Thursday, August 27, 2009
Head-to-head on health care debate


When it comes to your video commentaries, there's nothing we love better than a thoughtful argument and healthy debate. That's why we were thrilled when, after GSandeen posted this take on health care, EWillies1961 posted an equally strong argument in response.

 

GSandeen, a 21-year-old living in Santa Clarita, California, believes that America cannot afford a government-run health care program. Fixing the high cost of doctor visits and medication is simple, he argues: "Get the government out of health care."

But EWillies1961 disagrees. "Health care reform is a must," he explains. EWillies1961, a Kingwood, Texas, resident, says a public health care option will help to keep insurance companies "in check" and keep costs low.

The health care debate is a complicated issue and there are a lot of viewpoints out there. What do you think? You can sound off here. And if you want to learn more about health care in America, check out this special on CNN.com.

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August 27, 2009
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Why not a MEDICARE HEALTH PLAN FOR EVERYONE?      

          Get the facts behind the news?

   DOES A SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE PLAN MERIT 

            YOUR CONSIDERATION?

Would a single-payer Healthcare Plan similar to Medicare make sense for every one in the US?  Remember MEDICARE is the best liked, most efficient, and least costly health plan we have.

Ms. Olive Johnson of Vancouver, Canada recently sent a letter to the Chicago Tribune entitled, “Gov’t-funded care”.

“I am writing from Canada because of my interest in the current debate about healthcare in the US.  I think Americans would want to know how other countries handle healthcare coverage.

These are the facts about health care coverage in Canada.

1)Gov’t-funded health care is available to everyone.  People are free to choose the doctor they want.

2)Individuals pay a modest amount for government-funded health-care(approximately $50 per month), which covers all of their doctor visits, hospital procedures(including surgeries) and laboratory tests.

3)Drugs for those over 65 are paid for, in part or in full, by the Gov’t.  The amount paid is dependent on one’s income.

4)People younger than 65 may have their drugs paid for by their employers.  Otherwise they can pay into a private insurance scheme to cover the cost of their drugs.

5)Contrary to rumors about long waiting lists in Canada most people are able to see a doctor without delay.    The exception to this in rural areas where there are too few doctors.  Medical specialists may also have waiting lists.

I can assure you that in Canada  gov’t-funded health care is very popular.  ALMOSTS ALL OF THOSE WHO DENIGRATE OUR PUBLIC HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO STAND TO PROFIT FROM ITS DEMISE.  I URGE AMERICANS NOT TO BE FOOLED INTO ACCEPTING PRIVATE, FOR PROFIT HEALTH CARE, WHICH IS BOTH MORE EXPENSIVE AND LESS EFFICIENT THAN GOV’T-FUNDED CARE.

 

August 27, 2009

Thank God a breath of fresh air.  Canadians are both shocked and disgusted at the outright lying about their health care system, by those who hope to gain from the present system in the States.

August 27, 2009
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TOTALLY AGREE WITH IDIOGENES,

MY WIFE AND I HAVE HAD FIRST HAND CONTACT WITH THE CANADIAN EMERGENCY HOSPITAL SYSTEM IN NANAIMO CANADA, AND IN DENMARK AND NORWAY.  THEIR FACILITIES ARE WELL STAFFED AND HAVE STATE OF THE ART EQUIPMENT.  THEY ARE EFFICIENT, THERE IS A MINIMAL "CHECKING IN" PROCESS AND THERE IS NO WAITING.  TO EVALUATE THE COMMENTS OF ALL THE CRITICS OUT THERE, ONE HAS TO ASK..."WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THEIR INFORMATION?" AND "WHAT DO THEY GAIN BY DELIBERATE DISTORTION OF KNOWN FACTS"

August 27, 2009
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How I wish people could consider the consequences the for millions of children and others who fall in the cracks of the existing "health care" system.  If you are poor enough or well off enough you are usually better off than if you are one of the working poor.  My family never had a penny left for health care after paying for housing and basic necessities (and not always enough for food).  So they never took us to the doctor or the dentist.  I quietly suffered through many toothaches as a child because I knew my parents couldn't pay for care.  I never made it to a dentist until I was 25 and finally had a job that would cover some dental expenses. Now at 57, I have had to deal with the years of neglect with expensive treatments and replacements of missing teeth.  And you know what, most of that money still came out of my pocket and I consider myself lucky to have had a large enough income to cover it.  I wouldn't wish the pain and ill health I endured as a child of "working poor" parents on anyone.  The people who are against this plan are listening to lies spread by those who will continue to profit under the current state of health care in America.  Don't fall for it!

August 27, 2009
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I do wish the focus of the conversation were more on what we all agree on: medical costs are simply too high, and too many people are not getting enough care. If only we could be clear about what is what: costs are one thing. Caring for the poor is another. We don't need one catch-all/ cure-all.

 

COSTS: We have a system that is far from opaque, and with so much cost-shifting going on (from employee to employer, from the uninsured to the insured; medicare to the insured; ER visits to other hospital services, etc...), it is hard for the doctors and hospitals themselves to explain what the cost of their services will be, let alone for the consumer to know how to make sensible choices. Here are my thoughts on how we can adequately tackle this:

 

1)The health exchange. Let us buy the policies we need, with only the coverage we need, and let us buy them across state-lines. My state has so many regulations, only 3 insurers cover the entire individual market. So I must pay for chiropractic care that perhaps I don't want or need (likely b/c chiropractors lobbied for it at the state level). And I can't shop elsewhere if those insurers keep raising my premiums without explanation. In other words, while we could argue till the cows come home about a single-payer (universal) system, maybe we could agree that what we really need is ONE system of regulation-- on a federal/ intra-state level, no plan can go without covering these minimum requirements. The rest is up to the consumer and the insurance agencies... a smorgasboard, if you will. Get the states out of the business of regulation and the lobbyists that come with it. Get a national health insurance exchange up and running so we can shop across state lines and free up competition.

 

2)End employer-based healthcare. For anyone facing a serious illness, the likelihood of losing your job is pretty great. Cobra payments would likely gobble up more than half of what you could get from social security. People not owning their own healthcare and making sensible choices early on about coverage puts them at grave risk.

 

THE POOR

1) Expand Medicare/Medicaid to cover the poor. The poor need to end up on someone's books... let's take the burden off hospitals and those who can afford insurance and just face up to the cost of our societal burden. Perhaps we can focus more funds on better preventative care and save societal money in the end, while doing better at taking care of our most vulnerable.

 

2) Last, I am not against a public option. But as long as states and a few big insurance companies have a stranglehold on competition, the insurance companies profit margins will remain fat, wise consumers won't have the desired effect of trimming costs/ forcing better outcomes, and those who are struggling to afford insurance just won't buy it. Let's make the whole system a little more nimble, and have the public option be yet another competitor to a robust market. People will find that the government doesn't provide for them like a more savvy, private company would, and only those who have no other option would choose it. But something is better than nothing, and this way we can require every American citizen to have their own insurance. No one can slip through the cracks, and no one entity will have to bear the responsibility/cost of making sure they don't. Again, this way we can societally encourage preventative care among those on the economic edges... (those most likely to have health issues such as smoking addiction, obesity, diabetes), and the benefits will be reaped by everyone.

 

The fact of the matter that we must all face is that whether you know it or not, you're already footing the bill for our healthcare problems. If you aren't, your employer is. Your job is likely at risk, or could be soon with the astronomical rise of premium costs. Maybe you're working more than ever before as they eek out the productivity of the few workers they can afford. Meanwhile, your state is paying for all the disqualified people with severe health issues. Your hospital is paying for all the ER visits of the uninsured, and next time you have a baby or a minor surgery, you will be appalled at how much your 20% copay amounts to... nor will they itemize the costs for you because they don't know, from year to year, what their services will cost, depending on how many uninsured they service at the ER. And meanwhile, people are dying from lack of care. So yes, let's stop bickering. But let's get serious about fixing things... not just applying bandaids that "seem" like they'll take care of the problem. Think, and act, carefully!

 

August 27, 2009
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What I don't get is why everyone seems concerned with their lives, their heathcare, their money, their concerns, only themselves? What happened to the mind-set that we're all in this together, and we need to make sure everyone is taken care of? Not just seniors with Medicare and Medicade, or children with S-Chip. Everyone!

 

I ask those who say no to universal health care, where would our society be without education? Public Education. No, it's not a crazy question.

 

Public education is funded through Property Taxes, which everyone pays with their mortgage or as a portion of their rent. Sure, there are private schools, but if families send their kids to private school they still pay for public education. Everyone pays, but only some  benefit.

 

My wife and I don't have children, and are past the age. Let me ask those who don't think they should pay for universal healthcare, why should I pay for your kids education? What am I doing? Given your concerns, I have no business paying to educate your children. Maybe I should go to a town hall meeting and start shouting like some 6-year old? That's what's happening, and we all see it on the news every night!

 

The point is, an educated society is important to all of us, but no more important than a healthy society with equal access to medical services. Think!

 

 

August 27, 2009
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The last thing this country needs is to infect our healthcare with the government ruination virus...

 

The govt needs to stick to DEFENSE, Law of the Land, and education. And Defense is the only thing Govt is really good at.

 

August 27, 2009
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I am a resident physician in Emergency Medicine. I have worked at two county hospitals where many of our patients have no insurance. Many of the patients in these hospitals, my guess is as much as 10-20%, are only in the hospital because there is no funding to send them to a more appropriate facility, such as a skilled nursing facility or a rehab center. Hence, they stay in the most expensive place possible, the hospital, drawing thousands of dollars out of the health care system daily. Many of those fighting against health care reform who don’t want to pay for the health care of less fortunate people must not realize 2 things: 1) They are already paying for the health care of the uninsured, 2) They could be paying a lot less money for more appropriate health care if everyone had some baseline insurance. Another important part of this debate is preventative medicine. If many uninsured patients could just see a doctor once or twice a year and get cheap medications for their chronic illnesses such as hypertension and diabetes, we could avoid extremely expensive health care bills down the line. Seeing a physician once or twice a year and getting hypertension medications is very cheap. Treating a patient who had uncontrolled hypertension for 15-20 years and now has kidney failure is extremely expensive you talk about kidney transplants, dialysis, and other expensive medications warranted in this situation. Having preventative medicine for everyone would save a lot of money, not to mention the humanitarian aspects to these issues.

August 27, 2009
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Kayleigh and Doctor Jake, I usually have a lot to say on this subject, but you and several others have made so many right-on-target, thoughtful comments that I am taking the night off. (I'll be back, though!)  Kay, I completely agree that we need to stop the scare tactics and partisan bickering and talk about the facts and how we can close up the vast holes in the "safety net" of the American health care system. No matter what your political party, your future could depend on it.

August 27, 2009
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Thank you for the kind words, Alisonv :D

August 27, 2009
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Obama wants TOTAL GOVT CONTROL eventually - NOT Competition. End of story, proven time after time in his own words. There's a fact for you.

 

Fact - we have the best healthcare in the world. It needs revised, but it doesn't need GOVT TAKEOVER. And that's EXACTLY what he's out to do.

 

NO THANKS! The only "Bickering" is coming from democrats who are in disbelief that we're not going to let them shove the takeover down our throats - like the stimulus, like the bank fiasco, like the automobile garbage, like virtually everything they shoved immediately... before the masses caught on.

 

No land grab for them anymore, OUT in 4 years, hopefully less!

 

 

August 28, 2009
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Single Payer option will have another beneficial effect of lessening lawsuits. As a teacher, i've seen how ridiculous it is for organizations & institutions to protect themselves from liability. If an accident happens and someone has a large doctor bill, what else are they going to do but sue? If people are covered, the injury is a bad enough consequence but usually people recover & move on. Maybe the House & Senate have a hard time considering Single Payer (Public Option) because it would put so many middleman out of business(Insurance Companies & Lawyers). Trust me, we can establish more meaningful work than that of breeding ill-content via lawsuits and making relationships throughout the public sector more rigidly overly protective via insurance clauses. This truly is a fabric of society issue that would help so many people in so many ways. Vote Single Payer or a robust Public Option so we can start getting our society back on the mend.

August 28, 2009
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Audiogeru has it right. As a society, we've become selfish and blinded to the reality that we're all in this together. Cufulloit, on the other hand, hangs on the outer rim of society, screaming in fear because he thinks that he owes nothing to society and he's afraid that he might have to make a real contribution to his fell citizens. (Well, maybe society did fail to educate him, but he should take some responsibility for that.) His foolish belief that "We're Number One" in health care WAS once true. No longer. You need to do your research, bud. We've slipped behind every industrialized country, those that have universal health care. Medicare proves that a single-payer system is the most effective, both in terms of controlling costs and in providing good health outcomes.

August 28, 2009
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The health of the nation is the nations business

A proposed model for national health care

1)     Universal Health Care with a single payer structured as an extension of the Medicare program, abolishing Medicaid.  Such care should be affordable but not free.  A graduated premium (health care tax) linked to taxable income, W2, Social Security or overall financial status should be set.  Wealthy taxpayers should expect to pay more.  Poor people may not pay at all.  Working people could have their premium withheld from their regular paycheck, as part of the social security withholding.  Participation in the program would be optional but within set parameters as with Medicare participation.  Choice of physician, hospital, etc. would be determined by the individual.

2) Physicians would be allowed a defined period to opt into or stay out of the program.  Patient and physician participation would be strictly voluntary.

3) Undergraduate and graduate medical education should be subsidized to an appreciable extent, depending on financial status and wish of the student.  (Presently, a graduating medical student has an educational debt of over $ 200,000.00).  In return, graduating physicians would be obligated to serve one to two years in national service.  For graduate medical students, such time and service could be structured to count as time spent in specialty training.

4) Pharmaceutical companies should have to compete on a global basis for providing drugs to patients in the program. The health care agency would have the right to negotiate internationally for lowest prices.

5) Medical liability must be brought under control for the system to work.  Since participating physicians would in effect be government employees, they should be entitled to protection from excessive litigation and judgments, as other federal employees.

6) Private insurance companies would have only a marginal role in the system, for those who could afford it, and want it. Call it designer health insurance. (Presently a family of four pays up to $14,500.00 for health care insurance).  Programs such as “Medicare HMO’s”, Advantage Medicare, etc would not be acceptable in the program.

                                   Dr. Chris

 

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August 28, 2009
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Thanks for this blog and possibility from CNN to post our ideas. Thanks for both iReporter to bring this up. Since several month I'm posting and try to bring some ideas  for people, they are not seeing the big picture. I'm fighting against the ridicules lies and wrong information. I never saw before, that Citizen are fighting against their own benefits. Some statement "I want the government  out of my life" - We are the government, better we then the companies. "I don't want to have the government between me and my doctor" The trues is, we  already have the insurance companies between.  Normally I'm for an Universal health care like Canada and UK has, but I can life with a public option, like in Germany. I'm a German Native and I know the system in Germany very well. I it not 100% perfect, but nobody is without health care and nobody get bankrupt, when they get sick. My husband and I are disabled. I'm a breast cancer survivor, with osteoporosis and herniate disc. My husband is diabetic and has already an amputation on his food. We filed for bankruptcy and lost our company. We have no health insurance and can not afford a doctor our followups. We have Medicaid share of cost, with a  share of cost about 2000.- each month. It is only working for an emergency. We have to wait till something is getting very worse and then we go in an ER. Only for this month we have straight Medicaid. The cost of one visit in an ER would cover our medical need for a whole year. We have to much income for Medicaid and are not old enough to get Medicare. We could get Medicare because we are disabled (after unbelievable 2 years waiting time), but we get punished due to the fact that we are receiving our SS from Germany. I would not have a problems to pay app. 90.- for Medicare part B to get health care.

I'm against a free market for health care, Nobody should make money with humans life and health and our Citizen must have the right to get affordable health care like Roosevelt try to get it with the second bill oft rights over 60 years ago.

All Citizen, they are against a public option, should close there eye and try to stand in the shoes of sick people.

Without an public option we will never get a honesty private insurance business. They have had the time over decades, why they should do it now?

August 28, 2009
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The one of the major problems we have with this health care dabate is that we are not debating the right questions.  Unlike many other debates that we are facing as a nation this is a black and white issue (and I dont mean it racially).  We either go all the way and nationalize it like all industrialized countries has done or we completely get out of it.  A hybrid system like we have right now does not work.  We either nationalize it and let the government control the prices that way or we get out of it completely (no medicare, no medicaid, etc) and let the market forces dictate the prices.  If we as a society engage on a task that requires so much resouces we need to benefits the many not the few.  Right now our system is setup to benefit the few, and leaving out the many.  We need to think should we treat health care as part of society infracture like highways, dams, canals,bridges, etc; where everybody benefits from it and everybody pays for it.  Or we get the government completely out of the healh care business and let the market forces set the prices.  Once we as a society answer that question, we will be able to move forward with health care reform.  Hybrids systems like we have right now, where government involment is limited do not work in gringin down the hearlth care cost and that is what has been proposed.  The reason this hybrid health care system will not work in bringing down the cost of health care in our nation is because: Health Care in this nation is a business, and businesses are in business to make money!  The way it should be, and they will milk the government dry as long as we let them.  And there aint much milk left in that tit.  Once we answer as a society which road are we going to take to health care reform the rest of the pieces will fall into place.  But one thing we must not do is to keep the hybrid health care system in place.  

August 28, 2009
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ASUBO above desires a universal health care system.Ii propose the following for his concideration

 

The health of the nation is the nations business

A proposed model for national health care

1)     Universal Health Care with a single payer structured as an extension of the Medicare program, abolishing Medicaid.  Such care should be affordable but not free.  A graduated premium (health care tax) linked to taxable income, W2, Social Security or overall financial status should be set.  Wealthy taxpayers should expect to pay more.  Poor people may not pay at all.  Working people could have their premium withheld from their regular paycheck, as part of the social security withholding.  Participation in the program would be optional but within set parameters as with Medicare participation.  Choice of physician, hospital, etc. would be determined by the individual.

2) Physicians would be allowed a defined period to opt into or stay out of the program.  Patient and physician participation would be strictly voluntary.

3) Undergraduate and graduate medical education should be subsidized to an appreciable extent, depending on financial status and wish of the student.  (Presently, a graduating medical student has an educational debt of over $ 200,000.00).  In return, graduating physicians would be obligated to serve one to two years in national service.  For graduate medical students, such time and service could be structured to count as time spent in specialty training.

4) Pharmaceutical companies should have to compete on a global basis for providing drugs to patients in the program. The health care agency would have the right to negotiate internationally for lowest prices.

5) Medical liability must be brought under control for the system to work.  Since participating physicians would in effect be government employees, they should be entitled to protection from excessive litigation and judgments, as other federal employees.  National Diagnostic/Therapeutic standards can also be established by the medical academic profession.A physician adhering to these standards is presumed to have provided appropriate care.  This would shift the burden of proof to the suing lawyer.  The physician would not automatically become the “defendant” in a suit

6) Private insurance companies would have only a marginal role in the system, for those who could afford it, and want it. Call it designer health insurance. (Presently a family of four pays up to $14,500.00 for health care insurance).  Programs such as “Medicare HMO’s”, Advantage Medicare, etc would not be acceptable in the program.

                                   Dr. Chris

 

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August 29, 2009
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Hi, Folks, Be sure and pay your insurance premiums. The insurance companies need it to bribe the republicans in congress so they will kill any health care reform.  They have already given the republican congress members almost 20 million dollars so that no health care bill will be passed. Give them enough money and they will tell any lie they think will work like that great line (they are going to kill Grandma). If the republicans are able to kill health care, All Americans will be the losers.

and                                                         Guess what? Those death panels the republicans are talking about on the TV are real and your favorite republican senator is doing his best to make sure they are with us for a long time.  All the bribe money given to republican senators to kill Health Care will insure that the insurance company Death Panels will be going strong. Their Phony Excuses for denying Health care to people with paid up insurance are killing people every day (PRE- EXISTING COUNITIONS)  their favorite excuse for denying Health Care coverage kills thousands of people every year. We found the Death Panel  you were talking about,  Sarah

Redfield, S.D.    Jack Kemp 

                               

 

August 29, 2009
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AGREE WITH MECRACKER.  PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE SOME DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ALSO ON THE "CONTRIBUTION LIST" OF THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY WHO ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO SAND BAG HEALTH CARE REFORM.  CHECK OUT THE ONES IN YOUR STATE AND GIVE THEM A CALL

August 30, 2009
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We will be providing FREE Medical, Vision and Dental care for the uninsured, underinsured unemployed, and those who cannot afford to pay!

We are bringing this event to South Florida! HEALTH CARE CRISIS IN 3 MINUTES ON UTUBE! @ www.unitedcancerfoundation.org

August 30, 2009
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unitedcancer - It will be a very big event for our state Florida. As a breast cancer survivor, I really appreciate it, but I would not be able to go there.

September 2, 2009
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September 3, 2009
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Going to have to agree with the first comment.

September 4, 2009
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being canadian and living in the most governement-implicated provinces of Canada (a.k.a. Quebec), I have to say that I've seen alot of reports on the townhall meetings concerning the new healthcare system and I can say that alot of us (canadians, europeans, etc.) are probably laughing at the citizens who oppose this healthcare system. "becoming Russia", "afraid of socialism" sound like ignorant thoughts and thoughts that have grown so old. sure, you'll be paying more taxes but for some reason we (again, canadians, europeans, etc.) seem to be living happier, safer, more harmonious lives because of the services that are offered (which are paid with our tax money). I know that some of you out there share the same thought as me (and I must congradulate you for being open-minded and not so individualistic) but I still feel the need to mention: WAKE UP AMERICA!

September 5, 2009

A REGISTERED NURSE'S VIEW:

 

I am A Registered Nurse and proud American, In my career I have also provided health care as a military Officer and I am currently working overseas in a country with national health care (Australia).

I can tell you from first hand experience, it works, works well, and keeps costs down. The stories you hear about the Govt intefering in health care decisions is absolute BS. Simply not true to any degree. Every person in the country gets high quality, modern, hospital care when needed,end of story. No out of pocket..period. There are also private hospitals if you so desire, and private health insurance that compete with the Govt system. National health care DOES NOT force them out of business. That is yet another lie the right is propagating. The cost?? a 1.5% tax on the first 100K of your income. So to do the math for the simple minded..If you earn 50K a year your cost is $750.00. yep thats all. Now ask yourself what private insurance is costing you now??

Now to bust another right wing lie, imported are just as good as USA made drugs, they only cost far less. I have given thousands and thousands of doses of drugs made in Italy , India, and other countries while here and guees what?? NO BAD EFFECTS. They are every bit as safe and effective.

I see the news from back home and am embarassed by the ignorance and fear of my fellow citizens, Govt death panels?? get a brain!!! Who is selling these lies to you?? The same liars who told you Iraq had WMDS. The drug addict on the radio, the congressman impeached for corruption, and a new comer wackjob who can "see Russian from their house". My fellow Americans..wake up and smell the coffee. Are these people getting money from HMO's and Insurance compaanies who don't want compettion??

The only death panels I hear of, are the ones run by greedy corrupt insurance comapnies who cancel and deny denifits for those who have legitimate claims.

September 8, 2009
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manwhothinks you are absolutely right.  My wife's family lives in Italy where they have excellent gov't healthcare.  I know this because I visited my mother in law twice when she spent a year in the hospital from a brain hemmorage.  Anyone with their head screwed on straight would know that the insurance industry is out of control and have created a fixed pricing monopoly market.  There is absolutely no reason insurance costs should increase 80% year to year.  It is unbeleivable how ignorant many Americans are.

September 9, 2009
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I believe that the Congress should pass the health care reform and it would benefit everyone in some kind of way. People are suffering and need affordable healthcare and they need to get together and get everything done to get a meaningful solution. There is much confusion and there needs to be more done with this debate. The longer the wait for this the more difficult it will get in the long run. It makes more sense to build on something that works then start all over from the beginning just like the President said.

September 10, 2009
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I believe the health care bill should pass.i am a possitive example, my out of pocket right now is $6000/yr before my employee pay a cent towards my health care. I only earn $12/hr.can anyone survive on this and pay health care insurance at the same time. Listen, people who feels it knows it and there are many American like myself who are facing hard times and need help, and that is what the president is trying to do.

my only issues with the president is.Why didn't he spend the same amount of time and effort on helping struggeling home owners to save their homes. I am very dissapointed with him on this front.You can't just help people who have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac customers. What about the rest of us?.

September 12, 2009
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Here we go again with extremist blaming dems for bank and auto bail outs, which both parties caused by deregulation and then supported the bail outs. Republicans have fought medicare since the 60s or so calling it social medicine, which is where the communist name calling comes from, straight from the cold war Mcarthyism Red Scare days, we saw how that turned out. I can imagine that if medicare were defeated the health care troubles would be much worse than it is. Seems like opponents to reform are without any compassion what so ever, nor realize the real economic impact of not doing anything. Its pretty obvious costs will continue to rise and more will be uninsured and the problem keep feeding itself.

September 12, 2009
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The wingnuts (Republican Party) is definitely scary.  All of the demonstrations, tea parties, Sarah stories, Rush stories, Wilson outburst, etc. etc. are disgusting and definitely racist moves to discredit our President.  What is it that you Republicans don't understand, Barack Obama won the presidency because he said he wants to resolve many of the Country's problems.  The Republican wingnuts are just setting themselves up for another failure.  Get over it.  You lost because you are all so stupid.

September 12, 2009
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The wingnuts (Republican Party) is definitely scary.  All of the demonstrations, tea parties, Sarah stories, Rush stories, Wilson outburst, etc. etc. are disgusting and definitely racist moves to discredit our President.  What is it that you Republicans don't understand, Barack Obama won the presidency because he said he wants to resolve many of the Country's problems.  The Republican wingnuts are just setting themselves up for another failure.  Get over it.  You lost because you are all so stupid.

September 15, 2009
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Other countries insure ALL their citizens for half the cost that American's spend on healthcare?

 

How can this be?

 

Look for answers by analyzing other country's healthcare systems...

September 17, 2009
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WHAT EVER...

 

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE MADE ARE THOSE

CAN'T GET PAID FOR RIPPING OFF HONEST PEOPLE

ANYMORE...THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND BANKS ARE JUST ALIKE...THEY TAKE AND TAKE UNTIL THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE..PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY THINK..IF YOU GET SICK OR HURT AND CANT WORK ANYMORE ...WHERE IS YOUR HEALTH CARE GOING TO COME FROM ...MANY PEOPLE HAVE MEDICADE, MEDICARE AND INSURANCE...WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO CANT AFFORD THE TREATMENT FOR THEIR KIDS THAT HAVE CANCER OR ETC..WE ALL COMPLAIN UNTIL TROUBLE HITS HOME....SO SHUT UP AND LET HE MAN DO HIS JOB....

 

March 6, 2010
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The health care debate is definitely a complicated issue. I am not too sure who i support as it's hard to foresee all the issues. PC
March 16, 2010
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