Thursday, February 18, 2010
Austin attack stuns community

 

Black billowing plumes of thick smoke rose from a building in the tech sector of Austin, Texas, as many commuters were heading to work this morning. A man harboring a grudge against the IRS had crashed a small plane into a building housing an IRS office. iReporters became CNN’s eyes, showing us dramatic images of the fire and telling us what was happening on the ground.

 

"It was pretty frightening at the time, but the whole building just shook violently. It felt like a bomb hit it,” says iReporter Ray Cano, who works in the building. “Everyone was running down the stairwell as fast as they could.”

 

Nearby, Ryan Hayes and his wife were driving along the highway when they noticed traffic was bottlenecking as cars passed the crash site. He happens to carry a camera with him in his car. He couldn’t believe that such a small plane could cause so much destruction.

 

In another neighborhood, a house that had been ablaze earlier in the morning became a piece of the puzzle. The pilot had lit his home on fire and left a suicide note before taking off in the plane.

 

Sherri Stepan lives two streets over from the pilot in the Scofield Farms subdivision. She says she didn't realize the burning house was connected until she heard about the plane crash on the news.

 

"It's a sad day for Austin. It's a sad day for my neighborhood too. This affects many people, and also that family," she said.

222 Comments
February 18, 2010
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Joe Stack is right on... We the people need to rise up.

At what point do we say enough is enough.

Only violence gave us freedom from the Brits, and only violence will restore order in Washington.

February 18, 2010
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It's indeed A sad day for austin and an eye opener for the

i.r.s!!!  now people are really reacting to tax injustice.

it's fact that the masses (not the rich) are penalize

and lower income taxes are being taken. the i.r.s. has

been debated my orginizations lexington law firm

(freedom tax law school) exposed the wrongs of the i.r.s. now people are desperate and fed up.

February 18, 2010
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Please, Rick Sanchez & Wolf Blitzer, don't immediately look for ways to take away the freedoms of private pilots. Sometimes, if you want to live in the "Land of the Free", there is just no solution to all problems. You can fill your SUV with cans of gasoline and incendiary devices and then drive it full speed into a crowded fast food restaurant, probably killing many. Should we ban gasoline sales? SUV driving near crowds? Make the speed limit 10MPH? Get my point??? Don't sensationalize a story by adding controversy where it doesn't belong. Thanks! 

February 19, 2010
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Cheney made an off wall comment about Obama as a one term president in A sly association with the Austin IRS event. However, Cheney neglected mentioned that Joseph Stack problems began as farback as 1986 which includes an administration that HE (Cheney) helped bolster. Therefore, this event in more a reflection his compaigning/politicing to keep a job tham Obama's plan fix the problems. America is not just a source of employment as it appears to be to Cheney it is "HOME".   Is America "HOME" for Cheney or "JUST A JOB?

February 19, 2010
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Exactly how is a plane diliberately flying into a building NOT an act of terrorism??

February 19, 2010
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Very sad!!!

February 19, 2010
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Over the past few weeks, Prophet TB Joshua has read LIVE to the world some of the prophecies that God has revealed to him for the year 2010, and one by one, they are coming to pass.

 

Prophet TB Joshua prophesied that an ex- President of a great nation would be taken to hospital for a surgical operation. On Thursday 11th February, 2010, IT HAPPENED! Former President Bill Clinton was rushed to Hospital and underwent a surgical operation. 

 

Prophet TB Joshua also gave a prophetic message about a coup in one of the French speaking African countries, and an assassination attempt on her leader. On Thursday 18th February 2010, IT HAPPENED!!! Soldiers stormed the Presidential Palace, captured the President and Cabinet Ministers and seized power in a violent coup in the French speaking republic of Niger.

 

Prophet TB Joshua revealed a prophetic warning for the USA, saying that America should be security conscious particularly in a gathering of people and should take care of their air space. Referring to President Obama as "Big Brother", Prophet TB Joshua gave a call to pray for the US President and warned the USA to take more cognizance of internal security 'til March. Again on Thursday 18th February 2010, IT HAPPENED!!!

 

US citizen pilot and software engineer, Joseph Stack committed suicide by deliberately crashing his plane into an IRS office building in Austin, Texas, USA in a violent protest against the US Government tax and legal systems. In his suicide note, posted on the Internet, Stack ranted against the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) and against President Obama, referring to him as “Big Brother”.

“I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at "big brother" while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough…Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.”

After the incident, internal security was heightened as the North American Aerospace Defense Command launched two F-16 aircraft from Houston's Ellington Field, and conducted an air patrol over the crash area.

On the same day, United Airlines Flight 741 with 193 passengers on board that took off from Denver, Colorado, USA was diverted and had to make an emergency landing at Salt Lake City International Airport after a bomb scare, when a note was discovered with a bomb threat.

 

February 19, 2010
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I was born and raised in Austin and live there now.  The only problem with Austin is that it is surrounded by Texas, but this incident does not surprise me.  There are a bunch of crackpots in the state ... just look at all of the Tea Baggers in the area.

February 19, 2010
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People like BBfisher1 scare me.

February 19, 2010
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Now people like Glen Beck and Sarah Palin can see the consequence of the hate they stew non stop from TV and radio. They should take full responsibility for motivating and giving political cover for terrorist like Joseph Stack and timothy McVeigh. They are no different than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in such as they justify the killing of innocent Americans just going to work in effort to support their family. This attack on working Americans is sad, and should be condemned at all levels.

February 19, 2010
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If you attack or kill an innocent civilian because of any political discomfort, it is considered as an act of terrorism. Stack's incident fits this perfectly. The same thing with the 9-11 terrorists. Violence is never the answer. Peace is the best solution.

February 19, 2010
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Why can't liberals call this what it is!? Terrorism.

February 19, 2010
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xfloridax I totally agree, idiots like beck and palin should be banned from the airwaves of television and radio.

February 19, 2010
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Oh in case you disagree with me, you may wonder if I am part of the Muslim family or from Middle East. I am the white guy and Roman Catholic living in Atlanta, Georgia. Trying to be realistic and fair to everyone in the world.

February 19, 2010
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nra4ever The reason they don't call it terrorism because it's not a Muslim or any other foreigner committing the act; domestic terrorism it is, but if that word gets thrown around many individuals will be led to believe that religion was the main factor for the action.

February 19, 2010
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BBfisher1.. I had a prophecies this morning... then flushed.  What a clown!  How bout predicting the Lotto numbers ass clown!

February 19, 2010
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Joe Stack is a hero. Revolution and violence is the Only way to change things.

February 19, 2010
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Many things he wrote in that letter, I have felt myself.

 

He made a stand.  I think many more will in the future.

 

There are so many people that are reaching a breaking point.  Lost home, lost car, lost job.. stress leading to divorce.  We are falling apart as a country and deep down many folks know it.  I get pissed off everytime I think about the BAILOUT...  I could have used a bailout a time or two myself.

 

My hats off to him for taking a stand.

 

 

February 19, 2010
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Hi there bgyako, and weclcome to the Watch List.

 

BBFisher:  one word.  THERAPY. (and thorazine)

 

And for those who keep pointing the finger at the rich vs. poor aspect of the taxation issue:  The income tax as we know it did not exist proir to WW II, except as a means of funding the war effort.  It was done for a time during WW I, and then stopped after.  WE THE PEOPLE, bought into the Robin Hood idea that this Income Tax thing was the way of leveling the playing field, of getting the money out of the hands of the rich and back into the hands of the less-privileged.  So, if it was such a good idea, why are we still having the same complaints fifty years after the fact?  Have any of you bothered to ask if it's a good idea to tax INCOME instead of SPENDING?  Hmmmm.  Maybe if you start asking the right questions, and quit parroting what you'vwe heard 'everyone else' say, and learn to think for yourselves, maybe, just maybe, we, as a nation, will stumble on the right answer....

February 19, 2010
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Am a bit shocked at the number of people praising Joe Stack for finally standing up.  This guy killed himself and possibly others and destroyed millions of dollars of property.  This is not the way to stand up and this is not organized resistance, which is the way America was born.  Revolution was a last, organized attempt at breaking free from tyranny and setup this nation as a Democracy.  If you want to kill yourself because you can't take it, that it your call, but please DO NOT take anyone, especially innocent people with you!

February 19, 2010
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BBfisher just leave unless your going to talk about real issuses here instead of your crazy theory. I do think this is an eyeopener for the U.S. and that some privliges of privet pilots need to be taken away but also we need to help the ones in this county who are in need instead of just takeing away everything they own when they cant pay bills

February 19, 2010
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HoustonHoney, it's the intent that defines it.  This was an act of revenge against a specific organization.  I'm sure they view it as terrorism, but terrorism as we've come to know it has an intent to spread general fear, as in the long term effects of the 9/11 attacks.

February 19, 2010
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very sad

February 19, 2010
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I find it very sad that everything about this act of domestic terrorism has been turned into such a political debat.  That building may have been an IRS building, and there definitly is problems with the system, but since when are those problems the fault of the average everyday office worker.  Most of the people working in that building were just like all of us - struggling to make a living and survive.  Most of them have no more say on rules, regulations and procedures then I do.  They go to work each day for a paycheck to keep their families going.

 

No one has the right to take their frustrations, anger and demons out on people who are innocent of anything other then trying to survive.  Should people working for mortgage companies or banks now worry about someone whose home was fore closed on flying a plane into their office, should every person working in an insurance office have to nervously look out their office windows each day.

 

Whether it is a plane, a bomb or a gun it is a criminal act and none of us have the moral or legal right to take the lives of our fellow workers just because they found a job working for a government agency or company that we have a beef with.

 

It is more then sad to read people cheering on this man's act.  People who congratulate his actions and hope that more follow in his footsteps are the ones that are truely pulling our country down.  They endanger us even more then the actions of our highly questionable political leaders.

February 19, 2010
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-Fire AND a plane crashed into it, glad to see it held up better than Tower 7.

February 19, 2010
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The recent loss of life and properity in Austin,Tx. should open our eyes to the fact that some people need more help and understanding before it is too late for them.

We know that killing people, destroying things and further frustrating people who already have their share of financial, social and religious can never be a good solution for change the IRS.

We share your loss.

May God bless Austin,Tx.

February 19, 2010
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i got a few things to say, the people who always point the finger at bush and chaney for everything..get over it, its been over a year..this is obamas administration not the bushs....

February 19, 2010
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this is one of those acts that we cant avoid, its very said but its reality...theres no way that either administration could of stopped it, you cant read peoples minds on what they might do

February 19, 2010
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To those uneducated people such as bgyako. Have you read American history? Do you really know WHY we rose up against the British? Taxes were only a part of the equation. The British were also forcibly drafting colonists into the British military in their war against France. When was the last time your neighbor or relative was grabbed from their home and forced into the US military? The British were also forcing the colonists to house troops in their homes. Has this happened to you? The US constitution specifically prohibits these actions and also allows for us to be taxed. We are able to be taxed because we elect someone to go to DC to represent us.  If you don't like the way the IRS acts, or don't like being taxed then complain to your congressman, that is the way America works. If you don't like it, then you are more than welcome to move somewhere else where they don't have the constitutional protections we enjoy. Never forget that if wingnuts like you try to rise up against this great nation through terrorist acts such as this, then us true American Patriots will stop you. Our nation has problems, every nation does, but to condone the murder of innocent civilians is evil, plain and simple. There are better ways to make changes, such as running for office and actually doing something instead of sitting on your butt watching Fox news all day. Oh, ans read a history book.

February 19, 2010
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My sympathy for Stack's plight ends exactly where the grief of the families of those he killed and the suffering of those he injured begins.

February 19, 2010
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First off, why are private plane owners and their course routes not supervised or charted? Are there no control towers or security in these civilian airports to protect the safety of others? The lack of it created another loophole for one of our own fellow citizens to commit a 'domestic terrorist attack.'

 

Second, I do agree that the idealistic perspective of a perfect government is vanishing and those in power are money grubbing pigs. Most of us are in the classic state of 'the rich is getting richer and poor is getting poorer,' and have experienced the current recession first hand.  Shame on you IRS and the rest of you twisted self-representing agents. The system is screwing those who need help the most: the middle class.

 

Lastly, in his suicide note, Joe Stack mentions the definition of insanity: 'repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different.' He forgot to mention that it's also a derangement of the mind that may cause violent behavior.

 

Aside from Stack's points made in his manifesto- and may I speak for many others- violence is NEVER the answer.

February 19, 2010
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This guy rants on about his financial woes, yet he owns (owned?) an airplane worth between $80,000 and $100,000.

February 19, 2010
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An unusual attempted murder-suicide from a man who has failed in business.  He chose to blame the IRS for his own failures in a small business and a bad economy, an area where many good people have failed, dusted themselves off, and moved on undaunted to try something else.

 

He's not a terrorist, he's just an overgrown child who refused to accept responsibility for his own failures.

 

Taxes are part of the cost of doing business.  They're annoying, sure, but it's nice when you don't have to build your own roads to deliver products.

February 19, 2010
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For those who praised or considered Stack as the hero, does it mean you are agreeing with Al-Qaeda on its violence as well? Scary? Yes, very. Both Muslim and Christian have the same problem on their violence part, for example Jihad, Army of God, KKK, etc.

February 19, 2010
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Look at how retarded Americans are. If it was a Middle Eastern or a Muslim who attacked a governmental building, it would be all over the news and you would be hearing cries from the media that Muslims are terrorist. But now we are praising a terrorist suicide bomber, not because of his anti-government message but because his white. This is an act of terrorism, done by a white American men. Admit it and face the truth.

February 19, 2010
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to everyone who thinks this violence against innocent people is acceptable,shut the hell up

 

this guy obviously had enough money to own his own airplane,so he had enough money to live on. he was poor by no means,and anyone attempting to add a political spin to this or glorify what he did should just shut the hell up and sit down.this is terrorism,not some hero striking out at the government. innocent people died,and this guy is a crybaby who wasnt happy with what he had,his family or his money. he brings shame on what America is,and so does anyone who agrees that this is the way to solve your problems.

February 19, 2010
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I am really confused now after reading some of the postings here! so a low life suicide bomber crashes a plan into a building and becomes an instant hero for some people! if the same guy just happend to be a Muslim, he would be termed as Terrorist?? what's going on here? somebody care to explain?

February 19, 2010
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ask the idiot above you. this is supposedly an "act of terrorism." what the hell is that? dumb people always think when something happens its an act of terrorism, there's no such thing. If anything the government is the terrorist. I'm not agreeing that it should have been done that way. but America is screwing us in the ass and we're letting them. Its time for a change. REVOLUTION!!!

February 19, 2010
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I don't know - his businesses get shut down for owing less than 10,000 in back taxes; there was an accounting error from his wife's taxes. He seemed like a very intelligent man and one who was focused on being self reliant and the master of his own destiny... after reading everyone's take on this seems to me he did fight for his constitutional rights and sought avenues to challenge the establishment through DUE PROCESS ... what I find compelling is that one man cannot go it alone and should such a man be able to convince and inlfuence enough people to see his point of view and inact change well then anyone and everyone will find some fault in his being to discount the credibility of their conviction. We see this today with Health Care, Global Warming Debate, The War On Terror. It all depends on who can spin and own the TRUTH first.

 

Clearly Mr. Stack's frustration began when he mapped out a life plan for himself and each time he seemed to have wind in his sails a new law or act is passed to prohibit him and those just like him to sail on into their own destiny...

 

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

 

Exerpt:

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

• "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

• "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

• "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’

February 19, 2010
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i read all these comments on this and i gotta say  the guy probably did all the talking he could and it feel on deaf ears. look at the time frame in which this has gone on for him....  sometimes you have to fight talking is cleary doing no good and what do  the people think is going to happen when that goes down ......???? duh this is why things are messed up now because the ignorance  of people to think your going to go have a nice long talk with the government and settle your differences ... yeah right come on wake up folks .. althought i think joe should have went a different way about this  too. but hey man its looks as tho he declared war maybe a second civil war is in order here to fix things. i myself have been taken advantage of by state government tn to be exact . violated my constitutional rights and yet no one did squat to help ...... if you guys feel like getting orginized is a better solution why are we not ? see  you can go cry to congress  about  things  and see how far it actually gets you .... it wont so thats out whats left think folks why did we have the war for indepence .....????? if you think the tax building was such a bad thing how will you handle a second civil war? the answere is you wont handle it....i served nine years in the armed forces under clinton and bush . that was when i thought i was fighting for a decent and respecable cause now im not so sure anymore if that was a good thing . brace yourselves folks if our own people are flying planes into buildings it means there is a very serious problem in this country only a blind man cant see that and even he can . what do you go to the government and say ????? you cant tax us anymore  yeah right they will take your home so fast it will make your head spin and people who agree with that type  orginization system are not orginized  they are lead blindly to keep thier homes .my heart goes out to the people injured in this  truely . but i feel its going to take us standing up for ourselves by what ever means we have to do so .you ever hear anyone say they was going to attack before they do ....? no i may not agree with mr joes flying into a building with innocent people in it  . but he did mannage to open some eyes . what should be thought now is when is this going to happen again not if .and the solution to the problem is not get tough on folks the solution is find another way to fix our problems rather than take our freedoms .when it comes down to brass tax here you have to step back and  realisticly look and why this occured  when people say enough isnt that just what that means? now im sure ill get knocked for my  response here and thats fine but here is something you need to take a nice big bite of, reality...... the only thing left to do for orginizing is nothing short of civil war they will listen one day its unfortunate that it will come to this before they do tho. think about it.

February 19, 2010
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BBfischer1, maybe Prophet TB Joshua should pick some lottery numbers!

February 19, 2010
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"Terrorist" or "Desperate Patriot"? These are just lables that depend on your point of view. Calling Americans - or anyone - "retarded", in a generalized statement is in itself narrow minded.

To call this a terrorist act is to make immediate assumptions without knowing the details. Someone who is extremely depressed, for example, who does something like this wouldn't be a terrorist. He would be a mentally ill person who comitted suicide in a horrible way. How far do we take the term "Terrorism" anyway? Since it's definition is a way to gain something through fear, is a bank robbery terrorism? Is a car jacking terrorism? Is a bill collectors threat to repo your car or house terrorism? Is the neighborhood bully who takes your kids lunch money a terrorist too?

I'm frankly sick of the term. It is a generality that is brandished far too often to label things which threaten us in any way.

 

While I most definitely do not agree with Mr. Stack's actions, I can certainly sympathize with the points made in his suicide letter. They are not the ramblings of a lunatic mind. I know many, many people who have similar feelings. We all have to live with paying taxes, etc. and it can and does put a severe strain on small business.

 

I mostly agree that churches should not get a free pass on taxes. Too many times, we have seen this taken advantage of. Religion is a profitable business anyway. Why should the government give them tax exempt status? The current Pew polls suggest that our 18-29 year old generation is now 25% Atheist/Agnostic. If the trend continues, many churches will shut down anyway. In the meantime, the Megachurches are raking in tax-free multimillions per year, shamelessly taking all they can from the faithful.

 

If I didn't have such an honest conscience, I'd start a church myself! Talk about a ride on easy street!

 

Take care.

February 19, 2010
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This is NOT an act of terrorism.  This is an act of violence.  The guy is mad at the government and in a suicidal rage lashes out.  If this was an act of terrorism, any violent act could be called terrorism and it is important to make the distinction. Terrorists USE violence or the threat of violence manipulatively to achieve an objective, usually a political one.  It infers there are others out there with the same objective who are willing to commit a similar horrific act until their goal is met.  Unless there are small plane pilots throughout the country planning similar bombings, this story is no different from the disgruntled spouse who goes to his/her spouse's office and shoots him/her and everyone else.  That is where it ends.

February 19, 2010
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I cannot believe those who support the actions of Joe Stack. This was an act of terrorism at it's best.

As American tax paying citizens we all have the right to due process. This was not his only course of action. If he wanted to kill himself, then he should have done just that. All those people in that IRS building that were traumatized by his actions, not to mention their family members, did nothing to him. He stopped being a "victim" the moment his plane crashed into that building. He was fortunate enough to have a plane, a nice home, while most Americans are struggling to feed their families, pay their mortgage,rent. He was a selfish person that could not see past his trials & tribulations to be thankful for what he still had. His behavior should not celebrated. And for those of you that agree with his actions, remember that the next time your at work, or your wife,daughter,son, etc. Lets hope that people won't make this man a hero, and follow in his footsteps. 

February 19, 2010
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It is easy to understand the response of this man. People are being squeezed from so many directions who would be surprised by it.  Expect more. The temperature is rising.  What I find remarkable is that if you look at the large newspapers around the country, they are not giving it much airtime.  I'm surprised by this.  Most especially in light of the attention that was recently given to the christmas airplane terrorist.  His underwear caught on fire and the airplane was spared but more news was generated over this.  An American flies a plane into an IRS building to protest harsh treatment and it is barely getting attention.  It appears that the newspapers are purposely keeping this low profile.  It is a story that should be receiving a lot more attention than it is getting.  Hard not to believe they all got memos to suppress it.  The last thing the goverment wants is for the American public to be given domestic terrorist ideas about how to challenge the status quo when that job has been basically outsourced to oversea terrorist. I find it quite remarkable that all of the major newspapers have managed to pretty much put a lid on this. If this had  been a foreign terrorist action, you would never hear the end of this.  What does that tell you?

February 19, 2010
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Terrorism is intended to inspire TERROR and destabilize.  This guy was pissed at the IRS and flew a plane into one of their buildings.  Crazed mass murderer would be more like it.  I took some time to read his "manifesto" and I have to say that as a computer scientist and small business owner, i.e. someone who understands his area of work and situation, it sounds to me like this guy made some bad choices along the way.  Don't get me wrong, the US Tax Code and the IRS are designed to squeeze ALL of us dry and make it almost impossible to not break the law, but our industry is one where if you really want to make it, you can.

February 19, 2010
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I hate it because peoples lives were killed, but I do know that the feds can cause you to lose your mind. 

February 19, 2010
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Everyone here has valid points. It is terrorism. It is political. And the government (as an institution) has major flaws. To kill innocent people to prove a point is completely insane. Yes, he did "open people’s eyes", but is it going to fix the incomprehensible tax code, or make the government "care"? Of course not.  But it is going to waste the lives of ordinary people just like him. All of you that agree with his actions would not say that after his plane crashed into your homes.

At the root of his rants is his realization that the government is not here to help HIM, and he ALONE cannot change or influence laws. The government has to manage over 300 MILLION people (probably more as a lot are afraid to talk to the census bureau), and to think that one person can change the way the government functions is not only wrong, it’s dangerous. Imagine if it was that easy to influence laws and regulations? Total chaos.

The IRS is a private company that is in charge of collecting our money through regulations that 99.99 of Americans would not be able to explain. The government is slow to help individuals but is eager to help big business. These are some of the things we should “revolt” against, but not through violence against ourselves!! (I can’t even write that without shaking my head at the stupidity of the act) We need to stand together, create lobbying groups, marches, demonstrations, petitions and through education of ourselves.  We are to blame for the current state of affairs due to the inaction and indifference of the majority of Americans. Complacency is a powerful drug that is holding us back and giving fuel to people who think they are going to be heroes by killing US (not the country but us the people).

 

 

 

February 19, 2010
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The evil act (pilot) fight against the evil IRS.  Who wins and who lost?  I am not sure who win, but us, tax payers are always who are lost.  Now we have to pay for new working building and medical to the government injury employee.  Is IRS care about some of us has no building to work, some of us still struggle for medical insurance?  Not that anyone wants evil.  But if IRS keep pushing someone to the edge, some unstable people in this economy are going to act evil.

February 19, 2010
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sheep sheep sheep//////baaaaaaa baaaaaa baaaaa

February 19, 2010
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rip joe....

February 19, 2010
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It appears to me that very few people actually bothered to read this man's manifesto.  Many who've posted here automatically concluded "I'll betcha the pilot was a Tea-bagger!" or equivalent.  Maybe he was; I don't know.  You be the judge; these excerpts are from his internet “screed,” as the media has been so quick to label it:  "why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it's time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours?"  Later he refers to “ . . . the midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) . . . ,“ and then towards the end of the document, to  “ . . . the recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies . . . . “    Maybe I'm wrong, but this guy doesn't sound like a teabagger to me.

 

Certainly no one of reasonable, sound mind can agree with Stack’s tactics.  We reject suicide, attacks on government offices, the murder of government employees, and other extreme measures.  But my fellow citizens, you are failing to understand the significance of what this man did:  he expressed a simmering rage against the system.  Those of you who only a few years ago reacted in justifiable outrage when legitimate protests against Bush Administration policies were labeled as unpatriotic, how can you now immediately insist that Stack and those of like mind simply pay their taxes and shut up?   And those of you who felt that those protesters WERE, in fact, unpatriotic:  how can you now express sympathy for an attack on the very government agency which funds the war at the heart of this dispute?

 

What this man actually said in his manifesto is much, much larger and much more important that the Right-Left dichotomy, and his complaints against the IRS are only one component.  He rages, in plain idiomatic English, against our system in totality, which no longer pretends to listen to us, does not represent us, is corrupt from top to bottom, permits a pernicious and growing corporate greed/government power mash-up , is slowly crushing the individual with the massive weight of government regulation in every corner of our lives, spies on our communications, unabashedly gives the richest private banks and corporations trillions in public money while the little people lose their homes to foreclosure, etc.

 

A very smart American once wrote:  “ . . . when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government . . . .”  These words were certainly true when Thomas Jefferson wrote them in 1776, and they have at least SOME applicability today. 

February 19, 2010
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DO NOT slow down on 183 to take pictures of the building.  You are going to cause an accident.

February 19, 2010
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RobnAustin,

 

You are right! Texas has become a joke. We used to visit there from Calif. and because there is a speed trap every 5 miles, in a state that stretches forever- we just quit going. Your own internal policing is killing your own people, and turning away tourists. State out of Texas is now California's official motto. They should just burn all the rest of Texas down (Except for the Cowtoys new stadium) and pave it over and make it a big parking lot for the new Cowtoy's stadium.

 

Don't mess with Texas...is right, nobody wants to, it is a big barren over policed desert

February 19, 2010
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no sheep here diamondback lol  but i do have mighty big ideas.ok so joe  flies plane into irs building we have held protest after protest in this country over unfair taxing we have went to congress over it time and time again .can anyone tell me if there has ever been success  against this issue ????? the answere  a big floppy NOPE. and folks are shocked this happed ?its not a reflection on the president at all. it reflects the injustice in this country .and for anyone to say  that the irs did not deserve it  and those people didnt see it coming , well thats just crazy  talk . you cannot in good concious say well we are going to nail joe to the wall here over and over and over and over some more untill he cracks and sits in a chair and does nothing about it. well let that be a lesson irs you better learn it fast .if you know what you do to someone is wrong and you dont think  anything should happen to you , you are indeed out of your mind . why should other folks keep thier head and keep taking thier beatings from the government .?

February 19, 2010
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People don't need planes to do this kind of terror damage, as previously mentioned.  Look what Tim McVeigh did with a rental truck...a lot cheaper than an airplane and a lot more damage.

 

Don't allow a knee-jerk reaction to cripple the great hobby and genuine American tradition of personal flight.  We've already had enough fallout from knee-jerk reactions over the terror crisis.

February 19, 2010
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This guy was a terrorist and a teabagger.  We do not need him around stealing oxygen from the rest of us.

February 19, 2010
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Atmos 42

good historical point about the Brits and their horrendous forced conscription policy in the colonies (Not just North America). Another reason; and one of the biggest was the Brits also jacked up the price of Cane sugar from the Indies, up to the point where the colonist (many of whom were hard core alcoholic's) were unable to distill their booze. That's why Johnny Appleseed was a national hero. His appleseeds were'nt celebrated for bringing fiber into the American colonists diet. It was because he supplied the knowledge (and seeds) to grow apples, especially in the hinterlands, in order to make applejack (Now know as Hard Cider in bars and liquor stores. Alcohol, religion fanatacisim  and anti-Gov't tax haters remain to this day three of the biggrest threat's to our nation...I've often wondered if someone, a true leader (non military) had stood up to these alchy boneheads one day and said "oh Crikey just pay the damn tax already, You're rich anyway" how The United Kingdom of America would  look like today

February 19, 2010
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All of those that are supporting Joe Stack are very troubled people.  The man tried to kill a large number of people with a plane.  He is no different than a Muslim extremist.  I live in Austin with my family and my husband is a computer software developer.  We have been in the exact same position as Joe Stack.  My husband has done contract work after contract work.  Sometimes out of a job for several months.  The difference between us and Joe is that we decided to PAY OUR TAXES and not get in trouble with the IRS.  Has anyone thought to ask themselves, "How did Joe afford his own private plane if he is in such financial troubles that he can't even pay his taxes?"  Joe Stack was a terrorist that decided to inflict pain on innocent people instead of taking resposibility for his own actions. 

February 19, 2010
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Joe Stack is one of a new breed of American Citizens.  He is an American Hero.  The FAA has been trying to "clamp down" on general aviation for some time now.  I wonder what they will come up with now, to further infringe on our rights.  I hope that more people will now remember that if our government is out of control, then it's time that we get rid of those in office and take back our country.  Joe is right.  Our politicians, our government and the very rich and powerful couldn't care less about us (U.S).  Still, the American People (sheep) still don't seem to get it.  Eventually, when all of our rights are gone, they might wake up, it won’t matter then.  I/We can only hope that more Good American Heroes will soon rise to the top and carry on where Joe has left off.

February 19, 2010
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  The guy was a terrorist plain and simple. He in no did anything patriotic by slamming his plane into the IRS building.

 

The Revolutionary War was not only a war to get England off our backs it was more so a plan by the British to stir the colonist's up by making the Boston Tea Party Raid look like American Indians had committed the act so that the colonists would fear the French and their Indian Allies. Why would Indians attack a cargo ship just to dump some tea out, when the tax placed upon the tea would not have been any concern for the Indians to begin with. But then something went wrong with the raid, the rebels caught up in their guise then saw that their plan was going the other way and that they could actually break away from England which now had to worry about two wars the America's and France which then goes back to the Tea Party as being conducted by French Special forces and not Anti-British supporters.

 

Something to think about.

 

The reason why Texas is the way you mention tuffyturf is because of the corruption of those in power in Texas. Where do you think all of the money comes to fill the coffers of the Republican Conservative Party? The leadership of Texas have to be hard nosed like they are to get as much money as they can othewise Big Oil, not Big Gas, which natural gas drilling is okay, will lose the ability to pay people off or buy people out that discuss and try to implement into society alternative forms of fuel that do not run on gas which is made from oil. See how much of a blunder the RCP actually causes and how they get all of there money? They extort it from the people by implementing laws that you describe as well as labeling anyone that may speak badly about their cult and NWO as being terrorists under the Patriot Act, which was drawn up by who, none other that George W. Bush who is a conservative and a Republican. Go figure.

 

 

February 19, 2010
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vicecop you have a good view of this  like i said in an earlier post i made there are tons of problems in this government. you are right one person wont do it alone thats why there is 300 million others out there  to ask this to? i also said that talking and lobbing isnt working either . a smart man once told me that history has a way of reapeating itself. there are tons of very angry people in america right now. issues are  far beyond irs alone . there is no talkin to fix this and everyone knows that . the tea bagging didnt work either did it? this is what i mean by history has a way of repeating itself the protests have gone on forever and not once have these protests made i stitch of difference. this is why we had the war for indepence in the first place from the brits, things just like this. tho i do not agree with mr joes hurting innocent people. i do however agree with his anger .YOU CANNOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE ANYMORE CRAP. its hard enough get out my pocket thats how i feel too. we are not united in this country anymore . thats because folks have the ability to think for themselves . how bad does it have to get before talking will actually work. heres my proposal draft up a decree of war list our demands give a time frame and dont back down untill we accomplish what we set out to do. that my friend is how you make your point when the ears of government wont listen. its we the people not we the oboma and his wifes million dollar dresses. if thats not a slap in the face i dont know what is. that much money on a freaking dress is redonk . i know movie stars that dont do this. to rub that in the face of americans who are loosing thier homes  jobs  and so on  is simply just awful . and to sit back and audit everyone in this economy is just as big a slap in the face  and complain that executives are over bonused next tv appearance the obomas are purplexed over  which million dollar dress she should wear what the heck is that ???? get what i mean ?if we all gotta suffer here i think the last thing in the world the first lady should be concerned about is how much she can spend on a DRESS. yes i exagerated the cost to some degree but its still truth

February 19, 2010
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Joe died a free man.  You may not like the way he did it, but he did lay down and die, he went out in a ball of fire against what he saw as evil.  The government is wrong and Joe was wrong.  There was no winner in this fight.

February 19, 2010
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What difference does his political affiliation make? We're all getting ripped of every day of our lives, not just by government agencies, put by private corporations as well. I don't want to pay taxes or bills or high prices for food, but I suck it up and take care of my business because I am an adult. This guy was nothing more than a big baby, just like all those people who throw these glorified tantrums because they don't get what they want; i.e. throwing your baby off a bridge because you didn't get custody, killing co-workers because you didn't get tenured, etc. If you whiners want to make a point and get sympathy, try killing yourselves instead of hurting innocent people.

February 19, 2010
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To Montaig451 -  I wonder if you would have the nerve to say to the face of the of the 2 burn victims that Joe Stack left as well as the family of the man he killed with his plane that you think Joe Stack is an American Hero.  You are the same as the Muslim extremists that support the acts of suicide bombers.  If someone you loved had been in that building and been burned or killed would Joe Stack still be your hero???? 

February 19, 2010
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I am puzzled by those who deny that this is an act of terrorism. In his manifesto, he expresses the desire that his actions will provoke a government response that will incite the "American zombies" to "wake up and revolt." This is indiscriminate violence against civilians, intended to achieve a political objective, which is the very definition of terrorism.

February 19, 2010
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  For all the rant about how much they hate the government, I have a question who in your mind is the government? Is it the policeman keeping you safe, fighting crime? Is it the small town mayor making sure your trash gets pick up every Tuesday? May it be the 17 year old girl that works weekends at the officer club on her local military base? Or is it your Republican Congress members that you love that do nothing but rant and rave, then get a fat tax payer check and protect big business? 

 

February 19, 2010
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I have lots of nerve. You don't even know me, so YOU are not qualified to "ASUME" anything about me. You Looser. Those that work there are the terrorists, muslim extremists and most likely, just like you. austin80? I don’t normally respond to comments like yours.  However, I’m in a good mood today! ;)

February 19, 2010
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Any responses from TEA officers or leaders on Joe Stack? Maybe I was not following them very closely.

February 19, 2010
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i get it we are suppose to go have a pillow fight to settle our differences i see lol

 

February 19, 2010
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Forget the underwear bomber or even airline hijackers, this guy opened up a Pandora’s Box for the Department of Homeland Security. As an ex-military air traffic controller who also worked small civilian airports on the side, I can tell you (common knowledge) that Podunk airports are everywhere and have little or no security measures in place to prevent the taking of aircraft. Let’s face it, it's pretty darn easy to take a small plane at a backwoods airport and fly it into commercial aircraft at larger airports. Whether arriving, departing, or sitting on the tarmac, commercial airliners are prime targets for any sleeper cell interested in VFR attacks. Future (coordinated) attacks of this nature should be a major concern for us all. Common sense dictates that terrorists will soon catch on to the idea. Just a thought to pass on....

February 19, 2010
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For anyone who has been helplessly bullied and victimized by the IRS, it's easy to understand how you can mentally get to that point.  In a governement that is ravaged by incompentance and mistrust, the IRS stands out as a shining beacon of ineptitude.  There is no one in that organization that either can or will think for themselves, or for that matter care about ascertaining the truth or facts.  They prefer instead to simply make sure Paper A is in Pile B, and bludgeon their way through those of us unftortunate enough to get in their path.  The IRS is the only portion of the Government where you are guilty, until you can prove that you are innocent.  

February 19, 2010
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I've read most of the comments and I agree and disagree with many of you guy's and respect you all. All except BBFisher, you are a lunatic. The Prophet TB Joshua's "prophecies" are for the most part highly probable. Ex-president of a great nation would be taken to have a surgical operation; highly probable. Most presidents of great nations are at the latter part of their lives; they have health care, therefore, they have surgical operations. Second, a coup in one of the French speaking countries; I'm sure the people of the Republic of Niger "prophesized" rebellion decades ago. Coups are highly probable in 3rd world countries with suspect governments, especially in Africa; highly probable. Finally, Prophet TB Joshuas warning to the USA, which concerns me in several ways, he stated, "America should be security conscious, particularly in the gathering of people and should take care of their air space." Attacks through the air have occured a couple of times throughout the 234 years of this nations existence; not highly probable. Prophet TB Joshua refers to President Obama as "Big Brother." In Joseph Stacks suicide note, he refers to President Obama as "Big Brother." It seems to me as if the Prophet TB Joshua may be inciting others to act radically; the government should check up on Prophet TB Joshua and make sure that he's strictly in the "prophesizing" business, and not in the inciting terrorism business. After all, that's what the Bin Laden's of the world do, incite terrorism. At the same time, Joe Stack is the main one to blame; he is a despicable creature that deserves no honor in death. Deciding to commit suicide is one thing, killing innocent others in the process is even more evil. Many people committed suicide during the Great Depression; I'm sure there have been a few during this recession, yet none in such a villanous way. By the way, terrorism is violence or the threat of violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assasination, carried out for political purposes. Which leads me to my final thought; Joseph Stack was a right wing, neo-natzi radical conservative, terrorists, who carried out this masterminded tragedy, knowing that a political uproar would ensue. 

February 19, 2010
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OH MY GOD. I can not believe the posts on here, which are honoring this total psycho. THANK GOD it wasnt your family killed by this man. These were innocent, hard working people, doing their jobs, and someone tried to murder them (the employees in this building). MONTAIG451 - LEARN TO SPELL!

February 19, 2010
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Montaig451 - I really hope you seek help.  It is very sad when someone's hero is a man that killed and burnt innocent Americans.   

February 19, 2010
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Jpe Stack was right on.  The American people are sheep and will follow the government blindly.

February 19, 2010
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America...falling to pieces one plane at a time.

 

Don't believe me? Look at the love on this page and on CNN in general since yesterday. United we Stand baby...

February 19, 2010
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witch or which word?

February 19, 2010
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He wasn't a terrorist, he was crazy!!

Once an airplane lifts off, it is somewhat hard to control it, especially is a loony is at the wheel. All the authorities in the world could not have prevented this. Normal people don't fly into buildings.

Yes the IRS and government is not always fair, but you can't blame your demise completely on them. People need to take responsibility for their own finances and if something is not working out, then you can fix it, or change your situation.

Good thing he didn't live in Europe, they take more of your money is taxes.

Our government isn't as bad as many countries in this world. If he didn't like it here, he could have left to a better land of fantasy.

February 19, 2010
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It appears from his manifesto that he wasn't exactly thrilled about Austin.  if I had had to move to Texas after having lived many years on the West Coast, and having to adjust to a new place with a new wife in Texas  of all places seems to have helped push him over the edge. Lets face it. Their Governor is a creationist Kook who believes the Earth is 5000 years old, denies global warming exists and worse he's conservative Republican. I might go a little off the edge myself not to violence which I condenm but probably with a bong not a plane...

February 19, 2010
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Log1c

The Europeans have something to show for the taxes they pay. Most are in VAT taxes (Like a nat'l sales tax) which in the case of france offer it's citizens what most consider (besides Americans livng their myth) the best healthcare in the world, 4 weeks paid vacation, maternity leave, chiuld care, retirement at 55 years old and a 35 hour workweek so they can spend more time with family. We get nothing but WAR and more WAR with our taxes and how does that help people like Joe stack?

February 19, 2010
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BBFisher1 - God did not cause this senseless act - a waste of a human bieng did! Stop listening to so-called prophets!

February 19, 2010
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BBfisher1

 

Can you tell us what other future events has your pastor prophesized ??

 

WE only hear of these prophecies after everything happens and we try to relate. Gives us a heads up and tell us about the future of 2010 ?

 

And is 2012 the time of destruction of this earth according to T B Joshua ?

February 19, 2010
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Wacko's are everywhere.  Looks at some the comments here.  Big bad governement gonna get cha !!!

February 19, 2010
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Why attack the IRS? Why attack the biggest christian denomination to die for this country in war?  Why tear down the body of Christ.  WHERE DOES THE HATE COME FROM?

 

 

 

 

February 19, 2010
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I don't know what to say.. but an innocent IRS employee who draws salary just like YOU and pays taxes just like YOU might not have deserved this... YOU should be sorry for this...

February 19, 2010
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Where's all this hate coming from?  Why so much hate?

 

How do you act this evil thing out?  How?  How can there be so much hate?

 

Peace and love to all!

February 19, 2010
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Where is all this hate coming from?  Anyone read the signs at the Teabaggers marches? Has anyone listened to the GOP's hate rhetoric?  Anyone hear Palin saying that Obama "pals around with terrorists"?  Listen to Limbaugh or Faux News, and you will soon here the hate rhetoric of the conservatives.  Is it any wonder this type of terrorism does not happen more often?!

February 19, 2010
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In response to the first comment, let's remember a time honored adage by the American people: we don't negotiate with terrorists.

February 19, 2010
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Let me guess if this guy was middle eastern or something; we'd be hammered with CNN's nonsense for a month, they wouldn't have anything better to talk about; would they dare even call him a terrorist; offcourse no

February 19, 2010
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‘there but for the grace of god go I’

I had rage over how the irs took everything I had without a hearing of guilt or innocence.  That rage ate at me every day as the irs took 4 years out of my life – they ripped my heart out.  I was one of the lucky ones whose letter to the Commissioner of the IRS got traction.  The irs worked with me to correct their wrongs except for one classic IRS ‘witch’ who had her own agenda.  I had to sue the IRS, the US Attorney, and the DOJ to get justice.  The government counter sued and then offered to settle a few years later when the case was coming to trial.  I refused to settle until I got my name, my sanity, and everything they took from me back.  The US Attorney called me on the eve of court and asked why I refused their settlement offer.  I told him, he did the research, and called me back a few days later saying there was a grave mistake.  They gave me everything I asked for and more.  They can never give me those 4 years back. 

 

There are a lot of disenfranchised people posting here.  I think you need to take your energy, get involved and make change.

 

Joe Slack may have been wronged, but he was wrong to do what he did.  If the irs wrongs you, we live in a country that has a process to correct these wrongs.  Joe Slack should have availed himself of that process.  Joe Slack should have sought professional psychological care to help him sort through his troubles.   Joe Slack was wrong to murder two innocent persons.

 

 

February 19, 2010
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Let's remember that Mr. Stack killed a man who fought for his country - regardless of the war he was willing to step up for the country he loved.  How utterly disrespectful of some of you.  It's perfectly ok to agree with Joe's letter - some of it was how many americans may feel but violence is never the answer.  I don't want to live in a nation where violence rules - if you think it's bad now we'll be dead in the water if that happens.  Remember also when violence is used to make a point it could be someone you love that is in the path.  I suspect that those of you mouthing off do nothing to better your country or even the towns you live in.  Shame on you - your parents would be ashamed at the crap you are spouting.

February 19, 2010
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Well lets be glad it was not a CONVICTED FELON that done this , if it were a CONVICTED FELON they would now pass a law that want allow a CONVICTED FELON to get within 50 ft. of an airplane.. But this just proves that everybody has a tendency to do something stupid,, not just a convicted felon.. Every one does something stupid in life some get caught, some die, and some get away with it...  IRS ha, ha, ha

February 19, 2010
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Violence is the answer? Common guys, this was terrorism plain and simple. How many innocent people got hurt? How many "pounds of flesh" did this guy ultimately cost? I'm as much against income tax as anybody. It does nothing for this country and makes the elite wealthier, but this type of action will only make things worse. Ghandi had a much better idea ... nonviolent protest. If nobody paid their taxes the government would have no choice but to abolish income tax. Nobody would get hurt, and it would be far more effective. My heart goes out to all those involved in this.

February 19, 2010
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Many of you agree with this terrorist. You say that the IRS is evil and they make these awful laws. Have you even sat and thought that the IRS does not make the tax law? It is congress that makes the law. If you do not like the tax law, fine, then be mad at congress. The employees of the IRS are just doing their job so that they can put food on their table just like you and me. They are only enforcing the law.

 

It seems like those of you that praise this terrorist think that it is okay to try to kill innocent people. Yes, the employees of the IRS are innocent people. If you feel so angry, point that anger at congress, not the innocent employees.

February 19, 2010
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locoboy2828 Slack's problems encompassed a period 24 years that included 8 years under Cheney's watch. Even under Cheney's reign very little was done to resolve the problem. Cheney pointed finger.  But should he be campainging at the expense of fellow Americans perpetuating division while the masses suffer. Former Halliburton CEO, where does his loyalities lie? Bucks or people? Part of the problems or part of the cure, CHOOSE.   

February 19, 2010
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Come on! Can you imagine if we all reacted to anger in this manner?? I live in Austin and this is devastating! How dare this man take innocent lives into his own hands because he was mad at the government. We all pay taxes and don't always like the price but what about our children? What is in their future? This is the insanity. Stop all the violence! I don't want to have to worry about my grown children out there working for a living and run the risk of some idiot taking out their life because he was pissed at the government! Seriously!

February 19, 2010
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To all and steelnoles: The IRS is the only one that can take your soul. Yes Congress makes the laws but the idiots that think they can interrupt them are stupid. No training or anything else. They took just about everything this man had. I live in Austin. Yea their doing their job steelnoles but NOT WELL. You have no clue son. I had a problem with the IRS some years ago and after four months they corrected it. Heck they could not even read. You must remember it is people that work for the IRS and make more mistakes than Carter has pills. They go thru the motions and do not care. My sorrow is for the man and his family left behind. He obviously was so distraught he completely lost it. I am sorry that an IRS agent was killed but them are the breaks. I dont know how these people sleep at night.

February 19, 2010
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Did anyone realize that this was a terroist act? I can guarentee if the is man was black, brown or with a different ethincity he would be labeled as a terroist. What is wrong with society today and racial profiling?

February 19, 2010
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1upset mama. This man did pay his taxes. What he was referring to was the IRS code that is used for one set of people and not the rich butts. Unless you have walked in his shoes none of you can talk. I am sorry for all but this is not and I repeat a terrorist act. Read what the word terrorist means in Websters.

February 19, 2010
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Sammy here we go again with the racial profiling b.s. again. If anyone has been picked on it is the Native Americans and the Jews. I am neither. Not a terrorist act. It was the act of one man that hit rock bottom and saw no way out. He must have been lower than a snakes belly. Cannot get much lower than that.

February 19, 2010
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ter·ror·ist térrərist

(plural ter·ror·ists)

n

somebody using violence for political purposes: somebody who uses violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, to intimidate others, often for political purposes 

 

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This was terrorism plain and simple.

February 19, 2010
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Terrorist:  One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

Terrorism:   The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

 

Yep, I definately think this was a terrorist act. Wonder why it's not being called that.  Not enough death and destruction.   I will never again drive by that building and not remember what it looks like since yesterday; probably much they way folks in Oklahoma city think of the Murray bldg.  We are an educated community and this man was educated and that I find very scary....this could happen anywhere.

February 19, 2010
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Ok. Point taken BUT he had no RIGHT to act in the manner he did. How would you feel if it were your husband/father /grandfather that was killed? That family has lost their loved one and for what? A man who was mad? I worked for someone who had not been able to pay for his taxes for over 10 years. They(IRS) settled on a ridiculously low amount (for what he really should have paid , like the rest of us) I understood his frustrations but he did not fly his plane into an office building and kill an innocent life not to mention it could have been more lives taken. What about the man who is in critical condition with burns to his body? Have you no soul my friend? There are ways to handle struggles and you don't know my situation or my details of my life. i have worked my whole life and have had plenty of financial woes but I did not act in a manner where I hurt/took innocent lives. Get real!

February 19, 2010
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To Austin2010. I agree. It is just unbelievable that people can react this way. I too will never be able to travel that direction and not think of what happen. Very sad day.

February 19, 2010
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to 1booknut. What if it was you in that building yesterday doing your job? How would you or your family members feel? What about the wife and step child Stack left behind? How do you think they feel for his actions? They have to live with this for the rest of their lives. I just can't imagine how you can justify it?

February 19, 2010
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Booknut, also think of this. If he had the money to keep a PLANE and his $230,00 dollar home and nothing had been repossessed then how could he be so broke? Could he not have sold his home or plane? I mean WHO owns a plane and could afford to keep it at an airport hanger?? There are others who have much less. I am not a so called "rich butt". and I pay taxes and have struggles just like everybody else does , especially in todays economy!!I won't judge  you so you don't judge me. Everyone has struggles especially when we are hurting as a nation like we are. The answer is not to go out and destroy with violence. I don't know what the answer is but was it solved yesterday with the death of an innocent man and the severe burning  of another? I don't think so. I hate to think that Mr. Stack felt so distraught that he would take his own life but to also take  victims who did nothing to deserve this with him is just unthinkable.

February 19, 2010
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Booknut: So, the IRS can take your soul? They are the only ones? Wow, so God came down and said that a part of the U.S. government is the only entity that can do this. That is amazing. No one is interrupting the laws. The IRS did not interrupt a law. They do not even interpret them. They enforce the laws. They took just about everything this man had including his plane and home and...oh wait, he had those. I do have a clue and I am not your son. These people do the best job that they can like I would hope that you do in your job. I think it is you that has no clue...son. You had your problem corrected. Now you say that they make so many mistakes. Really, maybe you need to take a look in the mirror sometimes.

February 19, 2010
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If you think Joe Stack is a hero, you are a terrorist. If you sympathize for his plight, you sympathize with suicide bombers. He was a coward, end of story.

February 19, 2010
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Joe Stack was a terrorist. And people refuse to call him such just like the anti-abortion scum that assaults and murders in the name of political expediency

February 19, 2010
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It's no surprise that the Federal Government & IRS harassed and terrorized another American citizen until, he felt he had no recourse but do something drastic.  I feel sad that I, have no empty for the IRS or the Federal employees who work for the Government.  It's getting to be us against them.

February 19, 2010
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Man, I couldn't agree more with what J. Stack had to say. Most of my family and friends are also in agreement. It's sad it came to this, but the man has a point! Why does it take a body count to get the point across? Obama and his cronies along with most other politicians are USELESS. The country has gone to hell in a hand basket and nobody cares. We need a revolution in this country. I just hope it doesn't take another bombed building for things to change.

 

Joe Stack is NOT a terrorist. He had an extreme way of getting a point across. What is not true about Joe's letter? The government steals from the middle class to give to the rich. When we need help, where is the government? Oh that's right, squabbling over "gore-bull warming" and flying to Europe for the stupid Olympics wasting money we don't have. But when banks are in trouble, there is help within minutes. WAKE UP PEOPLE, this is YOUR country. Take it back! Ronald Reagan said "Government can't solve the problem. Government IS the problem!"

February 19, 2010
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It is always unfortunate when a human life gets caught in the sweeping blades of a revolution, but a revolution is excatly what this country needs. Joseph Andrew "Joe" Stack will be remembered as the first true cry of the oncoming revelution that I hope will take grasp in this country. Let me make it clear that I do not agree with the actions of Joe Stack, but we common Americans cannot deny the common understanding and underpinnig feelings that we all have. Politicians are nothing but dirtbags; Democrats and Republicans alike, lying filthy dirtbags. Revolution is not a pretty business, it is in fact very messy, but I do believe we can bring change with out spilling the blood of other innocents in our quest to win back the country from the fonnies and cronnies and whatever colorful words that can be used to describe the lowest of the low otherwise known as 'politicians'. Vernon Hunter- the unfortunate victim of Joe Stacks terrorist attack- was the victim of a horrable crime, but he will also be remembered as the first vistim of the oncoming revolution that this country is due to experience, if only its people, its suffering and disinfranchised populace will stand up and fight for what's right.

February 19, 2010
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Sounds like Joe Stack was a quitter.

 

Some of you are crazy.

 

All of you have a strong opinion.

 

Few of you are willing to fly your plane...let alone your car into a building.

 

Tomorrow's a powder day in Snowmass.  I'll put my kids in Ski School...walk the dig and thank God...not T.B. Joshua that I don't have the burden of owning a plane, owe the IRS too much cash or live in Austin....

 

February 19, 2010
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If Mr Stack had attacked a building of, say, The Gestapo in WWII, an organization then an arm of the official government of the day in Occupied France, he would be hailed as a hero.   One man's terrorist is another's freedom-fighter. 

 

Mr Stack's letter is not of wild ramblings; he makes a number of clear points about injustices and imbalances.

He could not see how, as an individual, out-numbered, out-accountant-ed, out-lawyer-ed and out-gunned, he could fight back.  Yes; patently he was depressed and in an unhappy state but he shouldn't be written off as just 'some nutter', for in his action there were elements also of courage.

 

Politicians and tax-men, note well: this worm turned; there could be others.

February 19, 2010
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Algo160: Tell that to the dead man's family.  His name was Vernon Hunter - pull up his picture as he looks like a nice man.  He was working to pay his bills and put food on the table and take care of his family.  His wife worked in the same building and all day probably knew in her heart she'd never again get to kiss her husband of so many years.  He was a vet.  Joe won't be remembered as someone of courage rather someone who didn't have the balls to kill only himself and not others.  Now imagine what I just said was about your dad or mom.  Puts it in a whole new light doesn't it. Therein lies the problem of random violence ... could be anyone.  No Courage here for Joe...he's a traitor to his neighbors and family and those that knew him. 

February 19, 2010
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For those who say he was a hero these are details of the innocent victim he murdered:

"Authorities have identified the person killed Thursday when a man crashed his small plane into an office building in Austin, Texas in what appeared to be a deliberate attack on the Internal Revenue Service, Fox News reported Friday.

 

Vernon Hunter, 67, was a Revenue Office Manager for the IRS. His wife, Valerie, also works for the government agency and was in the same building when the crash occurred. They have six grown children who live outside of Austin.

 

A retired Army officer, Vernon enlisted in the Army when he was 18. Two tours in Vietnam and dozens of other assignments later, Vernon retired from the military and entered the private sector.

 

In the hours that have passed since the body of Mr. Hunter was uncovered, his son Ken has had time to reflect on the life his father lived and the way in which it was suddenly ended.

 

Ken calls his father a real American patriot; a man who decided to serve his country as a soldier, putting his life in danger to defend freedom at a time when other men his age were dodging the draft.

 

http://www.kens5.com/news/Victims-son-says--84813392.ht...

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February 20, 2010
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how can anyone justify what this man did, the people that died is not responsible for what this man was going through, he should have went through the justice system. he is not hero, he is a coward, (was he promised 72 virgin cousins) and the fact that there are people that condones what this man did are animals and will be the reason why the rights and liberties of all americans who abide by the law. Very sad, the guy is a coward,bottomline!

February 20, 2010
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In the 1960’s the IRS decided to attack my husband and myself. We were at the low end of the middle class scale. We had five children at the time, and lived from payday to payday even though my Husband made a decent salary.

 

I am too tired to write down everything they did to me and said to me. Even though we gave them proof of everything they wanted. They hounded me day and night. I would get phone calls late in the evening. Telegrams threatening me, to be hauled into court, have our wages attached. Demands to come into the office at any time of day. It was a night mare and I was at my wits end. For what, we didn’t do anything wrong, It was worse than a nightmare.

 

Finally one day after I thought I might kill myself, in desparation I called the main office in Washington DC and talked to someone, I had asked to speak to the top guy. I gave them a run down on what we had been through for almost a year, every sordid detail all the while crying and blowing my nose.

 

Lo and behold the next morning I received a call asking me, not demanding , that I come into the office as they were going to close the case. I could not believe it.

 

We went down and signed some paper that we had to sign in order for the case to be closed. The gestapo agent that was handling my case was no where to be seen. The head of the office handled the final papers. He informed me as nicely as he could that just because they were closing the case did not mean that we were not guilty. His demeanor was frightful and the veins were sticking out on his neck through the entire time we were there.

 

I am not condoning what happened but I guess I have to have empathy for the poor soul.

February 20, 2010
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Of course we feel compassion for the relatives of the victims, but the point remains: Mr Stack did not have some sudden seizure; he was not, so far as we know, drunk or drugged; he had tried, judging from his note, to play by the rules, but he found that there's a set of rules for him, you and me -- and mysteriously another set for those other people, banks and insurance-companies. He saw -- and we cannot condone it -- only one way to fight back and he took it. It has made interesting reading to try to get into his head.

 

Yes; it would have been better if he'd just put that head out of the window, like the character in the film Network, and yelled "I've had enough! I'm just not going to take it any more!" but no one listened to him or read his letters, so 'facta non verba' for Mr Stack.

 

It would be interesting to know what motivates people to work for the IRS.  After all, those skills in book-keeping, law or accountancy could be employed in many organizations that pay well -- but only in the IRS do they also provide a certain power: one memo from the comfort of your desk and and a man's savings, job, marriage, life can be destroyed and if he doesn't submit you can even get truckloads of gun-toting agents to visit. It bears a remarkable resemblance to the protection-rackets run by criminals but that's just a coincidence, of course.

February 20, 2010
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There is a clear double standrad in the coverage of this Stack. If he had been a Muslim or a foreigner, the media and the government would make this the #1 story for the next month--like happened after the attempted Christmas Day airliner bombing. The atrocity in Austin was the first Teabagger Terrorist Attack on America, pure and simple.

February 20, 2010
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dt1phoenix PLEASE SPARE ME

Innocent workers. This country makes a habit of killing people just doing their job. The government officials in Bagdad during shock and awe were just doing their job. The Afgan families and children killed in crossfire today were just doing their job. The Waffen SS were just performing as ordered. Some are innocent, others not. Just wrong place, wrong time, working or living in a place they should not be. Ohio man today bulldozed his house (not behind in payments) so the IRS could not get it. AND SO IT BEGINS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

February 20, 2010
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I don't blame this guy one bit. Our government lies to us about everything and you retards (ya I said retard so sue me) believe everything someone with a suit on TV tells you. Grow up, wake up, and stop the crap about left/right, liberal/conservative, tea party/non tea party. It is ALL THE SAME people making money plain and simple. The government continues to be run by the same people. One of them retire and it's their cousin, son, brother, sister who takes their place. We have no real choices when we vote. Let's get a normal working American in office for once. None of these guys ever worked for anything it's been handed to them all their life, why do they tell us working Americans whats best for us, they have no idea. I do not condemn this man but do not condone the way he carried it out.

February 20, 2010
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People are so fed up...working working working and dealing with those robots at the IRS who basically tell you to sell your soul, sell your body...whatever it takes but PAY UP!!!  I had a divorce, a death of my child and lost my job and house and as a result didn't pay the entire amount I owed the IRS--I made a mistake and didn't send enough money...I could have eventually paid it but then with accrued interest and the enormous penalties...i just could not do it...i called and wrote but no one cared and simply reminded me of the day to day interest it was so cold and heartless but everyone there I talked to was basically the same...it was down right suffocating and so stressful to know the interest was just adding up making it less and less possible for me to pay...a family member who noticed that I was basically despondent helped me emotionally and financially and that is how I got out of the IRS mess...emotionally though I was definitely wounded and the apathy and lack of humanity (especially in this culture) is so debilitating I can see why the guy lost it...people are standing up...they have nothing to lose at this point...they are tired, homeless, hungry, overstressed...it is no surprise that this other brave man bulldozed his home after the IRS put a lien on his home...extreme? YES! At least he didn't hurt anyone else.  It is too bad the Austin situation ended up in innocent deaths...the message though is LOUD AND CLEAR!

February 20, 2010
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It is time to realize that we the citizens of the United States of America are to blame for this and other violent acts which occur in this country. We have became so sophisticated and sissified that we overlook the important things in "our country". All week we have heard on the radio and seen on television Tiger Woods will speek ! Yesterday you could not escape the amazing speech no matter where you turned.There will be experts commenting and debating about his comments for a week. Sadly I listened to the end of it while driving,I heard the commentator say that that speech will be analized for years to come. What a joke. We are so consumed with scandal and so called "superstars" lives that we dont even see the problems that that are about to hit us in the face.You turn on the news and what do you see,Tiger  Brad and Angelina Jennifer Aniston Kobe Lebron Senators and hookers.But we could not see the whole letter which told us the reasons for what he did and the frustrations which drove him to it. In no way am I agreeing with the violence which he committed and am not about to rent a plane myself but you can not dismiss the events in his life and just say he was a bad dude and sick in the head. But most of our citizens have not taken the time to look up the whole writing and only rely on excerpts which our local news puts out there. Remember the press "was" there to report to us the events which happen not edit the events. And they are there to report what is going on in the government in an unbias way so to keep the government in check. Try to find a news source that is completely neutral,you can't. Tiger is more important,at least thats what were being told. Just look on the home page of this site today,a giant picture of Tiger with a tear running down his face while I sit here with tears in my eyes for where our country is heading and what my grandchildren will be left with. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS ! There are more people in this country that are frustrated with the system than you may think, if you didn't see it at 6:00pm. then it couldn't be true. Right? Don't forget,Tea Parties are just a handfull of unhappy radicals blowing off steam and not affecting anything.(The News last week)

February 20, 2010
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Joe was a victim of big brother government, intent on taken money from little taxpayers, while ignoring the big corporations and other friend of the govenment.He is just the beginning.American,and I mean real ones,notleftist cowards who p their pants when a horn blows, are getting angry at socialist in our government. Laught you leftist swines. For,we will take back our country and you lack any courage to stop it.Hide under the table

February 20, 2010
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adtsy- You are typing out of the side of your neck.  Saying the citizens of the US are to blame is ridiculous.

Taxes are high.  Nearly all of the people that we are working to support made the choice to not acquire job skills, many goofed off in in school, and ignored their future.  A man that does not try to work, should not eat. 

February 20, 2010
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I think the answer here is to do the thing you love. I remember thinking during the huge sales pitch to go into IT that they were going to take the best and brightest, channel their talents into doing something stupid, and then set them against each other to keep them in line by making them disposable. What we need to do at this point, IMO, is to pay attention and VOTE. Doing what you love instead of doing what is promised to be lucrative is also a thing worth considering, people who followed their own course made this country great. People who do that are not lemmings.

February 20, 2010
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Oh, and for anyone interested, the next field to be ransacked in such a fashion as to produce this tragedy is health care. Or at least that seems to be the plan....

February 20, 2010
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We express our opinions on here, like drunks in bars, but none of us will do anything.

 

Well, here's a thought...

 

Perhaps it's time to form a new party. It would recognize the worth of the individual and that simple technology can offer a true democracy in which citizens vote on issues as they arise, rather than voting every few years on which self-promoting good ol' boys should sit in the cities', states' or nation's capitals.

 

Income-tax punishes success. That it is unfair is apparent from the myriad rules devised to make exceptions and allowances, a system now so complex that experts are hired to navigate it, yet, as Stack observed, no citizen can use incomprehension as his excuse for getting it wrong.

 

Income-tax could go and be replaced by a national sales-tax, like VAT. Fairness? Make the rich pay more? A sales-tax does that! The more you buy, the more tax you pay.

 

What tax-rate? How is tax spent? We could vote on it! The Army needs more? Let it try to persuade us with advertising. A National Health Service? Let its proponents or opponents sway us.  A simple cross on a bit of paper (no levers, hanging chads etc.) against each of several questions is manageable, workable. Such mechanisms care not whether you are black or white, good at sound-bites, had a daddy who cleaned up on the stock market or had one who cleaned toilets.

 

...but... we express our opinions on here, like drunks in bars, and none of us will do anything. 

February 20, 2010
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RIP Vernon Hunter   

 

This man was a real American hero.  He served his country in 2 tours of duty in Vietnam.  He was a loving father and grandfather.  For those of you that think Joe Stack's actions are justified, take a look at the video link.  Because of Joe Stack's rage, this innocent 67 year-old army vet is dead.  Vernon...you will be missed.

 

http://www.kvue.com/news/Plane-Attack-Victims-son-speaks-84823732.html

February 20, 2010
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It is sad that he was not able to warn for evacuation before he did what he did, but, to me, that is the only thing he did wrong.

 

It is time to bring down the IRS. Read abut the history of the 'temporary' income tax to fund the Civil War and how it became the all powerful permanent Dragon it is today.

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

February 20, 2010
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Olde Turtle - I don't understand your point of view.  I say that with respect but honestly I am baffled how you think that.  How did Joe Stack's actions do anything towards changing the IRS.  His actions killed a 76 year old American vet and burned 2 other people.  He destroyed a building that did not just house the IRS but housed many other regular small businesses.  His actions caused the potential for many other copy-cat domestic terrorists to try and follow in Joe's footsteps.  And his actions left his own wife and step-daughter with no home to live in.  And yet the IRS still continues to run the same way it did before the plane crashed.  Violence will not solve anyone's issues with the IRS.  All that will happen is that more innocent Americans will be hurt or killed.  If it had been your father, son, daughter that died, would Joe still be a "freedom fighter" in your eyes????

February 20, 2010
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Just a suggestion to those who contemplate violence like this without constructive solutions... go & touch yourselves!

 

You'll feel better & everyone else would be better off!

 

It worked for me while waiting for morons to admit that the Iraqi invasion was misguided! :)

February 20, 2010
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If Joe Stack doesn't enjoy the quality of life in the U.S. in exchange for the taxes that he paid (or not paid), go somewhere else.  Only nuts kill indiscriminately and Joe is one!

February 20, 2010
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austin80, It's sad that Vernon was killed, but you must think that everybody who served in Iraq or Afghanistan is a hero.  Or was Vernon a hero because he was a loving father and grandfather?  My father-in-law served in Korea, but that generation (thankfully) doesn't call everyone who puts on a uniform a hero.

February 20, 2010
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I feel bad for the people who died in the building, the odds of them having anything to do with Joseph Stack's problems is remote. Yet we can expect more of this, when you push people to their limits, people will fight back and even snap. Anyone who works for companies like the IRS, FED, financial companies, or branches of government should be mindful of their safety.

 

American apathy is coming to an end this economic crisis as it gets worse will unhinge more people. Honest hard working Americans who played by the rules are beyond furious over the fact not a single arrest has been made over those who made the crisis happen. They are tired of having to flip the bill imposed by corporate lobbyist LUVn law makers who are not listening to the people. If you don’t give the people a voice through the proper channels then they will find them through others.

February 20, 2010
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BTW anyone here notice this an iReport? The media was quick push this story to page 2 and get onto other more important stories like Tiger Woods apology for cheating. The media needs to wake up too and quick pumping stupid stories as news. Paris Hilton finds her lost dog, Anna Nichole Smith’s death (on for a month), Tiger unzipped his pants, etc. CNN and the other MSM need to grow a brain.

February 20, 2010
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M66

And that is of the smallest of planes.

February 20, 2010
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If Stack was mad about his situation before, he's REALLY burned up about it now...

February 20, 2010
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bbfisher1....see that's what's wrong you this world today....filled with liars..  you said that he was referring to President Obama when he said "big brother"....if you read what he said you KNOW that's not who he was referring to....while you are listening to your bishop start telling the truth....

 

Mr Stack said....Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

 

I guess you thought no one else would read it either!

February 20, 2010
February 20, 2010
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The comments on that are supporting this act are outrageous! We have a political process where you can participate in changing the laws but instead of pushing our representatives to focus on these things we fight each other about things like abortion or gay marriage. Wake up! This act is no different that 911 and this guy is no more justified. Do not be suckered into the rage and anger that those in the extreme minorities want to use to further their extremist ideologies or else you will be hunted down for being a terrorist just like AQ or Hamas.

 

Their is a movement in this country to start forcing our reps to do the People's work and it has united Dems, Repubs, and independents. Some people think that the Tea Party promotes this type of act but there are more good people trying to make positive changes than those on the fringe that want to use the movement to push their hate. Check out ContractFromAmerica.com. It is time that we put aside our differences on divisive issues and force our politicians to focus on things that we can all agree need to be fixed.

 

Joe Stack is not a freedom fighter. He made more money than most of his fellow Americans and should have paid his debt for the privilege of living in this great country!

 

Call out those that are wasting our future and mis-appropriating our wealth and vote them out just as our founders intended but do not resolve to the sword when there is a peaceful solution.

February 20, 2010
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Look at most of you people, half are blaming the right and the other half are blaming the left, ever think about just blaming the nutcase that flew the plane? And to try and hook this to Beck, or Rush, and Palin, what fools you are, the government has you just where they want you, fighting each other, and keeping your minds (those of you that have minds) distracted.  As long as we are at each others throats those crooks, loony's and socialists in Washington can continue to move forward with there plans to bankrupt our country. I'm not a supporter of either party, I left the Republican Party years ago, once I fugured out there is no difference between the two, hopefully someday soon, the rest of America will figure this out also.

 

The government is just that, "the government" and it's one for all, and all for one, they have a plan, and there plan does not include us, we are just in there way. The sooner you can figure this out, the sooner we can unite as Americans and finally put a stop to this "MADNESS" in Washington.  Do you really think obowa got where he did on his own, come on, think about it, a nobody from nowhere, with little cash on hand, suddenly steps onto the national stage and becomes President of the most powerfull country in the world, I think not. There are very powerfull organizations in the shadows that put him in office, this shadow government has unlimited resources and has been deciding not only the outcome of American policy, but also the policy of almost every major economic power in the world, ie; Europe, Japan, Canada, Mexico, the middle east. Notice I did not mention China or Russia, these two are lone wolves and are the linch pin when deciding the future of the world, they are both very much capable of putting the brakes on or taking them off concerning the direction the world moves, Russia with it's vast Nuclear arsenal & China with it's vast economic power, (plus they have quite a large Nuke stockpile themselves).

 

It all boils down to this, the folks at the top of the food chain are looking down on us little peasants and trying to decide what they are going to do about us. Of all the countries in the world today there is only one that has a snowballs chance in hell of stopping this one world government take over, and guess which one it is? You got it, the good old U.S of A.  We Americans, if, and that's a "BIG IF" were to unite and get rid of all the trash in Washington, we could effect the outcome of how the world turns, but we won't be able to have any chance if we keep fighting amongst ourselves, we must be united, of one force, and then, maybe then we can put a stop to all this maddness that has permeated our society.

 

Before I cut loose there is one more thing I wish to touch on, and that is an EMP attact. There are forces out there in the world that are, and have been for the last hundred years, trying to figure out a way to take down the United States Of America.  Yes my friends, I know it does not sound possible, nor does it sound reasonalbe, that there are forces that would like to see us put out of action, be a non-factor in world policy, but I know for a fact that they exist, have always existed, at least in our recent past, and are still looking for a way to get around our defenses and take us out. We were blessed with the best natural defense a country could possibly have, two great oceans on each side of us, the Pacific on the west coast and Atlantic on the east coast, no army, from any country could launch an attack on our coasts and expect to survive. So how would an enemy get to us, how would they knock us out? Simple, with an EMP attack, two ships, possibly large fishing trawlers, each mounted with a medium range missile, each attached with a small to medium NUKE, launched simultaneously above the western U.S. and eastern U.S. then scuttling the ships in deep water leaving no evidence as to who did it, it would be simple to send these trawlers into the shipping lanes without notice, keeping the missiles below deck until launch time, raise them up, boom, sink the ships, and nobody is the wiser.  We are then blown back into the stone age without any immediate ground effect, not until our entire power supply shuts down. If you are not up to date on EMP's then I suggest you do your homework, the Iranians are in the process of developing this very system at present, yes folks, we are a stones throw away from being a non-existant power in world events.

 

Say good night Dick, say your prayers, and keep your powder dry.  The next few years are going to be quite exciting, and downright dangerous.  Good Day To All, And Good Luck !!!!

February 20, 2010
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This guy wasn't insane.  He was just plain PISSED, and wasn't going to take any more.  Everyone has a breaking point, and this guy had reached his, thanks to the IRS and the Catholic church. Rest in peace, Joe Stack.

February 20, 2010
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So now it's the church's fault, what the hell is the matter with you folks?

February 20, 2010
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I am absolutely astonished at those of you in this blog that are obviously on the "conservative" side.  Really???? you can justify this guy's actions because taxes are being raised???  It is awfully ironic that you are the same folks that think the war on Terror is such an important one and so justified... yet, when someone that thinks like you do does exactly the same actions as the terrorists did to us you think this guy is now some sort of hero.  As a matter of fact you are even willing to All of you that are saying this guy was justified are absolutely stupid, hypocritical, and I bet your family tree looks more like a family branch.

 

The media should be ashamed too... Along with Austin Police trying to state this is not an act of terrorism.  We cannot make our cake and eat it too.. if muslim extermists run a plane into a building to kill people is terrorism, then so is this.

February 20, 2010
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Joe Stack killed a man--a 2 tour veteran of Vietnam and a father and grandfather. Joe Stack was a crybaby who didn't want to pay his taxes and now a murderer and terrorist. He took away a family's father. It is lucky he didn't kill more innocent people with his stupid act of terror. Too bad he didn't have enough brains to just off himself instead of hurting other people. Terrorists will never have my sympathy.

February 20, 2010
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Jqb

The Engineered IRS Kamikaze Attack

 

 

     Recently Joe Stack of Austin Texas went postal after weeks of "storms brewing in his head" and saying "that all the therapy in the world" couldn't solve his anguish. He supposedly gets into a fight with his wife, she leaves at midnight or so, then he posts his anti - IRS manifesto on his website, that flys his his plane into the IRS offices, killing himself and two others. He ends his manifesto saying "violence is the only answer".

 

The massive Liberatian based "Tea Party" Movement has alarm bells ringing all over the political landscape. As with all other political - grassroots movements not yet absorbed, bought or discredited by the political establishment, they had a critical need to associate this Tea Party movement as violent, in order to isolate it from the mainstream support that it has been gaining.

     

     So Joe Stack goes postal, hits the IRS building in Texas, which has fire trucks and HAZMAT crews on scene before the attack. He has his plane going full throttle, but many witnesses say they could see no visible pilot. You have probably seen radio -  controlled toy planes before. The technology to remote control the take off and landing of full sized Passenger aircraft, such as Boeing 747, has existed since at least 1969. Since that time remote piloting of aircraft has improved it's technology by an order of magnitude.

     

     So who have mild mannered guy that none of his friends or associates had ever seen discussing anti - government, anti - IRS politics, goes postal leaves behind anti - IRS, seemingly communist inspired screed, and goes Kamikaze into an office building. As many people have pointed out he had $40 0000.00 plane and a $232 000.00 House. Why wouldn't he just sell his plane to deal with his tax problems?... or sell his house and move into a condo to sort out his tax problems ?.... Why is that just at the time this grass - roots political movement, with a major financial reform compenent to it, is gaining so much steam - that this guy goes Kamikaze on the offices of enforcement arm of the Financial establishmnent ?...  - BECAUSE THIS WAS AN ARTIFICIAL, ENGINEERED EVENT - . Major publications in mainstream media were quick to print up articles linking Joe Stack with White Supremicists, Waco, etc... 4 main points to go over here :

 

     A.) He was externally, one way or another, motivated to go Kamikaze.

 

     B.) "They" burned down his house, drugged him and or killed him, then dumped him in

             the plane, and then remote controlled it into the IRS offices (which as                     mentioned previously had the fire department and HAZMAT pre - placed on scene,               no doubt conducting what they had been told was some kind of drill. Also                     witnesses mentioned not being able to see a pilot in the plane as it went full               throttle into the IRS building.

 

     C.)  Linking political activists to violence is the number one way in western                     democracies to undermine grass - roots movements unpopupar with the                          establishment.

 

     D.) This attack on the IRS came three days after an article circulating in the                   Libertarian / Tea Party Movement , specifically warning people not to be                     provoked into violence by the usual establishment provacateurs. This article was             intercepted by schills in the movement, sent off to "The Rogue Network", "The                Invisible Government" who then engineered this event.

 

     All over the world the press was alight with stories that portrayed The Tea Party , Libertarians, financial reformers as violent nutcases, many of the most prominent ended with a quote from his supposed manifesto "violence is the only answer". This is a classically obvious  Provacateured media event to portray this movement as violent, and and to justify further action against it by unwitting agencies and departments.

February 20, 2010
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freelance7 - I do not beleive that everyone in a uniform is a hero.  People in the military are just people like the rest of us.  However, is there courage and honor in volunteering to serve 2 tours in Vietnam when thousands were avoiding the draft??? YES.  Is they courage and honor in a man that was a wonderful father and faithful husband?  YES.  (and I say this because I personally know people that were friends of Vernon and his family)  He was a hero because he stood up for his country from volunteering in his community to fighting for America in a time of war.  Vernon is the person that should be remembered in this whole disgusting ordeal. 

February 20, 2010
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He should of took a step back and reevaluated his situation.

February 20, 2010
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Has anyone checked to see if Stack was a member of the John Birch Society?

February 20, 2010
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The only way to stop this is to destroy all aircraft and revoke pilots license.  Make it illegal to fly any aircraft. Its only the grotesquely rich who can afford them anyhow and they are the ones that put us in this mess in the first place.  Screw them! Statically most pilots are evil white middle class males as well, and they of course are the other cause of the down fall of the country.  Screw them too! 

February 20, 2010
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All pilots should be jailed as terrorist.  There is no security at small airports, any nut can fly one into a building.  We need to ground all planes, all pilots, for the safety of our children.  Obama save us, please, please save us!  I live in fear constantly of the evil white male pilot.

February 20, 2010
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The killing of an innocent man, whether or not he worked for the IRS, is an act of terrorism.  Stack's problems began when he lived in California.  Killing has NEVER solved anything and never will.  There are ways to work things out without killing.

February 20, 2010
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Joe Stack was a nutjob and so is anyone else who thinks his criminal act has the least bit of justification. 

February 20, 2010
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He was nothing more than a evil white middle class male, or the short form a pilot.  The ultimate symbol of oppression in America.  Power to the people!

February 20, 2010
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this is what happens when you piss off the wrong S.O.B

February 20, 2010
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Is S.O.B short for evil white middle class racist tea-party GOP member?  I just call them pilots. Jail all pilots, destroy all aircraft, power to the people!

February 20, 2010
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Isn't CNN right, shouldn't we just get rid of all aircraft? They are the voice of the people after all.  Jail all pilots, destroy all aircraft, power to the people.  More government!

February 20, 2010
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"Only violence gave us freedom from the Brits, and only violence will restore order in Washington. "

 

 

We fought the Brits over taxation without representation.  The folks taxing us our our REPRESENTATIVES.  My fellow Americans, we have a non-violent solution - Vote, speak, be heard, write your congressmen.

 

To cheer on someone on a path of death and destruction is NOT the solution.  If you know your history - those that achieve power through the means of thuggery are usually thugs when they obtain power.

February 20, 2010
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bgyako, Joe Stack was not "right on." He wasn't a "victim" of "government tyranny." His history and his own rambling screed reveal a disturbed man with a shady history of trying to cut corners, cheat the system and not abide by the law. Millions of Americans are not well-off enough to own their own company, an airplane and an expensive house as he did, yet they do not take out their hard luck or life's unfairness on others. In the final analysis, Stack is nothing but a terrorist who killed and injured fellow Americans, and there is no justification or praise due that.

February 20, 2010
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This is what happens you piss off the wrong S.O.B.

February 20, 2010
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SGTKING, you didn't get the gist of my comment at all. We are to blame for what actions result from our not doing what should be done. We allow the press to edit what we learn about our government,and what is really going on in this country. Therefore this country is full of truely uneducated people who walk around thinking that the tax system works well and that someone who would do something like that is just insane. If you sit and do nothing while you watch a man beat and rape a woman you are also to blame for what happened to her,for not stoping it. As to we are to blame for where our country is headed if we sit on our hands with our heads in the sand and not educate our neighbors of what is really going on in this country. That is what I meant and to say I am typing out of the side of my neck,I guess i'll take that as a compliment.Thanks

February 20, 2010
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SensibleJoe,pay 50% in federal taxes and learn that new laws are passed for you to have to pay more. And when the tax law which you are questioning can't be explained by even the person who introduced the Bill that was passed into law which tacks more on your taxs,well you might see a little frustration too. And owning a business and having nice things is not a reason to flat out say he was always in the wrong.I dont agree with what he did but I can see what frustrated him. But you said he was cutting corners and had a shady history. Well you must have more facts than I do on his history.If so let me know where I can get those facts from so I can check it out.I might change my mind on a couple things, Thanks

February 20, 2010
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This is what happens when you piss off the wrong S.O.B.

February 20, 2010
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So let me get this right.  Tiger Woods cheats on his wife and the nation feels he owed us an apology.  This man takes a life, destroys his wife and child's home, and endangers the public welfare, and we are supposed to feel sorry for him??  No wonder our children idolize people like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears smh.  We have to do better

February 21, 2010
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“Welcome to the Future”

To bad it didn’t happen on a weekend and is unfortunate that one person was killed and two injured, but it’s no different than going to work and being run over by a drunk driver. That’s life, Joe Stack selected his time and place to be and to do what he wanted to do, dying for a cause that he believed was the best way to draw attention to his plight, he was no coward or terrorist. R.I.P. Joe. And to call this terrorism is none sense. The definition of terrorism is:

“The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.” Who is a bigger terrorist other than our own US government? Invading countries, overturning governments, killing innocent people, causing loss of life to our own citizens and a tremendous financial burden. Everyday in this country, I feel some form of terrorism weather is from the government/state taxation, bank/wall street financial terrorism, media terrorism, immigration terrorism, judicial terrorism, healthcare/insurance terrorism etc. 

I agree with “nzgrrj” posting that, “Only violence gave us freedom from the Brits, and only violence will restore order in Washington. We fought the Brits over taxation without representation.  The folks taxing us are our REPRESENTATIVES.” I doubt that a simple vote, speak, be heard, write to congressmen approach will work. Our country is facing serious internal disorder and restlessness that ultimately we will end up in an uprising. Fighting terrorism overseas is a lost cause; the whole world is becoming our enemy. In this country, we will see more people commit acts similar to Joe Stack’s and we will see more home grown terrorism.

 

February 21, 2010
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It wasn't Joe's fault, it was the planes fault, ban all planes and pilots. Think of children. Remember planes are statistically owned by evil white racist teabagger middle class GOP member males.  Power to the oppressed peoples of the world! Obama forever! 

February 21, 2010
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After reading these posts it is very clear that there is very little knowledge of what it is like to deal with Government at all levels. If you have ever dealt with Government, you might understand what Joe Stack was saying. Believe me, you do not just make a phone call or write a letter and the Government makes things right. Even if you are truly 100% right, you probably will not see the imjustice corrected. Think about the people wrongly convicted.

 

I do not agree with Mr. Stack's methods but I think we will be seeing more of these incidents. Face it - Joe Stack is right about one thing ---   He finally got some attention by committing a violent act. The civil rights movement was going no where until a few buildings were burned and a few riots happened. The suddenly, things changed.

February 21, 2010
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No questions that Joe Stack flipped, I can see why he was so desperate to do what he did. A few years ago, I think 1999, I ran into a friend that was a great guy, husband and father. As a contractor he ran into some people that did not pay him and he was behind his IRS payments. The penalties and interest keep getting him into more and more problems and he tried to reason with the IRS and his representatives in congress and could not get anyone in the Government to listen and give him a hand. They just keep hammering at him and finally in desperation he had to sell his house and bussiness to pay the debt after his savings, checking account and credit cards were freezed. He gave what little he had to his wife, walked out into the woods and commited suicide. It was a very sad ending for someone that should have not died in the land of the free.

February 21, 2010
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this is what happens when you piss off the wrong S.O.B.

February 21, 2010
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Joe was not willing to pay about $4000 for his country to operate.  Vernon was willing (in the past) to give his life so his country could operate.  What kind of pain must someone feel to be willing to fly a plane into a building and kill people like Vernon?  Do those of you who support Joe feel that level of pain?  If so, how can you be re-united with this country?  If your only answer is that America leave you alone, how does that make US united?  Being in a democracy, being an American, is not always easy but it is ALWAYS worth the effort.  As far as I can tell, Vernon was a good man who was doing something I have (along with lots of other citizens) asked him to do.  I do not want him disrespected by people glorifying Joe because their pain feels as great as did his.  But, I also don't want you who feel that level of pain to keep feeling that sadness/ anger.  So, what would work to make you feel part of the whole again?  

February 21, 2010
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I feel so sorry for his new wife.  Her husband killed himself, her house has been burned down, and the IRS will now be going after her with a vengeance.

February 21, 2010
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To read so many people trying to make this about THEIR agendas against taxes, religion, etc, is so discouraging as well as bizarre and ironic.  The pilot was mentally ill.  He was desperate and irrational.  People do things when they are sick that don't make sense, and are a sign of their illness, not a sign that your cause celebre is being supported.  How pitiful that a person could be so ill and so desperate to harm himself or others.  And what a terrible blow to his family.

February 21, 2010
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and ps.  The irs isn't going after her 'with a vengeance'.  How can someone take the desperate act of a sick person and try to use it to trumpet their own agenda when multiple families are suffering their losses.  How cruel and how unthinking and unfeeling can people really be?

February 21, 2010
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   Anger breeds hatredthis was a perfect example. To all of you that thimk Mr' Stark is a heroI' m sorry for you. He made all the wrong choices--thought he was above the law. Then he is angry with everyone but himself. Sorry, Mr. Stark --you knew the consequences ---refused toacknowledge or accept them,  Now, thro' your selfishness --your wife % daughter are homeless! Guess what insurance won't give any payment since you didn't follow the law -arson. The legacy you've left your daughteris unconscionable.    And last but what you did to Mr. Vernon is unfair--he was not allowed to complete his life & his family   will not be allowed to enjoy his company.

February 21, 2010
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This was about more than just taxes.  Until the middle class really gets pi$$ed off, the government and the corporations they are in bed with are going to continue to take advantage of them.  Evidently it is going to take more than one plane flying into a building to get their attention, because this story isn't on page one the major media web sites.  I personally find that incredible.

February 21, 2010
February 21, 2010
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THIS IS A TERRORIST ATTACK BY A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST. WHY IS NOT THE MEDIA BLASTING THIS EVIL ACT DONE BY A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST???

 

THIS ONLY SHOWS THE HIPICROCY OF THE MEDIA, IF THIS WAS A MUSLIM OR HAD TIES WITH ISLAM THEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BIGGEST AND MOST SENSATIONAL NEWS FOR 3 MONTHS.

 

 

February 21, 2010
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First of all, this was not a terrorist attack. This guy was not a terrorist,it has nothing to do with whehter he is white or not. We all know what a terrorist attack is.  There is no hipicrocy here.  You must be a muslim. 

February 21, 2010
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This guy was not a terrorist he was a anti-tax crackpot. His problems began a long time ago and were self-inflicted and instead of taking responsibility he blames the government.  It is human nature that some of us screw up our lives and either blame God or the government. This guy blamed the government because it seems to be the popular, and easy, thing to do. There is absolutely no honor or glory in what this guy did. He was irresponsible and stupid.

And to those of you who call for a revolution: you're not talking revolution,  you are talking civil war. You have no idea what you are asking for. You have forgotten the terrible lessons of history.

 

February 21, 2010
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Well, I live in Austin and don't know anyone who was 'stunned' by this incident.  Surprised and intrigued, maybe, but not stunned.  I suppose some of the people in the building were stunned (justifiably so), but most of us here in Austin just went about our business.  We've seen and heard about lot of bad things, it would take a lot more than this to stun a Texan.

 

And please ignore the remarks made by our Police Chief Art Acevedo (and all the other officials and pundits who insisted on getting in front of the cameras immediately after the crash).  Although well-intentioned, he got a couple of things wrong:

 

1) At the time, his assurance that this was not a terrorist conspiracy was premature.  Although there was no evidence of a conspiracy, there hadn't yet been much investigation to determine that there wasn't a conspiracy.

 

2) Fear of terrorism is NOT a primary concern of Austinites.  We hardly ever think about it, and we're damn sure not going to let the prospect of terrorism affect the way we live our lives.

 

February 22, 2010
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Wow, there are still jerks here posting claims like this isn't a terrorist attack!  What are you , STUPID??  What else does it take to be a terrorist?  Flying a plane into a building used by the government in hopes that it will inspire other to rise up and start a revolution isn't terrorism?  You guys are IDIOTS.  Read the guy's suicide note if you don't believe me. Oh, wait, you won't read it becaue youre a MORON.  You want to live in a fantasy world where there is never a situation where a white christian can be called a terrorist.  Remember that the next time a white christian flies a plane into your workplace and sets your office on fire to make a 'statement' against the government. Or maybe a truck bomb in Oklahoma will jog your memory?

February 22, 2010
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I agree.. If we see more of this maybe the Gov will place some restrictions on the IRS.. They need it because they can take whatever they want.. Foreclose on older retired couples, kicking them to the streets, they take all from working stiffs barely making it, while huge corporations get away with murder, literally... What is wrong here.. It will happen again I am sure, folks are tired of them.. boston tea party may be needed again... Stop the IRS or at least limit their actions.. 

February 22, 2010

The only way everyone in this country will get it

(the government is corrupt and must change)

is if it gets nuked or attacked here on our land starting to think it may be for the best of the country, 911 didn't do much for us maybe something worse will wake us up and the two parties might work together to bring together and fix the country ( Dems and republicans )

February 24, 2010
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Two things that I have to comment on, and everyone can think what they will. In fact, I encourage feedback! The first issue, the plane bombing of the IRS. Now, I can't say by any stretch of the imagination that I agree with everything that big brother does, but why is no one calling this man what he TRULY is: A DOMESTIC TERRORIST!! How is he any different than Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma city bombing? A hero? Are you serious? He killed 2 AMERICANS, both of which served their country, and TRULY were heroes. This country has a lot of problems; and our government has even more. Crashing a plane into a building and costing innocent lives solves absolutely NOTHING. If he had been of any other race with darker skin color, or other religion, they would have already labeled him a terrorist. Second, has do with what we stand for in this country. I can disagree with what is happening in my government and even disagree with the wars that we fight AND still be proud to be an American and support every man and woman who serve to defend it-or make it better in some way. We should not need a great tragedy like 911 to show our patriotism. I can disagree with my leader and how our nation handles things, but that doesn't make me any less American. We, as a unified people, have got to stop attacking our country and attack what is WRONG in our country. There are ways to make a difference; it’s a choice that each of us have to make.

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April 17, 2010
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April 17, 2010
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April 27, 2010
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To those uneducated people such as bgyako. Have you read American history? Do you really know WHY we rose up against the British? Taxes were only a part of the equation. The British were also forcibly drafting colonists into the British military in their war against France. When was the last time your neighbor or relative was grabbed from their home and forced into the US military? The British were also forcing the colonists to house troops in their homes. Has this happened to you? The US constitution specifically prohibits these actions and also allows for us to be taxed. We are able to be taxed because we elect someone to go to DC to represent us.  If you don't like the way the IRS acts, or don't like being taxed then complain to your congressman, that is the way America works. If you don't like it, then you are more than welcome to move somewhere else where they don't have the constitutional protections we enjoy. Never forget that if wingnuts like you try to rise up against this great nation through terrorist acts such as this, then us true American Patriots will stop you. Our nation has problems, every nation does, but to condone the murder of innocent civilians is evil, plain and simple. There are better ways to make changes, such as running for office and actually doing something instead of sitting on your butt watching Fox news all day. Oh, ans read a history book.

May 20, 2010
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