Tuesday, July 27, 2010
Who is the kissing sailor?

For decades, people have wondered who the mystery sailor is kissing a nurse in the iconic photo from the World War II V-J Day celebration in Times Square. Several men have claimed to be the gutsy sailor ever since the photo was published in Life magazine in 1945.

 

iReporter Rene Armstrong is determined to set the record straight. She believes that longtime friend Glenn McDuffie is the kissing sailor. He'll tell anyone the story, can identify the other sailors in the photo, and has passed several polygraph tests on the matter, she says.

 

Armstrong submitted photos of McDuffie in his sailor uniform to CNN along with a plea to cover his story.

 

She considers McDuffie, 88, as a father figure and describes him as “a neat little guy.” She makes the long drive from her hometown of Dickinson, Texas, to Arlington, Texas, every few weeks to visit the veteran and spend time with him.

 

“I just want to give him as much happiness in life as possible,” said Armstrong. She believes that getting the word out about the photo would be a surefire way to accomplish that.

 

What do you think? Is McDuffie the unknown sailor? Share your thoughts in the comments field below.

84 Comments
July 27, 2010
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Okay....so who is the nurse?

July 27, 2010
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I think he is. But if he isn't don't tell him.

July 27, 2010
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how old is the nurse

July 27, 2010
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Even if Mr McDuffie isn't the man, at this point, what's the difference? He's 88. Let him have a little bump in his life.

July 27, 2010
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The nurse is Edith Shain.  She just passed away last month at age 91.

July 27, 2010
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Edith Shain has long been considered the nurse. She died last month of cancer. That's why I remember her.

July 27, 2010
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Who cares?

July 27, 2010
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Hey it's possible. Good luck to them both!

July 27, 2010
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Their are far more important things in the world to be talking and hearing about on the news instead of who this guy is/was. for example, the wal-mart right down the street from my office just had a hastage situation, where a woman was stabbed. just food for thought

July 27, 2010
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Geeze aks21, maybe you should look into this a little.   You know, History?  USA?  WWII?  People fought for something and rejoiced when the battle was over!  This is/was an iconic photo that captured the moment, and the hearts of this nation. 

July 27, 2010
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maybe so, but i dont want to see this, or a story about bedbugs on the front page of CNN, when  the public should be informed about REAL news. this, oh, this is just entertainment. its a WWII picture vs. a womans life because of a hostage situation in Yorktown VA's Walmart. you tell me what is more important. and mind you, if you actually think that a picture is more important, thane you really should get your priorities straight.

July 27, 2010
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aks21 has a point.  after all, there isn't enough room on the web for this story AND his/her local story too.

 

end of sarcasm.

July 27, 2010
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my point is this: does this really warent front page news on CNN?

July 27, 2010
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Di0

But, if the nurse was known and died only few months ago, how could she possibly never know the name, remember the face or even not get a hold on the guy she kissed, not even when faced with people claiming to be that same guy in the years to follow the picture.

What was she on, Rohypnol?

July 27, 2010
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You never know who someone is out there. And if this makes him happy then he deserves it. After all he has probley seen out in the world, let him have his moment. And why not write a story on this. For the simple fact of all the bad news out there today. Why can't we have a nice story something to make us smile, stop, and think there is someone happy out there.

July 27, 2010
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My point is, you appear to be a whiny curmudgeon with nothing better to do than try to dictate what we - who don't live in Yorktown - should or shouldn't find interesting.

 

 

July 27, 2010
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Di0, i agree completely, for the following reason, and i quote "He'll tell anyone the story, can identify the other sailors in the photo, and has passed several polygraph tests on the matter, she says." Emphasize on the she says part. anyone can SAY. anyone can make up a story and have it told.

July 27, 2010
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I say, let him be officially named the sailor in the picture! It's one of my favorite pictures from the war, and he's in Arlington (hometown loyalty).

July 27, 2010
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@TexInVa,

 

She just died.  I forget her name, but it was only like a month ago so you should be able to easily find it.

July 27, 2010
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aks21 -

 

I think it's sad that you obviously have no room in your life for both the negative and the uplifting.  Yes, the hostage situation warrants front page news.  Most definitely!  And I certainly hope that the hostage is safe.  But there is something to be said for a bit of news that is uplifting and heartfelt too.  Perhaps putting a smile on this man's face warrants the front page, as well.  We could all use a smile now and then.

July 27, 2010
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aks21......I am sure a lot of people tell the story of being somewhere marking history. Or of importance is the act of sharing stories. It's a pretty common thing through time.

July 27, 2010
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aks21 - I heard that if you follow the chain of ownership, that ultimately all media in the US is controlled by 5 people, and that they decide how much of the real news we get.

 

I tend to believe this, and I'm not surprised we aren't getting all of the real news. Come one now - what we see on the news is carefully controlled.

July 27, 2010
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awesome!

July 27, 2010
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Jessica, because news is news. Whats going on out their, is bad. people are bad. i dont want to get on a news website and see that they found out who was in a picture that doesnt impact any of our lives except for his and hers. ya, maybe it is his moment, but i doesnt need to be hyped up to a national level.

 

svs, im not trying to dictate anything, again, all i am saying is there is way more important things to be informed about than who was in a picture that was taken years ago. lets say someone kills someone in your family, would you try to make it public, or keep it locked away? if that made the news, you would be in my position, you wouldnt care about weather or not they figured out who was in a picture. and not even so much as a family member, but someone in your community. maybe you knew the person. can you honestly tell me that this story is more important than that?

July 27, 2010
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aks21 load a colt 45 and shoot yourself... period.

July 27, 2010
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aks21:  You have now spent 25 minutes on this incredibly "un-newsworthy" story as of this writing.  Feel free to move on to you local news page anytime now.

 

Just sayin.'

July 27, 2010
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Oh, and by the way, spell-check is built right into the comment panel.  You might want to do something about all of those dotted red lines before you post.

 

Just a thought.

July 27, 2010
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God Ivan yes! Now I dont mean to be mean but I know I have my bitter moments and pretty jaded about the world and people but just wow! Thats amazing. And really sad. People such that thrive and live on drama and sadness of others. Just amazing really. I think that for someone to think as this way in life has got to be depressing and hard for anyone truly around them.

July 27, 2010
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How cool!

July 27, 2010
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That picture became a symbol for the end of the war.  To many people, that picutre was of national importance, aks21.  It's an icon as much as the Statue of Liberty is.  For the men and women who lived through it, it meant something.  It meant that the war was over and you could finally celebrate again.

July 27, 2010
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Nice AKS21 - did you ever stop to think that the media recognizes the attention that is given to an act  sometimes drives future acts of the same nature.  In answer to your question, it seems it does warrant front page attention, it has prompted 20 readers to blog about it and it seems like it got a positive response. BTW - research WWII and see how many people died - you might then see some value of a person smiling and kissing to celebrate the end of the ordeal.

July 27, 2010
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@ivanorlando:  Wonder if THAT would be newsworthy? ;)

July 27, 2010
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aks21: First of all, if you're going to complain at least use proper english and spell correctly. Secondly, this was a picture that impacted a nation so yes, I would consider it to be national news. I'm sorry to hear about the hostage situation and all but does that truly effect everyone in the country?

July 27, 2010
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Ask21: Maybe you should learn what NEWS means before making your comment (I'll give you a hint, it's an acronym).

 

Once you learn why it's called that, you may have an understanding. And for the record.. if you've ever noticed, much like NEWS papers (again going back to it's meanings), the front page has sections that story would go under one of those sections. Look at the headings as you scroll around "Technology" "Weather" "Sports", etc.

 

Learn the meaning of NEWS before you try and dictate to others what it is.

July 27, 2010
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aks21,

 

This picture become part of our American history. It represented an important chapter of our lives as Americans. For you to disregard it the way you do is very disturbing. It is news. It is relevant. You're right about a lot of "bad" things happening in the world around us. That is why stories like this are even more important. They remind us of positives aspects of our American experience. Remember that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. WW2 is something I would never want this world to repeat. So shut up and educate yourself a little about what's important to Americans!

 

July 27, 2010
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Di0, the nurse did not know his name.  There were spontaneous celebrations that day (V-J day).  She stated that the soldier just grabbed her and kissed her in the midst of his joy.  She didn't know him and he didn't know her and they never saw each other again. 

July 27, 2010
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I think he is the young man in the picture, why not?

I'm happy to read this story on CNN, I'm sick and tired of the crappy news about war, murders, floods, oil, politic's.  Its nice to read something sweet for a change.

July 27, 2010
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Some people are worried about this being news worthy? Hello! CNN talks about everything else besides the news. The Jersey Shore cast rings the NYSE bell?? Oh yeah, everyone needs to know about that. The new iPhone has problems, stop the presses for that one. They will put on the front page what ever is popular with the masses. Has nothing to do with being informative or news worthy.

July 27, 2010
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aks21

 

If this isn't news worthy, don't read it instead of sitting on here and tearing this article apart. Obviously you don't understand the importance of the military or US history. This image of hope and the end of so much suffering must not mean a single thing to you so move on to your next "news worthy" article.

July 27, 2010
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People are poo-pooing this story as not important and that CNN should be reporting things of more "meaning". Well two points to make. 1) You folks saying that cared enoungh about the story and make a comment.2)Sure this isn't whatr you would call "hard", or "Breaking" news. It is a public interest story. People NEED these type of stories to take them away from the daily bullsh!t that they see on a daily basis. Can't we just look at this story and see it as a nice story about a sweet old guy? Oh and buy the way, If he says it's him. I say why not!

July 27, 2010
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I'm the guy in the picture, that man is a fraud, I'm suing

July 27, 2010
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This is a cute and uplifting story. News doesn't need to be negative.

 

aks21, please get a life and a grammar book.

July 27, 2010
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aks21, please learn how to spell before you comment.

July 27, 2010
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aks21: if this doesnt really matter to you then why did you read it in the first place? go to your local news chanel and watch the coverage on the walmart situation if its that much of interests to you.

July 27, 2010
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Pete2013 - While we're on the subject of correct spelling, in this case the word is "affect," not "effect."  Look it up in your Funk and Wagnall's.

July 27, 2010
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aks21 - I bet that old sailor would read your best story and not complain.  And I bet your story doesn't have much to do with anything important ... like, say, VJ Day.  You're a dope. 

July 27, 2010
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aks21, Im a service member. I am a Marine and read the news every single day. I agree the bed bug story is somthing that doesnt need to be on the front page. But if your so keen to want news then you must read alot as well. So with that, arent you tired of reading all these horrible things that are going on in the world? I am, for instance my two brothren in arms in Afgan, one killed the other captured. I feel for the women who was stabbed, that is awfull, but bad news isnt the only kind of news. Try reading somthing a little more bright and shiny once in a while. Evil may be every were but its not everything. This is really a post for every to read.(and before anyone comments, I fight wars for a living not teach grammer, so yes I know Im a horrible speller.)

July 27, 2010
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OMG, OMG, OMG this is like so cool. In other news 7-11 announces the release of 3 new taquito flavours.

July 27, 2010
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Go for it - if it wasn't him, the other guy's probably dead by now

July 27, 2010
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He better be careful, in this f  ked up society someone feminist man hater might try to hang a rape charge on him. Without a doubt if a modern day sailor tried this that's what would happen.

July 27, 2010
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aks21: eye really think ewe halve a point hear. This news story is simply knot important at awl.  Also, who cares what these other guise say, rite?  Eye mean, its knot like the man in the story could possibly bee Anne important person from history!  Only news stories that talk about wore, illness, politics, sports, and murders our important...everyone nose that.  And most importantly of all: spell check has know friends...just like awl the idiots who bad mouthed your post.  Who even uses spell check anyway???  Your the most smart person on this thread.  Bar nun.

 

Seriously, aks21, get a grip.  How could you possibly put posts up that look like they were written by a six year old?  Are you six?  Maybe so.  But in my book, you simply lose all credibility when you can't use "there" or "whether" correctly.  I mean, would you read a newspaper that wrote that way?  I hope not.  Grow up and learn the term "public interest piece" and/or "feature story."

July 27, 2010
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aks21- I understand your point.  It’s important to you.  However, it's nice to read something that doesn't have to deal with a child missing in Oregon, abducted from a camp site, heads on stick in Mexico, thousands of lost jobs in the gulf cause of an oil spill.  We need upbeat from time to time

July 27, 2010
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TrustGod81 - also an dope with no perspective.  Now get down to 7-11 and eat your lunch.

July 27, 2010
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Di0

Oh well, I guess this means Clint Eastwood, after "Flags of our Fathers" and "Letter from Iwo Jima", will now do "Kisses from Arlington"

July 27, 2010
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The oldest Craigslist missed connections post.

July 27, 2010
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If he is, great - if he is not who cares, he represents

"Joe Every Sailor" and that's all that matters

July 27, 2010
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News can be good. If you don't like a story then don't read it. Aks21 has commented on this story over and over. for a story that shouldn't be (in his or her thinking) even in the news, he or she, has spent a lot of time writing and thinking about it.

July 27, 2010
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For everyone who is being negative nancy's on this post, shame on you! A) Let his man have his happiness and let us remember this wonderful icon of American joy. B) If it wasn't worth reporting why did you spend the time to read it and then login to comment on it. And finally, C) There is always so much news of negativity in the world that it's nice to read some heartwarming fun news!

July 27, 2010
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Man, some people spend a lot of effort being mean to each other behind the safety of their computer screens.

 

I thought this was a cute story. Who knows if that's really him. I can't imagine they'd ever really be able to prove it.

July 27, 2010
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Whoever the man in the photo is, it is a great photograph that captures the emotion (and spontaneity!) of that particular day. May that photo live forever in the history books as a symbol of the end of the war.

July 27, 2010
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Well you can tell what generation some people are from!!  That is not even my generation but i know what the sacrafices those people gave for me to be able to be in the Military today and enjoy the freedoms I have.  The fact that there aren't very many WWII veterans left is a huge point and something so small as what appears to be a "stolen" welcome home kiss, is reveered as an iconic photo.  But someone else wants to down it for something that is happening right around the corner from them.  Maybe if these soldiers/seamen wouldn't have done the things they had, maybe you would be speaking Japanese right now.  THINK OF BIGGER THAN JUST YOU!!

July 27, 2010
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Living here in the flat lands of Kansas we are always the last to know - anything going on in Yorktown VA today?

July 27, 2010
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I love reading anything about the greatest generation.  In the 60s they were known as establishment pigs, which is ironic, considering those hippies grew up to elect Reagan and redefine establishment pigs during the 80s to a pinnacle of greed and callousness that no one could have imagined.  We condemned the greatest generation to spend their golden years with little financial security, and a horrible healthcare system, that will get fixed soon, because now it affects the boomers.  It won't happen in time for the greatest generation who sacrificied everything.  I'm not always a huge fan of irony...

July 27, 2010
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aks21, many men fought and died to allow you the right to say stupid things. Forgetting what these brave young men did should never happen and reliving the celebration that brought about an end to a war won by the "Greatest Generation" is something I would love to see more of.

You sound as if you're an illegal that has no concept of what being an American is all about.

July 27, 2010
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Go Navy... Just got out of the Navy after serving 3 years... And my girl is an RN... What a coincidence lol

July 27, 2010
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I am a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom (CPL 2003, US Army). If someone doesn't like this heartwarming story, and prefers to focus on a Wal-Mart "HOSTAGE" incident and that person can't even properly spell "HOSTAGE", then SIGN THE DOTTED LINE AND GO OVER THERE AND MAKE YOUR OWN HEADLINES. Kudos for a small reporter bringing something this pleasant to light in such times of turmoil.

July 27, 2010
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@aks21:  You're right!!  I would MUCH rather hear about Mel Gibson and Lindsey Lohan!!  Come on, if all you want to hear is trash, watch ET and the nightly news.  Sometimes we could use some good news...history is much more educating and interesting. 

BTW, my late father served in WWII...GO NAVY. 

Maybe you would rather be speaking German.

You're an idiot.

July 27, 2010
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@aks21:  Oh, and learn how to spell or shut up.

July 27, 2010
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@AKS21: You really need to be a little educated to respond to something like this.  Spelling helps - maybe you have a 3rd grade education?  Third graders rarely get my attention when responding to something like this.  Go back to SCHOOL and learn to SPELL - then when you speak or type, someone with a brain might listen. 

July 27, 2010
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Anyway, I agree with post asking the purpose of this article.  Maybe CNN could be avant garde and post a blank article and have us comment, be the same as this.

July 27, 2010
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Don't give a crap. All I know is that I'm going out to have some driks and get laid. Hello!

July 27, 2010
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DRINKS!!!!!!!!

 

July 27, 2010
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@flimia123:  are you my ex?  LOL

July 27, 2010
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I was good friends with the nurse, Edith Shain.  She would say she "didn't know who the sailor was because her eyes were closed!" 

 

Edith had a file at home of the sailors who had written to her over the years, and honestly, they are all very good contenders.  "I was the sailor, look at my hairline... I was the sailor, I had the star tatoo on my hand... I wore my watch on my right hand and had a tanline"

 

I remember when she received Patrick's and thought he really could have been the sailo and she loved his sincere letter very much.

 

I met the contender, Carl Muscarello in Times Square with Edith for the 60 year anniversary of VJ Day.  We went to go see a play afterwards.  That was awesome.  He was so cool, but very tall, and mind you, Edith was only 4'8". 

 

Regardless of who the sailor really is, the picture represents the end of a war. 

July 27, 2010
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Oh, for cryin' in the sink!  So let's all have a little fun, eh?

 

This is probably the guy, but I would need to see the pic really close and blown up.  You can tell alot by his hands (then and now), also his hairline on the sides, is it the same? Estimate the height, etc.  I don't think the nurse knew him, it was spontaneous flirtery!

July 27, 2010
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aks21: A society that loses respect of its past produces immoral scum stabbing shoppers at WalMarts.

 

Can you make that connection?

July 27, 2010
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I would like to suggest that CNN interview Glenn McDuffie on V-J day as part of the Solute To Troops segment with Robin.  Glenn has been forensically verified as the sailor in the iconic picture taken at the end of WWII.

Glenn was verified in August 2007 by Lois Gibson as the only person who forensically matches that famous picture.  Please go to:

www.loisgibson.com/kissing_sailor.asp

Glenn recently lost one of his legs and as we all know, we are loosing our WWII veterans at an alarming rate.  It would be wonderful to honor him in this way and I know it would bring a smile to his face.  I have befriended Glenn and try to get him as much publicity as possible because he brings a smile on everyone's face as soon as they realize he is the sailor in the now infamous picture of the kiss in Times Square.

Let's bring a little "sunshine" into Glenn's life by having Robin and Glenn reainact the iconic picture for your viewers to enjoy!

Rene' Armstrong

You see... Rene' is my wife... and that's the rest of the story.

July 27, 2010
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@asks21 If it weren't for men like him you wouldn't be able to talk nonsense like you're doing.That's why you should care idiot! 

July 28, 2010

I'm sure he's the one! Looks like it to me!

July 30, 2010
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Well let me just start with I know the REAL kissing sailor and this person is NOT him. I have the real photos and articles from the REAL kissing sailor, I am VERY upset that this person will come forward now and try to claim to be the kissing sailor. It's very upsetting that this person would come forward now that the REAL nurse Edith has passed away. This is VERY uncalled for and the REAL kissing sailor's name is Carl and he is one amazing man. He has been out about being the kissing sailor for years now so there is no reason that this person should even think about doing this. It's a disgrace and I am very disgusted. Do you even think what you may be doing to the REAL kissing sailor?? I guess not you just wanted credit that you do not deserve. Oh and now that Edith has passed,rest her soul, you cannot even go prove it like she did with Carl by asking him questions that ONLY he would know. This is a BIG disgrace and makes me sick.

July 30, 2010
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Chrilstina - There is more to the story than what you might know.  It is amazing that you would question Glenn being the "REAL" kissing sailor when he has been forensically verified by the top forensic artist in the world, solving more cases than any other person.  Somewhere between 10-15 individuals have stepped forward throughout the years and claimed to be the one.  Lois Gibson (www.loisgibson.com) took measurements from ALL of the photos available of those who have claimed and because of a cranial deformity, only Glenn met this requirement plus he has passed 10 polygraph tests.  The only reason why Glenn did not step forward immediately after the famous picture was posted was because he was shipped out the next day and didn't even know the picture was published.  Edith has contacted Glenn in the past.  Because she would not take a polygraph test and because others have also claimed to be the nurse, he had his doubts.

 

Did Carl know the other two sailors in the photograph?  Funny coincidence that they were in the same unit as Glenn and he can identify them, including their hometowns and stories that match.

 

Sorry this has been so upsetting to you, but let the facts speak for themselves.

August 19, 2010
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aks21 you idiot!!!  comparing the end of WWII to an incident at your local walmart is asinine.  You need a lesson in US History.  Make friends with one of the very few WWII veterans left and learn something. You owe your very existence to them

August 22, 2010
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ask21....where to start....World War Two (thats what WWII stands for) was a very important part of the history of the world. This picture they are talking about, was taken when the men came home. Oh, and this is the Ireport section, the actual news stories that you are referring to are at cnn.com. Not ireport.cnn.com See the difference there?

 

 

And I agree, he has a lot of proof that says he's the guy, and I don't believe anyone else has been so verified.

August 22, 2010
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It pretty much dumbfounds me when people comment that there are other stories that are more worthy of being "news". Like this is a paper, with limited space, and by this being available to read, something else isn't. Do people really think that??

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