Thursday, May 21, 2009
Head-to-head: Should Vick return to the NFL?


Michael Vick is the subject of fierce debate on iReport.com. The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback -- who pleaded guilty in August 2007 to funding a dogfighting ring at his Virginia home -- returned there today, where he will spend the last two months of his 23-month sentence.

 

Now many are wondering whether Vick should return to the NFL or not.

 

iReporter krisitay , a "huge sports fan" who grew up with four dogs in her household, thinks Vick deserves a second chance. "There are many NFL players who have extensive rap sheets but are still allowed to lace up," she said. As long as Vick proves that he's learned his lesson, krisitay thinks he should be allowed to play.

 

EWillies1961 disagrees. "As long as the sports leagues continue to re-sign these athletes, their bad behavior will continue," he said. He believes Vick is no exception and should not be allowed in the NFL.

 

Who do you think has the stronger argument? Click the thumbnails to watch both videos and share your thoughts in the comments field below.

204 Comments
May 21, 2009
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OK, so Vick did the crime, now he is finishing his time.  He made a huge mistake and he admits it.  So what is the best use of this person?  To bury him in obscurity?  I would submit that we have an opportunity here to make better use of this situation.  Why not let him become the "poster boy" of what not to do?  Let him raise awareness by working with the Humane Society as he is already trying to do. He certainly has the motivation to make amends.  He can reach out to kids and show them the right things to do.  How to own up to your mistakes, and do everything you can to do what right going forward.  He also owes a lot of money.  Why not give him the chance to pay that back, as well as give back not only money, but his time to those he has harmed, like the Humane Society, animal shelters, and community programs?  There has been enough of the bad.  It would be a waste just to ignore the potential for good that can come from this. 

May 21, 2009
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He did not respect his position before so why would anyone think he would after being caught because everyone knows he is only sorry that he got caught, he isnt sorry or feels what he did was wrong or he would not have done it in the first place. It would be ignorant to offer him the ability he threw away once already. Give the position to someone that deserves it and maybe will even do some GOOD.

May 21, 2009
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That makes about as much sense as allowing a pedophile to volunteer in a day care center.  The only thing this thug is remorseful about is getting caught.  He should lose everything, INCLUDING any chance to play and become a millionaire again, the dogs he tortured and killed won't every have a chance to "play" again, why should he?  I will personally boycott the NFL if they allow him to play, as will hundreds, if not thousands of others. 

May 21, 2009
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Let me ask a simple question.  I did what he did, and subsequently lost my job....do you think that my company would hire me back?  Not a chance.  I agree with the comment that he is only sorry for getting caught.  Roger Goodell seems to be doing a good job punishing players for their misdeeds.  Allowing Vick to come back to the NFL in my mond would offset all the work he has done to date.  making millions of dollars playing football is a luxury, and one that Vick did not respect enough to stay clean.  I just do not understand how these jocks who make millions continue to do stupid things like carry guns, go to clubs all night, etc...   Do they not realize that they are lucky.  That is why we should give more praise to the people like Tiger Woods and Lebron James who set great examples.  Vick should work construction forever....like normal people do.

May 21, 2009
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Wow!! It amazes me that people are so harsh in their judgement of others. "By the same measure you judge so shall you be judged". I know that some of you who wish that this man should suffer more than he has have yourselves done some pretty aggregious acts in your lives. Boy I would love to see you beg for mercy when you must face judgement.

May 21, 2009
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I hear he has also been court-ordered to watch "Must Love Dogs" repeatedly for 160 hours.

May 21, 2009
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Clearly Mike was wrong in his treatment of the dogs and his judgement. On the same token, it is so amazing to me the hipcropacy shown towards him in this situation.  For years, Black women taken from their homes to be the mistress of a White slaveowner.  Black men were taken from their families to work as slaves.  Then there were the beatings, the hangings, the shootings and so many things that was so much worst to be done to HUMANS.  Where was and is the outrage for that?  Where is the outrage for the mistreatment of people in general, especially the small children.  There are priest in the pulpits taking advantage of young boys and remains in the ministry, only moved to a different location.  Where is the outrage.  The bible distinguishes between humans and animals, so yes there is a difference.  The questions I pose to all of you that are so outrage and thinking that Mike needs to pay any further debt to anyone for thing outside of jail time is this. When did kicking someone when they're down ever do anyone any good?  When is there ever enough payment for life's bad choices?  And last but not least, why are we always the first to put our fingers at others when they do wrong and all the time knowing that we are far from doing the right thing?  We just simply never get caught!!! We are humans and allowed chances to be the best that we can be.  As humans, we should not hinder anyone from trying to move forward and have another chance a progression and positivity.  If you don't want to be a part of it of watch him play, then don't, turn to another chanel, hell, turn your tv off.  I will be glad when he can start to play the game again!  The league needs some real Quarterback GOD GIVEN TALENT!!!  IT IS SORELY LACKING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!

May 21, 2009
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I don't think dogfighting should be illegal. It is just human nature to want to watch fighting just as in kickboxing or cockfighting or in anxient roman times they had gladiators. Thousands of dogs are killed by humans every year because they are not adopted by humans. If Vick is a good football player let him play football.

 

May 21, 2009
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It was some dogs people! Get over it!  Yes his crimes were bad but it was dogs.  People are taking this too far...comparing a dog killer to a pedophile or a rapist...that doesn't even sound right.  The man lost millions and his status.  Chill out.  What happened to fogivness or paying your debt to soceity.  And as far as him being a role model, if you are so bad of a parent your kids would rather want to be like a convicted dog killer and not like you...that's not Vick's fought that the parents.  When i was growing up (and to this day) i admired Isiah Thomas.  When he had allegations of sexual harrasment brought up against him i wasn't like "I can't wait to get to work tomorrow so I can harass a female coworker...yeah I want to be just like him".  Let just keep it real people and quit asking for crazy repentences such as Vick being killed...it was some DOGS!! PEOPLE

May 21, 2009
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Like it or not, sports figures for some reason become examples for our young people.  He had the chance to set a good example and failed.  Why would we want to reward bad behavior?  He should have to spend the rest of his life making amends for his actions.  The world of dogfighting is a world of abuse and pain for an animal that has no choice.  This was not just a few dogs and a backyard fight.  This was a well organized program of breeding/fighting and death.  There are so many more worthy young men out there who would have given anything to be in his NFL shoes - give those guys the chance - Vick had his chance and blew it. 

May 21, 2009
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I never really understood what he did wrong. He raised dogs for sport dog-huggers don't care much for. Personally, I would rather have most the dog huggers in jail, with their dogs.

May 21, 2009
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to compare this to a pedophile is wrong. pedophile and day care center don't mix. what does playing football have to do with anything he did? the answer... nothing.he got busted... he's served the most time anyone has had to for something like this and that's it.you have people getting out earlier after killing a person.so lets say your employer won't hire you back... does that mean the entire industry should ban you? in this case the Falcons won't have him back. if he plays in the NFL have him go play elsewhere. i'm sure all of these people being so harsh have never ever done anything wrong in their life

May 21, 2009
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why shouldn't vick get a second chance. i know killing animals is a bad thing and i don,t condone it but there are players who have done worse things and still get to make millions. ray lewis was indirectly involved with the murder of two people and he got to play in the super bowl and be mvp. i don,t think it gets much worse than that.if you remember he punked out and pleaded the fifth instead of what telling what happened to keep justice from being done.

May 21, 2009
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Other posters are correct that Mr. Vick is soon to complete his debt to society and should not be punished by society any further for his crimes.  However the NFL is not society.  It is a business with a critical brand name to protect and allowing him to return would tarnish that brand name.  They owe it to their shareholders (owners), employees (players, coaches, staff) and customers (the fans) not to damage that brand.

May 21, 2009
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Vick is 100% pure scum.

 

He deserves absolutely nothing except a minimum wage job for the rest of his life.

 

Scum like this who can hurt, torture, mame, and kill defenseless animals and enjoy watching the suffering have no conscience or empathy.  He does not care about anyone other than himself.  This is the exact type of person who later could torture, rape, or kill humans without giving it a second thought.

 

He cannot understand that what he did is wrong and he never will.  Anything to the contrary out of his mouth is just an act.

 

BYE BYE VICK...

May 21, 2009
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NO, NO, NO NFL FOR VICK!

How can Vick take back all his INTENTIONAL CRUELTY?

Drowning dogs, smashing their heads open, hanging dogs, strangling dogs, putting dogs on RAPE STANDS!

HE CAN'T TAKE ANY OF HIS UNFORGIVABLE ACTS BACK!

IT'S DONE!

NO, NO, NO MORE CHANCES for Vick.

He SQUANDERED all his MONEY!

HIS BAD, SO SAD!

 

May 21, 2009
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Mahonanyb... don't bring slavery into this, it doesn't fit. first off get your history straight, black people sold other black people to the whites, in business world the whites were "customers". if anything black people should hate one those betrayers of the same race.i ain't white.please get over it.it's been over 200 years.can't everyone just treat everybody else the same.why does race keep coming up. you've got a black president for the love of god.

May 21, 2009
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so if you get busted you should never be allowed to work in your profession again if it has nothing to do with what you got busted with?

May 21, 2009
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I don't get why so many people are so quick to judge a man who has already been judged and punished. All of us at some point and time in our lives have broken a law, or has done something that is considered unethical. I believe wrong is wrong and right is right. A lot of people say that M.V. is a role model for children, and that he has set a bad example, yet they fail to speak of all of the good examples he's set. People need to realize that no one is perfect and everyone makes bad decisions at some point and time in their lives. What Vick did was really F*@ked up, but he got what he deserved. Now it is time to move on. It really irk's me how so many people want Vicks head on a platter for BANK ROLLING a dog fighting ring, when police in this country can kill a hispanics, and blacks without any justfication. It's all ass backward. Give Vick another try. You would want the same.

May 21, 2009
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i wonder why parents flip out at M.V. not being a role model for their children when the parents themselves should be the role model... not someone outside the family.

May 21, 2009
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I always find it fascinating when people argue that it was 'just dogs'.  You perfectly illustrate your lack of education and complete and total ignorance.  What we are talking about here is the PRINCIPAL.  Did you know that Michael Vick didn't JUST BANKROLL dogfighting - he PARTICIPATED IN THE KILLING AND TORTURE OF DOGS? A lot of news articles never mention he actively participated in the killing of dogs.  Did you know that some of the dogs were thrown down repeatedly onto concrete until they died?  

 

And here's another one for all of you saying that it was 'just dogs'.  If a human being is fully capable of torturing an animal (a living, breathing, feeling being), then they are more able to commit it against a human.  Did you know that a huge percentage of serial killers started out torturing animals? What does that tell you? I'm not saying Vick is along the same lines a serial killer, but it is very revealing as to his lack of conscience and lack of character and integrity.  Micheal Vick was fully capable of doing this, and had plenty of chances in his own mind to say to himself 'what I am doing is wrong'.  He only stopped when he was caught.  Yes, it's great that he is working with the Humane Society, and he's paying his dues.  But if he was let back into the NFL, the message it sends is very damaging.  He is only sorry he was caught, and he's only working with the Humane Society so that he can clean up him image so he can go back to making millions of dollars while the rest of us honest folk work our fingers to the bone for a few bucks.  He gave up his 'privilege' to play with the NFL with each dog he knowingly tortured until it was dead.  He had no conscience then, and I doubt he has one now. He just wants to play for the NFL.   And for those ignorants saying it was 'just dogs' - it's way more than that, you prove your ignorance and that you are nothing better than a thug too. But it actually takes an educated, intelligent brain to see it that it is clearly more than that. 

May 21, 2009
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Leo 2600.  May professions bar members from practicing if they commit crimes.  Even if they have nothing to do with the practice of their profession.  Happens to Doctors and Lawyers all the time.

May 21, 2009
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I swear if people done get over it.  The man has served his time.. It's a shame that people value dogs over humans the way they do. You have people killing people in this world that get treated better than Mike is right now.  So, he screwed up.. Like everybody doesn't make bad decisions in life.  And everyone who says that she shouldn't be allowed to "make millions" again are full of it.  So he should have to work for minimum wage forever to please you? And over something that he has already paid his dues for? Spare me.. Let him back in the NFL..

May 21, 2009
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TriggerG, i respect your opinion but do not agree

May 21, 2009
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Um...nowhere in anyone's argument did they say that they value dogs more than humans. That's another favorite 'argument' I find so entertaining. Why is it that people think that when there's outrage over the torture of an animal that nobody would care if it happened to a person? HUH? ONE SHOULD VALUE BOTH people AND animals. That's the testament of a compassionate person.  The same outrage would apply if he had murdered someone.  The concept is the same: Michael Vick is a criminal - and being let back into the NFL damages its reputation and makes it appear as nothing more than a den of thugs that put on football uniforms. But then again...the ones find no problem with Vick being a criminal are usually those that secretly agree with his mentality.

May 21, 2009
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Leo 2600.  Thanks for the words.  I agree with your thought on role models above.  If MV is some kid's primary role model, what have their parents(not) been doing?

May 21, 2009

This is not about serving his time. Vick has some serious emotional and mental issues that he needs to address. Cruelty to animals is a prelude to cruelty to humans.Weather or not the NFL will reinstate him is a matter of the number of tickets that will be sold because of him. If the tickets don't sell. the NFL will drop his behind. That is the NFL's main concern, profit.

May 21, 2009
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sf112 is completely right and I recommend you read his post.

 

I can't believe some people think that 60 dogs compare to a loss of money and 1 and a half years of jail. Really? If he had done what he did to EVEN ONE human, no one would ever let him into the NFL.

 

Some of you people are really cold, heartless people. One person even said dogfighting should be legal. Wow. Clearly some people don't have souls.

 

Some of those dogs recovered from their trauma. Some of them had to be put down because they were "too far gone." And people think they're "just dogs." Woah. Clearly not many people know how similar dogs' nervous systems are to ours.

 

There are some really sick, twisted people on here. And letting a guy make millions after only 1 and a half years in jail is basically telling dogfighters and animal torturers that they're free to continue doing what they do.

May 21, 2009
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sf112, that's the most narrow-minded argument yet. to say that those who don't mind Vick playing in the NFL share his criminal mentality - lol. wow. that was funny. i bet you won't find anyone else in history that has served 2 yrs cuz of dog fighting

May 21, 2009
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dirtmcgirt79 apparently thinks that the torture and starvation of 60 dogs (not to mention the brutal executions of 8 of them) isn't worth very much. Clearly an example of another soulless person.

May 21, 2009
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Yes Vick needs to be let back into the NFL.  What I would like to know why such hatred and anger toward the man, is it because of the killing of defenseless animals than in that case you should be just as outraged everytime a hunter kills a deer or any other animal in the wild.  The NFL does not bar anyone who are convicted of crimes from being in the league.  Leonard Little killed a woman on a DUI and was still able to play football there have been countless other players who have beaten their wives, girlfriends, and not been barred.  If you are not going to ban them then you should not ban Vick.  The real problem is because this man was millionaire is why people are mad because if he was making 25,000 a year and a bus driver no one would care.

May 21, 2009
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My emotional response is that Michael Vick deserves much worse than the prison sentence that he received.  I don't understand the people who make statements like "people value dogs over humans".  It's not a matter of valuing one over the other.  It's not as if Vick was given the choice between saving a human's life or a dog's life.  No, in this case the point is that he was involved in the deliberate torture of living, breathing creatures.  It's just horrible, unjustifiable, senseless behavior, and it demonstrates a lack of compassion and conscience.  Someone posted that dog fighting is a sport, like any other sport.  I disagree.  Show me the dog that signs a consent form and gets paid millions of dollars for being in that ring, and then maybe we'll talk.  Otherwise stop with the ridiculous analogies.  Another silly analogy - a comparison to slavery?  Just because atrocities were committed in the past doesn't mean we should continue to commit atrocities in the present....

 

As to whether Vick should be allowed to play again in the NFL...I don't think his being a felon means he isn't qualified to play football.  I think people should be offered jobs based on their talent and abilities, and that has nothing to do with his inhumane treatment of animals.  Unless...(and I don't know much about this stuff) he broke some kind of NFL rule which says you can't play football if you're a criminal.  True his punishment did not fit the crime, but unfortunately taking it out on his football career isn't the answer either.

May 21, 2009
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Corydillinge - yes, it's just too bad the NFL continues to keep disgusting criminals who murder and beat their wives and girlfriends.  It's incredibly disturbing.  It's disgusting and a testament that the NFL is a money-grubbing organization that could care less about human lives and integrity. It's very sad.  They should start to set an example for the country that it will no longer be tolerated - and they should start with Michael Vick. If you're a criminal and you enjoy torturing animals and beating and murdering women, then you should NOT BE IN THE NFL!!  Plain and simple. I really will never understand people who do not understand this. Such a freaking sad reflection of how many pathetic, amoral people are out there.

May 21, 2009
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There have been hundreds of Professional Football Players arrested over the years and still allowed to play the game.

 

Yes, what Vick did was wrong and horrible, but he paid for his mistakes and now they should let him at least have the oportunity to play for a team (Not saying any team will or should let him play) but he should have that chance.

 

 

May 21, 2009
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OFF WITH HIS HEAD - lol

May 21, 2009
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You are right corydillinge, hunting is just as stupid and pointless as dog fighting and the people that partake of wither have the exact same lack of conscience and inability to respect life.

 

Whatever team is dumb enough to hire this idiot, will not get my support or the support of countless other fans.  Their sponsors will also be boycotted.  It is not worth the risk to hire MV for any team.  They are running a business and I really doubt that Nike or any other brand will ever want to be associated with this pathetic excuse for a human being.

May 21, 2009
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I understand the outrage at the act but people have to have forgiveness in their hearts.  I beleive you have to view the entire person and Vick has given money to keep people from being put on the street, helped sick kids and done a lot for the community. 

May 21, 2009
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PRACTICAL HAS MADE A VALID POINT CONCERNING THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. THEREFORE, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT IF YOU ARE FOUND GUILTY OF KILLING BUGS (ROACHES ETC.) YOU HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND THEREFORE ARE A PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING SINCE YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE.

May 21, 2009
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FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO EAT MEAT OF ANY KIND. AS PER PRACTICAL, "hunting is just as stupid and pointless as dog fighting and the people that partake of wither have the exact same lack of conscience and inability to respect life." THEREFORE YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO PAY SOMEONE FOR KILLING AN ANIMAL FOR YOU, ALLOWING YOU TO PURCHASE IT AT THE MARKET. DOING SO WILL MEAN YOU HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND THEREFORE ARE A PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING SINCE YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR LIFE.

May 21, 2009
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Just another thug with athletic talent and not much else to redeem his pathetic arrogant way of life and culture. Never have bought a professional sports ticket of any kind and never will. I do not support Vic and the rest of the thugs that run in his crowd be they football players or baseball player or whatever player...

Plowing a field behind a mule is all he deserves, but then he would demean the wholesome image of a man working for a living.

May 21, 2009
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I'm sorry- but did someone just compare this situation to slavery?  (mahoganyb) First of all- let's take a step forward, not a giant step back.  And let's compare apples to apples shall we? What Mike Vick did was disgusting- on many levels.  The fact that he has no remorse is hideous.  I think the worst part was he did what all celebrities do... they deny, deny, deny and say that they will be vindicated and that their honor will be restored, blah, blah, blah.  Then lo and behold- they actually did it.  Do I think he should be persecuted for the rest of his life- no.  But do I think his slate should just be wiped clean- no.  Maybe he should just be a real man for a while and move on.

May 21, 2009
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No, hunting for survival or hitting a deer on the road is way, WAY different than dogfighting. Both usually end that animal's suffering quickly and while hitting a deer on the road is senseless, it's also an accident.

 

But psychologically and physically torturing 60 dogs is a whole different matter. He had a choice with the first dog... and the second.. and the third... and so forth. He demonstrated a lack of empathy that is frightening in its extremity time after time after time.

 

Mentioning other people that have gotten away with their crimes and rejoined the NFL just proves that those people can escape from justice for money.

 

And there's something seriously wrong with that.

May 21, 2009
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I think Vick will end up in Miami or San Fran after he's reinstated.

May 21, 2009
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Personally, Vick is a moron.  His friends are morons.  I hope that SOB has bitten his nails down to nubs over losing his career, his home, and his fan base.  If Terry Bradshaw ever did something like this you can bet they’d never let him play.  Hell, the Baseball commission banned Pete Rose for life just for gambling, and he never even killed anything or anybody. If Vick gets to play this would be a HUGE double-standard, and I, a long-time Raiders fan since 1974, will never watch professional football again AND CANCEL my NFL Sunday Ticket.  Period.  Vick should try ice skating if he wants to try to make some cash.  Welcome to life, pal, it sucks.  Strap on some skates and get used to it.

May 21, 2009
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People People People! The only reason this is as big of a deal as it is...is b/c of the press and people like you who have nothing to do but complain, regardless of whose side you're on.

 

mahoganyb - you should pay attention to the news more often b/c there's outrage over your mentioned items on a daily basis. I'm one who expresses the outrage with you and it's there. Just pay closer attention and stop reading the BS type of news.

 

crand2003 - your analogy to ancient times is idiotic. wake up...it ain't ancient times! if it were, strangers would be coming into your home and getting away with things I can't describe on this post. Head over to the middle east for a quick dose and you'll see what I mean.

 

flinttownman - not sure if you admire Isiah Thomas on his ability to play basketball or his character. If his character, you need to check yourself and learn more about how much he's not an outstanding person. Another idiotic analogy.

 

I could go on and on. Bottom line, and this comes from a Hokie who went to school with Vick and I'm also a dog/animal lover, I hate Vick for what he did and the legacy he tarnished at Virginia Tech. Do I think he should be allowed a 2nd chance? Not really. But PacMan Jones, Michael Irvin, Jamal Lewis, Allen Iverson and so many others who were involved with drugs, murder, etc have been given 2nd chances so why shouldn't Vick get another shot? Heck...give'em 3rd and 4th chances like half of the NFL players have been given. Gooddell and the NFL as well as all pro' sports leagues need to start putting the hammer down when these heinous crimes occur.

 

For those of you who keep saying, "get over it, it's just dogs people." Well, he broke the law people! Like Snoop Dogg quoted in Lil Ghetto Boy, "Since I did the crime, I gotsta do da time." Good for Vick for serving his time.

 

But his crime and some many others comitted by pro players ain't your run of the mill DUI you hear about a pro athlete getting every month. He was forcing dogs to rape each other. He was depriving dogs of food to the point of emaciation so they'd kill. You don't understand what that does to an animals psyche. Go to Africa, hang out with some lions in their own evirnonment. See what happens when they become hungry.

 

Lastly, what you all don't realize is that these players sign contracts. In these contracts are stipulations requiring them to use good judgement, character and stay out of situations that would cause you to break the law. Like "bdcones" states he did the same and lost his job. Would you hire him back. My guess is probably not...unless you're an NFL player.

May 21, 2009
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Although I agree that it is wrong to harm animals, it is amazing to me that people are punished and judge more harshly for harming anminals, then they are each other.  There are many athletes that have been charged and convicted for abuse to their spouse/girlfriends, however they continue to return to the NFL/NBA.

May 21, 2009
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jackjack44, i disagree with your point of view. Pete Rose's actions were directly involved with the sport. What Vick did had no relation in any way shape or form. in my opinion that was a poor comparison.

May 21, 2009
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Yes, he did all of things he did.

 

As I read these emails I realize how judgmental some of you are.

 

There are players right now in the NFL who committed more heinous transgressions against people and they still play.

 

Leonard Little killed a woman while drunk and driving.  He served an 8 game suspension by the NFL, served a short time in jail and resumed his career.

 

You can argue intent but not severity of the crime when comparing him with MV. 

It will be interesting to see what happens to Donte Stallworth (both legally and the NFL) over his drunk driving accident.  My Guess is he will serve less jail time that MV for this crime.  TIme will tell.

 

He served his time, he paid his debt, he should be allowed to pursue a living with any company who will accept him, just as any of you would had you been in the same circumstance.  If you do not like it then stop watching.

 

What kind of society do we have when a crime against animals is more severely punished than a crime against humanity? It is a sad state of affairs indeed.  This is an example of celebrity costing him more than if he had been a "guy on the street".  People are convicted everyday of dog fighting and few of them serve time, but because to was MV our society chooses to make an example of him.

 

I can only infer from some of the venom and outrage, that many of you value an animal's life higher than a human life...... I just do not get it.

May 21, 2009
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@ Leo2600

 

First let me acknowledge that this is an unsolicited opinion, but I cannot help inform you as to why your statements are troubling.  First of all, I think that mahoganyb brings great points to the table that some non-blacks, and non-people of color may not completely understand.  There is a huge sentiment among marginalized groups that feel that issues regarding oppression and inequality are not taken seriously in America; however, the same people who shrug off this ill treatment of its citizens come out in full force to advocate for animals.

 

To your point regarding getting history straight, though you posit that Black Africans sold other Black Africans to Whites who sold who becomes a mute point because the enslavement of Black Africans in America was not the first form of slavery.  In fact, slavery was not an uncommon practice in the world.  What makes American Slavery unique and more devastating than other forms of slavery is that it was one of the first, if not the first, to implement chattel slavery.  In some other forms of slavery, the slave still maintains certain rights and could even take his master to trial and sue if those rights were violated.  In Chattel Slavery the slave is no longer considered a person, but becomes property.  This form of slavery not only dehumanized Black Africans, it created an institution of inequality, oppression toward one group and allowed another group unearned privilege that still has a great bearing on race relations today.

 

To your last point about why race keeps coming up, I would argue that America has yet to openly address issues regarding race, among other forms of oppression.  There are still huge disparities between races and the notion that racism is dead because we have elected a Black President is completely untrue.  Racism is much deeper than that.  Even if everyone just suddenly began to be nice to one another, racism would not disappear.  Racism (one of the many isms) is institutionalized in American Culture.  The challenge that Americans face is deconstructing that wall of oppression.  So while Mahoganyb’s points may seem to come out of left field, he or she is bringing a perspective to the table that is too often neglected.

 

I hope you take this comment as an invitation to engage in conversation rather than an outright attack.

 

May 21, 2009
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Animals are definitely worth more than some of the pathetic humans on this planet.  The NFL is full of brainless fat boys hitting each other.  That is really something to worship.  I'd take an animal over most of the people in the NFL any day.

May 21, 2009
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I love dogs and cats, but Dick Cheney shot somebody with a shotgun and kept his job.

May 21, 2009
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"I can only infer from some of the venom and outrage, that many of you value an animal's life higher than a human life...... I just do not get it."

 

And I can only infer from your comment that 60 dogs do not even approach the value of a human life.

 

Which is disgusting.

May 21, 2009
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The issue is simple.  The NFL is an employer.  When you "apply" for a job as a professional player, you get hired if you have the necessary skills and the team (read "employer") has a need for said skills.

The fact is that the NFL on their "appliction for employment" does not have a check box to note any prior felonies like most employers do. Thus once he gets out of prison he has a right to try to earn a living using his skills.  His skills will most likely qualify him for the position of a QB in the NFL.  Thus since he is a free man he can apply.

Now, if the NFL were to institute said check box on their "application" then it's up to them to not "hire" him.  If they do that, they must review all current and future players' criminal history to decide if they are eligible for employment.  If you do not treat all potential employers of the same category the same way, you risk putting yourself in a civil liability.

 

May 21, 2009
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Man92, i accept your point of view. i would like to correct however that there has been chattel slavery in the past... you can find record of this in the book of Exodus regarding the Israelites... and they suffered 400 years of slavery. i would like to emphasize however that slavery in any way is wrong. what happened happened in the past... leave it in the past. no need to bring it up again as justification or comparison. i personally believe that race issues are brought up more by blacks than whites. its ok for blacks to call whites cracker, or call each other nigger... yet hell would break lose if it came from a white. like i said, i'm not white... my opinion is from the outsider point of view.you have professionals being let go after 30 yrs of service claiming they were discriminated against because of race. i just think it has to stop at one point. even bill cosby said that... and he's black.

May 21, 2009
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Get real people.  You are offering him exactly what he wants - to be in the limelight.  Being from southwest virginia that is all we heard when he was at Virginia Tech.  It's disgusting what he did and my support of the humane society will become zero if they use him as their "mouthpiece" and poster boy.  He was wrong.  He lied.  He killed.  In a middle east country he probably would have been imprisoned for life.  Let's support someone who is worthy of being called a human being.

May 21, 2009
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He made a deliberate decision when he tortured the dogs. Now he should be made to suffer ALL the consquences of his actions. No NFL for Vick. Let him play in Europe, Canada or arena football.

 

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May 21, 2009
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Man92 - your history, as well as your sense of surroundings is really skewed.  Chattel slavery is the oldest and most common form of slavery.  The Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Do you think they had rights? Give America credit for taking the initiative to stand up to it. And your statements that "America this and that" are silly.  Every country in the world faces issues of discrimination.  Ism's aren't nationalistic, they ethnic and cross all borders.

May 21, 2009
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Leo2600 - You have a lot of time on your hands.  Let me ask you something-are you a born-again Christian?  Let me answer itNO you are not.  Know this, "If you cannot forgive Michael Vick or anyone for that matter, God certainly will not forgive you either."  This is not my opinion, it is Scripture.  You can comment if you would like, but you are simply sad wasting negative comments such as these.  Think about it and do something productive.

May 21, 2009
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do you really want to discuss middle east practices here?

May 21, 2009
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Vick committed a crime, was sentenced in a court of law and fulfilled his punishment. As atrocious as his actions were, his situation is no different than a welder who robs an old lady and is sent to prison. After completion of sentence, he should be allowed to return to welding.  Just because Vick's profession is more profitable doesn't mean we should start changing the law.

May 21, 2009
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san57, i think you are a retard. if you read all of my posts you will understand that i am advocating for everyone to get over it, let him play, he paid his dues and move on! which = to forgiving. at no time did i say not to forgive... some posts i was mocking others comments. since you appear to be bible literate ... i suggest to head to the council in Proverbs and take in all facts before speaking. otherwise you will sound stupid. i bet you can't even cite the text which speaks of forgiving others if you want to be forgiven

May 21, 2009
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I noticed a comment about comparing dog fighting to hunting and I have to say there is some merrit there. If you are hunting for food that is one thing, survival of the fittest, but there are a lot of people (ESPN Hunting shows) that hunt just for the KILL (why would you want to hang a dead carcus above your fire place). Follow along with my train of thought here. People grow up to the culture around them, its my understanding that dog fighting is popular in some areas of our country just like hunting is. Just because one thing is illegal and something else isnt doesnt make it right.

May 21, 2009
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Listen everyone in order for everyone to be happy, dog lovers and football lovers of which I am both lets all agree on this. Please support Michael Vick to continue playing

football in order for Him to earn money so He can contribute at least part of his salary

to the Humane Society. He should also do charity events and talk to everyone not only kids(because He and His people were not kids when this happened)about dog fighting

May 21, 2009
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Did we forget that M.V. also killed atleast 13 dogs with his own hands?  By drowning them, breaking their necks, etc.  I will be completely appalled if he is allowed to play in the NFL again. He was given a talent and was lucky enough to be one of the selected few who make it to the NFL, and it was his choice to throw it all away.  He had millions of dollars, so tbe dog fighting obviously wasn't about the monetary gain, he did this for entertainment.  That is sick!

May 21, 2009
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still looking for it San57? you will find it in Matthew 6.

May 21, 2009
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Did you know that many credible psycho-graphic and anthropological studies show that people who kill people- it's not usually the first time they engaged in this type of violence... they usually start with animals. Not saying he will kill someone- but it says a lot about his character....

May 21, 2009
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He should be allowed to lace-up. He admitted to wrong doing without there being a trial. He did not try to argue is case, as most people have done.  Was caught he through himself on the mercy of the court, realizing he would loose a great deal. He did his time, is repentant now allow him to resume his life. There is a lesson to be learn in all this.  It shows there is redemption if you really want it. His debt to society has been paid. We cannot continue to punish him. The purpose of prison and punishment is redemption.  Now should he go astray then to his will be once again punishment. Until such time, allow up to be welcomed into the fold.

May 21, 2009
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How many people eat meat? Do we say anything about the people who slaughter chickens, cows , dear, etc.... NO!!! In some people eyes, dogs are family members, but on the other hand so are pigs and cows. If you cheat on your spouse, should you be barred from getting married again? We need to forgive and give someone a second chance at life. No one is perfect.

May 21, 2009
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What's the point of the criminal justice system if we never forgive?  At some point a person has to be given a chance after he/she has paid for his/her crime.  Anything else is about as un-Christian as you can get.

May 21, 2009
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I agree with what this guy said...give the guy a break!  I mean there are many people who can really love animals and especially dogs more than I.  He did his time and should be allowed to be a productive member of society again, period!!!  I see a lot of hypocrites on here and I feel that if they were in his shoes where they committed a crime and were sent to prison and then when they got out I know they would want to go back to what they know in their profession.  RELAX PEOPLE, SHIT!!!  let him go back to work...get over it

 

Vick committed a crime, was sentenced in a court of law and fulfilled his punishment. As atrocious as his actions were, his situation is no different than a welder who robs an old lady and is sent to prison. After completion of sentence, he should be allowed to return to welding.  Just because Vick's profession is more profitable doesn't mean we should start changing the law.

May 21, 2009
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Desydez How many people eat meat? Do we say anything about the people who slaughter chickens, cows , dear, etc.... NO!!! In some people eyes, dogs are family members, but on the other hand so are pigs and cows. If you cheat on your spouse, should you be barred from getting married again? We need to forgive and give someone a second chance at life. No one is perfect.>>>>

 

 

 

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!!!!  I hate the guy for what he did but he and us need to move on and make the best of it...

May 21, 2009
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1977Gemini Did we forget that M.V. also killed atleast 13 dogs with his own hands?  By drowning them, breaking their necks, etc.  I will be completely appalled if he is allowed to play in the NFL again. He was given a talent and was lucky enough to be one of the selected few who make it to the NFL, and it was his choice to throw it all away.  He had millions of dollars, so tbe dog fighting obviously wasn't about the monetary gain, he did this for entertainment.  That is sick!.....

 

GEMINI-

 

you just don't get it...we are all better off (the humane society especially) if Vick gets to play football again...

May 21, 2009
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Well Wel Well, I can"t say I didn't see this coming but to see so many of you out in the open. Why was he even sent to jail? If this is how were going to treat people they shouldn't have to go to jail. I must say I've been looking at some of your profiles and I don't see many of you speaking out on things were people were hurt and asking why, who, and what can I do to help.

 

I also took a look at the clock and many of you are at work (I hope). So should you keep your job since your in respect stealing from your job by using company time to do this. Now knowing you've done this before I don't think you should have a job that allows you to work with a PC. Having said that kiss your way of living good by just like you want VICK TO DO!

May 21, 2009
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The criminal justice system does not forgive.  Criminal conviction records are usually permanent regardless of the act committed. I don't believe this is about forgiveness anyway.  If I was convicted of a felony, I would no longer be able to work in my industry. I would have to start over in a new industry/profession and I hope he has to do the same.  But, then again, I value my ability to earn a living and spent several years busting my behind to get here.  And, guess what?  That will not happen to me because I choose not to commit felonies.

May 21, 2009
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Leo2600 - I have been away from my computer and just signed back on because I knew you would comment, and saw your comment regarding forgiveness.  Not only can I quote, but I live it.  I would rather be bible literate than bible illiterate.  When you carry the word in your heart, you don't have to look it up.  Yes it is Matthew 6:14 which states:  "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly father will also forgive you."  Go ahead and continue to post your comments, but this time I will never know what you posted--besides, you would have lost the bet on what I could or could not quote from the bible.  You act as though I should be ashamed of knowing God and the bible!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm not.

May 21, 2009
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Oh, how quaint! A white girl who doesn't know squat about the game supports a black man, and a black man who also doesn't know squat about the game is against the black man! Oh the irony. Give me a break.

May 21, 2009
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How many stray dogs are "put down" by PROFESSIONALS each year because they have no home????

 

Killind is killing no matter who does it.

May 21, 2009
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It appears to me that some people aren't in favor of MV returning to pro football because of the prestige and money that come along with the position.  I'd appreciate if people could get over their jealousy and not let that persuade their train of thought.  Just because "you have to work your fingers to the bone for a few 'honest' bucks" as if pro football isn't an honest living, doesn't mean MV should be stripped of his right to make an honest living too. Furthermore, to those of you who say other convicted felons wouldn't be allowed to do their old jobs, is that even right in the first place?

May 21, 2009
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I'm outraged that hunting or fishing for fun is considered a sport.

 

I'm outraged that rodeos and circuses are accepted as normal in our society.

 

I'm outraged at the maiming that goes on in the horse and dog racing industries.

 

I'm outraged at the unnecessary cruelty in animal testing that occurs under the illusion of good science.

 

I'm outraged that torturing an animal for its skin is still accepted by the fashion industry.

 

I'm outraged at the hidden horrors that occur to millions of animals everyday on our farms is accepted and subsidized by our government.

 

I'm outraged that violence is considered an acceptable form of entertainment for our children.

 

I'm outraged that SOOOO MUCH ATTENTION is being paid to 1 man and his crimes because he can throw and run!

 

WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE NOW???  

 

Ours is a violent society, its on the street and the field, and our fascination and acceptance of it is why the entertainment industry gives us movies, music, and sports that reflect our natural tendency.  If you are truly outraged at the acts committed by this individual, and yet you love to see a guy hit so hard that he bleeds or is knocked out, you have a lot more in common with people who enjoy dogfighting that you might care to admit to yourself. 

 

"Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house."

May 21, 2009
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For people that say these were "just dogs", "get over", you totally miss the point, and that is scary. if you do not feel empathy for any living creature that is suffering pain, you are lacking in something. Vick was not just a 'bad boy' who got involvement in dog fighting, or made a little mistake.  He choice a cruel path to go down. He could afford to put down his 'loser dogs' with a painless shot, but he CHOOSE to personally brutally beat, and drown them, feeling nothing for their agony.  These sick acts are called torture!  This not a flaw that can be fixed with a few months in prison, if ever. Do you really think it's OK, for someone who can preform these cruel acts to be paid millions, get their job back and even become roles models?  People who torture don't change, nor do they don't regret their acts only that they got caught. They pretend to have reformed so society will accept them, but in the end they are still the same dark person. Vick isn't sorry for the suffering and death he caused only that he got caught.  Some deserved a second chance.  He does not.

May 21, 2009
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"1977Gemini The criminal justice system does not forgive.  Criminal conviction records are usually permanent regardless of the act committed. I don't believe this is about forgiveness anyway.  If I was convicted of a felony, I would no longer be able to work in my industry. I would have to start over in a new industry/profession and I hope he has to do the same.  But, then again, I value my ability to earn a living and spent several years busting my behind to get here.  And, guess what?  That will not happen to me because I choose not to commit felonies. "

 

you must be a government employee if you can't work in your profession after committing a felony...but any civilian that commits a felony, gets con"vick"ted and does his/her time then when he/she gets out then that person should absolutely be allowed to work in his or her profession.  I work in construction and this is all I know..If I committed a felony, did my time then should I not be allowed to work in construction again?  to force convicts to find a new profession is utterly ridiculous..

 

Gemini...you are making me think you are an idiot and since I believe you are a government employee that just proves you are an idiot even more...Good Day!

May 21, 2009
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Vick is a grown man. He didn't make a "boo-boo". He committed terrible cruel acts against defenseless living beings with full knowledge and understanding.  Most of us could not, would not ever do those things. He has something missing in his make-up as a human being. A crossed wire, a broken switch...whatever.  He should not be reinstated to a highly visible, highly regarded, highly salaried role because, unless he's had a lobotomy, he is still the person he was. And, that wasn't much of a role model, now was it? 

May 21, 2009
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To be hoest with you, alot of you people commenting on Michael Vick's situation, sound flat out jealous.  You folks can't stand the fact that this guy has an opportunity to make the kind money you people can only dream of.  Their would not be this much dislike for this guy if he was pursueing a regular job.  The fact that he will be making Millions and will become a house hold name again, is killing all you people out there who want to seee this young man fail.  Get a life.

May 21, 2009
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He should be given the same opportunities that any other felon is allowed - working at some crappy job. Not playing for $Millions on TV. He is scum! If you are that cruel to dogs, you just don't value life. Besides - he's not THAT talented!

 

And SLAVERY??? Remember - the first man to own African slaves in the Colonies was a black man. Watch where you place the blame. We are all guilty.

(in the 17th century, 75% of the world were slaves of some sort. Many still are)

May 21, 2009
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THANK YOU SEYDOGG!!! 

 

you're right 100%...Being an animal lover I hate to think that he can make millions again, but he is talented and should be given the second chance to make amends his terrible decisions..

 

everybody deserves a second chance!

 

 

May 21, 2009
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what about all of the animal slaughter houses around this country, I'll bet some of you will be eating ribs, burgers, chicken, how do you people think these animals are treated before they kill them and you eat them? If you're going to save all of gods creatures, lets save all of them.

May 21, 2009
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Yes he deserves another chance. Most of you would be still doing time, paying a fine, or paying some debt to society if there was no limit to the punishment given. So don't create an environment where you yourselves can't live in. For example get caught speeding pay the fine, and now you could never work in the field of your expertise ever again? Be it a doctor, lawyer, manager, dentist, news person and so on. He served time for his mistakes and, should have the option to do whatever he wants legally because now life goes on. Now some or most of you dog lovers, sound meaner than most of us reasonable minded people. Also some of you dog lovers really need to find out what is missing in your life to allow an animal (dog, cat, pig, chicken or whatever) sleep in your bed????   

May 21, 2009
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I think professional sports has been a safe haven for those who commit egregious crimes for far too long. The message sent when professional athletes are allowed to return to their sports after committing horrific acts is one of rewards for bad acts.  It appears that positive ideals and images have no place in professional sports. Acting within the law, displaying ethics and morals is not necessary.

 

And, sports fans as a whole have some ownership of this. They look the other way, get irate, shout prejudice and persecution. Yet generally show not a whit of sympathy to the victim/victims of their touted 'hero'.

The sense of entitlement some pros display is disgusting.

May 21, 2009
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No way. There are tons of talented people out there waiting for their chance to play. Michael Vick is not the god of football. He's a criminal and a sick, violent man. Football players are role models and he's not cut out!

 

And to all you people who say we care about dogs more than people, WRONG AGAIN. If I yell about a rapist does that mean I don't care what happens to a murderer? Justice is justice. I hope that none of you have pets, because you obviously don't know how to extend the respect for life to anything that can't speak for itself!

May 21, 2009
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It's amazing, you know... people who "just don't get it" will never get it. Whether or not it's stated explicitly, it's often implied that the animals that were tortured -- because they were not human -- don't matter. Consequently, if anyone has a dog that barks, then (according to these people) your next-door neighbor could just walk over and shoot your dog at any time if he/she was annoyed at the barking. "Who cares?"... it's just a dog, right?

 

This really is a ridiculous argument and besides the point. If it's illegal and Vick knew it was illegal, then Vick deliberately and knowingly committed a felony. Hey if you don't give a damn about animals, then I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about why you should care... fine, don't care. But, don't tell me that convicted Michael Vick is being treated any different than any other convicted felon. Listen, ask how many felons are driving school buses or have jobs as college professors or have other good professional jobs? I'm guessing the percentage is fairly low.

 

I'm sure if you wrote down on your job applications that "Yes," I was convicted of a felony that your prospective employer will understand when you tell him that it's no big deal because "they were only dogs."

 

By the way... this doesn't even adress the alleged marijuana usage or the fact that Vick admitted to gambling on these animals. Oh yeah, and how about the fact that he deliberately lied to the Commissioner that he absolutely had nothing to do with this (it was all his dumb cousin's fault). And after saying all of this, I don't really care if he plays or not... I just take offense to some of these people who claim that he has some "right" to play football in the NFL after serving over a year in jail for a Federal felony. You can't discriminate against him because of his race, religion, or sexual orientation, but you surely can discriminate against him for being a convicted dog fighter.

 

G

May 21, 2009
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Let this MAN get on with the rest of his life. Football or not people we just keep judging people we don't even know all we know about Mike Vick is that he played football (rather well I might add) and he went down for dog fighting, which is just like boxing or wresting or MMA, but know one goes to jail for doing any of that.  He went to jail he did his time now just back off let him live the best life that he can for now. Please!!

May 21, 2009
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I think professional sports has been a safe haven for those who commit egregious crimes for far too long. The message sent when professional athletes are allowed to return to their sports after committing horrific acts is one of rewards for bad acts.  It appears that positive ideals and images have no place in professional sports. Acting within the law, displaying ethics and morals is not necessary.

 

And, sports fans as a whole have some ownership of this. They look the other way, get irate, shout prejudice and persecution. Yet generally show not a whit of sympathy to the victim/victims of their touted 'hero'.

The sense of entitlement some pros display is disgusting.

May 21, 2009
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If the NFL had any footballs, they’d ban Michael Vick for life.

May 21, 2009
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I am amazed at how ignorant people are!!! How can you say he has paid for his crimes???  He should not be allowed back in the NFL. For those of you who said that a childs role model should be from their parents, well yeah that's where it should start, but they look up to these players.  They want to be like them, and for you to say that what he did to those poor dogs is OK that's telling kids that it's OK to beat their animals to death and they can get away with it.  People are saying get over it, they are just dogs!!!  Well how about I beat the living sht out of you and then tell you to get over it that your just a dck!  I for one am appalled at all this ignorance!

 

Another thing he is only sorry because he got caught!  If he hadn't gotten caught he would still be doing it!  He's only volunteering with animal shelters because he HAS to!  I for one would not let him anywhere near my dogs! 

 

So yeah I'm pist at these comments that I'm reading that are justifying what he did.  I think if you are convicted of a crime you should not be allowed to play ANY kind of sport!  I think it's ridiculous that the NFL, NBA, MLB, ect let player's back in after they have been convicted of a crime.  It's showing that they can do whatever the f*ck they want and then can go back to making millions of dollars.  PATHETIC!!!

May 21, 2009
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saydogg, What you say is untrue.  We're not little kids with starry eyes for the 'bling'. We're responsible adults with all kinds of careers and, I assure you, some excellent salaries who abhor cruelty. I don't care if a guy is a toilet scrubber or a rock star, if he's torturing and killing, he's OUT OF THE PARK.

May 21, 2009
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Professional athletes, actors, and musicians all have individuals who have committed crimes or been accused of immoral, disgusting behavior.  If their talent is exceptional, their acts are forgiven, rationalized, or ignored.  These people are ENTERTAINERS not ROLE MODELS, stop making them out to be that important, and let's focus on the bigger issues....

May 21, 2009
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I think what Michael Vick did was horrible, but he has also served his time for it as determined by our legal system.  Some may think that the punishment was not harsh enough, but that's not for you to determine, that's up to the courts and they've had their say.

 

My thoughts to those who say he shouldn't be back in the NFL... I might ask this question.  Is Michael Vick allowed to pursue happiness now that his prison time is coming to an end? (in ANY profession, not just football).  It's just sounding like "he should suffer like those dogs suffered".  If he shouldn't be back in the NFL what profession is OK for him to pursue?  If he goes to work as an accountant or something will that company be "thrilled" to have him knowing his background?  Are you saying he should be able to survive but not thrive again.  Maybe just have a 50-60K a year job tops instead of an NFL salary?  What "quality of life" are we supposed to allow him now?

May 21, 2009
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He screwed up and should start from square one again..To allow him to walk back to the fame and glory and millions of dollars is unacceptable. If it were any one of us, we would be lucky to walk into a 10 dollar an hour job why does he deserve better? It amazes that people actually feel sorry for him and no sympathy for the dogs he tortured. No worries for the Vick sympathizers..The pop culture in our society tends to reward bad behavior..I am sure he will make a ton of money on some crappy reality show anyway.

May 21, 2009
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It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.

May 21, 2009
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I've read a lot of these comments and I think it's shocking to think that his behavior won't change. It's not like this is his 8th offense and he's a career offender - he's a football player that made a dumb mistake. Forgive him and move on. Keeping him from playing in the NFL is an indefinite punishment that is reminiscent of the larger pattern in our criminal justice system that keeps felons from obtaining things like free public housing, federal education loans, voting, etc. He did the crime, he did the time, move on.

 

I do have to ask though: if he had been white, would this question have even come up? Think about that for a second...

May 21, 2009
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Michael Vick broke the law and got caught.  Sure - like most criminals, he is sorry he got caught.  Because he CHOSE to put the animals through further torture to destroy them and he CHOSE to let them suffer during training and by starvation and rape, I am fully convinced that he enjoys the suffering of others-man or animal.  He has not changed.  And has anyone addressed the fact that MV and cronies do not pay taxes on these winnings?  Are they also illegally deducting the costs of this illegal activity?

 

Whether or not he rejoins the NFL, what will he do?  I am sure he will continue to engage in dog fighting and probably make paid "appearances" at fights for money - on which he will still not pay taxes.

 

HE BROKE THE LAW!   He should not be allowed to reclaim celebrity status and and enjoy fame and fortune.  He will continue to support dog fighting, so let him try to do it with an empty wallet.

 

Other talent will replace him quickly and hopefully, he will pass into obscurity.

May 21, 2009
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You people are some non-forgiving people. First of all there's no clause in the NFL that says a player has to do some 'GOOD' to be in the NFL. Ohand by the way he did his time, the NFL is his job, if he worked at Burger King it wouldn't be an issue. It's not his fault pro football is a spectator sport and you get noticed every time you breath in the wrong direction. I'm white and I still say if he was white we would not be having this discussion. White people tell black people to quit whining over slavery because that's the way things were back then well black people like to fight dogs, it's just the way it is soget over it. Play Ball Mike!!!

May 21, 2009
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Vick served his sentence.  He should be allowed to re-engage in his career of choice just like anyone else.  I'd like to see my team sign him.

 

Don't get me started on all these folks who think animals are more important than people.  Where are they at the dog tracks when they abuse the grayhounds?  Where are they when a segment of our population do unspeakable things with gerbils....

May 21, 2009
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Michael Vick is a convicted felon. Michael Vick knowingly committed a felon. Ergo Michael Vick violated the terms of his NFL contract and should never be allowed to play in the NFL. It’s really as simple as that. If the NFL makes an exception for Michael Vick, then they will have to make an exception for all of the convicted felons who are former NFL players.

 

Here’s a question for all of you Michael Vick Supporters: Do you think Michal Vick would still volunteer to partner with the Humane Society if he had no chance whatsoever to return to the NFL? Do you really believe Michael Vick is remorseful?

 

P.S. I cannot believe the Inhumane Society is trying to work a deal with Michael Vick to be their spokesanimal.

 

P.S.S. Still think Michael Vick is sincere? Google: Ron Mexico

May 21, 2009
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I don't care if Michael Vick is remorseful or not.  He paid his debt to society.  It's really simple as that. 

May 21, 2009
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The NFL is letting Michael Vick back because they are afraid he will go to the fledgling UFL. Just ask NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, Atlanta Falcons Owner Arthur Blank or Coach Tony Dungy. What a bunch of greedy schmucks.

 

Why is HSUS (a.k.a. Inhumane Society) president, Wayne Pacelle, trying to work a deal with Michael Vick to get him to be the Humane Society spokesanimal? Didn’t he learn a lesson from PETA’s ill-advised love fest with Michael Vick?

 

And another thing… Michael Vick was fitted today for a home monitoring device. I hope they put a collar around his neck really, really tight. Tighter.

 

May 21, 2009
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What makes Michael Vick more guilty than all the felonious politicians, sports players, actors, or any other celebrities? He actually served his sentence. 

May 21, 2009
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I'm sure CNN will not post this but I will try yet again..  Vick was convicted for what he did but it stems from what he IS. A child molester gets convicted for what he did, however it stems from the defect in his brain. He is a dangerous,defective human and should be put down. No, he should not be able to return to football but I am very sure he will be because the american people are slow in general and love their sports too much to let morals effect that. The best thing for him is to work the kennels cleaning up. for the rest of his existance.

 

May 21, 2009
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WARNING: Michael Vick is loose.

 

Coach Tony Dungy says Michael Vick deserves a second chance. I bet Cheney likes Michael Vick, too. Hitler didn’t deserve a second chance. Charlie Manson didn’t deserve a second chance. Ted Bundy didn’t deserve a second chance. Michael Vick doesn’t deserve a second chance.

 

So, Michael Vick has a construction job, huh? I hope he’s building a doghouse.

May 21, 2009
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What Michael Vick has done will haunt him for the rest of his life. People say that he has done his time, a few months in prison, and now he should be free to live his life as before; as if he had swiped a pack of gum from the corner store, paid his legal debt, and is a reformed man.

 

I can only think that this opinion comes from ignorance. Ignorance of what dog fighting really means in the pit. I advise these people to do a little research and educate themselves. These dogs are often trained to kill with cats, puppies and smaller dogs found on Craigslist or adopted from a shelter, from people with the best intentions believing that their pet is going to a loving home. A dog will have it’s mouth wrapped with duct tape, and then the fighting dog is allowed to tear it apart without the victim being able to defend itself in any way.

 

Dogs have been man’s closest animal companions from the beginning. They stood guard over the children when the adults left to hunt and gather food. They fought beside us in our wars. Many are the loyal canines that have stood over their wounded master’s body, defending him with their lives. Service dogs are eyes for the blind. They can warn an epileptic of an impending seizure. They serve beside our soldiers. Dogs have a devotion and loyalty that is rare even in God’s noblest creature, Man. Only someone who has had a dog for a companion can truly know the depth and strength of a dog’s love and courage. These are qualities that we claim for ourselves as qualites elevate us above animals.

 

Michael Vick tortured, starved and beaten these noble emotions out of his dogs, and twisted them into a mirror of his own vicious, sub-human nature. What kind of person could take pleasure in this “sport?” To see these degraded beings tear each other apart, and cheer, and applaud and triumph in their suffering is the hallmark of someone who has turned his back on his own humanity, and sunk below even the savage animal. Animals in the wild kill to eat, to feed their young, to survive. Only man, with his evolved brain, is capable of turning the suffering and torment of other animals into entertainment.

 

Michael Vick had served his short sentence, and now he is free. Those dogs that survived, that  were not so bloodthirsty that they had to be put down, they will carry the physical and emotional scars of his tender attentions for the rest of their lives. God bless those adopting families who have taken them into their hearts and homes.

 

Michael Vick is now free to go on with his life. He will make a show of contrition, perhaps do some charitable work, just enough for appearances. Does anyone really believe his character has changed one iota?

 

Michael Vick, I have a gift for you. My mother taught me how to bestow this long ago, under a new moon. My gift is that your children will come to see into your heart, and know you for what you truly are. My gift is that your own karma will allow you to experience exactly the same horror and agony that you have brought into the world. Last, but not least, I gift you with living longer than any other human being has ever lived, with full awareness of what you are, and what you have turned your back on forever. To this end, I bend the utmost of my mind and will, that it Shall Be So. I invite my Brothers and Sisters, and all human beings to share in granting you this gift.

 

May 21, 2009
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Sheesh, I'm tired of some of you people babbling on about his crime. Its pets. Yeah, its horrible what he did, but come on. How can the things he did be considered so unforgivable? And some of you need to quit assuming whether he is sorry or not. You dont know him. People eat dogs you know. I hear they taste good. Woops. Im a monster too now, huh. And that dude with the "gift" comment at the bottom, your a crepper. Congrats.

May 21, 2009
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So let the wife beaters and child beaters, the drunks killing your family members, the drug addicts robbing you blind all play.  In fact, let them be police officers, politicians, ministers, and anything else they want to be.  But don't let someone who ran a gambling ring, harmed a few animals choose his profession. 

 

Fine, lets clean up everyone's act.  How about we start in politics.  Then maybe those that enforce the laws.  The teachers, children's group leaders, and then maybe the atheletes who we have let slide through school without an education, inflated their egos beyond heroic cause we pay them all this money cheer athletic accomplishments AND BET MONEY ON THEIR PERFORMANCE.

 

He paid his debt appointed by the judge.  How much do you need to clean up your own act? 

May 21, 2009
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In my opinion, Mr. Vick should be allowed to return to sports, but in a non-playing capacity. Coach, sportscaster, commentator, trainer, or some other lower visibility occupation. I do not begrudge him earning a decent living. I do, however, feel that the NFL, and other professional sports organizations, should institute a policy of zero tolerance for players who are convicted of a violent felony (and yes - what Mr. Vick did was quite violent). I am not singling out Mr. Vick - any and all violent felons should face the same sanctions.

 

This wasn't just a dumb decision. A minor mistake. Oops, I was speeding and I didn't mean to be. Oh, I shouldn't have shoplifted that $200.00 DVD player. No - this was a criminal act that rose to the level of a felony and spanned a significant length of time. Mr. Vick had ample opportunity see what he was doing and remedy it prior to this coming to light. He also had plenty of opportunity to come clean right after he was caught. He failed to do either. At first he denied the allegations and only plead guilty after it became clear to him that he was better served by a plea agreement.

 

If this was a Burger King job, it is quite likely that Mr. Vick would not be allowed back to work at Burger King again. Most jobs don't want a convicted felon working for them. You might get a job at another restaurant, although that is far from certain, but almost definitely not the same chain as the one you were working in at the time. As to it not being his fault that pro football is a spectator sport: That is like saying that it is not a soldier's fault that they might have to go to war, just because they joined the military. When a person signs on the dotted line, they make a choice and with that choice comes all of the baggage of the job. Whether that be the possibility of going to war, being on television or smelling like fast food every night after you get off work. No one, that I am aware of, forced Mr. Vick to join the NFL. He did it because he wanted to and because he felt it was in his best interest to do so. It was his choice.

 

Is race a factor? I won't presume to say for other people, but I will say for myself. No - race is not a factor. I do not care what race, color, creed, sexual orientation, or legal hobbies Mr. Vick has. Heck, I don't care if he sleeps in lime Jello and kisses a picture of the Pope in a tutu every morning when he wakes up. Those things have no bearing on this. (NOTE: I am NOT saying that he does or does not do these things).

 

These are my own personal opinions. What the NFL actually does is up to them. However, my hard earned money will be spent in a way which reflects my own personal values.

May 21, 2009
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Michael Vick did his sentence ERGO he has paid his debt to society ERGO he should be allowed to join the rest of the thugs that play in the NFL. There are always policies and always exception to policy ERGO the reason for policy to begin with, ERGO. Now the question I ask all haters of convicted felons who don't want to give a 2nd chance: What if it was your best friend or significant other or a family member, would you still feel so strongly???   

May 21, 2009
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Plus I still say when we start imprisoning people for crimes to animals then we are going too far with aour 'humane-ness'. Dogs are trained to fight and fight all the time only when a celebrity gets caught it's so horrible, oh how could they do such a thing. Besides they are Pit Bulls, it's not like they are real dogs anyway, who would want to pet one or have it in the home so it could eat your children. Bla Bla Bla we all know he's gonna get to play again rather we agree with it or not so what's the point of babbling when we all know it's gonna happen.

May 21, 2009
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Wow, people are so hypocritical and judgemental.  Let the guy serve his time for the crime and move on with his life.  Should the NFL grant him another opportunity to play so be it...and I hope that they do.

 

We ALL will never "serve enough time" or fully amend the wrongs we've done to people (e.g. damaging self esteems, dishonoring trust, etc) ...or even animals for the sake of argument.  After the man has served his time accordingly with the laws of the land, let it go!  Who are we to judge how his life should unfold after this?  Let God deal with it in the way He see's fit. 

 

In life, we ALL make bad choices and decisions.  We all have received 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th.... chances in our lives.  So I'm saying let it be people after he serves his time for the crime.  I'd bet my last dollar that most people on this blog making negative comments knowingly use products and medicines that were tested on ANIMALS THAT ARE KILLED and MISTREATED in the name of science.  Or even eat the meat of a slaughtered animal. 

 

Yes, I understand that most of us have an affinity towards dogs because they are domesticated, but PEOPLE they are ANIMALS!!!! It was a horrible offense, but they are ANIMALS, NOT HUMANS...so u can't compare him to the likes of Charles Manson and Hilter....That's apples and oranges.  Any reasonably sane person can see that rhetoric.  With that same mind you might as well say lock up, torture, and throw away the key of all white people and their ancestors (karma right!?) for the crimes and inhumaneness of slavery!  Let it be people.  Forgive and move forward.

 

If we as a society continue to punish people intentionally for past wrongs how will they ever get ahead and be able to fairly contribute.  You basically force them to become or remain (in some way, shape, form, or fashion) the very thing in which you despise.  Mike Vick can either improve or mess up the rest of his life without your help.

 

Last thing,  Hate in your heart will consume you too.

May 21, 2009
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I DON'T understand  the young man did  his time, why do folk want to punish him more? HE SHOULD BE ALLOW TO MAKE A LIVENING. we all know it not about the DOGS!!!! it about power over another human being life. lets get mad about the family that is HOMELESS! the murders of kids by kids, the jobless, i am a community actives in my neighborhood. i am  trying to help CHILDREN ,MOTHER, FATHER WHO ARE IN TROUBLE.

today, more then ever before.

May 21, 2009
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okay this is amazing. you people are the most idiotic forms of simple life to think he paid his debt. some old liquered up judge that should have been retired along time ago says he paid his dept and you blindly believe him? please tell me you are not pet owners. this man is a criminal. It takes a non caring heart to do what he did! period! shut up about him paying his debt already. this is all about people loving football so much that they  will over look what he did. oh and ERGO that!!!!

 

May 22, 2009
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After looking at the time most of you were here you should've been working. You are stealing from your company! Now once I put you out on your ass for stealing my time I should be able to tell the next job this is why you were let go. Now you can't get a job working with a PC. From what many of you have said this is wat should happen to you!

 

Wait you only make $30K, $40K, $50k or even $75k some forgit since your not going to make any real money or be on TV.

 

But I only make $9.50 an hour and what you did is in fact a crime just like he did now someone tell me should you be allowed to work with a PC again or come work with me.

 

Good Night Now!

May 22, 2009
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mattyboy-actually I think that you are an idiot. I do not work for the government, but nice guess.  Let me pose a question to you....would you want someone working at your bank who was previously convicted of bank embezzlement or money laundering? Or, would you want a convicted child molester driving your kid's school bus? Probably not, but in your case, you may not care because you believe everyone should have a second chance right? I am not writing my opinion on here because I want to be attacked, but merely to express an opinion, which is the whole point. I could attack your profession and what I think about your probable IQ, but I won't because I am better than that.  I too believe that most people deserve a second chance, but not when it involves the intentional harm to an animal, child, senior or any other defenseless creature.

May 22, 2009
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@ Leo2600

Colonial America may have not been the absolute first region to make use of chattel slavery, but it was one of the first (I wasn’t absolutely sure before, that’s why I qualified my statement).  Although the institution of American slavery did not last for 400 years, the oppression, discrimination, and the other negative ramifications of that institution reach well beyond 400 years and into today. 

One point to which we both agree is that any form of slavery is wrong; however, your assertion that things that happened in the past should stay there is analogous to the faulty logic to which many people subscribe.  In some respects, I do not believe that people support that view to be malicious, but as a result of this simplistic understanding of a complex issue it allows for the perpetuation of oppression, particularly in the U.S. 

Also, I actually agree with the notion that marginalized group members may reveal instances of discrimination or oppression more so than dominant group members.  In fact, there is research to support this claim.  Where I think you and I diverge on understanding is that you seem to believe that the assertions of discrimination are unfounded, while I know that signal detection theory research has shown that members from discriminated groups are more astute at recognizing instances of discrimination than those who may not experience the same degree of discrimination.  Basically, if you show a Black person and a White person a scene that can be perceived as discriminatory the Black person is more likely to report the occurrence as discriminatory in nature; furthermore, the Black person is more likely to be correct in his or her assertion.

 

Regarding name calling, a vital component of this dynamic is missing from your argument.  For instance, if I, a man were to call a woman a b*ch, then it would be considered offensive and sexist.  Conversely, in most instances, if a woman were to call another woman the same name, given the context, it could be considered a term of endearment.  The reason for the two worlds of the embracing bch and the offending b*ch is group power.  In terms of power, white men are the most dominant group and women of color are the least dominate group.  White women and Black men’s place in the social hierarchy gets more confusing, and I choose not to delve into that dynamic at this point.  If a woman (as a group member) calls another woman a “B,” the most that could happen is that someone walks away with her feelings hurt.  If a man (as a group member) calls a woman a “B” more than feelings are destroyed.  That man (as a group member) has power to deny that woman access to resources and drastically limit her upward mobility.  This same logic applies to all forms of discrimination; we just have to actively make an effort to recognize this across different lines and acknowledge the power dynamics at play.  Admittedly, this struggle over who can and cannot use a particular (without offending another group or person) is complex and difficult to understand and we all have to approach the issue as such.

 

Bill Cosby is a topic among itself, but I will only address it briefly.  You have indicated that you are not white, but my question is more about your nationality (not ethnicity).  From your comment to Mahogonyb, “you've got a black president for the love of god” I took the “[you]” in your statement to mean citizens of the U.S.  If you (Leo) are a U.S. citizen or person living in the U.S., then I think that that statement can illustrate the divide that still exists regarding oppression.  As person in the U.S. to say that “[you],” meaning Black people, have a Black President is demonstrative of the us versus them mentality that pervades U.S. understanding of race.  Furthermore, your assertion that Bill Cosby may seem echo your very same sentiments is also reflective of this dynamic.  Basically you are advocating the logic that if a Black person says something then that Black person speaks for the entire Black race.  Why is it that marginalized groups are assigned these group ambassadors to speak on behalf of their groups?  Whites are allowed to have a range of opinions.  Whenever a Sean Hannity speaks, I do not think, “Oh, so that’s how all White people feel.”  Even in politics there is an acknowledgement of a spectrum (e.g. far left, far right, etc.).  With marginalized groups it is all or nothing!

 

Don’t get me wrong, even as a Black Man my ideas used to closely reflect the ones that you have mentioned.  When I understood that race relations and other group interactions didn’t have a simple fix, I realized that I had to stop using simple logic.  Group interactions are complex and dynamic beasts and there is no simple answer to solving them.  But the first step in the battle is allowing ourselves to consider outside opinions and gain a breadth of understanding.  I may not agree with everything people say, and I am certain that people do not agree with all of my points.  My hope is that in any intellectual debate that we at least consider alternate opinions and are critical of our own.  That is where understanding flourishes.

 

@ Kilovolt

 

If you would like to engage me in some form of intellectual sparring, I’m all for it.  But don’t tell me that I have a skewed sense of history.  Acknowledge that we all have skewed history by virtue of the way that history is recorded.  History is not science, which makes it even more biased!

 

And I’m all for using the bible as a historical text, but you must understand that history also has different periods.  Perhaps I should have qualified my statement by saying that, Colonial America was one of the first States during Imperialism to implement Chattel Slavery.

 

I don’t need a lecture about giving the U.S. credit for standing up to Slavery because even with all of my skewed history, I am not delusional.  Yeah, slavery was ended nominally, but sharecropping reigned supreme soon after.  Oh, and did you know that the U.S. gave compensation for the ending of slavery.  Yep, slave owners were compensated for their lost property.  No 40 acres and mule though.  Then there was this period in U.S. history where this little benign policy called Jim Crow made the U.S. a lovely place for everyone (rolls eyes).  Even during WWII, the U.S. was so kind to gather up all those Japanese Americans and put them in nice little camps and take all of their property to redistribute it to the White Americans.  What happened next?  I’m sure a lot…oh yeah, the U.S. decided that even democracy should be overthrown when a communist party representative is democratically elected to be President of another country.  Chile anyone?  But the Good Ole’ U.S. in all of its moral glory decided that we should just stage a coup and implement a vicious dictator and allow him to slaughter anyone who speaks out against him, even Americans.  Then there were a lot of great U.S. things that happened in between all of that, but I want to skip to my favorite.  This one happened a few years before Rodney King (you know…the Black guy who got beat up by 4 cops…some people aren’t familiar with that one.)  Vincent Chin, a Chinese-American who was just promoted at the Toyota motor plant and was just engaged to be married was out celebrating in Detroit.  Well…these two White Americans who were just laid off from Ford decided that these darn foreigners, specifically the Japanese, should be punished for pushing them out of work.  Guess what they did?  They beat him to death.  The kicker is that they were going to only be convicted of manslaughter, given a minimal jail sentence (less than a year), and pay a 3,000 dollar fine.  But Asian Americans were not having that.  So the case was taken to the Supreme Court.  And what did the great U.S. Justice System do?  You betcha…they threw the case out completely, so no jail time for anyone.  Wow you’re right!  The U.S. has come leaps and bounds from slavery.  Oh wait, someone was just shot in Oakland while he was on his stomach and hand cuffed with his hands behind his back…I guess we’re almost there huh?

 

Yes, my tone is completely patronizing!  You may not agree with me, but my assertions are far from silly.  Tell me that my logic may be flawed because the U.S. is a great country, despite its faults.  Tell me that the U.S. is turning a corner and that the election of a Black Man to the highest elected U.S. office is a step in the right direction, but do come at me like I just made this stuff up.  Just because I had to dig for my history doesn’t mean that your history that is so greatly publicized is accurate, right, or more moral.  I get it, the U.S. has made some grave mistakes in its past, but that doesn’t mean that those issues have magically disappeared because it happened in the past.  We have made mistakes, now we need to fix the problems that those mistakes have caused!

 

And I will give credit where credit is due.  You are absolutely correct.  Discrimination is not only a U.S. issue.  Oppression is global and there are forms of discrimination that reach across the entire globe.  But the U.S. does have a history that is unique in many ways to other countries, which is why I chose to only address discrimination and oppression in the U.S.  However to give more scope to your argument, isms can be nationalistic or pertain to regions; additionally, they can also reach across ethnicity, sexuality, ability (or disability), etc.  Again, it is a complex issue and one shoe does not fit all.

 

*Thanks the crowd…takes a deep breath and steps down from soap box

 

May 22, 2009
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He is only sorry for getting caught.  I don't think that any person that could do what he did should ever be in the public eye again.  What kind of human being would it take to torture, mame and kill innocent dogs?

Well now we know.  He is not the kind of "thing" that I would like "football fANS" or children to look up to.  So what if he is a great player.  He is a fellon and a discrace to man kind!!!!!!!

May 24, 2009
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No he should not be allowed to return it makes me sick just because the scum is a pro football player he is released early and allowed to return to his $7000,000 home and since when does a prisoner make $10.00 a  hour  what he needs is to sit his butt in that jail cell untill his time is up or better yet bring back all those poor dogs that he had abused and the ones that died due to his sick games oh and by the way was he not making big illegal bucks on this as I was saying bring back the dogs put them back in that sick fighting pin and then throw his butt in with them and lets see how he likes getting torn up, bleeding, trying to get away I bet alot of animal lovers would pay to see that.He should never be allowed to be around any animal and his going around and telling the kids not to get into dog fighting what a laugh that is he is just biding the rest of his time. his girlfriend better keep close watch on her kids the jerk

May 29, 2009
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Yes, of course he should return, but watch him. Since when is the sport of football an choir boy sport. It's for rough and tumble bruts that enjoy action and beating the living daylights out of each other. If your children are looking up to a sports figure I suggest that you spend a little more time with them and teach them right from wrong. I'm am not a fan of his, nor am I fan of football, but we see far worse in politics and theology and they suppose to be pure, okay maybe not politics. Just my opinion from an ordinary guy.

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June 11, 2009
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June 11, 2009
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People please; stop attempting to justify you believing that Vick deserves his "Second Chance" as you being humane; forgiving; righteous and so forth. It is no more than you putting sports above lives (rather animal or human) it is not your call. In fact if you did feel this way then the long list of professional players that have messed up some small and some great would not be still playing professional sport in reference to all of you (and you know who you are) statements "they are only dogs". Some of your comments are very disturbing and not very rational at all such as "dogs are killed or put down ever day" or "animals are killed for human consumption", first of all there are reasons for animals to have to be euthanized the main one being to control population, this is terrible but it is necessary until stronger; more common sense and enforced laws are in place. To have to put down an animal because sick individuals such as Vick; others and maybe even most of you people find it entertaining is so far more than just wrong. You want to attack those such as myself; lawgirl; others; and the long list of organizations for simply wanting animals to be treated humanely. There is no issue with us having to chose or debate animal or human life because we are humane and will never have to have an animal put down other than for health reasons not due to illegal dog fighting; abuse; torture and neglect. To all those who state I have dogs and what he did was wrong and he deserves a second chance, I once again state that he is out of prison; he has a beautiful home to return to; I'm sure he has money and other materialistic possessions; family/friends; fans and he has a job lined up making $10-$12 an hour I say that is more than a 2nd chance. To those who say he is remorseful are easily fooled or have their own agenda for wanting to believe this, the only remorse Vick has is that he was caught bottom line he did not have an epiphany.Please...Please...sign this petition...http://www.petitiononline.com/ht35p9A8/petition.html

Jeannie (Humane Person/Animal Lover)

 

June 20, 2009
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First off Michael Vick should not be convicted period. Who goes to jail for dog fighting? Vick has to be the first person; he should at least pay a fine...the least! And allowing Vick to play in the NFL should be an apology for unapproiate charges against him.

July 27, 2009
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First of all, I am a huge animal person.  I have 7 pets and volunteer and an animal shelter.  With that said, I would like to submit that as much as I hate what he did, I believe that all people deserve a second chance.  He sure needs to prove himself but why not let him try?

July 27, 2009
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A canine-beheading role model for our youth? A dog-hating Taliban face for American football? Surely the NFL owners are not so greedy as to experiment with this potent poisonous mix.

July 27, 2009
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Mike Vick served his sentence and deserves a second  chance.  No one likes what Vick did, but let's let him get on with his life. I'm betting he's a much better man after this trauma in his life than most of us on this blog will ever be.

July 27, 2009
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When you finish your sentence you have paid your debt and get to start over.  Reset.  Default.

I can't stand what he participated in.

I wish that many more of his cohorts were in jail for it.

Still, he gets a reset under our laws.

I wish he had to pooper scoop parks for a living, but people worship you if you can manipulate a football, so what can you do.

July 27, 2009
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"A reset" are you serious? This isn't a video game oldgirl. If you think of it that way then I don't believe that you "couldn't stand" what he participated in. Today justice has failed and the integrity of the NFL further diminished.  As a lifelong fan of football I have officially been to my last game.  Goodbye NFL.

July 27, 2009
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If you are an animal lover AND would like to voice your displeasure at Vick's reinstatement to the NFL, then contact NFL public relations head Greg Aiello at aiellog@nfl.com or call his office at 212-450-2067.

 

I hope no team picks him up and he dies penniless.

July 27, 2009
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Vick isn't a messiah, an important educator, or a research scientist whose life really means something to society. He's a guy with a less than respectable IQ/EQ, and he plays a game that affords him the ability to buy the cover that hides his kind of bizarre life style. I pity the team that actually invites him into a business that is reliant on fans aka; real, hard working, sometimes not working, Americans. I'd think twice, there are many players worthy of an NFL career, someone a team, and their city can be proud of.

July 27, 2009
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Vick is a coward and cruel and only sorry he got caught.  If my team (Vikings) sign him up I am done with them.

July 27, 2009
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All I have to say to all of you that are claiming that he did his time and that we should all forgive and forget and give him a second chance is.... DID THOSE DOGS GET A SECOND CHANCE .....NO THEY WERE KILLED FOR WHAT HE "DID" TO THEM SO NO I DON'T THINK THE MAN DESERVES ANYTHING ....AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE NFL TILL THEY OVER TURN THIS REDICULOUS DECISON.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF TALENTED ALTHLETES OUT THERE GIVE THEM A SHOT

July 27, 2009
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Michael Vick is a human without a soul.  He saw nothing in the faces and body language of the animals he allowed to be tormented.  He would never have stopped his behaviors against animals had he not been caught.  I don't think any amount of "reeducation" could create a soul for him.  I wonder if he has given a minute's thought to the plight of his ancestors who suffered similar torture as slaves coming to and working in America?  I don't like seeing souless people given second chances. 

July 27, 2009
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I am appalled that the NFL would even entertain the idea of Michael Vicks returning to the field. He deserves years without football before being allowed to return.  That would be the real punishment...watching what he could have had causing him to reflect on what he did.  I will never forget what he did to helpless creatures. Shame on the NFL for caving in...life lessons are clearly not a priority for the NFL, winning is...MICHAEL VICK DOES NOT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE. HE IS A DISGRACE AND EMBARASSMENT.

July 27, 2009
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I do not think Michael Vick deserves a second chance in the NFL...and shame on the Commissioner for allowing that reinstatement!!!did the dogs that Vick participated in killing...tell me where is there second chance?...the dogs that he hung, electrocuted, strangled and drowned..where is their second chance??? yes he did his time...but to be allowed to pick up where he left off...No Way...if there is a team that desperate to get publicity...who needs them...Micheal Vick you are a coward in every sense of the word and i hope everyday  the faces of the dogs that you killed are embedded in your brain....

July 27, 2009
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While personally I'd rather not see him allowed back, the rules as they are allow for him to be.

 

Perhaps a better discussion would be a revamp of the NFL (and other sports) rules. How about a rule that anyone arrested and convicted of crimes more serious than a minor misdemeanor should be barred. Then there would be no controversy about Vick returning, the rules wouldn't allow him back.

 

There are players that have killed people drunk driving that are currently playing in the NFL. Where is the uproar there? They shouldn't be allowed to play either.

July 27, 2009
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Michael Vick made money he apparently did not even need off of illegal dog fighting.  DogTown profiled the dogs that Michael Vick used - they were mostly broken spirited dogs who required great care to become pets again.  Many required euthanasia (which is what should have happened to Michael Vick).  He can say he is "sorry, so sorry" but we know he is only sorry for having been busted and the cost in the end.  Michael Vick doesn't serve recognition for anything at all but his choice to pit animals against one another in a fight to the death arena for entertainment and money. 

 

People like these this country can do without.  This was no sport, this was sadomasochism against Man's Best Friend.  And don't believe for a second that a dog is not Man's Best Friend. 

July 27, 2009
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A  cruel man never changes. If he ever came to me or anyone I know in this sport he would never get close to the bench. Most of my players do not wish to be associated with cruelty of this magnitude. To err is human but to do what he did was disgusting and is deep rooted in a non-caring selfish way. No amount of 'time served' erases such treatment of man's best friend. The sad thing is that each one of his dogs would have given their lives for him due to their fierce loyalty, imagine that. SHAME ON THE NFL (Maybe Pete Rose should have tortured dogs instead of betting on games) Some people think because a man can throw a ball he is a demi-god, well, I am as loyal a fan as they come and the truth is any idiot can play this game.....does not make you anything but a talented person in this respect. On all other levels Vick is a joke....and a sick one at that

July 27, 2009
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Dog fighting is a direct result of a game slave masters played with slaves.  The master from plantation A would challenge the master of plantation B that his baddest slave could whip the baddest slave on plantation B.  They would meet on Sunday, of all days, and enjoy the specticle of having two slaves fight to the finish.  Guess what happened to the losing slave?  He was either killed, or worse yet, sold away from his family.  Do I believe Mike or any other athlete deserve a second chance after screwing up?  Yes, but not in their chosen profession.  I, like many other people, hold a Top Secet Security Clearance.  Guess how many times we have to mess up?  ONE and you're GONE!!!  With a clearance, marijuana is a felony.  You might get by with a DUI.  And might is the operative word.  We are held to a high degree of accountability, and lives depend up on our integrity.  We don't make near the money athletes make.  The NFL (National Felons League) need to bring back a sense of integrity and accountability.  If they cannot handle the responsibility of making more money than the President of the United States, they need to be let go.  Plain and simple.  It is a priviledge, not a right to play pro sports. 

July 27, 2009
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Vickie should never be allowed to play again, he lied and then lied some more. He's just another spoiled millionaire athlete who wouldnt be qualified to flip burgers if he has to find a real job, just like 99% of the others, he betrayed his team, his coach and his owner not to mention the fact he is responsible for the deaths of who knows how many innocent animals. The decision to reinstate Vickie is a disgrace to the NFL and all of its fans

July 27, 2009
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If Michael Vick is reinstated in the NFL, then Pete Rose should be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame no questions asked. To me, one case is not worse than the other. Both players acted recklessly and quite frankly neither should be allowed back into sports or the sports shrine.

July 27, 2009
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Michael Vick should be allowed back into the NFL as soon as he brings all the dogs he's responsible for murdering back to life.

 

He belongs in the Hall of Shame, not Fame.

July 27, 2009
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The entire Vick saga including this blog is both sad and comical. So football players aren't cruel. I'll ponder that next time I see a good hit. "Bingo" as Bear Bryant used to say. Hooray for the Commish bringing MV back with strict guidelines. As for our dumb friends who can't speak to us other than with a bark, whimper, and tail wag: what thoughts would they encounter if they were to visit a farm for chickens, pigs, beef cattle, veal, sheep, lambs, salmon, trout, shrimp, and the accompanying harvest at the slaughterhouse or fishery. Oh, I forgot, we're all vegetarians.

July 27, 2009
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First of all lets begin with the role model conversation - no NFL, NBA, or any other person should be the role model of your child(ren) this starts at home you should be the example that your child learns by.  That is first.

 

Second I don't even care for football and Vick should be allowed to play.  Why shouldn't he so many other players have gotten drunk, killed families or indiviuals and they are given a slap on the ass and a ticket back to the field.  Get real you kill a human you are given 60 days rehab and a fine that is paid to a family that will never see their loves ones again all because the individual decided to get drunk.

 

What Vick did was wrong and he has done the time for his crime so people get over it and he has every right to be allowed to play again and by the way who in the hell are we to judge anyone. 

 

Get your own life together and stop relying on other people to be a role model in your childrens life.

July 27, 2009
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What a double standard society we live in.  Let me ask all you Vick lovers out there - what are his co-defendants doing for jobs?  Yeah that's right the other guys who now have felonies, they can't get a job, why cause society says they aren't worth being trusted anymore.  Employers aren't going to welcome them back with open arms to make millions like the money hungry NFL, no the other guys become dependent on under the table employers to try and support themselves.  If you are going to do for one, do the same for everyone - once you finish your sentence, that should be it, society shouldn't be allowed to hold you back, but hey money talks and well you know the rest - just goes to show you how fickle we are as humans.

July 27, 2009
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Parents more often than not do not choose whom their children look up to for a role model, and no one is saying there are not more serious crimes committed for which people have gotten off with but a slap on the wrist.  One crime has nothing to do with the other ones.  Michael Vic committed a heinous, depraved act and should be refused readmittance into the NFL, just as other criminals should be punished for their acts as well, whether they get off with a slap on the wrist or not is immaterial to this case.  It is this case that is under debate - no other.  And, someone asks, "who are we to judge anyone."  Well, if is up to the public to serve on juries for one thing, and if the sentence served is inadequate, we can sure protest with our pocketbooks as well and boycott the NFL as well as their sponsors.

July 27, 2009
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To everyone that says he shouldbe able to play. How about Pete Rose  gambling , Shoeless Joe Jackson for throwing a game. They got kicked out and not even allowed to be in the Hall of Fame. Why Vicks?  I think his hindend should stay on the curve so to speak

July 27, 2009
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Great example for our youth, there NFL Commissioner!

July 27, 2009
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"He made a mistake"?!  No mistake there - he only regrets getting caught.  What he did, what he watched daily, the horrid mis-treatment of those animals, shows clearly what his basic morals are (non-existant).

How the NFL could even think of letting him back in shows how low the ethics of sports has gotten.

Animal abuse leads to people abuse.  I wonder what the future headlines about Michael Vic will read?

 

July 27, 2009
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Sandinmyshoe,

 

I couldn't have said it better!

That creep should not be allowed back in the NFL. It shows our youth that do the crime and hope not to get caught. If you do get caught, do some time and come back to life as it was before you got caught.

Playing the professional sports with the potential to earn HUGE sums of money should require honesty, integrity, being a law-abiding citizen and an exemplary example for our children.

Vick is none of the above!!!

 

July 27, 2009
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The NFL is selling out!  Where are their standards?  If Michael Vick were in the USMC, and committed a felony, and was kicked out - I doubt they would take him back after serving his time in Leavenworth!  Would you want Michael Vick to coach your High School football team?  Would you want your son to idolize him as a football great?  Clearly - the NFL is placing money before moral conviction - and criminal conviction!

July 27, 2009
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Gambling and throwing games is totally different than a misdemeanor crime having nothing to do with the sport.  After professional sports gets rid of every wife beater and drunk driver, it might be "fair" to deny Michael Vick a place in professional football.  Dogs are PROPERTY.  PETA is the lunatic fringe.  Sure, that level of animal cruelty is disgusting.  But until society decides spouse abuse and drunken driving murder even more disgusting, I say let him play.  Just the fact we are having this discussion about Vick instead of Stallworth or some of the others is disgusting to me. 

July 27, 2009
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Just currious as to wheter or not any of the individuals suggesting that Vick should not be able to play have ever commited any sin themselves? It sure sounds like they are either perfecly void of sin or either perfectly biased. I guess I been wrong before, but perhaps there are those out there that are perfect enought to judge others. Just to better understand their reansoning, I will present a stat and then ask a question. First the stat; there are over 8 million people in the USA that are incarcerated some of which will return to society. Should those returning to society not be allowed to become a productive part of society? If your answer is "no" then by your own reasoning, you should be fired from your job immediately for your sin(s) (assuming you are not void of sin) are and not allowed to work. Personally, I would like to see you do well and be a productive citizen, but if forced to use your logic you will need to spend the rest of your life making liciense plates to atone for your wrongs. Serious, does anyone else find this logic ridiculus?

July 27, 2009
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I can't justify what Vic did was right/wrong and I am a animal lover, I have never like Vic, ever since he showed his butt several times when he played for THE FALCONS.

I think he should be reenstated back in the NFL since that is his the only profession he knows other then Dog fighting.. I think the Commissioner should offer him the minimum wage of $6.50 and hour or wait didn't they just raise that to  $7.25 and if his team makes the playoffs add $3.50 a hour bonus for each game played... in playoffs. and every year there after give him the cost of living raise. "a whole Quarter"..

 

Lets let Bernie Madoff out of Prison on good behavior in 2 years and let him go back to selling Stocks and swindling people out of Billions..

 

now theres two Idiots  

July 27, 2009
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A couple of points of clarification need to be made.  One, Michael Vick was convicted of a felony - not a misdemeanor.  And, another point, I still fail to see what one criminal act has to do with other criminal acts (or sin, as one writer would rather call the illegal act committed) - there is a total disconnect.  Just because some crimes go either unpunished or not punished to the extent that they deserve to be has nothing to do with any other particular case - the outcome of each having been determined by a jury, and obviously not all by the same jury.  To argue otherwise is both jejune and fatuous. Regarding this particular case, the man used his millions to fund his dog fighting operations, and in the process not only allowed promoted the foul "sport", but personally participated in murdering dogs that did not live up to his 'expectations'. 

 

I fully realize I will not convince anyone otherwise who blindly supports Michael Vick's reentry into football with total disregard for the animals he has murdered and callous behavior related thereto or of his evident lack of character and failings as a feeling human being.  However, I hope that those that feel as I do will boycott the NFL and their sponsors if he is allowed to play in the NFL.  To those people, I offer the NFL Commissioner's email address - roger.goodell2@nfl.net  Let him know how you feel.

July 27, 2009
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He did a horrible thing. He paid a terrible price. He has one of the best mentors anyone could ask for in Dungy, who apparently believes in him. Of course Vick should be reinstated, unless you want to deny all hope to anyone out there who's trying to crawl out of a deep dark hole.

July 27, 2009
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Mistake???? Vick made a choice, became a mistake when he got caught!!!!!

July 27, 2009
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why do only certain animals given this so-called animal cruelty protection/ARE ALL OF YOU SO CALLED ANIMAL LOVERS-VEGITARIANS.WHO GOES TO JAIL WHEN THE HUMAN ANIMALS ARE LEGALLY FIGHTING EACH OTHER .VICK WAS MADE AN EXAMPLE OF 1-BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK AND BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE REGULARLY USED FOR THIS PURPOSE ,THIS IS NOT A RACE CARD BUT PLAIN FACTS.

July 27, 2009
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THIS ISN'T A BLACK OR WHITE ISSUE THIS IS ABOUT AN IDIOT THAT DOESN'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG WHAT ABOUT POOR ASSOCIATES THAT WERE CHARGED WITH HIM DO YOU THINK THEY WILL GET A GOOD PAYING JOB NOW THAT THEY HAVE A FELONY RECORD NOT A CHANCE WHY SHOULD VIC/  

July 27, 2009
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Killing a dog is not murder.  Killing a PERSON is murder.  There are places in this world that are considered civilized that EAT dogs.

 

Vick did disgusting things.  Let's save the word horrible (and others) for things that hurt PEOPLE.

July 27, 2009
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The truth is that Vick would still be in dogfighting and killing if he had not been caught.  He did not grow a conscience or have a change of heart and show any feelings for the animals he tortured.  He just got caught.  Now he is "all better" and he should be allowed back in the NFL - or anywhere else for that matter.  I for one say NO.  If the NFL wants him back, they can have him, but after being an avid football fan for 40 years I am done.  I don't want to watch anyone like him do anything or in any way support a league that includes him. 

July 27, 2009
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I will never watch this dirtbag play football again.  How ridiculous is the argument that "he did the time."  Life is life, whether its a human life or an animal life.  When we discredit that, we devalue the very morals of society.  The animals he killed won't get a second chance...  he's a piece of garbage, and when we are more of a fan than we are more of a human... we ALL become worthless...... whichever team picks him up.... I'm embarrassed for you

July 27, 2009
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greekGIRL/ how about remembering what you said the next time you eat a piece of a murderd cow or MURDERD hog.it"a shame that you"RE so biggotted and self CENTERED.the NFL I BELIEVE HAS MADE A STEP UP LOSING A FAN SUCH AS YOURSELF.

July 27, 2009
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You can forgive Vick personally but still think that the NFL should not reinstate him.  Not that it's a new opinion, but he didn't own up to anything until it was clear he wasn't going to get away with it.  Now he's sorry?  Well I would think so!  But being sorry is what he SHOULD feel.  It's awfully self serving for him to magically feel different all of a sudden.

 

We just don't need an NFL with Michael Vick.  Not surprisingly, the opinions are divided on racial lines.  No one really has any revolutionary ideas.   You have the morons that say it's not a big deal to electricute and torture animals, and then you have those that would gas Vick for his crimes.  Can't we just say, look, he served his time, so he gets to walk around and enjoy his freedom, but, at the same time, Im not his supporter, I wont cheer for him, and he probably shouldnt be invited back to the league.  We should not be teaching people that, as long as you say sorry (after you've been caught and when you stand to make millions for saying it with a straight face), everything will come back to you.  As people have pointed out, normal folks don't get their jobs back after going to federal prison.  So people not exactly feeling sorry for Vick not being able to play football shouldn't be a surprise.

 

I don't want him to suffer, but we ban people from the NFL for a reason.  It's not to harm THEM, but to protect and preserve the game we love and to set an example for aspiring youth.  We dont ban people because we want to see them suffer in obsurity, we ban them because we want to move on.  Good luck getting your life back together, not in the NFL.

July 27, 2009
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In almost any other profession in the United States, if not all, if you did something equivalent to what Michael Vick did you would be fired and not hired back by the company.  The company is the NFL and they did a horrible act by letting someone back into their community after the heinous acts he performed, sponsored, etc. 

 

A politician has an affair (not breaking the law), and more than likely is never a politician again, a teacher has inappropriate relations with a student and will never be allowed in a job with kids again...see the pattern? 

 

Playing int he NFL is a priviledge, not a right as is any other job.  I hope the NFL team that signs Michael Vick goes bankrupt because they lose every sponsor they have.  The people of the United States should be outraged because if this is a "common person" in the United States, there is no way that person gets their job back.  The NFL should be ashamed of themselves and given him the "opportunity" to showcase his remorse in other leagues or ways before reinstating him conditionally. 

 

I would bet Michael Vick serves his suspensions and meets conditions and then screws up again...Look at Marcus...screwed up since college and obviously Michael is the same way. 

 

This is a very sad day for the NFL and most Americans because it proves once again that if you have money and/or talent, your above the rest of the world.

July 27, 2009
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In almost any other profession in the United States, if not all, if you did something equivalent to what Michael Vick did you would be fired and not hired back by the company.  The company is the NFL and they did a horrible act by letting someone back into their community after the heinous acts he performed, sponsored, etc. 

 

A politician has an affair (not breaking the law), and more than likely is never a politician again, a teacher has inappropriate relations with a student and will never be allowed in a job with kids again...see the pattern? 

 

Playing int he NFL is a priviledge, not a right as is any other job.  I hope the NFL team that signs Michael Vick goes bankrupt because they lose every sponsor they have.  The people of the United States should be outraged because if this is a "common person" in the United States, there is no way that person gets their job back.  The NFL should be ashamed of themselves and given him the "opportunity" to showcase his remorse in other leagues or ways before reinstating him conditionally. 

 

I would bet Michael Vick serves his suspensions and meets conditions and then screws up again...Look at Marcus...screwed up since college and obviously Michael is the same way. 

 

This is a very sad day for the NFL and most Americans because it proves once again that if you have money and/or talent, your above the rest of the world.

July 27, 2009
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Champs.... I think you've forgotten, slaughtering beef is not a crime... MURDERING animals is..... sad comparison

July 27, 2009
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YOU BIGGOTS ARE ALL THE SAME. SELF SERVING AND AND UNFORGVING .VICK EARNED HIS RIGHT TO PLAY IN THE NFL THROUGH HIS PERFORMANC ON THE FIELD .NOW YOU HAVE A HAPPY HAMBERGER YOU HEAR///.

July 27, 2009
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Oh, you're right... If this was a WHITE quarterback, I wouldn't be outraged......  Amazing how limitless the race card is

July 27, 2009
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champs1...there is no "right" to play in the NFL...as with any job it's a priviledge to be employed by your employer...it's not a right...and his performance on the field?  Rated last or near last every single year in every QB stat?  Sure he can run, but that's what running backs are for...he's a horrid QB but a great highlight reel...

 

So no...he hasn't earned the RIGHT to do that...I worked hard growing up to be in amazing shape...I could kick a football really far...does that mean I have a "right" to play in the NFL?  No, it means I have the chance to try to play in the NFL...playing is just the priviledge that comes with being selected...VICK SUCKS as a QB...Brett Favre is better than him...and I think Favre might be one of the most overrated QBs ever

July 27, 2009
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THERES NO RACE CARD ONLY AN NON-BIASED CONVERSATION BETWEEN A WHITE MAN AND A BIGOT. SURPRISE///////

July 27, 2009
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There is only one way to look at this whole thing...

 

If you were caught doing EXACTLY what Michael Vick did by your employer (felony, lies, etc), would you be hired back upon serving your prison sentence?

 

I would venture to say 99.9% of Americans would say: "No, I wouldn't be hired back".

 

The NFL is a business just like McDonalds or Taco Bell or Subway...If you were convicted of a felony chances are you'd never be hired back...and these are minimum wage jobs! 

 

Vick should have to apply his edumacashun he got from VT and get a real job.

July 27, 2009
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LEMATTA/ WHAT ARE YOUR FOOTBALL STATS.MY GUESS IS YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU COULD NOT PLAY IN THE NFL.OOP"S/ YOU REALLY  KNOW HOW IT IS TO BE A WANNABE.

July 27, 2009
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NEXT TIME I AM OUT OF THE COUNTRY I WILL MAKE IT A POINT TO BRING YOU NUMBSKULLS .A BURGER MADE FROM YOUR FAVORITE ANIMAL.AND GUESS WHAT THEY ARE MADE IN SOME COUNTRIES ON A REGULAR BASIS. I HAVE NO CONVERSATION LEFT FOR A BUNCH OF NUMSKULLS

July 28, 2009
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I find it quite odd that leo2600 claims to be neither black or white yet eagerly jumps in and pontificates on the history of slavery and race relations between blacks and whites like some sort of expert. I suspect he/she may be a coward and a liar at best or perhaps he/she is just an idiot and my reasoning is if leo2600 is neither black or white he/she couldn't possibly know the underlying dynamics and residual effects of slavery ,jim crow,ect and the incredible leg up it has given to our white brothers and sisters in America. furthermore why would he come down so staunchly on one side of the argument? hmmm  

July 28, 2009
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ITS A SAD DAY FOR SPORTS AND A MUCH UGLIER ONE FOR ALL THOSE DOGS OUT THERE.  I WILL NEVER WATCH VICK PLAY IN ANY GAME NO MATTER WHAT TEAM PICKS HIM UP.  THOSE DOGS HE HAD NEVER GOT A SECOND CHANCE - WHY SHOULD HE?????

July 28, 2009
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Although I am appalled by the crime that Michael Vick I firmly do agree that he should be permitted to play in the NFL again. Good example is; Pacman Jones, look what the incident a couple of years ago in Las Vegas where a strip club employee was not only shot, but, paralyzed as well. Yet, Packman was allowed to continue in the NFL. I also have a great deal of respect for the United States Humane Society, and if they feel that after the psychiatric tests that Vick just completed, and they were satisfied, along with the fact that he is going to work with them to bring awareness to what he did and how wrong it was, then by all means let him play.

July 28, 2009
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Vick is no worse than Dick Cheney who shoots forest creatures and his own friends. If hunting is legal, dog fighting should also be legal. I'd like to see neither one legal.

July 28, 2009
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Wow..there's some very deep emotional diatribe on this blog.  Let's focus.  The race issue that some bring up is absolutely neandrathal in this day and age...we should rise above that as a people.  And, being a dog lover myself, I do find his actions abhorrant but the man has met the letter of the law.  That's all we can ask.

 

The NFL is not like your ordinary job so comparisons on that level are moot.  The NFL is $$ driven, an entertainment industry.  He did his time that the courts mandated, let him play and see what the market will bear.  If his commodity has decreased in value due to his actions (read: boycott the team that hires him if you disapprove of his actions), then let that team take the risk of loss of $$, or the gain of big $$ if his talent boosts their teams performance and draws fans.

July 28, 2009
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Great! I'm super happy, I think he got a raw deal. He was fighting pitbulls, not chihuahua or labs. People have raised those dogs as puppies only to have them murder their owners in their sleep. I got no love for pitbulls. Michael Vick got sold out by his so called friends, he's a football & a good one at that! Congrats MV

July 28, 2009
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Michael Vick is a piece of S**T. The only reason he's "sorry" for what he did is because he got CAUGHT! If he hadn't been caught, he'd still be torturing those poor dogs.

 

I would love to hear that his punishment was the same punishment that he imposed on the dogs he maimed...electrocution, drowning, hanging and the pain those poor dogs felt when they were being ripped apart by the other dogs they were fighting.

 

To: dawuud reguarding your following Blog- "Wow!! It amazes me that people are so harsh in their judgement of others. "By the same measure you judge so shall you be judged". I know that some of you who wish that this man should suffer more than he has have yourselves done some pretty aggregious acts in your lives. Boy I would love to see you beg for mercy when you must face judgement."

 

GET A LIFE!!! I can only guess that YOU'VE done the same things that Vick has! I know I have NEVER done ANYTHING so bad in my life and never would, sounds like you have. Speak for yourself and don't include others in your comments...you hippocrite!

 

As for Vick playing football again, I know that I have the option to change the channel if and when he's on and I will! I only blogged today because I'm SO SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THAT NASTY, ABUSIVE, SELF CENTERED PIECE OF S**T!

July 28, 2009
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To "bunnyrod"...you are ignorant to say the least. If you raise a chihuahua or lab the way @holes raise pits to fight then they would be the same as the pits. (Chihuahua's probably wouldn't cause as much damage...well, maybe to your ankle) However a lab could do the same damage as a pit if that's what it was raised to do.

 

You commented: "People have raised those dogs as puppies only to have them murder their owners in their sleep." Exactly...PEOPLE are at fault, not the dogs. I raised a pit/rottie from three weeks old and he was the best dog I've ever had. I'm sure if I had raised him to be agressive he'd be a killer but he was raised with love and kindness and NEVER hurt another animal or person.

 

Get your facts straight.

July 28, 2009
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I think this sends a horrible message to our young children..whom would do anything to fill his spot and be a model citizen.  These athletes that think they are above the law and too arougant to think otherwise is just a travisty to this society.

July 28, 2009
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The NFL has sunk to a new low.  No second chances.  He can still live like a king for the rest of his life without performing in the NFL.  The NFL has proven they have no honor, no integrity and do not demonstrate sportsman like conduct.  It is about money and publicity.  If I were Vick, I would watch my back, Karma is a bitch and he has his coming.

July 28, 2009
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YES... HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A 2ND CHANCE!! Is there any one of you that is perfect, or that has not made a mistake in this life?  Let's just say you never got caught........... Just leave the young man alone and let him learn the experience of life... Go play ball Vick!!!

July 28, 2009
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I will support the NFL if they allow Micheal Vick to play again ...it will prove to me they are humans and sensitive. I guess I will have to purchase my first season tickets, only for the team that let him play again...rah rah

July 28, 2009
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SO what is fair for one is not fair for all...  Pete Rose who was a greater athlete than Vick, can not only be a part of the baseball league, He cannot be in the baseball hall of fame.  NFL you have no integrity, you are weak and I am ashamed of you.  Pete Rose, you need to file a grievance to be re-instated to the Baseball hall of fame!!!!!

July 28, 2009
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Vick has served his time now let the man move on with his life. It doesn't mean what he did wasn't wrong (we all know it was), but nothing can change the past. He has to learn from it and everyone has to move forward. We are ALL human, we make mistakes, some worse than others. Prison - "Correctional Facilities" are not only there to house the part of the population that have made bad choices, they also have a responsibility to rehabilitate those who come back to society. What's the purpose of imposing a sentence, then continually punishing the offenders after they have served it?

July 28, 2009
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Some people would not be satisfied if Michael Vick were drawn and quartered during half-time at the Super Bowl. He made a big mistake, paid the price stipulated by law for that mistake, and should be allowed the same opportunities any other person has after having served his time in prison. Animal rights whackos need to get a life!

July 28, 2009
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'vick' should never be involved with any living thing again. he is MONSTER. he RUINED the lives of those dogs, and is responsible for the DEATH of those dogs that had to be put down because of aggression issues. he is a MURDERER. he does not care about anyone but himself! he even used a contraption to trap the female dogs in one spot so they have no choice but to be bred.THIS IS RAPE. this is SICK and ALIEN-LIKE. he is NO human and NEVER will be. the fact that people consider him human is disgusting and inappropriate for the actions this 'thing' you call 'Micheal Vick' has done. if those dogs were human he would be locked up and everyone would hate him and he'd never be trusted. the fact that people think 'its just a few dogs' is just INEXCUSABLE!do people honestly think because someone is in jail they change? NO. once a monster is ALWAYS a monster. i for one am truly horrified he is even on the streets. that fact that the NFL seem to think its ok for this to happen is unacceptable. micheal vick is trash and he is now a symbol for what the NFL is. that monster should be put behind bars for the rest of his life and should never be allowed to step foot outside of prison walls. if he did this to those poor dogs, that shows he has no sense of value for life.INCLUDING human lives. if he did this sick and perverted thing to them then of course he is going to continue and it will even get worse. NOTHING can be done to said to make this freak of nature human again. as for the NFL...your just as bad as 'Micheal Vick' for saying 'its ok'.

July 28, 2009
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bunnyrod you are extremely ignorant. pit-buls have NEVER been bred to attack people. pit-bulls have always been bred to be companion animals towards people. to other dogs in the 1800's they were bred for dog fighting BUT had to be human friendly.i advise you learn about the breed before bashing them. any dog treated the way that creep treated his dogs would be just as aggressive. maybe you should read up on the breed. it would do some good for you. because of monsters like vick, the pit-bull rep has been smashed and people live in fear of these dogs. GOLDEN RETRIEVERS bite more people then pits do. learn the facts

July 28, 2009
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The real issue here is about GAMBLING.  That's what dog fighting is really about. 

 

Of course there's the cruelty to animals issue.  And, the role model issue.  And, the fact that he broke the law.  

 

The NFL's reinstatement of Vick basically says that anything goes.  Maybe it's time for Alex Karras to be put into the Hall of Fame too.

 

Sad commentary if you ask me.

July 28, 2009
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Yes by all means he should be allowed to resume his career after paying his debt to society.  What if he was a window washer and paid his debt to society, why would he not be allowed to wash windows again.  True enough the cruelty he is guilty of is unthinkable.  But what about dear hunting, isn't that just as cruel, don't dear hunters hold professional jobs and are able to support their families and might I add no jail time is imposed. Why should Vick's priviledges be revoked to perform his career?  What ever happen to parents being role models and not expecting the public to be a role for your children.  Would you allow the public to raise your child?

July 29, 2009
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I am SO tired of all this hupla over the treatment of dogs!!  I love animals; I wouldn't attend nor enjoy dog fighting.  But here's a man who has served 2 years of his life in prison for his part in the activity; yet we have murderers; pedophiles; racial activity offenders; police brutality; participants in domestic violence; repeater DUI offenders all who walk the streets. When some of these mistreatments of PEOPLE occur many of us don't bat an eye; unless it has effected someone close to us.  Michael Vick dosen't just deserve a 2nd chance; he should be playing immediately! A mentor? He's a grown man( I do like Dungy) treat him with the respect deserves!!

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