The vice president at my bank smokes.  The award-winning former principal at my son's school smokes.  A university professor in our town who has authored several textbooks and countless articles and has a PhD. smokes.  I'm not even going into all the thousands of writers, artists, designers, musicians, inventors and entrepreneurs throughout history who have smoked marijuana and managed not only to be productive citizens but have contributed some of the greatest works in their chosen fields. Of course their are the stereotypical stoners who contemplate their navels endlessly, but we see this in non-smokers too.  People get or stay unmotivated for many different reasons.  Not all can be blamed on smoking pot.

 

America today is in sad shape on many different levels.  Legalizing and taxing pot can boost revenues in states that are cutting budgets left and right, denying health care and educational funding where it is desperately needed.  Just say no was a joke.  It didn't work because its premise was flawed.  It failed to address the needs of the already addicted at a time when drugs were literally floating across our borders.  Think of all the money spent putting potheads and dealers in jail that could instead be diverted to stopping the manufacture and trade of hard drugs such as heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine, or diverted into programs that would create more jobs and improve education.  Is your world really safer if the pothead down the street gets busted and does time?

April 20, 2009
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I havn't read all of these, but to the few I have I must say wtf. I feel like nobody is looking at the big picture with this issue. Legalizing a plant is going to be pretty much STUPID. DECRIMINALIZE the plant and make the 80 year old woman or the aids patients stuck in jail FREE. It is stupid to think that we would be able to tax a plant that grows wild all over the world. People will still get it illegally to avoid any taxations or rationing, (the rationing comment was hilarious btw, absolute /slap). If you simply wanted to stop the drug cartelling across the Mexican border, then yes, put a reasonable import tax for cheap Mexican dirt weed, and see how long they attempt to compete with northern cali chronic. LOL!! That whole scene will be flipped upside down, the second the people who have been growing in the states for over 50 years can freely distribute and GIVE the stuff away. When you make a war on a drug as easy to grow and conceal as the sticky-ickyness, you FAIL, because you will spend more money and effort to find the one section and then burn it, than you would have to build an entire new border gate across Mexico.....doubt me? look at the numbers they've spent over the years to try and eliminate a plant that grows in a muddy ditch.

 

It really is frustrating to listen to people act as if this plant is harmful to them. You created the criminal by making it illegal, not the other way around. The only reason its not legal, is cause of what I said before, its an un-taxable plant. EDUCATION people. If we all learn the rights and wrongs before we try it for ourselves then we have a better understanding an appreciation for the use of ANY drug. and likewise we can accept the reality of it easier, than say from a DARE po wannabe that only wants to scare you away from the EVIL sterotype they have created for it. If you want to bat heads and argue each others point, fine, but all the rest of the points to be made are from socialistic opinions, that if self reflected upon, could raise an enlightening view on the entire subject. Half of the reason this matter is taking place, is cause those who have been heard for too long need to SHUT THE F UP. Stop arresting people who have no right to be harassed for the pleasures they seek in their own. And again people, look at the big picture. LEGALIZE, and you bring them into your home to regulate and tax....I'm not down with that. It's a god given gift, who's statistics stand for itself against all other forms of recreation drugs.

 

1. You cannot overdose on weed, trust me.

 

2. Stoners do not have a NEED to get high. Tolerance can build, but your not gonna start giving hand jobs for crack if you didn't get high off a bong load. TRUST ME.

 

3. Have you ever conversed with a person of stoned intent? They are mellow, relaxed and very happy. Its only the laws that make us paranoid.

 

4. Paranoia can in many cases make us very attune to our surroundings. Such as driving. I have been stoned many a time driving, and many of you have driven next to me while doing so. Are you in the hospital? Do you see me in a wreck? NO. How many drunkards can contest to that? doesn't mean that it hast happened, but how many people get into wrecks from just being stupid???? my paranoia has saved my ass from several wrecks, cause I am paying attention extra double time, lookin for u know who over my shoulder.

 

5. Anyone that says this drug is a gateway to coke and crack needs to go smoke a bowl and shit down. I can only write so much in these, but I never got into that crap from smoking weed. Its a social issue when you start diving into crack and coke calls. either you life has nothing else to offer or your parents didn't teach you right, idk, but smoking pot does not lead to wanting more powerful highs. Society has created an illusion for our youth to go explore the "Wild side of life", instead of educating them on the facts of use and abuse.

 

6. Im so done with this, there are many more things to rant about, but all in all, legalizing it will not be the way to go, many older respected hippy friends of mine will say the same thing.

 

Decriminalizing the use, possession and cultivation of the plant is all we need. Stop arresting people for your political gains. Prohibition didn't work, and still doesn't. Drug Mafia are created to get what they want cause someone else said they couldn't have it. See the logick in decriminalization? You will have many of the same issues as now with legalization, and Obama knows this. He will make a just adjustment for our brothers and sisters in this country who have been persecuted long enough.

 

Good Day Sir!

April 20, 2009
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deadheadEd

 

has finished this debate.  His answer trumps all chumps - and their King DJ2986 - lets hope that in the true spritit of his virtiol towards infringing an my personal liberties - I hope he can gain the same perspective as deadheadEd - only not survive.....

April 20, 2009
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Here's another benefit to legalizing marijuana:

 

In addition to freeing up the police's time they currently waste pursuing non-violent pot smokers, take the violent offenders, those in gang violence, etc, sit them down and let them smoke some weed together. They'll realize that being violent to each other is a waste of time and their life is much better sitting around as "pot smoking friends" than "blow your head off enemies."

April 20, 2009
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I myself am undecided. Both debates highlight great insight. It is true that marijuana is a gateway drug. It is also true that it is less frightening to encounter someone excessively stoned than drunk. Although drivers should not be high to some extent behind the wheel. But in comparison to alcohol and cigarettes, I think marijuana is no less harmful or toxic.

April 20, 2009
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your decisions are the gateway to any ingestion of any item - YOU SAY YES OR YOU SAY NO!  WTF is hard to get about that PEOPLE!

April 20, 2009
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People that wanted to make this country better created the prohibition of alcohol and consequently, the murder rate doubled due to the black markets it created.  People that wanted to make the country better outlawed marijuana in the '30s (not the '50s) to make the country better, and they based it on propaganda films, but not the misinformation about marijuana leading to harder drugs--that propaganda didn't come out of government pamphlets until much later.  The lawmaker that helped pass the legislation later admitted that he knew nothing about the plant, its use or its effects.  Almost the same scenario followed.  A huge black marke popped up, but then something worse happened, we started sending young people to jail, giving them longer sentences for drug crimes than rape or murder.  If that's not messed up, I don't know what is.  The country has lots its moral compass on all things drug-related.  All the lies and propaganda created about drugs have become "truths" that are propagating themselves and policies that make no sense.  Even DEA agents agree that our policies make no sense are not helping fight a war against harder, more dangerous drugs. 

April 20, 2009
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Should marijuana be legalized? – Of Course and it is well overdue!

 

For far too long now the attacks and rhetoric on marijuana and its users has gone on with the backbone that it is the “gateway” drug. Nothing more, nothing less just this magical word “gateway” and the entire country is supposed to wag fingers and mail pamphlets to scare everyone into the belief that sweet ole “Mary Jane” is an evil that must be stopped.

 

In truth Marijuana is no more a drug than are “Twinkies”.  In fact in my opinion “Twinkies” and “Coca Cola” do more damage to the human body than marijuana could ever possibly do. No one has found or is looking for a medical use for cocaine, LSD, crack, crystal meth, but there are so many health benefits from using marijuana that our government wants to make it legal for some and a crime for others. This makes no sense at all.

 

Make it legal for everyone and watch a nation of stoners unite. No more anger, no more crack nor crystal, … …just hungry, happy humans.

 

 

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Perhaps we can experiment:

 

The White House can make a film about cannabis and We The People can make a film. Both must be rooted in plain, verifiable fact.

 

Then, we run both over live television nationwide. Then, we have a national vote.

 

Who ever wins, the law must be adjusted to meet their conditions.

 

DEMOCRACY!

April 20, 2009
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I hear alot of people getting wound up to defend their side. The point being you have a choice, choose to, or choose not to. But dont infringe on my right to choose.

I hear DJ2986 but I dont understand the hostility, you clearly are not for MJ and that's OK. But I would like to tell you that I use it, and responsibly I might add.

I have been discharged from the Service (I wont say which) with PTSD. You couldn't possibly have any idea the feelings and the suffering I have gone through to this date mentally, and without judging me, please listen. I am not a tenage stoner, or a big time user. I have a master's degree, and did 21 years serving this country faithfully. I have logged tons of hours in therapy, and counselling for my condition, and have been prescribed some of the most "knock you on your ass" medecines, and they barely touch it...unless you think sleeping is the solution, well it's not because of the dreams. with responsible marijuana use I have began to  heal "mentally" MORE THAN WITH ANY OTHER MEDICINE PRESCRIBED. I am not saying it is for everybody, but I have the brains to know that it does not solve problems, or ake them away, i realize that the issues are still there when the effects wear off, but for that bit of time that i am at peace with my demons. For the first time in 4 years I felt the weight of the world off my mind, if just only a few hours, and it made me feel happy to be, and feel, alive(which has not always been the case). I am now happy for the things that i do have, and I am actually able to do something i had not done for years...SMILE, and LAUGH, and be HAPPY...thats it. I ask you...why would you want to take that away from somebody?

 

Who am I hurting? Myself? Others?

 

and as far as it being a gateway drug, you are right. I am now addicted to Dorito's as well.

April 20, 2009
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Sweed..:)

 

But I'm afraid the debate will forever continue on this matter. But I can see the other side too and where I might not agree with all DJ2986 and the others are coming from. There has been ALOT of misinformation put into the world and many people feel marijuana is a horrible drug and don't want wiped off the earth. The only thing that will change ANYONES opinion is HONEST education. Not reports wrote by Pro-Cannibis experts or those wrote by Anti-Cannabis experts, but by those who can do the studies and write the reports without anything to gain. A neutral party so to speak. That way we can have good honest information without anyone saying "Well such and such report was wrote by someone who wants/doesnt want pot legalized." I've seen some reports that were glossed over to fit either side. There are reliable studies out here but it would be nice to have more to finally finish the debate.

April 20, 2009
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TennisCrazy, sorry,, but cocaine has many medicinal uses.. just one for example, Lidacaine (sp?) is a cocaine derived drug used to settle the smooth heart muscles after a heart attack.  Please don't add to the current tons of misdirection already running rampart.  Yet, and still, cocaine has been shown time and again to repress a person's ability to sustain themselves over a long period of time.  Whether or not THC is the same has apparently yet to be proven.

April 20, 2009
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Does anyone know what day this is btw? Boooya!

April 20, 2009
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Just legalize it and get it over with. Let the people out of prison who are in for dealing and are non-violent offenders. Let them get jobs instead of us having to foot the bill for them doing time. Tax it. End the war on drugs....

 

This is a no brainer. Prohibition of marijuana has had a more than obvious destructive effect on our society that by far outweighs the effects that people leading the war on drugs claim will happen if it is legalized. And, there is absolutely no way they can make any reasonably sane person with a hint of cognitive ability or reasoning believe it will ever be won or that any ground will ever be gained in it. Even if some ground is gained it will only be temporary and there will be murder, imprisonment and the continuation of people living in hell in border towns. That is the truth. A war is something you can win or lose. This will always be a lose only thing and it always has been. If we the people want to smoke it shouldn't we have a say in that. It looks like we do or even if we don't want to smoke it (like me) we don't believe all we've heard about it and really that's enough. "We the people..." remember that? It's our country and we're saying make it legal. We've had enough.

April 20, 2009
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DonHR, thanks for that. It just shows how we should not lump everyone into this category or that. Everyone has their own circumstances and mj may be right for them or it might not be. But it should be our right to decide for ourselves.

 

And DonHR, thank you for your service to our country.

 

April 20, 2009
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Legalizing marijuana makes sense. It is already one of the nations largest cash crops yet we get nothing for it.  Legalize it and tax it. People who want to use it are already using it with little effort.  I can go to any major park in my city and find it in less than 10 minutes.  People smoke it openly here in Washington state, yet I've never seen it be the cause of trouble.  The pros of legal marijuana far outweigh the cons.  The only argument the government has against using it medicinally is that is us unhealthy to smoke, just like cigarettes are. This is why we have vaporizers!  You can bypass the dangers of smoking by vaporizing!  You can also incorporate marijuana into food and consuming it by eating it, another healthier way to use marijuana. 

 

Legalize marijuana and it will help the economy.  It will help fight the war on (real) drugs.  It will do so many good things, there really is no valid argument to keep it illegal.  With the few good things having a democratic president in office will bring (yes, I'm republicain!) I hope legalizing pot is one of them. 

April 20, 2009
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"Let them get jobs instead of us having to foot the bill for them doing time. Tax it. End the war on drugs...."

 

Uh...no.  Even if mj was decriminalized, we'd still need to continue the war on meth, coke, crack, opium, etc.

 

Unlike mj, those are truly very addictive and destructive.

 

Unless you just took the attitude of "well, just let the idiots kill themselves and be done with it."

 

But decrim of mj would at least free up resources for fighting those others.

April 20, 2009
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For the large number of you who want to justify pot should be legal because alcohol is, and you want to measure it against alcohol being worse, then wouldn’t an alternative be to illegalize alcohol instead?   I’m sure if pot were legalized, there would be a portion of users who are responsible, but that cannot justify those who will be irresponsible about it.  Even if it is mildly imperative, it will cost innocent lives from those be behind the wheel.

 

Clearly pot you has a large following of those how have already proven themselves to be irresponsible in the first place.  So there are a lot of laws I would rather not follow, even ones created for good or bad reason.  But being a responsible person, I choose there adhere to all of them, not just the ones convenient for me.  Those who choose to smoke pot, have already shown they’re irresponsibleness, but choosing they’re going to break the law.  So which laws should they have the right to break next?  It’s OK to hold up a convenient store to get money to pay rent because all they money was already spent on drugs or they can’t handle the confines of a 9-5 job?

 

And for you self proclaimed economists, you state it will generate revenue, do you really believe that will benefit you?  Look at the alcohol, tobacco, oil, gambling etc.. lords, they’re all living the life the high life, telling you how rough it is for them to live on their billions of dollars.  Legalize pot will only create another small sect of a few people of power receive the profits, exactly like the current drug lords profit today, only there will be no legal grounds to touch them.

 

I am also highly skeptical of all of you who site “studies” of the benefit.  I question how many of you can truly point out the source of these scientific studies, verses how many of these studies were hearsay or concocted while being high?   Here’s my own personal observation (I can admit I have to scientific grounds to back this) but those who I have know regularly used pot are now dimwitted “burn outs”.  Either that, or pot use has an large attraction by the feeble minded.

 

There is so much better in life that artificial self induced happiness.  Those who want pot legalized are only prioritizing their own selfish desires verse all the negative side affects (sure, go ahead and ague any of the benefits, but don’t limit that argument to only the pieces that you want to hear).

 

Quit being a conceded self-loathing pot head.

 

April 20, 2009
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Argh... yep, you nailed me... a "dimwitted burn-out". 

 

I guess I'll just go back to designing the circuitry for my heliostat that will aim the mirrors at my solar collection system.

 

Thanks for setting me straight.

 

April 20, 2009
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Everyone seems to think that if pot were legalized all of the problems would

be over and people would all just buy their pot from the gov't and pay their

taxes and give money to the gov't.  WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP.  People would

still grow their own stuff, not pay the gov't what is owed and more people

would lay around and get wasted.  There would probably still be an age

limit, say 19, to buy pot and those underage would still be trying to get

high, don't think so look at alcohol or cigarettes.

If pot's legalized there would be more people driving high and then you

would see the death and accident rate involving pot go up.

Some people would try it and pick up on it and then move on to harder and

more dangerous drugs so now we have just enabled others to become hooked on

drugs.

So in the end the legal problems don't go away but become compounded and

there would still be a drug problem.  The government would also be spending

money on combatting drug runners only now it will cost more money.

So all of you who say it will solve all of the problems please pull your

head out of the sand and get a reality check.

 

 

April 20, 2009
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Do all you people who think weed should stay illegal also think alcohol should become illegal?

 

I dont see how you could possible argue for one but not the other.

April 20, 2009
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DJ

"Your argument that "alcohol is an abused substance, so we should let weed be an abused substance too" is crazy.  listen to what you are saying..."

 

You are a total idiot. So you recommend we ban alcohol in order to keep up with pot??? How has that been working here lately. You are STUPID!!!!!!

April 20, 2009
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Freakinidiots.

 

"I’m sure if pot were legalized, there would be a portion of users who are responsible, but that cannot justify those who will be irresponsible about it.  Even if it is mildly imperative, it will cost innocent lives from those be behind the wheel."

 

What constitutes responsible use in your opinion? Using and driving? In that case provide us please on cannabis related vehicular accidents. The only ones I've ever found was when a person had mixed alcohol and cannabis not cannabis alone.

 

You say cannabis users are irresponsible because they break the law by smoking? LOL. Ok well the debate here is whether or not it should be legalized. If it is made legal then we wouldn't be breaking the law. As to which laws we should and shouldn't follow, have you ever been in a hurry and failed to use your car blinker or went too fast? Ever failed to signal a lane switch? Ever failed to follow any law what so ever? Why did you do it? Would it have inconvenienced you? The fact is everyone at some point in time fails to obey a law for whatever reason. If a law is felt to be unjust then it is up to the American people to let our leaders know it.  That's what we are doing.By the way you can hardly compare marijuana use with armed robbery. YOU can be skeptical all you want you have that right but please don't add to the ignorance of everyone by saying everyone you have ever known that smokes pot is dim-witted burn-outs. If you have read studies then you know that cannabis use increases the amount of oxygen the body and brain takes in which is one of the reasons that Alzheimer's patients and asthmatics respond amazingly well to it. It's why creativity levels increase. One of my good friends is a Professor of Biology at one of the highest rated colleges where I live, he has at last check a 177 IQ and has smoked pot for 37 years. Dim witted burn out? I don't rightly think so.

 

As for artificial self induced happiness, geez dude ever drunk alcohol to feel better? Ever smell a nice candle that made you smile? Ever woke up in the morning and grabbed a cup of coffee? Ever stepped outside and smelled the flowers in spring? All of those are chemically induced for of happiness.

 

And as for benefits you seem like a intelligent person who is well read surely you know there are countless benefits and yes there are some a few not so great benefits (increased blood pressure which is bad for someone who already has it..:) increased heart rate, anxiety in some people for example.  

April 20, 2009
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Here you go http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948    Read about the Spanish study for yourself   I am sure if you started researching the benefits of Marijuana you would find article after article.

Here's another one for you from 2003 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0710-04.htm

Ok so what happened in Canada? Has crazed Pot Heads taken over the Country? NO

 

Like I said the U.S. Government has been growing it for years and dispensing it. Why would the U.S. Government give something to people that would kill them?  That's a pretty big Liability.  I know in the state I live in there's Microbiologist working out the effects on certain illnesses and the beneficial dosage.

Also go ask a terminally ill person or a chronically ill person about how they use and the benefits of use of Marijuana  It's a Medicine.

Then look at the drugs you have used and what their herb base is. Valium/Valerian Root you can buy it at the Health Food Store You don't need a prescription  It's legal Yeap Valium is Legal Oh I really want some Valiumed Crazied overdosed FREAKNIDIOTS out there driving around. But you don't see those Valerian Root abusers do you?

So start researching yourself you lazy hypocrite. But I can send you enough information to keep you reading for the next few months. Grow up  Read the Research It's America you should be able to decide for yourself what helps you. You can go on expecting the LAW to make decisions for you. You have to stand up and think for yourself. Maybe Marijuana isn't for you but does that mean it can't help someone else.

NO it is not a gateway drug. 40 years of use pretty much gives me the edge on that information.  It's like saying Aspirin leads to Barbiturates, Caffeine leads to Cocaine, Crack and Speed   God if all that was true just think Starbucks would be an Enabler.

We need a Political Revolution from the FREAKNIDOTS

 

April 20, 2009
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"more people would lay around and get wasted."

 

How do you know that? Is it just a feeling you have? Or do you have knowledge or documentation that the rest of us do not. Pot is not hard to buy. It is all around you. Those who want to "lay around and get wasted" can, right now. Some do, some don't.

 

"If pot's legalized there would be more people driving high"

 

Anyone who wants to drive high can do so right now. Decriminalizing pot would make it no less of a crime to drive while intoxicated.

 

People will "move on to harder and more dangerous drugs so now we have just enabled others to become hooked on

drugs" 

 

You sound like a govt pamphlet from the 70's. What is stopping them from doing just that right now? The fact that pot is illegal? Psh...

 

Stomie7 - If you only take the social consequences into consideration, then yes, alcohol should be illegal. But it's not going to happen. Too many vested interests ie: money.

 

 

 

April 20, 2009
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I smoke weed responsibly occasionally.  I graduated college with honors and have had a full time job in a chemistry lab since.  Now obviously people abuse weed just like anything else but to legalize the use of a substance simply because some people may abuse it or hurt themselves is an infringement on the freedoms that this country stands to protect.  I know many many hard working productive members of society who like to sit back  relax and some weed every now and then and it is unfair to label these people as criminals.  Just because weed would become legal its not like it would suddenly become acceptable to go to work high or drive around stoned just like its not acceptable to do these things drunk.  Forget all the ideas that weed may be an economic stimulus or end some mexican drug war.  Maybe it will help those issues but that main reason weed should be legal is that it simply violates our freedoms to be told that we can not make our own decisions when it comes to what we put into our bodies.  People abuse things other than drugs all the time.  For instance driving.  How many people drive recklessly or just too fast.  Everyday someones carelessness causes innocent deaths due to automobile accidents.  How would you like it if you were told it was illegal for you to drive anymore just because other people cant do it responsibly.  And i know its not really the same thing but were do we draw the line on what the government allows us to do.  Weed is not a healthy habit, it shouldnt be done everyday and if you need to do it to have a good time then you have a problem.  But smoking weed every now and then helps me relax and i do enjoy it and I am not a bad person because of it.  No one else but the user is affected by responsible pot smoking.

April 20, 2009
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ok ive read lots here today and thanks for all opinions, now me. DO NOT LEGALIZE. if so this will create one more ave. for the yellow tooth politician to line he/she pockets. lets move forward with the ease of punishment of the offender if such a thing regarding self healing, reduction of alcoh. and ease the pain of those who suffer. cartel? or gov.? legalize? or underground? you make the call. i have.

April 20, 2009
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sorry third sentence above, legalize should be illegalize obviously

April 20, 2009
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One aspect I have not seen much discussed is the positive effects that mj has on family relationships. Going further than just having good sex with your mate, my personal experience has been that I had a lot more time for my son.

 

Normally, I would be too busy doing "grown up things" and didn't have time to play games or joke or laugh or listen at length to him. But when I got a bit high, I'd play board games, cards, whatever, and we would both have fun together. That was a very positive bonding experience for both of us.

 

No, I didn't smoke it in front of him. He didn't even need to know why Dad was in a good mood. It was enough for him just that Dad was in a good mood and was sharing some quality time with him.

 

Anyone one else have similar experiences?

April 20, 2009
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Horay for Beer too my gate way!

 

I've read all these convo's and arguements to the the drug, and come to some real excitement on this grand 420 day.

As licensed trader for one of the largest financial institutions in the world, i have to say i'm a person in high demand where i work and live. I have many demands a day for recreational purpose of usage for this blessed plant.  There are managers, traders, execs, vp's., doctors, lawyers, professional athletes and the sick, that have personal request on weekly basis. Call me what you like. I know where to go and its not going to slow down.  You guys talk about the violence, you don't know anything unless you are there, i live in Lone Star State baby! the biggest border that adds the fuel to the fire. All these cartels are fighting for my area, which would be I35 corridor, running from south Texas all the way up to Michigan. By all means i don't have to do this, I have a good job, i don't make money off anyone here, i just help the needy in this, but its the true respect i get with no judgement from a person who may be a lawyer, the sick, doctor, vp, executive etc. EVERYDAY PEOPLE! that have the own person needs. We all have flaws. As avid smoker for 9 years everyday. Sure i can say i can go away from it for months if i wanted, but why would i need too if i can do everything still the same, if not sometimes better. Being a Mexican American the word for the drug in spanish would be mota.....In this case for me its Mota-vation. I can focus harder with personal agendas to get accomplished. Now i know that does not work for everyone, but i really takes time to understand the drug and what i could do to you, and how it can help you.

 

Of course it can make you paranoid, but that is for the occasional user... I don't have that problem. It will magnify some fews, and sometimes draw you down. I say its not for the weak minded thats why it would gate way to harder drugs, and then you'll see adictions. I have seen it all from Marijuana to in between all the way to the Meths. No harm in the ganga. I have a resturant in works to open here within a year...Now tell me that is not Motavation! This is a new breed of pot smoking. This is not just a situation that is done whenever, its everywhere. this is a NATION, LIFESTYLE, AND CULTURE...NO HARM HERE JUST WEED SMOKIN HERE!

April 20, 2009
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DRJ2896 - you are falling for the same idiotic principles that have governed this whole argument from the first place.  The flaw in the argiment the idea isn't that legalizing pot will create this mystery market of responsible pot users, but rather that the market already exists and isn't going to change dramitically.  Your basis assumes that legalizing pot will expand the market greatly, inferring that tons more people want to smoke pot that arent already.  My argument assumes the population that will consume marijuana looks nearly identical to the population of current users.  As with alcohol during prohibition, the buyers of alcohol continued to buy alcohol even when criminalized.  The lawmakers eventually realized that they were relatively inefective in controlling the flow of liquor compared to the cost of attempting to govern it.  They say history repeats itself. In this case I hope it does, maybe the next 60 years will be great, after all the years from 1933 - 1993 were some of our strongest. 

April 20, 2009
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drugs deplete nutrients, coping aging us to regret tomorrow when hurt worse, besides being threatened by more drivers/pilots/ doctors,...who need anesthesia to endure pain as malnourished, real food, historically, healing/growing/empowering,..

April 20, 2009
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CMGE - huh?  learn syntax please.  I dont think even you know whatyou were trying to say.

 

Kashum - please quit talking.  you are not helping.  If you really want legal trade of marijuana you need to hang up the "I smoke weed - therefore its okay" argument.  As long as you stick with that, the anit-marijuana camp gets to use the "because its wrong, thats why" argument.  Stay focussed.  In order for something to be deemed criminal my understanding is that is needs to prove some negative impact either directly or indirectly to society.  I can only interpret that as saying will it have any extreme negative social or economic impact.  If someone could prove to me some major social or economic impact that doesnt have a more extreme president (think alcohol or tobacco ;-))  I am open to considering continued criminalization of marijuana. 

April 20, 2009
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Plumber127 - you say keep it criminal to prevent greedy politicians from trying to line their pocket.  If I understand this correctly then you are further saying you prefer organized crime over democracy and I quote"DO NOT LEGALIZE. if so this will create one more ave. for the yellow tooth politician to line he/she pockets...cartel? or gov.? legalize? or underground? you make the call. i have."?  Are you sure you're american?

April 20, 2009
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I conclude by reminding everyone by saying that another route for decriminalization is to lobby for the Supreme Court to revisit the Marijuana Stamp act of 1937 on the grounds that is unconstitutional.  If that law is removed then subsiquent laws have to be re-written and re-signed into law.  With the strength in numbers, and financial backing of pro-marijuana lobby it would be next to impossible to re-instate the same level of federal juristiction. 

April 20, 2009
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No it should not be legalized. It affects everyone differently and slows down thinking. And from test scores in Louisiana schools,I am firm in saying No To Drugs being legalized. Marijuana is not the answer and leads to murder, stronger drugs and the addiction numbers in this country are astronomical. This really needs to be researched before approving this. I speak from first hand experience as a teen and it hurts more than it helps.

April 20, 2009
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Leblanc - prove it.  I am open minded.  If you can show me direct confirmed statistical data showing marijuana use (not trafficing) is connected to crime rates, I will consider it.  I can only speak for myself, but I am open to the prospect of being wrong on this.  The bottom line though is you cant.  I can show you where video games slow thinking, release chemicals in the brain that sow cognative reasoning and basic learning ability.  Marijuana isnt an answer.  In fact, unless the question is name the biggest black market cash crop draining our police forces and crowding our jails, no one is saying Marijuana is an answer.  De-criminalizing marijuana doesnt solve problems, it removes a number of them completely. 

April 20, 2009
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I thought I was done, but something else to chew on. 

 

If the federal government let states decide how to regulate marijuana it is safe to assume that some states will allow it and some wont.  If you are afraid that your child will be exposed to "Evil" as a result of your state leglizing marijuana then elect a representative who believes the way you do, or move to a different state.  I can assure you though that states with legal marijuana will no doubt have more well funded school systems, better public transportation, infrastructure, healthcare, the lest goes on.  The imbalance in tax revenue alone would create tremendous systematic differences.  

April 20, 2009
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I think that the alarmists have a misconception that if marijuana were decriminalized there would be a stampede of new users, everybody would be stoned day and night and the country would grind to a halt.

 

What they don't seem to realize is that practically everyone who wants to smoke it, is smoking it.

 

The fact that it is illegal is not slowing too many people from breaking what they consider laws tailored to protect the sale of alcohol. The penalty for getting caught with a small amount for personal use is not that horrendous.

 

Not much would really change --- except for the positive aspects... like the court systems and jails being freed up, DEFACS not getting involved funded by your tax dollar, knocking the legs out from under the drug lords, freeing up police and detectives to work on crimes that actually have victims, and the list goes on.

 

The vast silent majority are smoking it responsibly and don't get caught unless they stumble into a sting operation while trying to buy their little bag.

 

The same laws and penalties that govern use of alcohol could apply to marijuana use.

 

Leblanc, I hope you continue your research... in Amsterdam!

April 20, 2009
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Oh, another thing... Just because marijuana was decriminalized does not mean that safety critical jobs would be jepordized. A company could still have policy requiring drug testing and "if you want this job, you don't smoke pot." That way it is your choice.

 

April 20, 2009
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Anti-marijuana laws have their genesis in racial and religious bigotry. Have you ever seen photos from the Temperance Movement that led to Alcohol Prohibition? If you saw that crowd coming your way in Iraq or Afghanistan, you'd call in an airstrike to kill it with fire faster than you could load your pants LOL...

 

The "gateway drug" concept was floated by politicians in New York to counter the fact that not one medical professional would testify that Marijana was harmful. The people behind that were playing fear of Puerto Rican immigrants as their trump card that season.

 

The 1960s saw the revival of Western Gnostic spitirtual systems with Shamanic influences, such as are coming to light with the translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi Codices etc. (the Church of the Essenes, for one, had Shaminic traditions involving mushrooms). This is what Tim Leary and company were REALLY about back in the day.

 

Federal Law dating back to the Nixon Administration recognizes the legitimacy of the use of psychoactive substances in Spiritual Ritual, as they specifically exempt controls on such substances for members of various churches in southwestern Native American tribes. And yet, these oppressive controls remain in effect for MY segment of the population. I personally regard this as an ongoing and egregious violation of my First Amendment rights per the U.S. Constitution.

 

April 20, 2009
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I would submit to you that if anything, our current drug laws (at the very least regarding pot) make life more nasty, brutish and short, not less. With alcohol, the repeal of prohibition didn't rot American society - the only immediate harm it did was to organized crime. If the same were done now just for pot, it wouldn't be as damaging to the drug kingpins, but it would still be a big step in the right direction. It would lighten the load on our overburdened criminal justice system, and allow us to redirect law enforcement resources to more serious problems. Plus, retail sales of weed could (and should) generate truckloads of tax revenue. Revenue which is kinda sorta needed right now, just a little bit. ;-) My own judgment is that in general, the effects of marijuana use are no more incapacitating than alcohol, and indeed usually less so. Hence, I see no justification for one of them to be legal and the other illegal. Let me hasten to add that I don't think using too much of either is a good idea. Stop Drug Wars! - From Engagement Rings Community of NY
April 21, 2009
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Adriana, for guys, there are adverse sexual side effects. It has nothing to do with performance. Heavy users have reduced sperm count, and potential birth defects or lower IQs in their offspring. So heavy tokers who are planning to be daddies are advised to stop. Your other assumption about pot being a "gate way" drug is as obsolete as the movie Reef Madness.

 

Jim, the medicinal benefits of marijuana have been proven time and again. Since pot has a calming effect, a belligerent drunk could very well be very dangerous while a stoner would fall asleep or ask you for a twinky.

April 21, 2009
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Here is a real world example.  I live in a "dry" county.  This means that no one can legally sell alcohol inside of the county I live in.  Now, does this stop people from drinking alcohol?  Of course not.  All this regulation does it ensure that when you want to purchase alcohol, you have to drive at least 30 miles away. 

 

Now, there are PLENTY of bootleggers in our county that will offer you liquor at an inflated price.  But, I would much rather drive the 30 miles to purchase it LEGALLY rather than pay someone to provide it to me illegally. 

 

My point is that I would much rather pay an inflated rate to legally purchase weed if it means I don't have to deal with the black market. 

 

But, it is SO EASY to purchase alcohol in a dry county.  There are literally hundreds of places to go in order to buy beer or liquor.  But the majority of people who partake drive the 30 minutes to buy it legally.  It is not because it is easier to drive than buy it in your hometown, it is because, believe it or not, most people will follow the law. 

 

Legalize it already. 

April 21, 2009
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April 21, 2009
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>>The gateway theory is a bunch of bull. Isn't it more likely that people who smoke pot, and then move onto harder drugs, are simply the type of person who is prone to being a constant risk taker?

 

There is simply no way to measure that due to the number of uncontrolled variables, therefore it cannot be objectively considered, is invalid in debate, and cannot be used to set public policy.

 

I love this idea that somehow legalizing pot will make everything all better.  It's actually quite amusing.

 

Here's another question for you, since no one answered my original ones.  Why do you think that the government is making a move to allow Tobacco and Alcohol to be regulated by the FDA?  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tobacco3-2009apr03,0,317505.story

 

Do you honestly think that if pot is legalized, the FDA is going to allow the current varieties, which are 20-30x more potent in terms of THC content than were strains from 30 years ago, to be sold?  The answer, kiddies, is NO!!!  If tobacco and alcohol are regulated by FDA, OF COURSE pot would be as well if it were legalized.  There goes the argument about lower costs, and hello lower potency. 

 

How about this - do you actually believe that commercial growers are going to sell you pure marijuana once their costs skyrocket due to new regulations and taxes on their once "tax-free" product?  Many of the carcinogens in cigarrettes don't come from the tobacco itself, but from additives and fillers used in cigarrettes, and you'll start to see the same types of techniques used here.

 

While we're trying to justify our positions by throwing around "high-value" names like the New England Journal of Medicine, it might also be noted that there were OTHER findings in that same journal re: Marijuana, including linkages to low testosterone levels, respiratory ailments, heavy-metal poisoning (lead and other), aspergillus infection...  Oh... and that other thing... that THC is an addictive drug with both withdrawal symptoms and self-reinforcing behaviors.  I also don't find anything related to the reference that was mentioned earlier re: diminishing effects after cessation, but I guess I'll just have to take your word on that.

 

Need I mention the fact that the recommendation for terminally-ill patients for whom THC could provide relieve is to take THC - not to smoke pot?  Why, you say?  Well... maybe it's because THC can be produced in a clean and controlled manner with a lessened risk of contamination?  Maybe it's because the best thing for a cancer patient may not be for them to smoke something that increases their risk for infection and repiratory complication?  Just throwing that out there as a possibility.

 

Rainbows and friggin' unicorns.

April 21, 2009
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Loudva

 

>> Loudva2 » Wshelton the point is bad things do not happen because of pot smoking to nearly the degree of alcohol and cigs.

If you care about Liberty, fairness is key to a society that embraces Liberty.  So if our society allows for the sale of drugs that are bad for you because of lobbing and political pressure, then keeping other drugs that have been proven not bad for you, as in it won't kill you, illegal is not fair or just.  So I believe the arguments deemed by you not compelling are, in fact compelling, if you give a rats ass about the constitution.  I guess you have all the liberty you want so f everyone else.

 

This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard.  You're confusing facts to make your argument, which doesn't make much sense to begin with.

 

From the CDC:

 

61% of Americans drink alcohol on some basis.

28% of Americans use some form of Tobacco

6% of Americans use Marijuana.

 

Your argument is that fewer negative things happen due to people smoking pot?  Hell - I could have told you that without ever smoking it!  All you have to do is look at the stats!  Fewer people use it, therefore there are fewer incidents of use, therefore it causes fewer incidents of ANYTHING, positive or negative.  That has nothing to do with pot itself - only to do with the prevalence of use.

 

It's the same argument that airlines use.  "Statistically, airplanes are still the safest way to travel".  Yeah, if you look at the raw number of crashes that occur, but that's simply a product of the number of vehicles en-route at any given moment.  If you look at the number of fatalities PER crash, cars wouldn't even be in the ballpark.

April 21, 2009
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Alexander -

 

>>p.s.- our government commits murder every single day.. even though YOU cant kill someone.. the prison system certainly can.. and our soldiers can as well.. our normative values from which our laws are based are really kind of sketchy and hypocritical..

 

This is inflammatory at best, and you're conclusion is wrong.  The normative values of our society dictate that the safety of our society takes priority over the life of an individual, if that individual poses a realistic threat.  Now - that opinion is changing, and I don't know which side I fall on, but that's the reason for the death penalty.  The law HAS been reflective of the majority of values in this case.  We also entrust our military with another value, and duty - to protect the country.  Whether it has been misused aside (and if it has been misused, then those guilty of orchestrating that misuse are guilty of murder, I'll grant you), we, as a nation, sanction the military's authority to kill those who pose a threat to our nation.

April 21, 2009
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BTW - I'm not necessarily against this, but if you're going to debate the issue, then debate it with realistic facts and figures, not with half-baked (pun intended - I love that movie) opinions.  To say that "All costs go away and we get tons of revenue" is naive.  To say that there will never be negative side effects because pot is wonderful and natural is naive.  Tobacco and Cocaine are both natural, too.  So is foxglove, but I'm not going to make a salad out of it.

April 21, 2009
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...we, as a nation, sanction the military's authority ...

 

Sorry, "sanction" wasn't a good word choice here.  "empower" was what I was meaning.

April 21, 2009
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In North America marijuana can be harvested OUTDOOR once a year. The plant need to be forced into a fruit cycle this is done when the sunlight moves towards the equinox. Indoor you can harvest every 30 days with the proper setup. Marijuana if cured and dried correctly will keep in an air tight jar for more than a year. Marijuana stored in the freezer or firdge has potential to dry-rot and or lose THC content. 

April 21, 2009
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To start, I do not like pot but before you accuse me of being a prude, the fact that I don't use it does not mean I am against it. Why not legalize it? I like to drink and get my booze at my liesure so why not regulate pot the same way for those who want to use it. I have never understood why they don't legalize it. Can anyone give me insight on that?

April 21, 2009
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>>Can anyone give me insight on that?

 

Honestly?

 

Pot was made illegal for two primary reasons.

 

1.  Normative values of society have not, so far, allowed it to be legal.  This is the ongoing issue.

2.  DuPont wanted to protect it's interests in synthetic textiles, and produced a ton of evidence (some of it unfounded, mind you) to prove how dangerous it was to prevent hemp from becoming a viable crop.

 

If it is made legal, it will likely be regulated by the FDA, which will water it down and put restrictions on the levels of allowable THC, much the same as they're talking about doing with nicotine in cigarettes.

April 21, 2009
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Can we just talk about the fact, though, that Marijuana isn't the only crop that's getting people killed in Mexico?  So you legalize pot... what about cocaine?  it comes out of S.A., too, and likely funnels through Mexico.  Are you going to legalize it, too?  If you say yes, then I want someone to justify to me how cocaine doesn't cause societal problems given the number of crack addicts in this country.

 

The problem isn't the law.  It's lawlessness.  On both sides of the border.

April 21, 2009
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My Vote  is that Jim won this hands down. I feel Milk is a gateway drug. Since most Pot smokers I've have talked to all said they drank Milk. Perhaps meeting drug dealers is more a gateway than Pot. And if Pot were legal they would not meet drug dealers. And facts that say it may hinder Sex.....I find rather questionable.

April 21, 2009
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>>Perhaps meeting drug dealers is more a gateway than Pot. And if Pot were legal they would not meet drug dealers.

 

Perhaps, but by the same twisted and nonsensical logic, if uninitiated teenage pot smokers were influenced by their idiot teenage friends, and that lead to their eventual pot-smoking habit, then we can conclude that the problem is teenagers, and that by eliminating them, we can solve it.  Since we can't just make them "not teenagers", we have to shoot them all, or send them somewhere else.  Maybe Amsterdam.

 

Perhaps drug dealers are just like every other opportunistic capitalist.  They met a demand with a supply so they could make money.

April 21, 2009
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OK.  Let's just assume for a minute that it is legalized, and that the FDA is in charge of regulating it.  I take this as a no-brainer because there's no way they're going to legalize it without putting it under the FDA's control.

 

So...

 

FDA regulates pot.

 

No unregulated pot can be sold under federal law.

 

FDA refuses to allow pot from South America on the basis that they find it's not fit for consumption due to the way in which it's raised.

 

South American pot is not legal.  Trafficking South American Pot becomes illegal, black marketed, and thus profitable and dangerous.  People start shooting each other in order to bring it in.  The FDA enlists the ATF to help it control the flow of illegal/unregulated pot, and they all converge where?  Juarez, Mexico... hmmm... sounds familiar.

 

People become bored with pot and it is as common as caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol.  Cocaine becomes the "it" thing again, and demand skyrockets.  More people die in trafficking illegal goods.

April 21, 2009
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Wshelton - "People become bored with pot and it is as common as caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol.  Cocaine becomes the "it" thing again, and demand skyrockets.  More people die in trafficking illegal goods"

 

There is always gogin to be something that some poeple will not be able to get.  I dont think anyone taking the pro-marijuana side is saying that by de-criminalizing marijuana we will eliminate black markets all together.  The bottom line is though that the black market for marijuana will become obselete. 

 

Someone earlier said that the purity or THC content would become "watered down".  This too, is false.  True, some strains of cannibis are more potent than others, the domestically grown, govenrmnet sanctioned medical marijuana being distributed in some states (alaska, california, colorado, hawaii, maine, maryland, michigan, montana, nevada, new mexico, oregon, rhode island, vermont, and washington) is the most highly sought after. 

 

I propose that this wouldnt change.  While there may be some limits to manage increasing the amount of THS in commercially grown cannibis, the amount of THC is more closely tied to the manor in which the plant is grown. 

 

I think the false assumption by both sides is that this will be an end all solution for the nations drug problems.  It wont.  The number of users currently though, if allowed to use openly and legally woudl pay the taxes that could help bolster funding for education, helthcare, public works, etc. 

 

We have some real problems right now that require real solutions, and furthermore real money.  The money has to come from somewhere.  Do we want to raise income taxes to support it?  We have a product, thathas a defined immediate demand, and the infrastructure to produce and distribute it on a scale that would meet the demand. 

 

One benefit would also be the fact that cartels and gangs funded by the trafficing of marijuana would cease.  Would they find some new revenue stream, maybe.  Or maybe they become legit in the same way bootleggers became legal liquor distributors.

 

There are already examples of products with significantly greater social consequences that are legal and regulated in the american market.  We need revenue from somewhere.  The jobs this woudl create, the tax revenue it would generate, and the social impact would do more good than bad.  At this point its a matter of time, because it will happen.  Get on board, or gather more data, because the arguments posed here for those against simply dont hold water.   

April 21, 2009
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Oh, and to follow up on the "more poeple will die in trafficking of illegall goods".  If this does become true, the public is more likely to get on board as whatever it is will likely cause a bigger social threat than marijuana.  If the public is willing to turn a blind eye as they are with marijuana, nothing will change.  Most educated members of society are anti meth labs, anti black market guns, anti gangs.  they go out of their way to turn these people in if they find out who they are, and this is now.  Right now, most everyone knows someone who uses marijuana, and no one is gogin out of their way to call the DEA. 

April 21, 2009
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I can promise you that on a daily basis you run into someone that is either under the "influence" of marijuana or is a regular user of weed.  The fact is that it is everywhere already.  I have no doubt that the majority of people in this country have either tried marijuana themselves or are extremely close to someone who has. 

 

There are no logical reasons to outlaw this product.  If America can break the mold and elect an african-american president, why couldn't we move forward as a country and legalize marijuana? 

 

I honestly don't think that it will take the guns out of the hands of the cartels, but if a byproduct is that they have a harder time purchasing these weapons, so be it. 

 

No one should have the authority to tell me how to relax, what makes me unwind is smoking a joint and watching a movie.  I don't run out and drive on the highway, I don't start fights in a bar, I don't call my ex girlfriend at 3 am. 

April 21, 2009
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CMRATL -

 

Your view is too narrow:

 

"The bottom line is though that the black market for marijuana will become obselete"

 

Absolutely absurd.  Bullets are legal.  You can buy bullets anywhere you want to.  But Big bullets are not legal.  I can't go buy 50 cal shells or a fully-automatic rifle very easily.  So, there's a black market for certain types of bullets.  You'll have the same thing with marijuana.  High-end, highly-potent marijuana will not be legalized, while plants that produce lower levels of THC will be. 

 

"We have some real problems right now that require real solutions, and furthermore real money.  The money has to come from somewhere.  Do we want to raise income taxes to support it?"

 

Nope - no one mentioned income taxes.  But you want to know the beauty of this situation that you fail to address?  If people weren't demanding drugs that were illegal and whose supply lines were underground, dangerous routes that involve slavery, guns, violence, and all of the other negative portions of the human psyche, then we wouldn't have to FIGHT AGAINST DRUG DEALERS, and then we wouldn't be spending any money.  How's that for a solution?  How beautifully eutopic is that?  It's funny how people who are breaking the law and causing suffering and death want to twist the law so they don't have to feel guilty anymore.

 

"One benefit would also be the fact that cartels and gangs funded by the trafficing of marijuana would cease." 

 

There is no basis for believing this.  Let's think about this for a minute.  Let's say that the going rate for a pound of pot is $500.  I have no idea what it is, but let's say that it is.  It's legalized, commoditized, and the price drops to $100.  You think they're going to be OK with that?  I don't think so.  Now it's off to something else to fill the gap, and we're still fighting a drug war, but now we've given up ground for no reason.

 

"Get on board, or gather more data, because the arguments posed here for those against simply dont hold water."

 

Funny.  Most of the pro-legalization arguments I've seen here (with the exception of yours, which I might add, is good) has been stoner speak.  "Yeah, man... it comes from mother earth!"  I believe your logic to be flawed and narrow, but your argument is better stated and organized.

 

The thing is, these arguments hold water quite well.  6% of the population.  That's the support base, because that's the estimated number of people of smoke pot.  Now, there are bound to be a lot of undecideds, and a lot of people who are open minded, but you're still fighting more of an uphill battle than the opponents. 

 

"...no one is gogin out of their way to call the DEA."

 

Nope.  But I'll call the sherriff if I suspect that someone's dealing.  That one guy smoking a single joint will be done by the time someone drives over and checks it out.  That dealer will still have product.  It's the same with anything.  People will get involved if the consequences of nonaction are high enough.

 

Oh.  BTW.  I am highly educated, and I am anti-meth labs, anti-gangs, and anti-assault weapons.  I'm also anti marijuana because, surprise, it's against the law, and it's up to educated people to either support the law or to show absolute proof why it should be changed.  When someone shows me proof positive that legalizing pot will make things better, I'll be the first to write Congress.  I've seen no such proof

 

April 21, 2009
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Four20 -

 

I hope you don't mind, but you won't get much of a response from me.  Your argument subscribes to the stoner speak of which I previously wrote.  To be brief:

 

1.  There are tons of logical reasons.  The question is whether they're relevant.

 

2.  I don't know how legalizing pot has anything to do with gun control, unless we're all too stoned to shoot.

 

3.  "No one should have the authority to tell you how to relax."

 

OK.  So, what about the guy who relaxes by slicing someone to pieces, or by shoving heroin in their veins or blazing out on meth.  Should society not be allowed to tell them that these activities are not allowed? 

 

4.  "I don't call my ex girlfriend at 3 am."

 

I'm sure she's thankful for that.

 

If you're going to argue civil liberties, at least show up with a good argument.  "Because I wanted to do it" has never been shown to be a defensible stance in the expansion of Civil Liberties.

April 21, 2009
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pot should be legal.

im 100% for it

 

check out http://norml.org/

it is an organization too help legalize.

 

i would appreciate it if America would support this organization, i believe this is one of the steps to legalization.

sincerely, joe quinn

April 21, 2009
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I think the marijuana laws are wrong when children in school can say it's far easier getting marijuana than alcohol.

 

I think the marijuana laws are wrong when criminals are getting wealthy on a plant that cost very little to grow.

 

I think the marijuana laws are wrong when no person in the hundreds of years of it's use has never overdosed and died on marijuana.

 

I think marijuana laws are wrong when Doctors are willing to put there license on the line in order to prescribe marijuana to ill patients.

 

Tobacco -


400,000+ yearly

Alcohol -


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Prescription -- 20,000+    "

Caffeine -


2,000+     "

Aspirin -


500+       "

Marijuana -


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