Friday, July 24, 2009
Arrested professor sparks debate

It seems everyone has something to say about the arrest of prominent black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. This passionate and creative video from iReporter DesireG stood out from the rest.

 

Not only did Desire tackle a heated issue by thoroughly explaining her stance, she did it in a way that was interesting to watch. We often encourage iReporters to keep their video submissions short, but Desire’s commentary – at around four minutes – kept us engaged the entire time. The sound quality, smooth editing and subtle transitions are some of the best we've seen on the site.

 

We're equally excited about the response to Desire's video. It's been viewed, e-mailed and shared on social networking sites a record number of times, and spurred a passionate response in the comments field.

 

People had varying reactions to her view that Gates, not the arresting officer, was to blame. While HeidiG agreed, saying that "racial profiling is wrong ... but not all cops are bad or racist," BiologyMom30 wrote, "this whole event undermines real incidents of racial profiling by police." And several iReporters echoed what seeitnow had to say: "Extremely well done," he wrote. "She sets the bar high for the rest of us."

68 Comments
July 24, 2009
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Give it a rest.  Do we not have more important things to worry about than this?  The President should not have been asked that question to begin with.  Are we all so bored that we jump on any little thing and yell and scream until the media runs out of anything to report.

July 24, 2009
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Someone please ask the question for me, What rights do a person have in his own home? One of my old friends was just shot and killed in his home when the police was in per suite of this person’s son. I think that it important that during this discussion about professor Gates that informing the public as well as minority communities as to what rights are appropriate.

 

 

July 24, 2009
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Henry Louis Gates: The sequel

 

Two white police officers were recently exonerated for killing a Black man in Texas, yet the biggest racial story we can talk about all week is how Professor Henry Louis Gates Baited a white officer, who was sent to protect his property, into arresting him.

I believe that while slumming in search of “a Black Experience” lil Skippy Gates; AKA Chicken Little, took advantage of the opportunity to create the results he was seeking.

Meanwhile, we real Black men in the trenches, without “Drivers” who don’t have the luxury retreating to “white world” to engage in discourse at a distance, we’re the ones suffering the brunt of his little contrived experiment.

 

This incident is all about Gates and his next production.  Just like the Black community can’t financially afford his fees to come out and talk to young Black kids, we can ill afford these non productive self indulging antics stage under the guise of helping race relations.  Contrary to Gates beliefs, I ‘m sure he isn’t the only affluent Black that these officers have encountered in this community; although he’d like to think so.

 

I agree, cooler and smarter heads should have prevailed on both side. So much for the credibility of the so called “Black Scholar”

 

 

July 24, 2009
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DesireG: Congratulations! Really from the bottom of my heart, it's people like you who we need to have a strong and passionate voice!

I hope you continue to express your honest opinions and if you ever run for anything, I'm with you all the way!!!

God Bless You

 

July 24, 2009
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I am a daily CNN viewer but turned the tv off today because I am outraged by the manner in which this newscast is twisting Obama's words. He said what the offices did was stupid, not that the officers are stupid. This is a crucial difference that should not be fabricated. Obama should be showed more compassion for the continuous mess he is dealing with and not be under scrutiny for every word he uses.

July 24, 2009
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I agree with Bomag on whether or not Obama should apologize for saying cops acted “stupidly” in Gates arrest; it's a strange question to me.  In fact, any reasonable person could ascertain his statement is more than accurate. DesireG's video stood out from the rest, because she supports an overrall view that, compared to everyday abuses, Mr. Gates' experience just isn't all that bad.  Nonetheless, she overlooks the fact that this officer is suppose to be trained to deal with encounters with all sorts of people, with all sorts of personalities, from all sorts of backgrounds; in direct correlation with his supposed expertise in 'profiling'.  However, clearly, he was not adequately prepared for a man to be reasonably offended that the officer was not satisfied that he was both the unwitting suspect and resident of the property. Moreover, I have a few questions myself:  1) What on earth made the officer think Mr. Gates had become so disruptive that he was, somehow, "disturb[ing] the peace"  and should, in fact, be arrested?  I looked up "disorderly conduct" and that's the gist.   Moreover, such a disturbance would imply it drew the attention of eyewitnesses who have, yet, to come forward. 2) Isn't the drill of having to defend one's self, in your own home, offense enough?  And 3) When did one's education or training, of any sort, become the litmus test for whether or not someone has the propensity to either abuse their position or discriminate?  In that case, open the prison doors and release the culprits of Enron; release Madoff; and release those arrested in the recent N.J. corruption scandal; and, by all means, don't question the pedophile priests that molest and abuse little children under the color of religion.  I suspect they have all had some sort of training to avoid their behaviors and are, probably, very well educated.  To  Obama, I say:  You said what you said; you had good cause; you are the man with the plan, now, use your position to "CHANGE" the laws that condone such policies.  The fact is, a man's home is HIS castle; like Michael Jackson once said:  "It's just a house now", it's been defiled and it was, clearly, the Cambridge Police that allowed it to go there.  Moreover, I speak with experience in dealing with the Cambridge courts (read my reports) - they support their own and it has nothing to do with the law, which is all too easily circumvented.        

July 24, 2009

Hmmm, I wonder who was the first person to make an iReport about Obama’s reaction on Gates?  It wasn’t an assignment but the iReporter must have felt it was an issue that was important.  Also, wonder how the video quality and editing was of the first iReport that broke this issue.  Respect! http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-302670

July 24, 2009
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Salsteels: yours was very good too, DesireG also did a magnificent job.

July 24, 2009

@ANAV DesireG production value was good; however, I respectfully disagree with her opinion.

July 24, 2009
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I am white, male, will be 67 next month.  I grew up referring to black people using the n-word.  I am from Texas; and the black people were referred to by that designation.  That is what they refereed to themselves as being.  Then they were referred to as Negroes, then African-Americans and blacks.  REGARDLESS of what anyone calls them, they are human beings just as you and I are human beings, and should be respected as such.  I am NOT racist!  I (and my family) did not have disrespect for them when we called them by those (now degrading) names.  I have been around these people all my life and have a deep respect for them as I do the Latino people, and the white people.  There are good and bad of all races.  I remember my dad getting up from the table at the noon meal and going out to the front of the house and asking a black man, carring a load of groceries, if he would like to be taken home in the car.  My dad took the man about a mile and a half to his home; then, came back home and finished his lunch.  This was in 1954!

 

Having stated my position concerning the blacks, I want to make some statements about Mr. Gates and how I see the situation.  IF, I had been approached by the officer like Mr. Gates was, I would expected him to follow me inside while I got my identification.  IF, Mr. Gates had been a burglar, he could have took a step or two inside the house, turned, and shot the officer.  The officer was investigating a burglary report.  I feel that Mr. Gates either was using this oppertunity to make himself look like a very important man; or is a racist himself!  I believe that there is still a lot of racism left in the U. S.; but, I truly believe that a lot of the blacks are trying to make it seem even more so and hurting themselves and ALL blacks by doing so.  It turns a lot of the whites and Latinos against them; even other blacks.  They appear to be crying "Wolf", when there is none.  The arrest of Mr. Gates does not surprise me. What surprises me most is Mr. Gates' going on and on about racial profilling, etc.  He is a Harvard proffesor!  He should have more sense than to be so blantantly putting down an officer for trying to make sure that Mr. Gates home is not being burglarized!  I am not saying that the officer HAD to arrest Mr. Gates; but, do not feel that he did so because of anything racial.  I feel that Mr. Gates just pushed too hard and the officer this caused to make the decision to arrest him.

President Obama didn't help matters when he made his statement about the arrest last Wednesday.  AND, though he made other statements trying to cover his mistake, he should have just apoligized and been done with it.  I am a Republican, but am proud that this country elected a black president.  We just didn't elect the RIGHT black president.  I differ with most of Mr. Obama's policies; but, am proud to have a black president.  I think that within the next two or three presidential elections, we should elect a woman president; maybe even a black woman president.  I DO NOT care about the race or gender of our elected officials!  I just want officials who will run the country properly!

 

 

July 24, 2009
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Let us not forget something.

 

The police chiefs, officers and unions have NO RIGHTS when it comes to respecting the authority and words and advises and berates from their leaders - the MAYOR, the GOVERNOR and the PRESIDENT. Police and Military service is NOT A DEMOCRACY - they have to follow orders and listen to whatever words are said from political authority and leaders and NOT ASK FOR APOLOGIES. If the President thinks the Cambridge Police acted stupidly then that is directed at the SYSTEM and not at people. Lower ranks officials, police chiefs and  unions have no rights questioning the judgment and words of their chief.

 

The Mayor, the Governor, the President are elected by the people and represent the people and if the police does not respect them then there is no LAW and ORDER.

 

Further I believe we are country of WIMPS in assuming that it is rightful for police to ask for IDs while in your home, to arrest for raising one's voice, for speaking loudly to your neighbors from your porch.

 

This has nothing to do with race.

July 24, 2009
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The news media is getting this all wrong. You are asking the wrong question.  This is not about racial profiling but about what is known in police circles as "contempt of cop".   That is why other officers regardless of race will rally around the arresting officer.  The charge of disorderly conduct is commonly used when a citizen fails to properly recognize the power and authority of the police.  It is something that police fear more than anything else...failure of citizens to obey their "lawful" commands.  Of course once arrested for contempt of cop the charge gets dropped. But it ultimately serves to teach the disrespectful "offender" a lesson.  The professor yanked the officers chain.  It's too bad the officer did not have the skills to difuse the situation before ulitimately showing the professor how much power and authority we give police. This scenario gets played out every day in America.  Most arrested can't claim to be a friend of the President and most are not smart enough not to get the charge of "resisting arrest" added to their booking sheet.     

July 25, 2009
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Desire, I must say I was thoroughly impressed with your commentary.  Not just another "opinion" but a well-thought out campaign delivered honestly. The presentation was professional yet at such a casual level that made me feel comfortably neutral (as I believe some of the "playing it out" was very politically directed) and proud of you as an intellegent individual.

 

I will say I am in total agreement with your statement and as I read the posts on this site, better understand why I study our African American social culture.  You obviously see the direction for the future of the United States in coming to terms with our racist history and should be well lauded for the recognition of how developing a new ideology for all the races in this country would better support our future as one Nation. 

 

Please - help teach our children. I will continue to look for your name as you develop and build your path through life.

July 25, 2009
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Yes…racial profiling still does exist.  I am Black Police Officer and it’s hard not to profile a person, if they are white or black. 

 

For example: if a white skin head came to my front door delivering Chinese food,  I would be very care of opening the door; if a black man came to my door wearing a hooded sweat, delivering Chinese food ( just the same) I would be very care of opening the door.

 

Let keep it real…it is what it is.  We label everything and everybody!  It’s a part of our nature to place people in a category. Where the problem come in is that we don’t fine tune what we see!

 

July 25, 2009
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Salsteels: I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion. I liked yours alot too because you were being honest. I also liked DesireG's because she spoke with so much passion and truth and didn't take sides...

 

 

July 25, 2009

Ok, I will bite on this one. First, DesireG said that she thinks Gates’s neighbor racially profiled him and I think that was completely out of line and is on the border of slander.  Gates’s neighbor is a private citizen and if she just went one step further, a defamation suit could be appropriate.  Second, she spoke about Oscar Grant and how he was murdered by Johannes Mehserle.  Fact, Mr. Mehserle, the police officer involved, has not been tried yet; however, DesireG decided to public state that he is a murderer.  SO for the people gushing over her video, I am a little concerned on why you think DesireG’s opinion is so super fabulous and well thought.  I actually watched the entire video several times and still cannot get over the fact that she crossed the line on some issues.

 

On a side note, CNN doesn’t just put any video up, even if the production value is good.  The news angle for this story was DesireG, an African-American woman, we not siding with an African-American man in potentially charged racial issue.  Make no mistake why this was put on the front page and why it got 300K+ views.  There is not a big news angle if a white person takes the side of a white cop rather than a black man.  That would be considered “typical” by the public.

 

Like I said, I respectfully disagree with DesireG; however, I enjoyed that she did take the time to edit her views.  I would also urge you to watch the video again and see if my above statements are valid.

July 25, 2009
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Salsteels: this is from an article about that incident...

Mehserle has been charged with murder in the Jan. 1 killing of Oscar Grant, a 22-year-old Hayward man whom Mehserle shot in the back as Grant lay facedown on the Fruitvale BART platform. The shooting was captured by at least half a dozen cell phone and video cameras and sparked immediate outrage from the community.

 

If its captured on cellphones and cameras, theres your answer... He is a murderer...

 

DesireG gave her honest and passionate opinions on these matters...

July 25, 2009

@ANAV Mehserle has not been found guilty of murderer, thus cannot be called a murderer.  Now ANAV this is completely different if you think he is a murderer without being found guilty in a court of law.  Am I wrong?

July 25, 2009
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Salsteels: you gotta be kidding me. It shows on video that he shot him, guilty! but if we need to wait for him to be found guilty in a court of law, then ok, we should...But when you have concrete proof like that, it's murder...

July 25, 2009
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Salsteels: one more thing before I head out. So if you capture someone killing someone on video in broad daylight, is he guilty of murder automaticly? or do you still have to think about it?

July 25, 2009

@ANAV  Ok now I know why you agree with DesireG and you should have stated that you believe Officer Mehserle is guilty of murderer before being convicted.  Folks, just because you passionately argue your opinion does mean they are correct or cannot be refuted.  Many people passionately argue how the holocaust never happened, how humans never landed on the moon, or how the sky is RED.  I happen to respectfully disagree with those individuals.

 

Now concerning Officer Mehserle, ANAV I respectfully disagree that Office Mehserle should be called a murderer before he is convicted of murderer.  We have laws for a reason and I cannot say whether his gun went off or if he reached for a non-lethal weapon and grabbed his gun instead.  This might be a weak excuse; however, I am not going to make a iReport video and publicly call the neighbor of Mr. Gates a racist and call a police office that has not be convicted of murderer, a murderer.   However, I believe that if Officer Mehserle was found NOT guilt, many people will still call him a murder, as many people call soldiers and people who have abortions, etc. murders.

 

As long as we can respectfully disagree with each other, I think we are making progress.  I guess I am stating my 2 cents again!

 

July 25, 2009
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Desire G, I just wanted to let you know; If I had to choose between listening to you or Larry Elder.  You'd win hands down, on every subject.  Larry Elder, just so you know, I'm not a racist but I don't want to be white either.  I'm black and I know it.  When I watched Dave Chappell's skit; the one that showed him in the KKK. When he stated "he hated niggers, all of em", I thought of you.  Someone should you in front of the mirror and hold you still long enough for you to realize that; although you've had zero experiences as a black manyour _ss is still black.  I come to the aid of whites, blacks, hispanics, asians etc., when they are done wrong.  This issue is important more so than ever; because having a black president means nothing to most white people.  They are not automatically going to see us as equal, open certain doors to us or respect us.  If we want those things we are going to have to continue to pursue them, regardless of whose in the white house.  I think having a black president is more of a distraction than a blessing.  I'm grateful though for the accomplishments of President Obamabut I know it doesn't mean my life will improve one iota.  My father died for this country and left my mother with eight children to raise alone.  Had it not been for certain rich white people, we would have starved.  My mother couldn't get a job, the only thing she had ever done was pick cotton.  My sisters hated white people though, and used to brag about flicking lighters in their hair as just jumped off of the bus.  When I heard this, I let them know they should have been locked under the jail.  They were lucky they got away it, but God sees everything.  I have loaned whites money in the store when they came up short at the register.  I have stood up to protect whites when they were being harrassed by blacks on two occasions, and will do it again.  I treat people the way I would like to be treated, and I know I'm not a racist, but when something is wrongit's wrong.  It won't be made right with denialit will be made right with open discussion and tolerance for views from the opposing side.

July 25, 2009
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Bottom line. When your caught up in the middle of a police investagation, you sit down and shut up and call your lawyer. You dont argue with the people just doing their job. Been there, Done that.

Davtek

July 25, 2009
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So can someone tell me what qualifies as disorderly conduct?  Was Gates arrested because he was shouting?  Did Gates physically attack the officer?  I would really like to know the details because his statement to the officer at the time of the incident, “this is what happens to black men in America” while perhaps overly general doesn’t appear to be totally unjustified given that he was accused of breaking into his own home? While it may be true that Gates’ neighbor was responsible for racially profiling, isn’t it the job of law enforcement to protect its citizens from the unjust actions of others?

 

And while it has been alleged that black intellectuals make money from possibly exploiting racial incidents such as this one, I have to say that they have also been responsible for exposing the unfair treatment of blacks in this country and their voices have helped passed legislation to assist in rectifying the problem.  If they get paid for exposing racism and encouraging debate, I say go for it! 

 

July 25, 2009
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I beg to differ this is not a teachable moment, it's a shame what Blacks and other minorities have to go thru in this country.  Mr. Obama had a great opportunity to address this issue, he started a great dialogue when he stated that the Cambridge Officer acted stupidly and sadly he retreated.  Truth be told, if Mr. Gate was a White Male we wouldn’t have been arrested.  It’s sad what’s taking place in this country who constantly recites liberty and justice for all.

Shame on the Black Cambridge Officer who was there and believes that the way Gates was treated was fair.  I would like for him to have gone thru what Mr. Gate went thru.  He is only covering his own butt, in fear that if he speaks out he will be alienating by his peers.  SHAME ….SHAME….SHAME…

 

July 25, 2009
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This conversation is a farce if it is void of the entire truth. Black people will always be treated as second class citizens in this country, and only people who are biased cannot see that Crowly was being malicious in his actions when he arrested Dr. GATES.  Obama should not worry about the people who threaten not to vote for him in the second election because he spoke against the bad judgement of the police officers involved (Crowly). I personally believe that the white people that voted for Obama is just as outraged at the Police as the rest of us.  The ones' who threaten not to vote for him again never voted for him in the first place, so why worry about them.  "Speak the truth and speak it ever cause it what it will. He who hides the wrong thing, does the wrong thing still".  How come I never hear about a Black officer treating a white person unfairly?  It is not the traing it is the mindset of the individual. Jail is a horrible place and a basic reminder to Black people of slavery. To be chained and locked away is not a good thing and is used as a means to frighten and exact revenge on Black folks. An officer should not get away with locking up Black people without having good reason.

July 25, 2009
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Then next thing that bothers me is that they shove these Black folks to help defend the racist behavior.  We are not buying it, and we already know they are just supporting Crowly because they work with him, and to not be ostracised by their colleagues go along with the bad behavior. The sad thing is, when and if trouble comes for those same Black officers the Black Community would still rush to their aid.

July 25, 2009
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I keep hearing that the police officer was correct arresting Mr. Gates. If it was rue that Mr gates was disorderly-so why were the charges dropped if it was official?

July 25, 2009
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It seems that Professor Gates has some stereotypes about white police officers and blacks that are not any more warranted than stereotypes that white police officers may have about blacks.  This seems to have led to a belligerent reaction on his part that got him arrested.

 

The fact that the black police officer who was on the scene supports the arresting officer's version of events would seem a powerful collaboration of what led up to the arrest of the professor.  I expect he will shortly be labeled an "Uncle Tom" for his stand, or commentators will attribute his support to pressure from fellow officers.

 

The president made one of his few mistakes weighing in on this situation without all the facts.  A shame, as he could have easily ducked commenting, as he preceded his "police acted stupidly" remark by an admission he did not have all the facts.

 

July 25, 2009
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The CNN story is naive and the commentators have been uncritical in light of empirical evidence. Thank God Professor Gates was not Tasered. Give us all the evidence indeed!  America is divided after two BLACK Kings-- MLK and Rodney.... Both were brutalized by our "men in blue".... If we had more police accountability, then this story would not be so sensational.  Too bad there was no video...but it wouldn't matter really. There is no real police accountability. Please read Nietzsche and the reality of power and master morality!  Gates is lucky to be alive.

 

July 25, 2009

Men in blue, Men in beige, Men in navy, Men and light blue and all the police colors. None of that means a damn thing if their asses think they are god and feel that their shit don.t stink and they can go around doing whatever the hell they want. Its the mind of the individual that keeps a cool head. Once Crowley had nothing else to hold Prof Gates on inside his home I might add, wether Gates cussed him out, told him to get the hell out or whatever the hell he said, people....it ain.t a crime to cuss at the police, its only a crime when they get embarrassed about it and got to save face in front of their other boys in blue. Its still racial profiling and its still wrong. God is going to punish them all on judgement day. We all have to face god. Your blue uniform will not help you then. Hell is Hell.

July 25, 2009
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The president, Police officer and Prof. Skip Gates.

I want to ask a pertinent question that has never been ask in the case of arrest of Professor Skip Gates by the Cambridge police officer, Crowley? Did they ask the Female white neighbour if she kept a tab on the supposedly two young black males with back pack? how did they escape if she actually saw them? How did 2 young black males suddenly turn out to be just one middle aged black Professor with cane trying to enter his own house? Did they find any strange person in the house? Does this white female know Prof Gate as the owner of the house or  otherwise have both ever spoken or saw each other? otherwise, why and how did the 2 young black males suddenly disappear with no trace,description or video evidence or evidence of any sort. Why not interview this mysterious white Lady?

My point is that this white female probably may have insinuated this incidence on purpose knowing that controversy of this nature may result. She may not even like the idea of a black man irrespective of status living in her area? this has been the fact because many of us have experienced this? Somebody should x-ray this questions with regard to the credibility or authenticity of this white female in pretence of being a good neighbour. This is rather a false alarm? Why not interview this mysterious white Lady? Or rather investigate her insinuation.

My candid opinion is that the police associations in Cambridge are just trying to save face and President Obama is most probably right.

 

July 25, 2009
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Imagine if Professor Gates had accused a mexican student of plagiarism and demanded the student prove he wrote the paper. Imagine if the student got irate and started yelling at Mr. Gates and said, "why, cause i'm a mexican and you don't think we're smart enough to write papers?" What if this student continued yelling at the professor and the professor tried to calm him down but to no avail? What if the professor warned the student that if he didn't stop yelling and calm down that he would have to call campus security to have him escorted from the building? What if the student continued yelling and even followed Professor Gates as he left the classroom and would not stop his tirade saying, "you don't know who you're messing with homey."

 

Do any of us doubt what the outcome would be? The campus police would arrest this student and escort him from the building. The student would also be brought up on disciplinary charges and very likely expelled from Harvard.

 

No organization can allow its employees to be treated in this manner. It's not accepted anywhere in society. Referees can eject coaches for this type of behavior, airline stewardesses can eject passengers for this type of behavior, so why can't a cop use his only tool to handle this type of situation: a disorderly conduct arrest?

July 25, 2009
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Professor Gates must understand that you must live what you preach. He felt he was above the law for whatever reason; maybe money and prestige, maybe just a power trip. The police will arrest EVERYONE who acts beligerant in their presenceunfortunately, in some cases, people homes becomes public domainaccording to law. IF, the officer tried to calm the Professor down without success--


Well..............

July 26, 2009
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Salsteels: Of course we should respect without being rude, but like I said,

If you saw a man shoot another man in broad daylight, and you captured on cellphone or video, would he be a murderer to you? or would you just wait until he got a fair trial?

 

The other officers looked stunned when he shot him!

 

I wanna know your answer...

July 26, 2009
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If the Professor accused anyone of anything, the professor must be prepared to enter such evidence.  If the police accused Gates of a crime then the police must enter such evidence.  My big question is, why drop the charges if your judgement to arrest him was correct. Why not prosecute him like you would any ordinary person? The law requires you to act so what is really going on here? How come Gates can get away with a crime but the rest of us cannot, and what type of preferential treatment is that, arrest and no prosecution?  Sounds like someone (CROWLY) was disciplining and punishing (ARRESTING) someone (GATES)for some other reason than the official reason stated. Last thing, what kind of evidence are we going to get from the police about the police? I think it will be a predictable plot- Gates was acting like a madman and an out of control person who did everything wrong and had to be restrained and arrested, no other choice.  A plot that makes this rational Black intellectual (wise not only in knowledge but also in years/experience) look like someone different to even the people who've known GATES for decades. We are not buying it, and it is so obvious that Crowly does this all the time and is shocked now because he did it to the wrong old Black man.  A lesson to all the bigots in the police force to first google the name of their next Black victim before you decide to show your Black victims who's really in charge.  The white folks that voted for change (OBAMA) would not do so if they were bigots, and are just as outraged and stand as one with all people of good conscience against any system whether black or white that oppress others.

July 26, 2009
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I believe once the policeman knew it was not a break-in, he should have just said OK, bye now, sorry for the inconvenience.  Gates was in the right, it was his property.  The charges were dropped for a good reason.  This is all too much B.S. for my mind to wrap around!!  There are too many other problems in the world to make this the biggest issue.....God is Great, Beer is Good and People are CRAZY!!!

July 26, 2009

@ANAV  Do you want an answer to your hypothetical or do you want an answer to the Officer Mehserle case?  I will be the first person if Officer Mehserle is convicted of 1st degree murder to say he is a murder.  If the jury comes back and finds that it was an accident and acquits Officer Mehserle, will you still call him a murder?  OJ was found not guilty, Michael Jackson was found not guilty.  Are they guilty?  Not according to some members of the black community.  However, Koon, Powell, Briseno (officers in the Rodney King beating) were acquitted.  Are they guilty?  Majority of blacks believe yes.  I also did an iReport on this Officer Mehserle issue, link: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-177654   I think we just have to leave it at we agree to disagree.

July 26, 2009
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Salsteels: The Rodney King beating, those cops were guilty right away and anyone who didn't think they were guilty definitely lean towards the white cops. Simple as that, that beating was so terrible and pure hatred. Are they guilty? YES...

 

 

 

July 26, 2009
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ANAV: which cop among the multiple cops were guilty and what crime were they guilty of. That is what the court case was about. You can't charge the entire group as a group, in our criminal justice system you can only charge an individual and hold him accountable for his own actions. Thus each individual was tried according to what he did, not what the group did. That's why only the police officer who kicked Rodney King in the back of the head is the one who was found guilty. Because that was clearly a violation of police procedure. But hitting a suspect with a billy club WAS police procedure when a suspect refused to stop moving. So the prosecutor had to prove WHICH billy club blow was "excessive force" and which police officer administered it.

 

Yes, watching the Rodney King beating was shocking and we all felt that this was wrong. But I challenge you to watch the video again and see if you can determine when the use of force became excessive, which EXACT billy club blow and which EXACT officer was responsible. And then come back and let us know what you determined.

July 26, 2009
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We tax payers are responsible for their salaries.

You dont argue with the people just doing their job.

The idea that everyone should be judged solely on their capabilities and job performance is a very strong American value. Very few people believe that it's okay to fire hardworking and high-performing employees just because they're not as every US government employee: African Americans, they have all privileges just because by using their tool  “Discrimination”. But let’s be honest, they  always are covering themselves, they protect  their lazy  work an poor performance, and not other race is allow to have good jobs at the government level. Most legislation in this area expressly prohibits quotas or other employment practices that could result in preferential treatment based only in the color (just for African-Americans).

 

When talking about employment protections, talk about the importance of hard work, productivity, and contributing to the economic health of the nation. Remember, it's about having the ability to earn a living (not about being "entitled" to work). And, it's about work as a way to provide for and be responsible for our families. And a clear example is the Department of commerce “Census Bureau”. Favoritism to African Americans and their churches,  also favoritism to their friends. Of course they need some Immigrants to do the real job, a few or no whites in offices. We as  tax payers are responsible for their salaries.

 

 

 

July 26, 2009
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Here's how this should have gone down:

 

Officer:  We received a report of a burglary in progress.

 

Gates: No, that was me - I live here.  Door stuck / forgot keys.

 

Officer:  Do you have a picture ID with this address?

 

Gates:  Yes.  Here's my driver's license.

 

Officer:  Thank you.  Have a nice evening.

 

Gates:  Thank you for protecting my property.

 

End of story.

July 26, 2009
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Hermionie: Exactly!

July 26, 2009
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Unfortunately and apparently the professor did not learn one thing in college and that is when to speak and when not to speak.  When to speak is when you are spoken to win not to speak is when you let your lawyer do your talking.

July 26, 2009
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Attention all African-Americans and people of  color, don't ever say to a policeman do you know who I am ,  Specially when you have friends in high places and most definitely when your friend is the president.  That will get you arrested.[It's not the intelligent thing to do anyway]

July 26, 2009
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The officer said that he had professor Gates step outside because he was concerned about his safety.  I want to know did they canvas or search the inside of his home as well as the outside perimeter of his home to see if there were any other person(s) inside or outside his home before, during, or after they arrested Gates. If there was not a search of the property by the officers I would like to know....why not?

July 27, 2009
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DesireG is just amazing!!  I discovered her just the other day and she is one of the very few that I deem worth following.  CNN should hire her for comentaries!!  Way to go DesireG, you deserve the recognition!

July 27, 2009
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President could have forwarded this letter instead of speaking to nation:

Dear Professor Gates,

Please listen  before you alter fates. Do not let one’s pride,

Cause this great nation to divide. Look at what is happening in such a short time, What this is undoing is really the crime. All across America people are upset, Now I ask you Sir what good will all this get? A learning lessons already taught, So many people’s mending has been for naught.

A man has risen to lead us all, Do not be a part of America’s fall.

This is the year of our lord, two thousand and nine, So please do what you know to be divine. One planet, one race, as one beating heart, The world may end some day, please do not be the start. We lead the world with freedom first, Do not let racism  quench it’s undying thirst. To not enslave us all at last,

Lets look forward away from our past. The mistakes we make and continue to do, Could spell the end of more then me and you. By bringing down our great nation, All of this for the sake of sensation. I ask you not to let our enemies see, Such things may still live in the land of the free. I love the different colors of man, We were created according to plan. So different and the same,

All of us with our own name. Man and woman combine, To create new life is so divine. Able to mix and mingle, No one has to be single. Banding together to survive, I for one am happy to be alive. If we all looked alike it would not be nice, I’m so glad to be the only Sonny Rice.

 

Ernest Rice - 2485 SE Betty Road, Port St Lucie, Florida 34952 phone# 772-905-8553

July 27, 2009
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It seems that what people are forgetting that is more alarming is the abuse of power by police.  The police claim to protect and serve!  What are they protecting and who are they serving.  In this case you are looking at arresting an elderly black man in his own home.  In another case, in the south an elderly white woman was tasered by a police officer as she walked away from him back to sit in her car.  She was 72.  I think we are giving too many of them a gun and badge and they serve themselves.  You see it all to often when you see them stand in support of their stupid actions.

July 27, 2009
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KCRep: I agree all the way! CNN/ireport should hire DesireG as a commentator. She may be the voice of ireport...

Love ya DesireG

July 27, 2009
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Now that the tapes prove the officer was lying in is police report. Maybe Obama needs to take back that invitation.

 

This was a punitive arrest.

 

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-305068

July 27, 2009
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I believe the president did the right thing, so what he said is proven as true.  So I believe that it should stand as is. He obviously saw what others pretend like they did not see. I do not agree with everything that DesireG said but she has some good points on some things. 

July 28, 2009
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The problem with someone like Gates screaming "racism" in this situation is that it diminishes real claims of racism.  Falsely cry wolf enough times and soon everyone who cries wolf will be ignored.

July 28, 2009
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March 11, 2009

 

 

 

 

My name is Lynne V. Bryant and I am writing you this letter in an attempt to notify and eventually receive the assistance and fair treatment that I feel as a United States citizen deserves to be treated fairly and without bias in a court of law.

 

I have been seeking aid and protection through the Cumberland County legal system of Fayetteville NC, for the past two years after being harassed, continuously stalked and eventually assaulted by my neighbor.  

 

Pedro Rios is a thirty-six year old white/Hispanic male that the United States Government has trained in Special Forces has been stalking me and harassing my family since his return from Afghanistan in 2006.  Mr. Rios began his stalking and terrorism of my family aggressively after I told him to stop coming to my home at all hours of the night waking my family with bogus complaints of my dogs barking.  I also asked him to stop approaching me and my children dressed in nothing but a pair of very short boxers and wearing no shirt.  I felt it was inappropriate for him to approach young girls ages 11, 13, and 14 dressed in that manner.  I was also made to feel very uncomfortable when he approached me dressed in that way because it could be clearly seen he was wearing no underwear under these boxers.

 

Mr. Rios began to make complaints on me in an attempt to get me to drop specific charges of video stalking and trespass I had filed against him.  Mr. Rios came to my home one night around 4am and damaged my new car and then told me the very next day he had done it.  When I called the Fayetteville police for their assistance I was told there was nothing they could do about it because I didn’t see him do it.  One of Mr. Rios methods of stalking me was to climb a ladder to look over the six foot fence I have around my back yard to take photographs of me, my dogs and my yard.  These photos were use in court by the state district attorney for reasons that are still very unclear to me other than to invade the rights I have to privacy.  Mr. Rios would verbally attack me by also call me nasty insulting names while he was on this ladder looking into my back yard while baring his half naked body to me over the fence.  He would stand in his garage and video record me as I would be coming into my home or while I was sitting in my car or while I was in my yard or on my porch.  Mr. Rios would stand in between our homes and video record through my dining room window doing this with a police officer standing right beside him.  This same police officer threatened me one evening to the point of putting his hand in the position of his weapon and beckoning me to assault him.  Mr. Rios pulled his car in front of my home and while he was sitting in his car he began to make a gun gesture with his hands at me as if he was shooting a gun at me.  While driving down Cliffdale Rd., the road leading to our housing area Mr. Rios has tried to run my daughters off the road and has also aggressively drove bumper to bumper with me and cut out from behind me only to cut back into the same lane in front me so close he could have cause me to hit him. He has fired a gun out into his back yard trying to intimidate and terrorize me.   There are so many more incidents of Mr. Rios abusive and intimidating   behavior towards me and my family.

 

Each time I have filed charges against Mr. Rios for his harassment the courts have ignored them and charged me.  I have attempted to receive a restraining order against Mr. Rios only for it to be denied by a judge who disregarded my right to equal protection.  I have been arrested falsely for failure to appear in court when I was not notified of a court appearance date. I was placed on probation for one year by judges who totally disregarded my rights to live in peace, privacy and the right to protect my family and myself from danger when one night Mr. Rios tried to break in my front door and placed my 4 year-old grandson in danger of serious injury. The night Mr. Rios did this I defended my family and ran him away from us and kept him away until the police came.  When the police arrived, whom I had called, they threaten to arrest me for assaulting Mr. Rios with a flower pot.  The courts ignore all the wittiness I had that described what this man had done and how he was threatening and cursing at me while he was standing in front of my door on my property.

 

I feel I have been treated as a slave of the state of North Carolina who dose not have the right to be heard in a court of law or to enjoy privileges and protections provided to me as a United States citizen as provided by the US Constitution .  I have been convicted by the use of false evidence.   I was denied to see evidence brought against me by a judge in the Cumberland County court because the evidence was false and the dates of incidents were false.  The mental strain and stress that has been placed upon me has been carried out not only by Mr. Rios but has been fully aided by the judges that have heard the cases put before them.  When this case reached court the judge who presided over this case was very degrading towards me he accused me of drinking or being on drugs and of being an unfit human.  He was very comfortable in doing this because at the time I was the only black in the courtroom out of about sixteen people.  I was placed on probation and a restraining order was placed against me to not go near Mr. Rios when it was establish by the judge himself that I had never approached Mr. Rios and that Mr. Rios was constantly coming on to my property at all hours of the night.  I appealed the decision but was still place on one year probation for protecting my family and I from an aggressive attacker.  While I was on this probation Mr. Rios continued to harass and stalk me which can be proved through the probation office here.  He would contact the probation office in charge of my supervision and also the supervisor of the probation office with bogus complaints. 

 

On February 16, 2008 after filing assault charges against Mr. Rios for attacking me on my property a Cumberland County judge once again disregarded the charges I had placed on Mr. Rios and found me guilty on counter charges filed by Mr. Rios, sentencing me to 18 months of probation for crimes I never committed.  Not only was I found guilty once again on counter charges of revenge but the judge told me I needed mental and physiological help. This was an insult and another form of mental abuse carried out by a legal official.  I also have been ordered by this judge to pay restitution for property that in a clear view of any fair minded individual could not have made such a decision

 

I feel the stalking Mr. Rios had carried out on me and my family has been aided by the racist and bias decisions of the Cumberland County court by the lack of fairness and equality.  I have been unjustly punished because of seeking protection from the law.  I am desperately requesting assistance with this detrimental matter and any assistance or guidance that your division can provide will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. 

 

 

 

 

Signed

Lynne V. Bryant

7152 Dayspring Drive

Fayetteville NC 28314

Home Phone 910-717-4675

Cell Phone    910-263-2174

EMAIL  Sapiental1@AOL.COM

 

 

July 28, 2009
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Comments please

July 29, 2009
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My grandfather still has a sign from the last century that states, "No Irish Need Apply",where my family had been denied jobs for our heritage. I have had people refuse to talk to me because of my white skin, and seen people of color be treated with disrespect by pompous idiots....when do we get to be free from being white or black....can we not just look at the driver instead of the car?

 

When an officer is called out to protect a citizens home, he is duty bound to due diligence.  But if someone pulled me out of my own home and arrested me for being angry at being questioned on my own property, you bet I would find that very hard to forgive.  The officer, once ID was established, should have ended it there.

 

I believe that now, when every move we make, every place we travel, we are scrutinized so thoroughly it causes us to feel like our basic freedoms have been compromised.  Coupled with very old wounds it is like hay and and a lighted match. 

 

It is interesting that this situation is so compelling, and really much bigger than the two individuals involved.  In medicine we take a look at the symptoms to point to where to heal, I think we should look at this situation just that way.

 

 

July 29, 2009
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What Desire seems to fail to acknowledge is that there is selective suspicion and selective application of the law that can circumvent the technicalities. So as many (but not exclusively) white apologists have put forth on numerous blogs, they use the technicality of what officer Crowley did as having been within the confines of the law, ignoring the probable (but clearly unprovable) reality that if Gates were white - seeming uppity would be a non-issue: The officer would have probably said something like "Glad to know this is your house" and left him alone. Period. The racial profiling statistics speak for themselves. There are subliminal presumptions of guilt for some; and entitlement for others. I am black; a male about to receive his PhD; have had to spend hours in a precinct in Washington, DC in the 1970s after being pulled over suspected of having stolen my own Volvo in the Capitol Hill area on a rainy night while teaching my brother-in-law how to drive a standard shift... even after presenting driver's license and registration clearly showing that I owned the car. Yes, this still happens. It has to stop.

July 30, 2009
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I agree that we do have many other issues on the table. But this can no longer be overlooked and exploited. Prejudice, discrimination, (whatever you want to call it) has been here for years. This country spawned from it and it will slowly decay from it. How can we celebrate putting a man on the moon but we cannot treat one another as we would treat our family? Out of all the rhetoric, I hear no purpose. With all the animosity, barbarity, and pure ignorance we are still missing the message of this situation. It's not the fact that the neighbors called the police, that's expected. It's not that the police we're suspicious (although it makes me question would this have even happened if Professor Gates was white). It's the fact that they tricked him into stepping outside of his OWN house, to arrest him, after he proved his identity! If any disorderly conduct was occuring then why on earth come back outside? Racism that's why. Plain and simple. The cop felt as though his man hood was being threatened and just couldn't let it go which was clear in his statement, shortly afterward, to not apologize for any part he took in the incident. Bottom line... it is what it is. Racism is alive and doing quiet peachy, might I add. I am 19-years old and I know this. And I'm sick and tired of people acting as though it doesnt' exist just because Obama is president. It's gotten worst since he has been elected if you ask me. If we are to ever get over this disease that is killing this country, we have to at least, call it for what it is. Now can we please move on to what's truely important?

July 30, 2009
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People misuse or over use the term "racial profiling".  Just because you are a minority and you get stopped or have other contact with police does not mean that you are a victim of racial profiling.  Police stop cars based on probable cause that a violation has been committed.  Police are also allowed to walk up and talk to anyone that is in a public place.  Police officers get paid to be nosey and suspicious. That is how they catch criminals.  I work swing shift and arrive home at a late hour.  I drive an older car an I am often the only car on the road.  I have been pulled over numerous times by the city police for minor violations.  I'm  caucasian and I know my car is being profiled as "out of place" in my neighborhood.  But thank God the cops are out there looking for criminals. 

July 30, 2009
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it turns out officer Crowlys police report was racist! No one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Boston police are racist; they are doing it them self’s

August 3, 2009
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It's time all Americans get the chip off their shoulder, may they be caucasoid, negroid, or mongoloid. We are all humans and the police are just trying to do their duty.

As I heard it, Prof. Gates was the first to mention race.

How was the policeman to know the man was a College professor and how does that make him above the law.?The law is made equally for every one.

August 5, 2009
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I usually don't do this, but some things just force you in certain directions.  I was reading some news stories on CNN.com, and came across one of those things.  To my dread, it has come to this.  A racist, who doesn't know he is a racist, or a racist who thinks he can fool you into believing he's not a racist.  By the way, neither one of the above is a good thing.  The following bullet points are from the "racist" and his lawyer,  taken from the CNN story about a recent well known encounter between a professor and a police officer.

•     A Boston police officer is suing the city after he was suspended for referring to a black Harvard professor as a "banana-eating  jungle monkey" in an e-mail.

•     Barrett ….denied he is a racist.

•     His lawsuit claims his civil rights have been violated’ 

•     Barrett's lawyer said the words referring to Henry Louis Gates, Jr. were misinterpreted….

•     "The choice of words were poor;  but they weren't meant to characterize professor Gates as a banana-eating  jungle monkey," attorney Peter Marano said.

•     "They were meant in a response to behavior and characterizing the behavior. Not the person as a whole."

•      The email was...“sent (as) a mass e-mail to other officers and to the Boston Globe newspaper.

•     Barrett used the "jungle monkey" phrase four times, three times referring to Gates and once to the Boston Globe column.”

•     Asked what led him to choose to use such language, he said, "I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I have no idea."

•     He also declared that he was "not a racist but I am prejudice sic toward people who are stupid and pretend to stand up and preach for something they say is freedom but it is merely attention because you do not get enough of it in your little fear-dwelling circle of on-the-bandwagon followers."

 

As I said in my opening, “a racist, who doesn't know he is a racist, or a racist who thinks he can fool you into believing he's not a racist."  Reallynot a good thing. 

 

Three pieces of advice to “the racist” and any other racists’ out there, who don’t want people to think they are racist if they happen to use the phrase “banana-eating  jungle monkey.” 

 

1.     Don’t refer in any way to a black person as a “banana-eating  jungle monkey.”

2.     If somehow you say or email the phrase “banana-eating  jungle monkey” about a black person,  just say you are sorry, it was a stupid thing to say, and though you have used that phrase in the past, you will work extra hard, not to use it in the future. 

3.     And my favorite, just admit you are a racist, because based on what you did and said, you are a racist and are too stupid to try fool anyone into believing you are anything but what you are.

 

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