Monday, August 16, 2010
Passions flare over mosque near Ground Zero

 

Plans to build what developers say will be an Islamic Center that includes a mosque near the site of Ground Zero, site of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, have drawn controversy and protests across the United States. We've seen several iReports on the issue from all over -- proving that the debate extends far beyond lower Manhattan.

 

iReporter Jonathan Bennett set out to find out what residents thought of the mosque in another town called Manhattan -- located in northeastern Kansas. He found several young adults who were passionate about the issue and willing to share their thoughts on camera.

 

"I wanted to know what America thought, at least in my area," said Bennett, who says he loves to talk to others about current events and idolizes television host Jon Stewart. "People had a lot to say."

 

Let's keep the debate going. Where do you stand on this issue? Share your thoughts on the mosque in the comments field below or -- better yet -- on camera. And, if you're feeling especially inquisitive, follow Bennett's lead and see what people in your community have to say.

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August 16, 2010
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We (the people) that live in the United States all benefit from the same rights and protection that our Constitution allows us to have.  It is our religious right to practice our beliefs without oppression from our government or citizens, just as long as our beliefs do not endanger others in our society.  With this said I believe everything (or anything)in our society should be done with good taste and respect.  The Muslim religion (in general) should be aware that any actions regarding the World Trade Center (Ground Zero) and its location should be done adequately with respect to the community and state government.  I don’t see how useful a Mosque will be in the Downtown area of Manhattan, but instead this action allows any/all religious institutions to act without sympathy to our neighbors and fellow citizens.  To date; Ground Zero has affected all our lives; and the 9/11 attacks has caused fear for the majority of the New Yorkers that travel, work and reside in this area.  I would hope any follower of the Muslim religion (or any religion)supporting this action would first take steps to sympathize with the residents of lower Manhattan. 

August 16, 2010
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The people defending the mosque use the false argument that it represents tolerance.  We are being forced to tolerate them.  And yet, they can't even tolerate a cartoon.  Many people were killed over a cartoon that offended them.   We have to wait on lines at all airports because they can't tolerate modern civilization.  It's an insult to common sense, a mockery of reason, and insanity to even consider this request.  I don't understand why so many people on the left find this acceptable.

 

 

Homosexuals, adulterers, and probably just jay walkers get stoned to death and yet our supposed superior intelligentsia support this idea.  What are they teaching in school these days?  A quick look at Cordoba would show that was the beginning of the Muslim world conquering Europe.  Choosing this name for this center is no coincidence and anyone with half a brain would see that they are telling their friends who danced in the streets the world over on 911 that they are conquering us and our professors are helping them.

 

August 16, 2010
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As if the U.S. was one to talk about homosexual rights.

August 16, 2010
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While freedom of religion is a right for each American Citizen....I am disgusted by the lack of patriotism our very own President actively demonstrated by his vocal support for building this mosque.  As Eric602 commented "everything in our society should be done with good taste and respect."  How can anyone including President Obama justify building a mosque in downtown Manhattan as demonstrating respect for all those who paid the ultimate cost?  Supporting a memorial is a proper way to demonstrate respect and patriotism....building a mosque is the most abhorrent idea ever.  My apologizes to all those who experienced personal loss in 9/11 and my apologizes to all those who deserve to be treated with respect and loyalty by their own President....I am sorry he & his administration have failed you.  Just remember we the people have the power through voting to make changes.

August 16, 2010
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Biomata,

 

How many homosexuals were stoned to death in the U.S.?  Where do you live.  I live near Hollywood and the gay community is flourishing and not living in fear.  What perspective are you referring to?  That they can't get married?  Being single is better than being buried in the sand up to your neck and having rocks thrown at your face until death.  Or maybe you disagree??

August 16, 2010
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not only should there be no mosque, we should start rounding up these muslim neaderthals and either deport or even better execute them.  burn down all the mosques - let's erase any sign of this outdated, failed ideology

August 16, 2010
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We agree that fanatical Muslims attacked New York on September 11.  However, there is a problem in attaching that label to all Muslims.  If we say that all Muslims should not have a Mosque near the place of attack because of the actions of a few, that leads to another, just as confusing, conclusion.  Because Timothy McVeigh was an avowed Christian, then Oklahoma City should not allow any Christian church in close proximity to the Federal Building that he attacked.  Neither argument makes sense.

August 16, 2010
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Put the word "Islamaphobia" aside for a moment.  Now reverse this role:  Would Muslims care for a synagogue or a megachurch to be built within sight of the Kaaba (in Mecca?)  Of course not, because the proximity to their hallowed ground is too close.  Why can't they respect New Yorkers hallowed ground (Obama's words, byt the way) the way they want to be respected.  I see a double standard.  A piggishly fat one. 

August 16, 2010
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There are constitutional rights and then there are moral obligations. The two should go hand in hand but not necessarily and especailly not so in this case.

The Muslims have the constitutional right to build a mosque where they want to and also, by our standards, an unwritten moral obligation to respect our dead.

As the Muslims have partaken of the constitutional rights and do not seem willing to respect the morals we would respect ordinarily, we are left to wonder what kind of human beings are these?

For a close parallel, think of how it might have been if the Japanese asked to build a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor. But they never did and so one could infer the Japanese share our views of morality.

You may draw your own conclusions here, I know what mine are.

 

 

August 16, 2010
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There is a difference between President Obama saying it was the people's First Amendment right to practice their religion to build a Mosque in Downtown Manhattan (this statement is true)m and thinking that it's a good idea.

August 16, 2010
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Some of the opposition might have less to do with their supposed argument against "dishonoring the victims', and perhaps more to do with hostility towards ANYTHING Islamic.

August 16, 2010
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When this "muslim cultural center" opens to all faiths, try entering and speaking about Jesus Christ as your point of view.

August 16, 2010
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As a straight, white, conservative leaning male who happens to live in Manhattan, you'd think that I would be opposed to the Mosque. But in reality all we're doing by making this an issue is creating further division... an "us and them" mentality.  These people are American citizens, entitled to the same rights as the rest of us (more rights if you're gay).  Lately I'm seeing far too many Americans that forget this country is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. A lot of you come off like it's the home of the scared and free, but only if you're straight and white and were born here. 

 

Put yourself in their shoes, if some whacko Christian or Jew smashed a plane into one of their buildings, wouldn't you be a little put off if all of a sudden you were labeled a hate mongering anti-patriot for wanting to erect a religious building dedicated toward peace and tolerance a few blocks away? 

 

This argument in itself is ridiculous, people are now using it as a means to attack our President who tries to remind people they have the constituional right to do whatever they please.  All we're doing is giving the extremists more fuel for the fire.  When this mosque is built, and mark my words it will be built, we should all definitely expect some Taliban a-hole to say something about how they've established a beach head at the 9-11 memorial and bla bla scatter in some zionist anti-christ nonsense.  He's saying those things to get you fired up, so you play into his hand and perpetuate the cycle of hate and intolerance that lets these people thrive.  Don't give in, it's the oldest trick in the book.

 

Oh, also it turns out Muslims were killed in the 9-11 attacks too, and I'm not talking about the jerks on the planes.  But apparently only the Christians and Jews count, therefore only their houses of worhip can be built in close proximity.

August 16, 2010
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do you think saudi arabia would allow us to buid a christian church in mecca????i think not!!

August 16, 2010
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"do you think saudi arabia would allow us to buid a christian church in mecca????i think not!!"

 

So the argument would be that we should be as intolerate then??

 

August 16, 2010
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@diggum12: maybe you'd best not speak for all Muslims as I'm sure some wouldn't care at all.  Their governments on the other hand wouldn't allow construction of a church to happen, but America is supposed to be better than that.  Let's not follow their lead on this one.

August 16, 2010
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Just a thought, but how many blocks away is far enough?  It's a pretty small island.

August 16, 2010
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The hate and vilification that abounds in the comments above are totally abhorant.  To say that because one Muslim is a terrorist then all Muslims are terrorists is no different than saying that if one white man is a skin head, then all white men are skin heads.  In this country we have a legal dictum that states that one can not be found guilty by association.  Until we as Americans can uphold our own ideals and laws, no one in another other country can possibly respect us as a nation.  America IS tolerance.  America IS a nation of immigrants. America IS a nation of helping the poor and underpriveledged. America IS a land of with freedom of religion...for those reasons and MANY more, America IS the greatest nation ever known on the face of the earth.

 

And Lynn54997, you don't listen very well. Obama clearly elucidated the fact that he was NOT saying that the Muslims SHOULD build a mosque there, he only "justified" it in terms of the American Constitution. He clearly stated that they have a constitutional right to do so. That is his role as President of the United States...to uphold the laws and Constitution.  Read the Constitution.... you may learn something new.  Can you show me WHERE in the constitution it is unconstitutional for them to build a mosque at that sight?  I'm not saying the should, I'm not saying it would be OK for them to do so, but I AM saying it is their constitutional RIGHT to do so so they adhere to all other laws, codes and agreements.

August 16, 2010
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Dear Anabeth5,

You make a sane very hard to refute argument. In a nice world I would agree with you completely. However, when you see Muslims blowing each other up every day on CNN in various countries, our tolerance for this insanity should be zero and as bad as this sounds, there is almost nothing we could do to stop it here once they really get rolling.  The good Muslims will not be able to help us.  Just as the good Germans were not able to prevent 20 million people getting killed in WW II.  So far we've gotten lucky and stopped the underwear bomber and the times square bomber.  The Fort Hood Muslim terrorist mass murderer crept through the cracks.  Luck shouldn't be our strategy and our current administration seems to have a hard time even saying the word Muslim terrorist.  There are many Muslim countries, many do not tolerate Christianity.  It appears by their actions through out the world that their religion is a method for subjugation with extreme violence once their population gets to a certain level.  If you look at Islams actions throughout the world it's difficult to think that this is a peaceful religion.

August 16, 2010
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I think the mosque already exists there, all they wanted to do is build a cultural center... So what are we going to do if it already exists there??

August 16, 2010
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The location of a mosque in Manhattan is a non-issue for anyone who believes in the tenets this country was founded on.  It continues to amaze me how unAmerican some people who present themselves as good Americans are.  The "Tea Party" movement is an insult to our history and those Americans in our past who have taken truly patriotic stands.

August 16, 2010
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Legacy 1683,

 

It appears you've been watching too much Keith Oberman.  The tea party stands for less government waste.  Since you brought up America's founding, I'm sure you realize the main concept was self reliance, not a communist system of government hand outs designed to get the corrupt politician voted back into office every 4 years.  The tea party stands against the slavery that our politicians have spent us into.

August 16, 2010
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

This is how the Constitution/Bill of Rights addresses freedom of religion.  It does not guarantee the right to build a mosque anywhere.  It just guarantees that no one will be persecuted for their beliefs and that they can gather and pursue any religious belief they choose.

 

Where in the Constitution does it provide for the right to make people uncomfortable and fearful in their homeland?  I was there on 9/11 and I grabbed my fiance and ran for our lives as the buildings came down.  The fear that day was a fear I had never known and one I will never forget. I am definitely an 'Islamophobe' but don't think I take pride in being one because being phobic of anything is abhorrent to me.

 

I heard a rumor that if the mosque is built by 'Ground-Zero' they are putting a gay-men's bar and a strip club there.  Good.  Let them shove it in the faces of those who shove their beliefs down the throats of Americans and see how they feel.

 

August 16, 2010
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BillNYC

 

Great post, and it's not a rumor.  It's a joke by Greg Gutfeld but you never know, maybe he'll actually do it.

August 16, 2010
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I guess these days freedom of religion means "Freedom to choose your own flavor of christianity"

According to the logic presented as to why a Muslim cultural center should not be built, every catholic church that is within several blocks of a child that was molested by a priest should be torn down, or every christian mega-mart church who's head pastor was snorting crank while banging gay male hookers should be torn down so it doesn't offend the people around it.

That sound about right?

August 16, 2010
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The best memorial at ground zero would be a Mosque next to a Christian Church next to a Synagogue next to a Buddhist Temple next to a Hindu Temple and in the center a multi-cultural center where all of the worshipers and others could come and pay their respects and worship. We should build love and understanding out of what hate distroyed. 

August 16, 2010
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those who are opposing masjid are WESTERN TALIBAN.

oh wait its not a masjid but there is a place for worship

August 16, 2010
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Reminder: some of the people that want to build this center are Americans. 

August 16, 2010
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MEIOW -

 

Just curious how you label those who stand up for what they belive in, those feelings based on empiricism and not conjecture, as 'Taliban.'

 

 

August 16, 2010
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BQsauce - Then there must be $$ being made...

August 16, 2010
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Well, what are we thinking? Religious tolerrance, good.  Then let us start building a comman christian prayer house in Mecca, which will show the people all over the world how GOOD muslims are.  By building a Mosque in downn town Manhattan, muslims are not showing anything good, rather talking an opportunity to build the prayer house in a famous place.

August 16, 2010
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258 of those killed in the towers were American Muslims. We were attacked that day and suffered just as the rest of humanity did.  Worse, since then we have been attacked and our faith smeared with lies by our own country.  9-11 had nothing to do with Islam. Muslim were not dancing the streets, "Taliban" "Alqaida" to not represent the faith of the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims.

August 16, 2010
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Well, it is not the mulisms or the president that is sitting on local government and council and said yes they can build, it's new york own. Why aren't anyone talking about them. Apparently, money speaks louder than 9/11 after all. I honestly don't care if they build or not, America is America, so everyone preach freedom, freedom, freedom, and if they are here legal, let them build because of FREEDOM! Cannot compare it to other countries, because we are not other countries that is what makes us unique.

August 16, 2010
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I have read a lot about this and it is simple to me, no way should that mosque go up. There are many muslims, duh not all, that are looking forward to building a sacred site to worship. They are making a shrine to terrorists. While the people building this mosque may not feel the same way, many muslims do. They are intending to use it as a destination. I believe in freedom of religion. But this is not a safe thing for Americans to allow without a fight.

August 16, 2010
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Black and white the point you are making is absurd at the least, Mecca is not America and does not have our laws or our values nor our freedoms and rights.

Just because we have freedom of religion on our shores does not mean we have the right to impose freedom of religion on other cultures

August 16, 2010
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Always2sides -

 

I would tend to agree with you and that is what makes this such a terrible situation.  But there is no clear way to distinguish between radicals and non-radicals and since we are dealing with a not-insignificant portion of the Muslim population that is fundamental and radical (and hopeful of killing me), it is simply safer for me (and my family) to avoid all contact with Muslims.  As I have said earlier, I take no pleasure in being an 'Islamaphobe', especially in the country and city in which I was born and raised.  I view this as a failure of humanity.

 

August 16, 2010
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There is no reason to have a mosque at or near ground zero. They could build a mosque several blocks away or miles away and it would not make the eveninig news. The only, and I mean ONLY, reason to do this is to hurt America.

August 16, 2010
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Respect in this country left a long time ago. It is preached, do whatever makes you feel good, you are your own person, forget God,etc... so they are doing what they feel like doing thats building a mosque... Why change now? Also, what is everyone afraid of? How can people be afraid of a mosque but not afraid of the God who created us and who has power over all. I don't understand it. People put more energy into this stuff but if we spent as much time praying and asking God for wisdom and to bless our land maybe we will not be dealing with an issue like this today. Who knows, maybe this will be a good time and place to show them Jesus, maybe some hearts can change.

August 16, 2010
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I've seen a lot of people play the religious intolerance card in the arguments above.  You would think that we were out there in the streets burning down every Mosque in the country.  On the other hand, I didn't see any sense of perspective though.  From the Muslim point of view this has nothing to do with religious freedom, they have plenty of it in this country, but they know they can get the intelligent left to fall for it.  Personally, with the track record of Islam, I don't want them doing to America what they've done to Europe, but all that is being asked is to move the Mosque further away from the proposed site.  And our left is carrying on like we're out there blowing up their children.  Oh wait, they do that all the time to their kids, and not even a cry of child abuse from the left.

August 16, 2010
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The last time I looked, Mecca was not located within the United States. I don't care what they do there. If we ban Muslims from building a center there, where does it end? Jews not wanting a church built near a temple because Hitler was a Christian? Christians not wanting a temple built near a church because the Japanese who attacked Pearl Harbor were Buddhists? It is small-minded, fear-mongering people like those who support banning this center that gave rise to Hilter in Germany. Dozens of Muslim/Americans died on 9/11 who were NOT terrorists, including a 23-year-old New York paramedic. What would you say to them?

August 16, 2010
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nice to see the media inflaming this situation by constantly lying about "the mosque at ground zero"...IT"S NOT =>AT<= GROUND ZERO!!!

 

it's typical, noticing the same myopic opposition perpetrate their ignorances and lies.

they need to be re-educated.

 

"...the tea party stands for less government waste. " yea, right....i bet these teabaggers are the same "conservatives" that voted for bush in 1999 and 2003...we ALL know how that went down...their voting record cannot be trusted.

...the completely  numb, memory  lapsed folks that fell under bushes' spell were probably the same ones goose-stepping when initial and erroneous reports were; that it was middle easterners that destroyed the Murrah federal building...

 

teabagging partiers are a pox on modern civilisation.

 

August 16, 2010
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"They are making a shrine to terrorists" very true, not because they want a place to worship... they can worship anywhere.. why... to show they can take freedom away and then make their own place of worship... then now everyone looses their freedom... becase only muslims are allowed in there.  True, they are americans... but thy can not tolerate any other muslims even if they are american..(if you do not agree with me) please show me freedom they enjoy here as women or children?  Men can do anything not women, be here here in usa or other countries....

August 16, 2010
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How do you all know they are making a shrine for terrorists? Why are you so worried about losing freedom? No one can take what God gave us, a freedom of choice. I think FEAR is the root of all this. Can we just have Faith that something good will come out of this? They have been approved to build, so talk about it and move on and start living like we suppose to, Righteous. Then you will see that all is well. 

August 16, 2010
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It's not an issue of religious freedom. It's an issue of respecting each country's/culture's hallowed ground which is why Pope John Paul II closed down the convent in the vicinity of the site of Auschwitz

August 16, 2010
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As some one suggested above, let build a common prayer hall, or rather a mosque, church (catholic or protestant), hindu temple, budhustic temple in one place, if the muslim bretheren traying to do it right with their own money.... let us not take advantage of american freedom or build a mosque under the smoke or muslim community wants to do something "right".  I am all for freedom but not taking advantage of "the situation"

August 16, 2010
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We'll get over it, as do wih everythin else. Until the next big event happens...

August 16, 2010
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Since most of you don't live anywhere near Ground Zero, and have probably never visited, let me point out a few things: there are already two mosques in this neighborhood, and they've been there for years. There is also a strip club within two blocks of the site, as well as an OTB betting parlor, an Irish pub, a Burger King, and a McDonald's, not to mention endless local vendors making money selling 9/11 souvenirs. Shall we tear them all down too? This "Hallowed Ground" argument rings completely false.

August 16, 2010
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BQSauce

 

What additional rights do gay people get?  The last time I checked being beaten by thugs and marginalized by your government didn't qualify as additional rights.

August 16, 2010
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Well done, Mr. Bennet on trying to advance the discussion.  As for the rest on this blog, I'll point out two items:

1.  $100 Mil building gets built out of one that has been abandoned for years.  This translates into lots of jobs amd revenue.

2.  There has been three mosques in the area for years.  Where was your outrage then?

3.  Its not a "them vs. us" issue.  "They" are "us".

4.  Many people were against civil rights.  Should we have gone with the majority then as well?

NY-David

August 16, 2010
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10001NYC

 

If you re-read I said the muslims (and everyone else) have more rights than the gays.  Although, I would love it if the government said straights couldn't marry.  Would save me a ton, so maybe that's "more rights"

August 16, 2010
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Booyah, NYDavid.

August 16, 2010
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spot on, Johnnytom!

August 16, 2010
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However, think back to your parents or grandparents time, to December 07, 1941 Pearl Harbor. What if Japan had approached Americans to build a pagoda at Pearl Harbor, back then or hell for that matter even now.

August 16, 2010

a ENEMY BASE at ground zero?

 

To only to honnor and to justice to the 9/11 victims is to EXPULSE all muslims from North America and DESTROY all the mosquee. Muslim have no right to be here in the fist place. Islam is a discrace to the human race.

August 16, 2010
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I haven't seen the plans for the mosquee; does it include a public area for flogging and stoning?

August 16, 2010
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@fireball6136

 

Japan? No way.  An American citizen of Japanese descent?  Sure.

 

These people are American Muslims, not just muslims.  On 9/11 all Americans were attacked, not just Christian Americans.

August 16, 2010
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It just is not right to put it that close to a still very sore open wound. The Muslim community American or otherwise should not be allowed to worship with ground zero in their view.

August 16, 2010
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I am sorry.. I am looking and thinking in a wrong way. (are we all?).  Let us look at the situation this way.  We are(ameicans) attacked by terrorist. Americans are kiiled (includes all people of faith and color).  Then, why are we taking about building a Mosque?  I do not understand. what is reason?  whose idea is it? Rewarding who for attacking?  All americans are my brothers and sisters 

August 16, 2010
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Chrissy2000; they probably will have flogging and stoning areas along with safe havens for the fathers and sons that perform mercy killings on their daughter, or sister because they were becoming too Americanized

August 16, 2010
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How many people were tortured and killed in the name of Christianity, or because "God willed it"?  There are extremists in all religions, Christianity included; we cannot affix an extremist label to all Christians, nor can we do it to all Muslims.

August 16, 2010
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Allowed?  Since when has telling people of another religion what they can and can't do ever worked out successfully?

August 16, 2010
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I don't know where the rest of you guys come from but up here in Michigan it has happened a lot through the years. Muslims call it mercy killing simply because the girl becomes too American

August 16, 2010
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I believe in God but not all of these religions we have today. I refuse to go to any church because they are all full of it. Everybody has their own idea on their own religion and the rest are wrong, but in reality, who the hell really knows for sure, I don't believe none of them.

August 16, 2010
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P54

Why are my comments not going through? Any censoring going on? No profanity. What is wrong?

August 16, 2010
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P54

I tried again, third time and still won't go through. What about free speech? What words trigger the censoring? Could it be because Islam and Mohammad are IN and Jesus Christ is OUT?

August 16, 2010
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I totally believe that the people building the Islamic community center have a constitutional right to do so.  However, common sense should tell them that they are not furthering good relations between the religions by doing so.  The majority of Americans polled do not want the center near the site of the World Trade Center.  In order for these persons to gain respect and understanding, they must also show respect for the feelings of others.

August 16, 2010
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Some historians in the future will mark the date 9-11-2001 as the beginning of the decline of the United States as a unified nation.  Others, more accurately, will note that it began in 2010 with the government's approval to build a temple of worship to the religion of the terrorists at the World Trade Center site.

August 16, 2010
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P54

President Obama said on TV he is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ. Mosques around the world have been a breeding ground for terrorist recruiting and wickedness. The Constitution and the very core of America was the freedom of CHRISTIAN religion, not any devilish religion. The very GOD that sets people free in CHRIST mandated that the GOSPEL be preached, not a man made religion that keep people in bondage. The freedom is meant to be the freedom to join a Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal or any other Bible centered church that preaches Jesus Christ. That brought freedom to America, however look at the Muslim nations. Why do you want to bring their evil religion to America? When Hitler went on his "crusade", some nations submitted to him and betrayed their own country. Will history reveal a "QUISLING" in America? If Muslims like their religion, why not stay in your own Muslim country. Islam is not about freedom, but bondage and darkness. Don't invite spiritual darkness into a country that have been set free by the preaching of Jesus Christ. Do not betray your country by ignorance, understand the meaning of the constitution when it talks about freedom of religion. All they knew then and debated was the freedom to choose any denomination within the CHRISTIAN church. The State was not to favor any particular denomination, however support the teachings of the Bible. It was not about freedom of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc..Those religions do not preach Jesus Christ, God come in flesh do die for our sins, and that he rose again and that only in Him do we have eternal life. Biblical freedom is freedom to obey Jesus Christ which leads to life, however the modern twisted freedom is from hell. The Bible says  NOT all freedom is beneficial. America of today have turned their back on the Bible and Jesus Christ and embraced heathen religions and lifestyles that brings shame (what is that today anyway), sorrow, sickness, diseases and death. It is the freedom that is satanic in its origin, when he said "has god said". He questioned God and tempted with destructive freedom. Only Jesus Christ can set you free, free from sin. If the president was really committed to Jesus Christ he would have taken a stand for Christ and BANNED any worship center for Islam in this Country. They can meet in their homes. Instead he gives in to favor an evil religion and invites the spirit that persecute Christians to get a foot hold in America. Will this be another step in a freedom that will reap destruction.

August 16, 2010
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P54

Will history remember this as the second attack on America. Read in the Old Testament what happened to Israel when they allowed the "enemies" to bring their gods and religions into the land. Has America turned away from the very foundation on which it was founded and slowly committing suicide? Will we one day be facing the possibility of a Muslim state in the state? Is it ignorance of past and present history, or betrayal? Take a look in Europe. If you think Islam is content to be your quiet neighbors just wait till they gain in numbers and want their religion to rule the day. Love your enemy, however don't embrace their evil religion and wicked practices.The Government have stopped many cults in America, even "christian" cults, and rightfully so. Why do they want to embrace the religion that breeds killings of innocent people and Christians? Even their own family members if they become Christians or marry a non Muslim. See what happened to China when they chose communism instead of Christianity. Remember Mao? Christian servants and preachers are sharing Christ all over the world, even persecuted and killed. They do that in countries that have all these other religions that have kept those countries shackled for centuries, and people come to Christ for liberation from sin, freedom and healing. That is how this country was founded and built and changed. Now shall we turn or backs to God and Jesus Christ and his ways and embrace the religions that have haunted those nations for centuries? Pray for the President and the leaders of this country or we will face a difficult future. The symptoms of sickness and decay is all over this country, evil unnatural devilish practices are promoted and signed into law. Evil is good and good is evil. The very foundation of America and the principals upon which it was built that caused all the blessings are being replaced with evil and degeneration. Will the blessings vanish and be replaced with more and more trouble and disasters. Remember where the blessings originated, from the Lord Jesus Christ, and if America turn their back from His ways there might be a withdrawal of his protection and blessings. To invite and embrace a wicked religion by offering it a foot hold in the land is to embrace spiritual darkness and wickedness. One "Christian" nation after another is yielding to the movement of Islam, they fear to offend them and give in to their ways in fear of retaliation. Are all leaders wearing dark sunglasses? What will the coming generations reap from this?  WAKE UP!  Fear GOD and love the LORD. Muslims? YES, share Christ with him. Islam? NO and NO! Leave it where it comes from. Don't invite the religion that practice killings of those that become Christians into you backyard.

 

 

"If my people who are called by my name (CHRISTIANS), will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, THEN will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land, says the LORD.

 

 

Pray for Obama.  Pray for America.

August 16, 2010
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I agree with Dealie:

The majority of Americans polled do not want the center near the site of the World Trade Center.  In order for these persons to gain respect and understanding, they must also show respect for the feelings of others.

August 16, 2010
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Perhaps Americans would not be opposed to this mosque if they heard American Muslims condemn suicide bombings against innocent Israeli men, women, and children on busses, in restaurants, shopping malls, and schools. Instead there is silence or outright refusal to condemn suicide bombers - and lest we forget, America was the victim of suicide bombers on 911. The Imam of this mosque refuses to condemn the murders of suicide bombers from Hamas, believes America brought 911 on itself, and believes America should be governed by Sharia law.

 

There have been hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered by other Iraqi's in the Shia Sunni bloodletting but yet American Muslims are quiet about that as well. American Muslim groups were silent when the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped by Islamic terrorists, made to say "I am an American and I am a Jew" and had his head chopped off in a barbarity made even more horrific in that it was posted on websites in the Moslem world and applauded!

 

Americans DO have the right to freedom of religion but they also have the right to express their dissatisfaction with this particular mosque at this particular location. If Moslems want to win over Americans then stop justifying the murders of innocent civilians around the world whether they are Jewish, Christian, and Moslem, in the name of Islam.

 

When an extreme right Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, entered a mosque in Hebron sixteen years ago and slaughtered thirty five Muslims who were praying, Prime Minister of Israel Rabin called Yasser Arafat and said "I am ashamed." In an address to the Knesset, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin denounced the US-born Goldstein as a “foreign implant” and an “errant weed”. He continued, “We say to this horrible man and those like him: you are a shame on Zionism and an embarrassment to Judaism.”

 

I'd like to hear more Muslim leaders in America say words like that about Hamas.

August 16, 2010
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@macktheknife:  Which "historians in the future" do you speak of?  That is a pretty powerful statement that holds no real truth.  You can't blame all the problems of a less unified nation on one event or on a group of people choosing to practice their religion, a right our Constitution affords.  C'mon, you don't think we, as Americans, had something to do with the nation becoming less unified, if that statement, itself, is even true?

August 16, 2010
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Those who are opposed to building a mosque believe in what is called collective punishment. People are free.  No one but no one shall at any time forbid any abiding citizen or a group from expressing their thoughts be it in writting , speaking or BUILDING.

August 16, 2010
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what happen to this country?  back in my granpappies generation it was nice tight and lilly white

August 16, 2010
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An advice from a MUSLIM:-

 

The best revenge against those who did it is to build a "Sufi Mosque". The wahabis who did this hate Sufi branch of Islam and consider them heretices and it will stay as perpetual thorn in Wahabi/Salafi eyes for ever and ever.

 

So trust me America on this one. Support a "SUFI MOSQUE" and Wahabi/Salafi ideologists of Al Qaida and supporters will turn in their graves perpetually.

 

Just make sure it is not funded by Wahabi/Salafi money or else sooner or later it will become a Taliban mosque in New York.

August 16, 2010
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P54 is hilarious. A "good Christian" that gives actual good Christians a bad name.

August 16, 2010
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What do you all think would have happened if after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Japan proposed to build a religious worship place for Japanese Americans. I think our parents, grand-parents, and fore fathers are rolling in their grave. I do not believe their generation would have allowed it either.

August 16, 2010
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Isn't this a 1st amendment and 5th amendment issue.  Everything else- hallowed ground- hurt feelings- they would build a church in Saudi Arabia- is simply meaningless.

August 16, 2010
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It would seem the most critical thing here is to strip away the emotionalism and look to the facts, and ask some salient questions.

 

1.  Recognizing that our Founding Fathers fleed religious persecution and that the Constitution ensures religious freedom, the freedom of assoociation, and equal protection under the law -- on exactly what legal basis can you deny construction of an Islamic religious center when other like uses of the land would be permissible? 

 

The simple answer is that there is none.  President Obama correctly stated the legal right of the center to be built. We need to remember that if through our anger, grief and prejudice we act out against the Islamic faith, denying the supportters of this center their legal rights, we truly hand victory to the jihadists  -- for we have then become what they profess we already are.  Jihadists need not defeat America; we will do it to ourselves.  When we sacrifice those values that make us Americans on the altar of the war on terrorism, we have lost the war.

 

2.  The intended construction site is 3 city blocks from ground zero; for those who claim it is too close, what is a sufficient distance?  What of those existing mosques in NYC, should they be closed because they are too close?

 

Again reason must prevail.  If we wanted a bar to new construction within the affilicted area (not just the foot print of the WTC, then we should have established Ground Zero as a National Monument - and the developers sacrifice the value of that real estate.  Would there be this outcry for a new Christian Church three blocks from the WTC?

 

3.  Among the dead that awful day were over sixty of our friends, neighbors,colleagues and citizens that were Muslim.  How should they be remembered?

 

Isn't the answer obvious?  They should be remembered as our brother and sister Americans; killed by the cowardly act of terrorists that happened to be followers of a deluded and radicalized form of Islam.

 

I hold no doubt that the center will be built.  My prayer is that it will be dedicated to the spirit of peace, forgiveness and national reconcilation.  No terrorist on the eventful day was concerned with the faith tradition of their victims -- only that they were Americans.

 

Let's not allow faith to divide us -- one of the most treasured values of this country is that regardless of our heritage, faith, gender or race -- we are Americans first -- black, Jewish, hispanic, male, female, white, Wiccan after that.

 

 

 

 

August 16, 2010
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Show some compassion and understanding towards others, it goes a long way. The Islamic Center is being built for Muslims in New York, AMERICAN Muslims. I don't think any American should be denied their right to practice (or right not to). Your personal beliefs on it being "sensitive" or "not the right time" are ludicrous. When is the right time for them? 10 years? A century? It seems our country has taken a step back rather than a step forward. I don't like the idea that Americans are giving jihadists more recruits because people give the view that Christianity wants to destroy Muslims. We need to show that we can be accepting of Muslims, the fastest growing religion in the world.

August 16, 2010
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P54,"Muslims? YES, share Christ with him. Islam? NO and NO! Leave it where it comes from. Don't invite the religion that practice killings of those that become Christians into you backyard" that is what what i call an oxymoronic statement. You hate mslims.  That is your right. Have the audacity to say so. You are entiteled to love, hate or be passive. But don't wear gloves over your claws.  YOu gain more respect if you were to be more straight forward.

August 16, 2010
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It seems like a pretty cut and dry issue. Not an emotionless issue, but one that is an easy decision as far as I can see. They have the right to build a Mosque there. I don't like it, and I don't have to like it. But this is America. Let's not on one hand, be proud of what our country stands for, then on the other hand complain about a group practicing their freedoms in the country. It's hypocritical and it's childish. Would there be an issue if it was a different religion? Are those proposing to open this Mosque connected to the 911 attacks? No they are not. Stop being intolerant and frankly, racist about this issue. Perhaps we all need a refresher in the history of our country. Who we are and why we are who we are.  

August 16, 2010
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Remember Hitler was a Christian.  He killed 6 millions Jews.    But the actions of a single crazy Hitler are not from the Bible and not from Islam.

 

If someone says he is a Christian or Jew or Muslim, it is just a label.  This label will not save them on the Day of Judgment unless their soul is good.

 

Building a Mosque is good. And will bring people closer. But there are many Americans that live on hate and do not want to read and learn. So for them, and for the sake of peace, please build the Mosque in another place.

 

Note, most Americans pronounce the word Muslim wrongly, it should sound like Mooselim instead of Mussslim.

 

August 16, 2010
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I read these comments and it seems that most everyone is against the building of this mosques, but if you look at the survey CNN had on their home page, 51% was in favor.This mosque will be built because they know they can. I was very disappointed that Obama has thrown his support it. Poor Rudy Guliani, who was the most proactive of anyone during 9/11, even over Bush, he must feel pretty upset.

August 16, 2010
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I'll support their right to build a mosque near ground zero if they won't object to me building a slaughterhouse for pigs right next door.  I'll cook bacon 24/7.  If they don't mind me being insensitive to them, then I don't mind them being insensitive to us.

August 16, 2010
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@P54:  "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" - Declaration of Independence Transcription (www.archives.gov)

 

The core of this nation was not to protect or to promote Christianity; notice in the above transcription, it says that all men are "endowed by their Creator", not "the Creator."  This points to no deity in particular, but instead to the fact that not everyone believes they are created by God.

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - Amendment I of the United States Constitution (www.archive.gov)

 

Still, I don't see where this government is promoting or protecting Christianity, nor do I see it written that Christianity is the core of this nation's values.  Under this law, any religion is allowed, so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others, or violate the Constitution.

 

"The Bible says  NOT all freedom is beneficial." - P54

 

That's what the bible says, not what the Constitution says.  The muslims building this mosque has to answer to local, state, and federal laws and regulations, not the Bible's.

 

Islam is not an evil religion.  They worship God, just as you do, I assume.  The United States Constitution allows the worship of Wicca, Satanism, and many other "evil" religions.  "Evil" is merely a perspective which is different everyone.  But, then again, what do you know, you don't even know the law of your land!

August 16, 2010
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I can certainly understand the cry for this project to be stopped but we have to realize that should we deny this being built...it goes against one of the principles of which this country was founded on...Religious Persecution. 

 

Yes, they certainly would not allow a Christian church to be built in Mecca but at the same time, that is what makes us who we are.  We are tolerant and allow everyone to enjoy the same freedoms.  Those societies are built upon religious law and usually run by religious fanatics.  We are built on the principles of Democracy.

 

We ALSO have to remember that the war is not against Islam!!! It is against the extremists who truthfully believe that Islam calls for revenge and extreme measures.  If they read the Koran, nowhere is this condoned but that is the beauty of any religious text, it can interpreted however that person wants it to be.  These people are no different the christian or jewish extremists but they do get the most press because of what happened on American soil.  Until this country goes against the US Constitution, the only people who have the right to deny the mosque being built are the approval boards for this AND they can only deny based on physical factors (money, zoning, etc) and not on religious beliefs.  This is what our law is built upon and this is what our law demands...freedom fro religious persecution

August 16, 2010
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Reading the comments above, I’ve realized how much EASIER it seems for some people to hate what they don’t understand and believe in than it is to become more knowledgeable about people’s differences. 

 

Do people really live in this ignorant mentality that all muslims are terrorists??  It's so much easier to believe that than to educate ourselves, isn't it?  We are so lucky to have UNrestricted access to ANY topic in this country, yet some people dont bother to use it and LEARN.

August 16, 2010
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they treat mexicans like shit but allow these damned muslims (terrorists) in. whens the last time you seen a mexican fly a plane into buildings. unbelievable this country is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

August 16, 2010
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How many people in government demanded that the building of all new Christian churches in Oklahoma city be banned after Timothy McVey decided to blow up a building?  I admit I do not like nor do I respect Islam--but I must admit that not all Muslims are killers.  I have known some very decent human beings who believe in Islam and all of them were honorable, decent people.

 

It would be easy to take a cowards' path and simply damn everyone who was Islamic for the crimes of a paltry few.  However, I believe that America is in fact the greatest country due to the foresight of the founding fathers: The freedom of religion must be upheld equally, or it is no freedom at all.  People keep saying 'Why are Muslims so silent when it comes to 9/11, why do they not make a decent apology?'.  I believe that an Islamic center would give them the chance to prove by deed what they say by word.  We should not deny them this based on what is quickly becoming a cultural fear of Islam.  I choose not to let fear dictate my life and so I support the Islamic center even when I do not believe in Islam itself.

August 16, 2010
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Freedom of religion is separate from the fact that mosques are known to be used as terrorist recruitment places. Building the mosque is a quantifiable danger and security risk. There is plenty evidence to that effect. Better build the mosque some place less "inspiring" to terrorists. Why Muslims cannot be the least bit magnanimous in understanding this, is beyond me! After all the WTC terrorists attacked right here in the name of Islam, again and again since 1993. Building the mosque here is entertaining the terrorists' notions. They need to respect the sentiment of the people. Hindus don't wear swastika's in holocaust museums either, even though swastika is a Hindu holy symbol. We all need to respect everybody's sensitivities, not just a single group's wishes.

August 16, 2010
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One of the other commenters has already posted what I believe is the correct analogy to make here:

 

"Put yourself in their shoes, if some whacko Christian or Jew smashed a plane into one of their buildings, wouldn't you be a little put off if all of a sudden you were labeled a hate mongering anti-patriot for wanting to erect a religious building dedicated toward peace and tolerance a few blocks away?"

 

...and that's just the thing. The intolerant, loud mouthed, pigheaded, unable-to-see-the-big-picture people who are screaming and crying about how the evil Muslims are building their anti-America hate factory at ground zero are EXACTLY the same people who would be losing their minds with rage if a group of Muslims wanted to prevent Americans from building a Christian church in Bagdhad. These holier-than-thou tea partiers and so-called "patriots" would be ready to bomb Iraq if Iraq said no to the Christian church become "all those Americans are evil Christians", etc. We'd all be crying about how they're blaming our religion for actions Americans have been involved with that they find distasteful- yet we're ready to do it to them in a heartbeat.

 

These people who can't deal with a Muslim mosque TWO BLOCKS from ground zero (it's not even at the ground zero site, folks) can't separate the horrible acts of a handful of sick minds from an entire religion. "They flew planes into buildings and they abused and misinterpreted the Quran... Therefore, ALL people who read the Quran are bad, mmm'k?"

 

It's shocking how fast America is filling up with intolerant, neanderthal, unable-to-see-past-their-own-nose type people. Freaky.

August 16, 2010
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Unreal.  Things in our country are just getting totally unbelievable. When does someone stand up for common decency?  Why would Muslims want a mosque at ground zero IF it is truly just for a religious reason?  Their common decency would be NOT to build out of respect for the loss suffered.  It has nothing to do with race or religion, but everything to do with respect for fellow Americans We all suffered loss on that site due an attack from terrorists of Muslim background, not the religion. A memorial park would be appropriate over  anything else. 

August 16, 2010
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I do agree 100% betty495.

 

  We are(ameicans) attacked by terrorist. Americans are kiiled (includes all people of faith and color).  Then, why are we taking about building a Mosque?  I do not understand. what is reason?  whose idea is it?

 

So why not build something common for americans?  Why should be mosque, this is what i do not get.  I am all for freedom, but let us use common sense

August 16, 2010
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this is so stupid...

im sure if things were different an example is : what if the dumb idiots that did what they did on 9/11 were from some other culture(not a muslim, jew per say) would this be such a big issue? would you all go after them? what if they wanted to build a church there would they be stopped or would noone care? i find this to be very unfair to muslims NOT EVERY MUSLIM IS A BAD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so get through your head! i do under stand that many families were broken and lives were lost... but there must be 10X more people that die everyday at war. as president obama said: muslims should have the right to practice what they believe in! THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS CREATED FOR A REASON!!!!!

August 16, 2010
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@biomata "As if the U.S. was one to talk about homosexual rights."

 

Excuse me? Look at Muslim nations, being homosexual there is punishable by DEATH. Here we convict those who harm homosexuals as a hate crime. So don't give us your idiotic harmful rhetoric you coward.

 

August 16, 2010
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whats next for muslims?

would they stop muslims immigrants from coming to america>

August 16, 2010
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Its pretty simple people, if you are angry at the construction of a mosque in NYC you are ignorant and Un-American, it doesn't get any easier than that..

August 16, 2010
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What I find fascinating is how many people say 'the Constitution protects religious freedom' and then immediately follow that with 'but when it comes to a mosque in New York'...

 

But there is no 'but'.

 

Muslims didn't attack Christians on 9/11, it was a political group attacking Americans for their lifestyle of abundance while the rest of the world goes without.

 

Why was there no outrage about the Christian church, Trinity or whatever it's called, right by ground zero? One look at our money should answer that one.

August 16, 2010
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In most muslim countries, especially countries with sharia (islamic) law, it is forbidden to build a church and many Christians are persecuted and being killed by muslim government. So why muslims demand building mosque in the place they want, while they themselves do not allow building churches (or any other religious places of worship) in muslim countries?

August 16, 2010
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P54

FREEDOM OF RELIGION.  WAKE UP!

 

What would you do if you received a letter like this, a letter saying that living for Christ could mean dying a violent death? What if the letter also included a real bullet? Would you tell your children? Would you leave your home or would you stay and face the consequences?

 

Letters like this are being sent to Christians living in a Muslim nation.These death treat letters to Christians are often accompanied by real bullets. The message is clear: convert to Islam, leave or die. Following is a copy of the letter:

 

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,

AND OF HIS FINAL PROPHET,MOHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM)

 

The true religion of Islam WILL RISE in your area,you cannot stop Allah's will.

 

We have been watching your family;we have seen you go to church and seen you pray to your false god. We know that you are infidels, and we will deal with you as our holy Quran declares:

 

In Sura 9 verse 5,it says TO SLAY the idolaters wherever you find them; take them captive and besiege them.

 

It also says in Sura 9 verse 29 to FIGHT those who have been given the scriptures and believe not in Allah or the Last Day or follow not the religion of truth.

 

If you and your entire family do not leave your false religion and follow Islam, you will be killed. Your sons will be slaughtered and your daughters will become Muslim wives, bearing sons who will fight for Allah in this region.

 

Your ONLY other option is to FLEE TONIGHT. Leave your home and everything behind.

 

                       ALLAHU AKBAR! 

 

(THEN FOLLOWS A PICTURE OF A BULLET AND BLOOD).

 

IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE INVITING TO AMERICA? IS THIS THE FREEDOM YOU LONG FOR? SAY NO TO ISLAM AND YES TO JESUS CHRIST.

August 16, 2010
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How much longer are we going to let these people spit on us.  If I lived in NY I'd throw pig blood where they plan to build the mosque.  We should not tolerate the disrespect shown by the muslim community for the innocent lives lost on that horrible day. 

August 16, 2010
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if gays can marry why not a mosque?

August 16, 2010
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As a muslim American I initially thought that the mosque near ground zero was a bad idea......but now that the biggots have come out of the closet whether it is about  a mosque near ground zero, in tennessee, in california or in washington state....it only proves that this nation is not at war with terrorists but against islam.....only proving the point that the terrorist were right all along! This has forced a real discussion about who we really are as a nation and what we represent....so far we are racist biggots......

August 16, 2010
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The President did right.  If we do not stand up for an individual’s freedom we have nothing but an empty piece of paper.  It is time to quit making a bigger issue out of this then necessary.  You want to do something… begin to vote the Republicans out of office.  The Republicans are the real problem.  They do nothing but spread fear and racist views with their Tea Baggers.

August 16, 2010
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do you think saudi arabia would allow us to buid a christian church in mecca????i think not!!

August 16, 2010
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I don't know have you tried???

August 16, 2010
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Why to go Obama! You've given the Republicans a nice big, present just in a nick of time.  Heck, I may end up voting for the Republicans after listening to the clueless, knee-jerk, liberal defense of Islam. Listen up jerks--we really are fighting Islam.  'Cordoba House' is to be a triumphant mosque to celebrate their glorious victory over the infidels. They're smart enough to keep the battle lines in Manhattan and we're just stupid enough to let them.

August 16, 2010
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From a non-believer, a suggestion for you hysterical 'believers'! Maybe you need to go back to your Christian places of worship and seek/pray forpeace and understanding of what is is to be an American?  Just saying.....here's how they roll at The Pentagon --->  "This is the first large chapel at the Pentagon," Benson said. " It is the first time we've had a place large enough to conduct services, which will include Jewish, Christian and Islamic."  Placing the chapel was highly symbolic, Benson said. "It is located at the point of impact. This is a statement by the Department of Defense that we are a people of hope, faith and transformation. In our darkest moments, we find hope," Benson said. "Basically, to military members, chapel means a place where we practice faith," he said. "We wanted to communicate what it was. We're going to hold services here. It's for every faith, symbolic for what this country stands for, freedom of worship.

August 16, 2010
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Freedom of speech is a constitutional privilege (just like the freedom of religion and the freedom to assemble) and without dialogue solutions can not be reached...with that said I need to express how absolutely insanely stupid the commits of lynn54997, marv213, bob92552, macktheknife (your screen name says it all!), gsmmax and rest of these whack jobs are...really?...what crack hole did you crawl out of and please do the rest of us a favor and return from whence you came! I have no desire to even attempt to reason with you...its obvious that logic did not put those ideas in your head and as such logic will not remove them...leave important subjects to those of us with more than a junior high education! I am embarrassed that I have to share this plant with you let alone this beautiful country!

August 16, 2010
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I find that those that are against this center are either jewish groups (hmmmm, go figure) or non-jews who lack knowledge of any culture outside their own community, or haven't traveled beyond our borders.  Really disappointing. 

August 16, 2010
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This is one of the dumbest arguments Americans have had. First of all it is up to New York City residents. Second of all you have morons who say it is to close like four blocks, or ten blocks or a few miles would be ok. Who’s to say, the people who voted for bush? They are hardly experts on anything. Then you have the religious ones who think that their “book” is the correct one, lol lol lol. Live by example or leave the game!!!!!

August 16, 2010
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Zunedog, what do gays marrying or not have to do with this issue??!!  Did homosexuals turn planes into bombs and crash into buildings?! NO, it was done in the of ISLAM.  You know, that religion of peace that has managed to sow seeds of hatred, violence, ignorance and human slaughter across the planet. And NOF1pov, if you don't like it here, please leave.

August 16, 2010
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I'm appalled they could even consider placing a mosque on the Twin Tower site. 

 

Try rubbing salt in the wounds of those that have survived...much less disrespectful to those that have lost their lives...

 

Islam is making a feeble attempt to embed themselves into our politics... It's not about "religion", it's about THEIR Politics!

 

 

August 16, 2010
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This is a BS issue, that muslim center is not built by islamic fundies.  Muslims didn't attack us, fundy muslims attacked us. Christian fundies are just as dangerous as islamic fundies, people should focus their anger toward those two groups of creeps and not on moderate muslims.

American muslims are the most integrated muslims in the whole world. They are an example of what we want muslims to be.

People should remember that many muslims were murdered by the terrorists on 9/1/1.

August 16, 2010
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Islam is no religion of peace.

 

Islam has two houses: the house of Peace (Islamic nations living under Sharia law) and the house of war (lands which have not yet been converted to Islam). It is the duty of all devout Muslims to force the conversion of non Islamic lands into Islamic lands using all means including force.

 

Once non Islamic lands are conquered, Mosques are built on the holy sites of the conquered peoples. One of the places where such a defilement of the "others" religion took place was in Cordoba Spain. The Cordoba House is the organization pushing for this mosque. The name and the symbolism of the name "Cordoba House" is no coincidence. The mega mosque being built on the hallowed WTC site is nothing less than a symbol of the Islamic "victory" of 9/11

August 16, 2010
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correction: being built near the WTC site

August 16, 2010
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It might be a good idea for the Mayor, the owners of the building and other NYC religious leaders sit down for a 2 day conference and see if they can use the religious principals of LOVE, Mercy, Understanding to the test.. Let's see if these religious leaders and politicians can practice what they preach.. This not about him against us, but what is best for all the citizens of NYC. If only we get could politicians and religious leaders of all Religions to practice their own moral codes instead of acting like egotistical babies we may get to a DIVINE workable solution!

August 16, 2010
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There is no such thing as a religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace, neither is christianity.

Christians killed or were responsible for the death of over 50 millions people in the Americas.

Christians have been responsible for numerous wars of religion, most of them among christians. There was at one time the crusades where christians butchered Jews and Muslims.

 

Most of us are disgusted at the sight of muslim and christian fundamentalists but to compare our American muslims to those savages is insane. Most American muslims as most American christians are not fundies.

 

Fundyism is a disease that is just as dangerous among christians or jews as it is among muslims.

August 16, 2010
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9/11 was not perpetrated by the Muslim community or the religion of Islam. It was perpetrated by fundamentalist terrorists. If anything, an Islamic cultural center at the sight of Ground Zero is a celebration of the rights of all Americans against religious persecution

 

And speaking of respecting the victims, remember that people of all religions and cultures were victims - including Muslims. When you speak about victims, you are also speaking about:

 

Samad Afridi

Ashraf Ahmad

Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)

Umar Ahmad

Azam Ahsan

Ahmed Ali

Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)

Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)

Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury

Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)

Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)

Jamal Legesse Desantis

Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)

SaleemUllah Farooqi

Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)

Osman Gani

Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)

Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)

Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)

Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)

Nabid Hossain

Shahzad Hussain

Talat Hussain

Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)

Yasmeen Jamal

Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)

Arslan Khan Khakwani

Asim Khan

Ataullah Khan

Ayub Khan

Qasim Ali Khan

Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)

Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)

Yasmeen Khan

Zahida Khan

Badruddin Lakhani

Omar Malick

Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)

Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)

Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)

Raza Mujtaba

Omar Namoos

Mujeb Qazi

Tarranum Rahim

Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)

Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)

Naveed Rehman

Yusuf Saad

Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)

Shoman Samad

Asad Samir

Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)

Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)

Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)

Jamil Swaati

Sanober Syed

Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)

Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)

W. Wahid

 

And many more. Their memories deserve respect too.

 

August 16, 2010
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Anybody notice that we are in two wars surrounded by muslims?  Soldiers based in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.  Osama couldn't wish for a better recruiting poster.  'Just look at America. They are showing thier true nature.'

August 17, 2010
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When this country is free from religious foolishness, we'll all be better off for it.  Stop condemning others because of some fairy tail you were taught as a youngster.  I could live my life based on the Harry Potter novels if I chose to, but I wouldn't be pushing it on society as a whole.  Grow up and stop looking for saviors outside of yourself.  Maybe you'll actually find peace and happiness, rather than bitterness and hate.

August 17, 2010
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I think I will build a Jewish gay bar next to the mosque to increase diversity.

August 17, 2010
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How about this? I'm a Muslim, born and raised in the U.S.  I see nothing wrong with a Mosque in Manhatten, primarily because I don't think Osama or the Taliban are representatives of my faith.  The fact the media is ignoring is that Muslims in this country don't care too much about what the Saudis do to their women or what Iran does.

 

Nobody has any excuse to discriminate against my way of life.  People like Newt Gringich, Michael Savage, Palin, etc. whine that we don't have to be tolerant because "they" don't allow churches in their countries.  Guess what?  America never was and never will be a Christian nation.

August 17, 2010
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Put it on the New York City ballot. Let the people speak. When they decide, let's move forward.

August 17, 2010
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Why should Muslims in America care what the Arabs and all those dictators allow or don't allow?  The ignorance and prejudice of those against the Islamic center couldn't be more obvious.  The fact is, we already HAVE a mosque in the existing building.  Secondly, they act as if all the Muslims in this country are foreigners, as if only the white Christian man is a citizen, and being a Muslim means I don't have a U.S. birth certificate nor citizenship.  Absolutely unbelievable.  You wanna take my right away to build a Mosque in Manhatten?  Fine.. make me tax exempt, and start rolling my government checks on top of my salary.  I'm a U.S. citizen.  I don't want my tax dollar going off to feed you ignorant morons who know nothing about the world let alone your own Constitution.

August 17, 2010
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August 17, 2010
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I think it is extremely insensitive  to even consider a mosque in the general area. Reminds me of putting a Japanese tribute at Pearl Harbor! SUCKS!!!!

August 17, 2010
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I am organizing protects in front of mosques in my city. With digital recorders at hands, we plan to record everyone in and out of our local mosques and post them on our own web site hosted by our own server. I urge everyone do the same at your cities. Muslims... Watch your back!!

August 17, 2010
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I am organizing protests in front of mosques in my city. With digital recorders at hands, we plan to record everyone in and out of our local mosques and post them on our own web site hosted by our own server. I urge everyone do the same at your cities. Muslims... Watch your back!!

 

August 17, 2010
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this is exactly what the terrorists want us to do. fight amongst ourselves and take the focus off protection our country

August 17, 2010
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If the planners of this mosque wanted to bring peace and understanding between people of different backgrounds and religions, then why not do this in any other mosque?? Why in Ground Zero? I'm a New Yorker and the wound is still there fresh and visible.  It is a grave mistake to go against a majority of people polled that believe this is a provocation and insult to anyone that lost a family member, husband, wife, son, daughter, friend. Built it anywhere but Ground Zero!

August 17, 2010
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Since September 11, 2001, this country has become more xenophobic than at any other time in its history. It is disenchanting to posts from so-called patriots who condemn Islam by organizing mosque protests at "Ground Zero" all in the name of preserving American cultural identity under the guise of protecting national sovereignty.  Yet these idiots forget about the symbolic virtue of New York's most famous cultural landmark, Statue of Liberty who more appropriately represents the best this country has to offer.

August 17, 2010
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As a Muslim myself, I would first of all thank our President Obama for his unbiased opinion on the mosque issue. It was a great gesture and should be highly respected by all the people around the world.

Having said that, my suggestion to the Muslim brothers and sisters would be to amend their plan. "Do not build a mosque at the location in question." Reason is simple: we have to co-exist and sometimes you have to make your neighbor happy by not planting a tree where he finds it unfit. No matter how justified you might be in terms of legalities. We need to learn to get over temptations. Let our Christian brothers and sisters enjoy the blessings of holy month of Ramadan, as we expect for ourselves today, by accomodating their wishes. Let's not make it a big deal and be giving and forgiving.

On the other hand I would also appeal the individuals and groups on the other side by saying that it is not wise to get outrageous and angry. Hatred and unthoughtful actions won't bring positive results. America has bigger issues to address than religious or racial. Let's join hands and get America out of the worst economic situation of today. Please! no more violence. Thanks

August 17, 2010
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Religious freedom should be for all BUT ... As I stated under another story about the 'Manhattan Mosque'; if your relative was run over by a drunk driver 'at this spot' and someone said he was going to show respect by building a bar 'at this spot', it wouldn't make sense, would it? And you would be very angry. Written laws have proven they can not cover all variables. Laws favoring freedoms, as should all laws, be interpreted with common sense and sensitivity towards victims and their families. Legitimate Muslim leaders are showing insensitivity and a lack of common sense (or are they being coerced by Islamic terrorists who are threathening their families?). Building the mosque near 'Ground Zero' will only create further and lasting distrust of legitimate and honorable Muslims. build the Mosque somewhere else completely out of sight of Ground Zero.

August 17, 2010
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Hmmm. I wonder why. The headline reads.

 

"Passions flare over mosque near Ground Zero"

 

First, of all it's not a mosque, it's a social center. Second, it's not at ground zero, it's two blocks down in an old Burlington Coat Factory.

The main stream media and the IDF are blatantly trying to pump up the racism against muslims and enrage them wit misinformation. The headline shows this as clear as day.

August 17, 2010
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SO here are my two cents as a non christian in the USA whose family has been here 100 years and who has multiple generations of war veterans including D day. My heart is pissed off by the idea of this mosque community center. It is the height of insensitivity to propose this and the leader of the group has very shaky semi radical credentials. So I understand the angst. That said the beauty of this country is that our laws and constitution are designed to make such issues intellectual arguments not emotional. So clearly even if this is bad judgment these folk have the constitutional right to do this, and if we deny them this right it is a slippery slope. What's next, no church near a synagogue because it is insensitive? No synagogue near a church etc. etc.? So my heart aches but my brain tells me Obama is right.

 

August 17, 2010
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Sorry, Islam is a evil and cruel religion and needs to disapair from the face of the earth. It’s hypocritical, on one hand they want religious tolerance and acceptance and yet in countries like Saudi Arabia, I’s a crime punishable by death to build a Christian church.  Anyone caught teaching or converting any Muslim to Christianity is at best imprisons or worse case executed.  Sure lets show religious tolerance and have them build it 12 miles off-shore.

 

August 17, 2010
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Nobody wants a Mosque in the neighborhood unless you are Moslem; however, putting one so close to Ground Zero is an insult to the people of NYC and America.

And the Iman leading this Mosque is the same person who stated that the US deserved 9/11

August 17, 2010
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sure religious tolerance is good.

sure citizens of the united states have the right to religious freedom.

sure the president was just re-affirming that.

sure there were Muslim victims in the 9/11 attack.

......but this story is a ploy to talk about something that means nothing.

So we should all be offended at how disrespectful the Constitution of the United States is to those who died in the 9/11 attacks. Why should anyone have the right to build something in accordance with New York City ordinances and bi-laws?  (-.0)

August 17, 2010
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The West's values are morally correct and the arguments for allowing a mosque near ground "0" are appropriate. However, our values are killing us.

 

It is a known fact that Islam is an intolerant religion with repressive rules. Sharia law is rediculous and there is no place for the West's tolerance of this repressive ancient, archaic and oppressive system of misguided justice.

 

While it can be said that the majority of muslims are peace loving individuals, their religion does not respect any other beliefs, especially Christianity. Islam, as practiced by many many muslims is a brutal belief system.

 

Islam absolutely allows violence against any infidel.

 

The west should continue to be tolerant and welcome any peaceful belief system. Islam, by its own Koran preaches non tolerance.

 

Radical muslims will continue to take advantage of our valued freedoms to "convert" or eliminate non islam believers. Allowing the NYC mosque is an invitation to the devil to dwell with us.

 

 

August 17, 2010
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The situation of trying to build a sleeper terrorist cell mosque is the same as the old example of: "You have the right to scream 'FIRE FIRE' but not in a crowded theater. They have the right to build such sleeper cell but if they had some common sense and compassion as they claim Islam provides, they would not build it. 

August 17, 2010
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"If you build it, they won't come."

August 17, 2010
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Every WOMAN should be against this. DO you know what they do to Muslim women?

August 17, 2010
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ISLAM IS LIKE A CANCER IN THE USA

It is common knowledge that if cancer is detected at an early stage, it could be removed and never returns; in some cases, a cancer thought to be totally removed from a patient returns and kills him.

A medical Dr. relative o fmine said that if a patient starts taking anti cancer treatment when such disease is at an advanced stage, it is too late to cure him; the cancer patient soon dies.

Islam is like a cancer to the USA. A recent report said there are 2000 mosques in the USA; that is an average of 40 Arab terrorist sleeper cells per state. Figuratively speaking, the Islamic cancer is already spread throughout the USA. There is already one cancerous Islamic Congressman in the heart of the USA. Next thing we know, we will have Islamic-majority state legislatures and governorships. The white House will become The White Mosque. Our women will become second-class citizens or end up as concubines in a sex maniac’s harem. Israel will also suffer because of the fall of the strongest bastion of democracy. We are allies of Israel but they have God Himself as the Almighty ally of them all.

As for us, it may be too late to rid our selves of such cancer. The eerie sound of the minarets announces the death Knell of the USA as we knew it. Therefore, it is time for chemotherapy to see if we can still save ourselves.

 

  

 

August 17, 2010
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I can't believe the United States is filled with such bigoted and pathetically narrow minded people. It's a building, brick and mortar, to celebrate a religion that worships the same God as Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. I guarantee most of the people so up in arms about this(Palin) have never and will never live in New York, there is no reason they should care, they won't be seeing it everyday. Everyone here needs to get a grip and realize this isn't your country anymore than it is anyone else's country.

 

And to suggest one religion is intolerant and dangerous compared to christianity is absurd. Need I remind you Christains are responsible for the genocide of Indigineous Americans, enslavement of Africans, and worldwide militaristic colonization in the 17th and 18th centuries, in the last 2000 years more people have been killed at the hands of christains than any other religion.

 

 

August 17, 2010
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So if a Christian blew up a building tomorrow, we shouldn't be allowed to build a church near the site?  It's amazing that people are debating this.  Almost everyone in the United States assumes that all Muslims are terrorists.  I can see why the Muslim World hates the United States so much.

 

The Constitution clearly states that we have freedom of religion.  This includes the building of places of worship as long as they meet local ordinances.

August 17, 2010
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I'm not Muslim but almost everyone who opposes the mosque (actually it's an Islamic center not a mosque)near Ground Zero is equating Islam & Muslims w/ terrorism, criminals, or evil. Some equate Islam to Nazis or KKK even though American Nazis & the KKK are on the same side of this issue as the mosque opponents. By the same logic, a church near the building in Oklahoma City that was bombed is inappropriate b/c the bomber was a Christian.

 

Fear seems to breed hatred. Fear of Japan during WWII sent thousands of Japanese Americans to concentration camps even though no Japanese American was found to have done one act of treason or crime. Fear of African-American empowerment caused the lynching of hundreds of Blacks in the 1950s & 1960s in the South. Fear of Jewish "conspiracies" lead to the Holocaust. Mosque opponents have provided no legal reason why this Islamic center should not be built & seem to driven purely by animus towards Muslims. This country was founded on freedom of religion. We can't now decide we don't like this particular religion, Islam, & want to restrict where Muslims can build their mosques or centers.

August 17, 2010
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Isn't this a great time for American people to say, "Build the mosque near ground zero becuase we know the difference between faithful and law abiding Muslums and terriorists."

August 17, 2010
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The point is, how can we trust Muslim's when there are so many acts of terrorism committed by them? Daily, we are reminded of their hate for anything that is not associated with their faith. They are intolerant of any other religion, yet in the US they demand tolerance from us. Building a mosque near ground zero is extremely disrespectful - and I say 'NO'.

August 17, 2010
Click to view AJHS's profile

The West's values are morally correct and the arguments for allowing a mosque near ground "0" are appropriate. However, our values are killing us.

It is a known fact that Islam is an intolerant religion with repressive rules. Sharia law is rediculous and there is no place for the West's tolerance of this repressive ancient, archaic and oppressive system of misguided justice.

While it can be said that the majority of muslims are peace loving individuals, their religion does not respect any other beliefs, especially Christianity. Islam, as practiced by many many muslims is a brutal belief system.

Islam absolutely allows violence against any infidel.

The west should continue to be tolerant and welcome any peaceful belief system. Islam, by its own Koran preaches non tolerance.

Radical muslims will continue to take advantage of our valued freedoms to "convert" or eliminate non islam believers. Allowing the NYC mosque is an invitation to the devil to dwell with us.

August 17, 2010
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I’m all for the constitution, freedom of speech, the pursuit of happiness, the whole nine yards but… Honestly can you say that this is a gesture of peace, love and above all tolerance?... honestly?... I say build your mosque and have your Muslim meetings because this is America and you have that right. Just don’t get on your soap box about how this is respectful to those that unnecessarily died because of some slanted religious view… because it’s not. This building will be nothing more than an insult to everyone who knew someone who was buried under the rubble that was brought down by the intolerance of Islam. Building this mosque in such a sensitive area when there are so many other places to build on Manhattan Island doesn’t make you a good Muslim; It only demonstrates the lack of tolerance and human compassion that Islam so often flaunts. This building will represent nothing more than the intolerance of Islam, the oppression of women, a justification for jihad no matter how misguided the imam that issues the fatwa and that American laws no matter how well intended can be manipulated for whatever purpose. I just hope that several years down the road we are not seeing some Dateline special about how the next round of terrorist were meeting/trained at a new fancy facility built at ground zero. This is just my opinion and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind but just like everyone else in America including law abiding citizens, murderers and terrorists alike I’m entitled to it.

August 17, 2010
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Is not that people do not have the right to build a buildingetc. Its wheather ist appropriate or not. For instance Pearl Harbor, the Japanese wanted to build a cultural center very close to where the US Arizona went down and Hawaii said NO WAY. So they built it  somewhere else. Muslims do not share the deep kind of feelings that are inherant in the majority of Americans. They do not place the same values on living are our ways of doing thing.  People want to come over here for the mild and honey, get all the goodies and many without working to get them. Then they want to change the way of out life, history and laws. When are we going to take our country back and follow our Constituting, Declaration of Independance, Bill of rights. We are slowly and many feel rapadily losing our solverinity. WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK AND TAKE OVER OUT OWN COUNTRY NOW. People who come here need to stop sucking on the teets of cour society, learn english, live with us and melt in not take over.

August 17, 2010
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I completely agree with "camoslayer", and the Truth 102- why even build a mosque; is to show they did not do the act?  Then let also build a Hindu Temple at the same place and a Jewish temple at it to show none of these religion did the act.  It is even stuipd to bring up the issue of building mosque at Zero ground to inflate the passion of the people of usa.  If muslims have money in usa they can build any where a mosque, even as some on said there are three around the area.  So is it to prove their innonce they are building a mosque or to taking advantage of the weakness of Americans and their system of freedom? Let us think about it.

August 17, 2010
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I come from India.

 

In my country, I have seen religious fanatics destroy the ancient mosque – the Babri Masjid – on the pretext that it was at the birth place of a Hindu god incarnate Lord Rama and that in the 14th century, Muslim Emperor Babur had built the mosque by destroying a temple that existed there. Communal riots, that followed Babri demolition, claimed thousands of innocent lives.

 

In Gujarat, I have seen dozens of mosques and Muslim places of worship destroyed during the rule of the present Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who has presided over the Muslim massacre of 2002. I have seen my father-in-law and a former Member of Parliament – Ahsan Jafri – massacred and burnt alive in his own house by the religious fanatics of Gujarat.

 

I have seen hundreds of Hindu temples destroyed in majority Muslim places like Pakistan, Bangladesh, even Kashmir, by the Muslim extremists. Thousands of innocent people are killed or made to flee their lands. Destruction of religious places of worship and human lives, with a total impunity, is not uncommon in my part of the world.

 

When I came to the US, the more I lived here, the more I interacted with the people, the more I  learnt first hand about America and Americans – especially their love for freedom, liberalism, individualism, trust, equality of all races, religions and cultures, and above all, always ready to offer a helping hand no matter what the circumstances – I thought this is the place I would like to live and raise my children so that they also grow up with these values and virtues. And so I did.

 

Through Oklahoma, through USS Cole, through Nairobi, through 9/11, through Iraq, through Afghanistan – regardless of the positions taken by the Government of the United States, I saw the average American never discriminate against any race, religion, or ethnicity, and always reached out to all with kindness, compassion and wisdom.

 

At 9:20 AM on 9/11, when the planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers, my son was in his classroom. He later told me that before making the announcement, the school authorities had plucked him out of the class into the office, perhaps in a well-thought measure, to ensure that a child with an already much maligned surname did not have to bear any misdirected anger. I was filled with awe, admiration, and gratitude for the teachers, the school and the country these thoughtful individuals represent. I decided to accept the citizenship.

 

9/11 was tough on all Americans, especially on us – the good Muslim Americans. It is hard for me to imagine how some of my co-religionists, could carry out such heinous acts in the name of Islam, which my parents have taught me, and I teach my children, is a religion of kindness and compassion. That was shocking and extremely stressful.

 

But equally shocking for me is the latest sweep of the average American opinion on the issue of an Islamic Center to be built near Ground Zero. The more I read about this debate the more I feel diminished and discriminated as an American. A near 70% opposition to such an interfaith initiative, is rather hard to comprehend for a person like me who has almost idolized American as a near perfect race.

 

The credibility of Islam in America was somewhat diminished by the act of 9/11 at Ground Zero. It is understandable. But based on my knowledge of the American values, and especially the experience at my child’s school, I had thought instead of condemning Islam, an average American would rather challenge the planners of the proposed Cordoba Center to raise the interfaith building and rebuild that lost trust – right near Ground Zero where it was lost. Who knows that building could become the beacon of American values of freedom, liberty and justice, for the entire world of Islam.

 

August 17, 2010
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Why say yes to the Mosque, but "NO" to the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Orthodox Church destroyed on 911? Is this one more example of the powers that be opposing all that is Christian?

August 17, 2010
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i don't really mind that much, I mean aren't we a country that supports freedom of religion, so i believe that they should

August 18, 2010
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Dear Katie I have placed 4 videos and I am giving my best can you consider any of them to get vetted on CNN? I am against this mosque thanks Katie

August 18, 2010
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Wow!,

 

So many illusions. We all see what we're trying to hide in ourselves. Stop trying and get over it. No matter how intense you make it, it's still just a ripple in the water. To share peace you live it.

August 18, 2010
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It is intolerable to link up a violent act of an individual or a group of people to their religion.  If one would accommodate the brainless logic behind those who oppose the construction of the mosque in New York, then no church should be constructed within the immediate radius of the Oklahoma Federal Building because McVeigh was an Irish Catholic!  And no church should be constructed near the University of Austin, Texas because Charles Whitman was Roman Catholic!

What a ludicrous rationale?

We have to be brainless to accept the premise of these disturbed people that the existence of a worship place close to a tragedy site is and I quote “an insult to the victims”.  These absurd minds and fanatic thinkers would next demand the demolition of the church located at 304 NW 4th St. Oklahoma City because it is ONE block away from the Oklahoma Federal Building!

May God have mercy on their soles and guide us all though these testing times

Ayman

Egypt

 

August 18, 2010
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what "aymanraafat" is not logic at all.  what happend in Oklahoma is from with in, secondly no one asking to build a "new" catholic or any other churches there, or associating the terrot with church.  But what happend in New york city if foreign and if it is done by some radicals, why then, even bother to build a mosque..?

 

We know Muslims did not do it, then why even bother.  All I am saying is that they, 'muslims", say sorry and religion or we did not do it, why muslims brothern within or out side say "let us build mosque and associate the terror at all?  Please build a all purpose beautiful guarden and you can build a mosque anywhere in usa and practice the faith anywhere in usa.  By the way, does out constitution allow multiple wivies as the muslims believes in, it is practice of faith right?

 

So it think, it is taking advantage of the universal significance of the location the people want build a mosque and not because they feel the pain or they want say they did not do the terror. Seconldy, I think those who want the mosque is taking advantage of the freedom USA and the situaton and not because they feel sympathy, if som they should even asking to build a mosque.  I think by building the mosque they are associating with the terrorist. 

August 18, 2010
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They claim this to be a "community center" that includes a swimming pool. What do you bet that it will at least be segregated, no girls and boys to swim at the same time. Burquinis required. A temple of tolerance? I sincerely doubt it. This is solely an Islamic center for Muslims. Other religions will not be allowed equal access. But that will be realized once it is too late. They seek to gain footing in our society in order to change it to match their ideals. Such is their intent to transform the world into an Islamic state. It is fast happening in what will be know as Eurabia once they gain a foothold on political office. Mhomar Ghadafi (SP?) himself stated that Islam will conquer the west from within our political structure without a shot being fired or an invasion of the shores, and we are allowing it to happen. I thankfully won't live long enough to witness the final result, but I fear for my children and culture. Post a cartoon of Mohammad an suffer their wrath. Over 300 French cities erupted in flames when Muslims deemed themselves dishonored. Muslims now roam the streets of Manhatten chanting "Death to the U.S., death to the West" and we stand idly by. The west is under attack from those who are using our laws and constitution to realize their ultimate goal:transformation of the West to Sharia/Islam. Our "tolerance" will be our undoing. I see no tolerance on their part, only the goal of conquest. The original name of this project being "The Cordoba Project" is telling. Look it up. They seek our destruction or at least submission. We will bow to Islam once they gain political and cultural dominance, or die!

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August 18, 2010
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4annabeth5:

Sorry to burst your bubble but Timothy McVeigh was a devout athiest. And Islam is a political movement, not a religion, otherwise countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia would not govern by such laws. Eye for an eye. Death in a day, no appeals. Wise up.

August 18, 2010
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najidhussain:

You failed to state your religious stance. I take it from your comments you are Muslim, not Hindu. Either way, you words are reassuring and welcomed. If only the whole of Islam thought in such a manner the fear of the West would be quelled. I hope your words are truly sincere and that you actually voice the opinion of the majority of your culture and religion, whatever it may be. Of all the wars across the world, Muslims are directly involved as the agressors in the vast majority. The world is nearing eruption, but hopefully it is not inevitable. If your words are from the heart, there may be hope.

August 19, 2010
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What we deduct from “Blackandwhite” reasoning is that he/she condones violence as long as it is from “within”!  Very Sad Logic!

 

As for “4annabeth5” below please find the source of my information in response to the two points raised by you.  Clearly, your perception of the Middle East and Persia is prejudice.  If I have learned anything from my global travel over the course of my life is that we are all human beings that share more common values than differences.  The Muslim mothers who mourned their children on 9/11 are no different from the Christian mother’s who did the same.  They both had tears running down the same channel on their faces.  "Humans"

I feel very strongly that Religion is a personal relation between oneself and his god.  My limited “wisdom” is driven from my actual travel and exposure to cultures over the course of the passed 40 years that span from Latin America, America, Europe, Asia, and certainly the Middle East (Egypt my birth place).  I would urge you to travel and become exposed before you pass such strong judgments on other cultures that you know very little off.  And if you can’t perhaps it might be wise to do some reading.  In any case, you are always a welcomed guest in Egypt.  I would be happy to show you the good and the bad in Egypt.  Thereafter, I would request that you add a comment on IReport blogs with an objective opinion based on actual experience and real knowledge.

 

Timothy McVeigh

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)

McVeigh was born in Lockport, New York, the only son and the second of three children of William and Mildred "Mickey" McVeigh, who were Irish Catholics

 

I strongly recommend for you to lookup and read the site below to “wise up” that Islam is a Religion and not a political movement.

 

Major religious groups

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

August 19, 2010
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My personal opinion is that "aymanraafat" , needs to travell a little more and "wise" up a little more. I do completely agree with "kcinjc", that Islam is a not Religion(that is what I have experinced from my travel and seen and heard, though I know it is a religion); but a political movement, from travelling experience. Go to Saudi Arebia with a Bibile or even recording of Christian prayer, they will arrest you and put you in jail.  Where have you seen mr."aymanraafat" in the world, in America, India or Europe?.  Now that is called tolarance.  Travelling free and professing your faith freely.  Tell why, if not for political movement, the coutries that are muslims are really harsh on other religions?  When from among you, some one wants to profess other faith, kill them or even humiliate their family?... as a muslim man you enjoy the freedom of other religion, but other people can not do the same among you or in a muslim contries. Let me ask you this "aymanraafat" why that there any kind of trouble, be it flood, earth quake violence in any muslims countries, the Europe or America comes to its help?  Can not oil rich gulf contries help any other contries in the world? be it muslim or non muslim?

 

To repeat myself: So I think, it is taking advantage of the universal significance of the location, they want build a mosque and not because they feel the pain or they want say they did not do the terror. We know muslims did not do it, so then why build a mosque?

 

No, I do not want to give an idea that fundamental thought of any religion are good(the religions are good only if the people are good, not becasue the laws or priests; be they be hindu, muslim or christin, are good. Violence of any form or shape are not allowed. Love and help each other, the world would be safer.

August 19, 2010
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In Defense Of Religious Freedom

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

 

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

 

THEN THEY CAME for me

and by that time no one was left to speak up."

- Pastor Martin Niemöller

The constitution’s first line in the bill of rights within the first amendment states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.  In today’s United States our founding fathers would be turning over in their graves if they knew that our political establishment (Democratic and Republican) have acquiesced to a double standard of that view towards the Muslim-American community. Similar to the plight of Catholics in the early 20th century or the troubles of Jews through American history, today’s new “hate on us” minority is the Muslim-American community. Sadly, the majority of the American public has not learned from the mistakes of the past. Radical conservative elements within the GOP with people like Newt Gingrich (a Catholic who I hope would understand a minority religion’s dilemmas but sadly does not), Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh have rushed to this issue making a relatively local and public domain issue of NYC a national debate.  Anyone who disagrees with them should not considered “real American” think Sarah Palin, this rhetoric alienates the moderate wing of the Republican party and the conservatives who believe in the core basic principles of the GOP such as respecting the undeniable rights under constitution, limited government, and fiscal conservatism (which is, in my opinion, the most important issue in the country right now). Although I had no love for President Bush during his tenure and disagreed with 99% of his policies, his statements post 9/11 that this was a war on terror and not Islam was reminiscent of an understanding compassionate conservatism that the generally speaking the GOP has lost in the last few years. The problem is not with Islam or Muslims, the problem and the fight lies with radicals, and only radicals, and sadly this where many candidates and politicians in the GOP has taken a different approach as compared to a few years ago. In their anti-Muslim rhetoric they have spewed bigotry on unprecedented levels against the Muslim community. Their hateful and simply wrong characterizations of the Muslim-American community are astounding and needs to be condemned by the people within the GOP who respect the constitution and believe that debate and political discourse in a civilized fashion is the best way to handle the issues and not focus on issues like the “ground zero mosque” which is a fiercely local issue and not a matter for the federal government to dip their noses into instead of concentrating on angry mob-like tirade against a small minority in America. Have no doubt, Democrats and  liberal left-wing associations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)  are as much to blame for not speaking up of this issue, however, with the public sentiment against the construction of the mosque and midterm elections coming very soon, it will be an issue they want to avoid. Sadly most of our politicians do not have the guts to defend the constitution at such a critical time (thank you Bloomberg). They believe that it’s not a question of religious freedom but a question of sensitivity towards the 9/11 victims. This is quite frankly, a terrible argument. The 19 unstable mental killers were not Muslim and ceased being Muslim the minute they killed innocent men, women, and children.  To understand the feelings of the victims of 9/11 is understandable and respect ground zero as hallowed ground is commendable. However, let’s look at the facts—1. The mosque is two blocks from ground zero, 2. Just because it is an Islamic house of worship does not mean that “it shouldn’t be built”, I understand the need to be sensitive towards people’s feelings but not at the cost of limiting my community’s own religious freedom because of their bigoted view of my religion. I fervently disagree with Imam’s Rauf statements on 9/11 but my defense of religious freedom is not just for him, it’s for my community as a whole and for every discriminated religious community (yes even if they worship the color purple, I will defend their right to do so until I die because they have a right to). My father knew people lost in the attacks and my uncle was a survivor, on 9/11 all Americans were attacked. Muslim and Non- Muslim. In America, we live in a PLURALISTIC country which is made up of different sects of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus, etc. This is the strength of our country. It is the beauty of our country. Anyone who believes otherwise should really think about moving out of the country. Thirdly and probably most importantly is the “cause and the

August 19, 2010
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My thoughts on this are as an American citizen for the last 50 years, I have watched the USA open up doors for everyone, and beaten down for it.  My question is when is enough politically correct, correct?  We learn and teach tolerance for EVERYONE on this earth, however, what about the ones who are not tolerant of us, that wish to bring the same problems they have in their countries to ours and turn our country into one like theirs?  Especially those who come from countries who promote terrorism as a way to make a point?  On the other hand, I still cannot go against the basic principles that this country was founded on, and that's everyone's right to the pursuit of happiness, and the right to worship as they wish.  This is an extremely polarizing subject, and my mind changes back and forth all the time (I won't lie about that!).  I think sensitivity should be a part of the decision, but ultimately, and constitutionally, it doesn't have to be part of the decision at all.

August 19, 2010
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Oh, and BTW...for those of you who would say that we don't have enough tolerance for each other in this country, and that I forgot to put that in my last post, well, that is true.  But in this particular case, I was talking about religions only, not our problems we still have with race and such.  Also, we DO learn and teach tolerance for other people in this country, although we're not always the best at it!  Just wanted to clarify this before it becomes an "issue" (can you tell I've blogged alot!).

August 19, 2010
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USMarine 410, have put it so prudently.  I fully respect and agree with your view.  On the other hand I can’t grasp why so much anger and aggression is reflected in “Blackandwhite” writings!  Could it be due to political or religious affiliation?  On one hand “Blackandwhite” denounces the Saudia Arabia regime for not allowing Religious freedom and I quote “Travelling free and professing your faith freely” ” harsh on other religions? “ yet argues to do the same in New York!  On one hand “Blackandwhite” is critical of the lake of tolerance in some Arab nations yet can’t tolerate the existence of a Muslim community center in America!  “Blackandwhite” is hardened by the greed of some rich Arab leaders yet hinders efforts to support cultural diversity and open dialogue?  Is that “wise”?

 

In so many ways, I do agree with “Blackandwhite” that indeed many injustices exist in several countries in the Middle East.  But that is just the point that I am making.

Not in New York and definitely Not in America.  Religious tolerance, freedom of speech and respect for human rights remain the core values of what America is all about.

 

So “Blackandwhite” reasoning works towards affirming my point of view.  Why would “Blackandwhite” or any hardliners want to take that away from America?

 

The tragedy of 9/11 and the construction of the Muslim Center are two completely separate events.  The only reason why some people are linking them is to promote hatred against Islam and benefit by manipulating people’s emotions.  Who is behind it?  What hidden agenda? Who would benefit the most from steering such an issue?

We need more tolerance and moderation in this world to maintain the balance against extremism.

 

August 19, 2010
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Why do we treat people with such disrespect? Let's remember that everyone is human.

We have problems getting along because we're living in the past. Our institutions are too large and entrenched to be of service in our ever-changing world. We've lost our ideals. We're competing for power and control in a meaningless game that's taking us down.

If noboby wins in a game, why do we keep playing?

I say that organized religion is such a game.

Faith has nothing to do with what other people believe.

Faith is a belief in heaven on earth.

If you have real faith, you have an idea of what it means to live in peace without judgement.

Walk in the light. It's easier to see the way.

August 20, 2010
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We have religious freedom in our country, however, CNN is misleading the public with their report on Muslims at the Pentagon.  The chapel is an ALL FAITHS chapel which is SHARED with all religions.  This is completely different than an ALL MUSLIM and NO ONE ELSE NEED ATTEND building at Ground Zero.  Also, why is CNN so involved in trying to prove President Obama is NOT a Muslim?  What is the political agenda?  People don't really care about his religion, they care about his leadership.  Its about time he steps up to the plate and offers real leadership instead of playing the Blame Game.  Grow up....my kids take responsibility for their actions, take responsibility for your actions.

August 20, 2010
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Do you know what an oxy-moron is?

Blaming someone for playing the blame game.

Sounds like negative focus. Look for the bad and you will surely find it. That's what they call 'self-fulfilling prophesy.

August 20, 2010
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>>>>>> MODERATE ISLAM DOES NOT EXIST <<<<<<

" We muslims know the ground zero mosque is

meant to ba a DELIBERATE PROVOCATION(FITNA)

published by Nancy Kennon of American Family

Security , and announced by Rush Limbaugh.

Jeffrey Toobin,Roland Martin,Chris Matthews,

Keith Olberman,Mayor Bloomberg,obama & others

have only opinions but no facts. To learn the

truth about islamic agenda, watch these videos:

"What Islam is Not"

"Progressive Islam"

"Muslim Demographics"

"Ban Shariah"  ( Newt Gingrich )

"Warning to AMERICA" (Geert Wilders-Netherlands)

"No mosque @ Ground Zero"(Pat Condell- Britain)

"Kill the Ground Zero Mosque" ( TV ad )

"Islam in AMERICA"(Brigitte Gabriel- Lebanon )

"Radical islam:Why&How it Threatens AMERICA(same)

"Stop Islamization of AMERICA" (Pamela Geller)

Also go to "Stop Muslim Immigration"

      www.petitionspot.com  

You must realize that the agenda of islam is total

control and domination of AMERICA & the world.

Do not make the mistake of believing anything

said by the leaders of islam - " THEY LIE ".

>>>> NO MOSQUE AT OR NEAR THIS SACRED SITE <<<<

August 21, 2010
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aymanraafat:

Sorry, being born to Christian parents does not make you a Christian. If that were true then Obama is a Muslim, which would explain a lot. Other sources claim McVeigh was agnostic at best if not a complete athiest. And even if he was, one sicko Christian has been trumped by hundreds if not thousands of murderous Islamic maniacs, which seems to be the trend.

August 21, 2010
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It is Ramadan, let us pitch in and then include the money that is meant for the Islamic center, give to the poor and suffering people of Pakistan, is that all right?

 

It can be done if our muslim brothern had any good feeling towards their own kind, the only time the give "charitable money" to their brothern is for Jihad, but for now let us disprove that and give all money that is meant for the center to the people of Pakistan.  By the way, again where are the oil rich, can they help Pakistan.  May be they are too busy building nuclear reactor in Iran.

 

Love each other and help each other, save our world.  God,(Bhagavan, allah, God,Bhudha and Yahove) help us all.

August 22, 2010
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Pardon my ability to see the truth, but....

 

Muslims across the world danced in the streets (even in New York)and handed out candy in celebration of the destruction brought about by Islamists. They continue to celebrate any attacks on the West in general, whether in the U.S. or abroad. Pakistanis are approximately 70% anti-American, yet we extend our hand in sympathy and support during their suffering of the monsoons that are submerging their entire country. You won't ever see any Islamic nation extending a hand in support of any sufferings of the West whether it be hurricanes, earthquakes, or blatent attacks with the sole intent of killing off our population. What suckers we are.

August 22, 2010
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Clearly your Comment on President Obama exposes your political affiliation and possible religious views.  Besides, you are missing the point being the world trade center attack and the establishments of the Muslim center are two independent issues. Indeed there seems to be a trend as you have put it yet that trend represents thousands of maniacs who are full of hatred, prejudice, malice and aggression towards their fellow humans.  The current trend is to attack Islam and misrepresent what it truly stands for.  The trend is to generalize, profile and group over 2 billion people in one category.  The trend is to incite religious persecutions similar to the dark ages and fuel extremism on both ends.  The trend is to attack moderate Muslims “like myself” who are open to dialogue and provide grounds for fanaticism to grow on both sides of the world.  Is that what you call “wise” and “wising up”!

 

May God Have Mercy On Your Sole.

 

What saddens me most is that you reflect no compassion or mercy for your fellow human beings in need of help in Pakistan.  Regardless, whether you are capable or not to provide any help.  Instead you find it in your heart to proclaim that there is no ground for you to aid another human beings throughout tragedy.  Perhaps, at times, we have the ability to we see what we want to see and in so many cases it is hardly “seeing the truth”

 

The truth lies in having true faith that doing right by others will always prevail.  “Walk in the light. It's easier to see the way”.

 

My question to you is what do you benefit from your incitement and attacks?  We moved from a discussion on the legal right of establishing a Muslim center on a property in lower Manhattan to an aggression against Islam and know encouragement to prevent assistance to millions of innocent Muslims to prevent death? Why?  Are you an independent citizen who is reflecting his own opinion or do you represent a political group or a religious organization?

Perhaps if you as well as “blackandwhite” would both identify who you represent it could shed some light behind the legitimacy and credibility of your argument.  Is there a hidden political agenda there somewhere? 

 

August 22, 2010
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“Kcinjc”

One more point to be made, using your own words, hardliners on this end of the world would argue that Sadam Hussien was not a maniac.   “And even if he was, one sicko Muslim has been trumped by hundreds if not thousands of murderous Christian maniacs, which seems to be the trend.

No one wins using your logic.  We all lose…………..

 

August 22, 2010
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Notwithstanding all arguments for and against descriptions of rights versus courtesies and all the rest...to me the very idea of a new bigger mosque (nearly anywhere but in particular in such close proximity the the WTC site) is a profound insult. Those who profess to be islamic (lower case on purpose) are quite deliberately using our government and the rights it grants against us (and, I suspect, laughing at us for being soft and foolish). Would they allow us the same "right" if the roles were reversed? How many new churches have been built in any islamic country you could name? None that I know of.

August 23, 2010
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I believe that the mosque should be move to another location. They already have plenty of mosques in New York why there!!!

August 23, 2010
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aymanraafat

Evidence proves that Mulsims are responsible for the overwhleming majority of voilent attacks against even other Muslims. That is the trend whether you accept it or not. If you try to use actions of hudreds of years ago you are not accepting current events. Christians are not the agressors these days. They have evolved whereas Mulsims live under the influence of ancient Caliphat. Times have changed, and so should the mindset of Islamists. Christians reach out a hand and it gets bitten.

August 24, 2010
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Is freedom of religion only valid in certain places in the US?

August 24, 2010
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This whole Mosque NEAR  ground zero issue is completely stupid.  Of coarse they can build a church to worship God.  Allah and God are the same God.  The twisted individuals who think Killing for God is needed (like he cant smite on his own) are ignorant in the first place.  Just because they call themselves Muslim don't make all Muslims terrorist.  How many people worried about Muslims before 9/11.  I sure we were more worried about Saddam Insane, and not labeling his waked out nature Muslim.  Muslims may look different, talk different, and worship different than most Americans but we fight next to them everyday against the same Lunatics that shoot at US.  The multitude of Terrorist Cells are the problem they just happen to be Muslim as well (and not very good ones at that.  Rightfully so, plenty of sick Christians are out there talking about "Thank God for dead Soldiers" and we still build giant crosses to represent the same Christ.  That group who claim to be Christians are dumb.  Not all Christians agree with them so its not Christians I hate its the group or groups that do. If there is large number of Muslims in that area who don't have a reasonable place to worship then build a Mosque.  Id like to see the Muslim to Mosque ratio of the area before even considering bringing the rest of the world into the decision.  Lets also consider who specifically is going to flip the bill for such a project.  

August 24, 2010
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NO MOSQUE ALL IT DOES IS BREED JIHADISTS THAT WILL DO MORE HARM TO OUR COUNTRY....WAKE-UP AMERICA AND GET REAL WITH THIS THING.....

August 26, 2010
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Kcinjc 

(false premise and false reasoning)

 

Hardly so, the renowned fanatic orthodox Jews and the extreme right wing Christians have also hardly evolved as some Muslim groups known as (Salafeyoun) havent.  The (Salafeyoun) groups preach that Islam should adhere to its original methodology year 001!.  Believe it or not they condemn music as “sinful”.  All three extreme groups being Jewish, Christian or Muslims are what I am arguing against.  The teachings and preaching of all three groups are the same.  No tolerance, No compromise and No acceptance of any other faith.  “Each group thinks that they are the “chosen” ones”.  Yah right.

 

You stated and I quote “Evidence proves that Muslims are responsible for the over whelming majority of violent attacks against even other Muslims” Which evidence are you exactly referring too ?  Please provide your documented survey and proof.  Let’s document what a group of Christians did yesterday to other fellow Christians.

 

Yesterday CNN Reported that 0ver 200 Women & Children where Raped in Congo

 

Wikipedia Main article: Religion in the Democratic Republic of the Congo

 

Christianity is the majority religion in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, followed by about 90% of the population. Denominations include Roman Catholic 55% and Protestant (including Kimbanguism) 35%. Animism accounts for 2.4%.[65].

 

What evidence again?  Perhaps you are referring to a comparative analysis that you have conducted between the following: -

1.     Israel massacre at Sabra, 

2.     The IRS violence in Ireland 

3.     ETA violence in Spain,

4.     Mexico’s Drug Lords,

5.     Somalia Brotherhood, 

6.     Al Qaeda,

7.     Columbian rebels

8.     The Serbs massacre in Bosnia

9.     Ruanda massacre

10.     The US unwarranted war in Iraq

11.      Israel massacre at Shatilla? 

 

Do you have accurate account of the violent attacks and number of DEAD people for each of the aforementioned mentioned groups?  Perhaps when you finish your accurate calculations and proper research THEN and only THEN could you justify your presently fabricated accusations and false statements.

 

You mentioned something about Christians “reach out a hand and it gets bitten”...Tell me know which hand where Congo sick people extending to the raped women and children?  What exactly where you referring too!  Or perhaps you where referring to the extended hand with a knife to the innocent New York Muslim cab driver earlier today!

 

As far as trends, “whether you accept it or not” and sad as it may be, is the growing trend of increased violence all over the world from radical groups regardless of religion and ethnicity.  Nevertheless, reading through CNN’s blog I sense a strong goal among limited groups in America to create an unwarranted trend of Anti Islamic sentiments.  Clearly these groups must have a hidden political agenda that would justify such a concentrated effort. 

 

Realizing that New York represents one of the strongest holds for Jewish groups in the US the idea of a hidden political agenda should not be ignored.  In addition, Extreme Right Wing Christians groups would drive that negative campaign as well.  Both groups could use this opportunity to capitalize on and exercise their strong presence in the local community to drive a negative image of Islam.  It could serve them well for their political agenda.  Unless you represent one of the two groups you should Think About It!

 

As long as Islam and the Muslims remain the “Evil” and presented as “Anti American” the support for Israel and it’s political agenda remains well and alive.  The aim is to kill the spirit of the moderate groups and feed on people’s insecurities and “in many cases” ignorance of Islam.

 

These groups’ objective is to inflame anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States. 

Think about it, it would be so much easier to pass laws, adjust policies and provide more aid to Israel or any other conservative hidden agenda.  Perhaps you should research who is behind all the key movements against the center in New York to “see the truth”.  Because frankly speaking this issue is getting way out of proportion and does not warrant all that anger from the community.

 

I ASK YOU IN ALL HONESTY

 

What warrants more anger and debate, the renovation of an existing building to create a cultural center, or the barbaric rape of 200 innocent women and children?  "Wise UP"

 

August 31, 2010
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Ok, wise-guy. You speak of one attack by some nut-job against a Muslim taxi-driver, and I agree that was appalling. I would like to smack that guy around myself, but you conveniently erase from memory the recent "execution" of several doctors and aids by the Taliban in Afghanistan (or was it Pakistan, they seem to be of the same Neanderthal mentality). There's your "bitten hand". And you ask for evidence. Here's some from just the past two months. I had to cut it short because they won't all fit on this post there are so many, and the count keeps climbing. You try to equate other acts by what you label as Christians but they were all done by persons not in the name their faith as the Islmaists do but attack against their government or populace by a corrupt government-controlled army, not in the name of their "faith". Nice try. BTW-this is my last post here. It has turned into a debate amongst us two which doesn't serve the goal of this site's posts. Don't bother to respond because I'm done with you.

 

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months (yeah, only two months)

 

Date Country City Killed Injured Description

2010.08.31 Afghanistan Badakhshan 3 0 Three Oxmam humanitarian workers are taken out in a brutal roadside blast.

2010.08.31 Afghanistan Kabul 3 12 Three supreme court employees are riddled with bullets by Holy Warriors.

2010.08.31 Israel Hebron 4 0 A pregnant woman is among four young Jews gunned down in cold blood by Palestinian terrorists.

2010.08.30 Afghanistan Jalalabad 1 3 The Taliban assassinate a local official with a bomb.

2010.08.30 Iraq Baghdad 1 3 Jihadi car bombers kill a civilian.

2010.08.30 Somalia Mogadishu 4 8 Four guards at the presidential palace are killed during an al-Shabaab mortar attack.

2010.08.29 Afghanistan Kabul 6 0 Five election workers and a candidate are kidnapped and murdered by Taliban freedom fighters.

2010.08.29 Philippines Bukidnon 0 2 'Irate Muslims' throw a grenade into a Catholic church during mass.

2010.08.29 Chechnya Tsentoroi 7 5 A wave of armed Islamists attack a village, killing at least seven.

2010.08.29 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 2-year-old boy dies after being shot in the head by Muslim militants.

2010.08.29 Iraq Mosul 5 12 A woman is among five Iraqis murdered by Islamic terrorists.

2010.08.29 Pakistan Khyber 2 4 The Taliban kill two local soldiers with a roadside bomb.

2010.08.29 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A middle-aged Buddhist couple are shot to death in their pickup by Islamic separatists.

2010.08.28 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 40-year-old man is shot in the head by Muslim militants.

2010.08.28 Pakistan Khyber 1 0 A local soldier is kidnapped and shot full of holes by Mujahideen.

2010.08.28 Yemen Abyan 10 2 Ten local soldiers are ambushed and killed by terrorists who burn their bodies while chanting 'Allah akbar.'

2010.08.27 Iraq Mosul 1 0 The body of a Christian man is found several days after he is kidnapped.

2010.08.27 Nigeria Borno 3 0 Boko Haram Islamists shoot three policemen to death in two drive-bys.

2010.08.27 Iraq Shurqat 3 3 A suspected al-Qaeda attack leaves three dead.

2010.08.27 Iraq Baaj 3 0 Three Iraqis are gunned down by Muhahid.

2010.08.27 Iraq Mahaweel 2 0 A blast takes down two civilians.

2010.08.27 Thailand Yala 1 0 A young woman is shot to death by Religion of Peace proponents.

2010.08.27 Iraq Kirkuk 1 3 A child is taken down by Islamic bombers.

2010.08.27 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A middle-aged Buddhist couple is brutally murdered by Muslim gunmen as they are returning from market.

2010.08.27 Pakistan Ghaziabad 1 0 A 35-year-old mother of three is killed by her brother on suspicion of unauthorized sex.

2010.08.27 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 21-year-old man is murdered by Muslim gunmen.

2010.08.26 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 30-year-old teacher is shot to death by Islamic radicals while leaving school.

2010.08.26 Afghanistan Kunduz 8 1 Eight policemen are machine-gunned to death by Taliban ambushers.

2010.08.26 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 42-year-old civilian dies from injuries after being shot twice in the chest by Muslim militants.

2010.08.26 Somalia Mogadishu 14 8 Fourteen Somalis are shredded by two al-Shabaab bomb blasts.

2010.08.26 Iraq Mosul 4 11 Children are among the casualties in a series of Mujahideen attacks.

2010.08.26 Iraq Muqdadiya 6 0 Six Sunnis are gunned down by suspected al-Qaeda.

2010.08.26 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Islamists murder the son of a surrendered militant.

2010.08.26 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 52-year-old man is killed in a Muslim ambush.

2010.08.26 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down a Buddhist railway worker.

2010.08.26 Philippines Balili 4 0 Maranao Muslims pull four people off a bus and shoot them to death.

2010.08.25 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Islamic militants shoot a tax collector to death on his way home.

2010.08.25 Iraq Baghdad 63 277 Jihadis take out over sixty Iraqis in a series of coordinated blasts from Basra to Kut.

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September 4, 2010
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It would behoove us to admit the truth when intellectually challenged and our lies exposed rather than misrepresent the statistics and documented facts.  Clearly, a narrow snap shot is NO evidence to support the false claim that Muslim’s should be singled out as “the” most violet people!

On the contrary, by listing 38 individual violent acts conducted by few Muslims (which I condemn) that resulted in the death of 165 innocent people IT FADES in comparison by only 2 violent acts committed by few people of Christians and Jewish faith that resulted in the death of 11,372 innocent Muslims.

 

One violent act by a Jewish group massacred 3000 Muslims in Sabra and Shatila and a second violent act by Christians massacred 8372 Muslims in the genocide at Bosnia.  Of Course, “Bush” murdered 654,965 innocent Musilms who where the victims of both Christian and Jewish unwarranted violent aggression in Iraq (according to Lancent Study).

 

Surely, if statistics are the base by which we evaluate the violence associated with various faiths’ then the lever clearly favors Christianity and Judaism as the most violent in recent history.

 

The United Nations statistic published at Nation Master.com reports that the top five countries with the highest violent murders in the world are (India, Russia, Colombia, South Africa and the United States) in that order.  The aforementioned five countries enjoy a majority of Christian population.  On a second UN statistic on the number of total crimes per country the United States lead the top five (US, UK, Germany, France and Russia).  Again all countries are predominantly of Christian and Jewish faith population.

 

Henceforth, if we accept the false premise that violence is directly related to faith.  The statistics alone would condemn Judaism and Christianity over Islam.  Violence is a human nature independent of people’s faith.

 

So to conclude, violence is a global phenomenon that is manifested in many ways among all peoples with various ethnic groups and various faiths’. Violence is hardly exclusive to any one religious but is rather limited to evil groups of humans on both sides.

 

IT IS PREJUDICE, UNTRUTHFUL, DECEPTIVE AND MISLEADING to select and single out Islam as a violent faith?

Malicious people who associate them selves’ with religion to cover up their immoral agenda’s and fuel prejudice to feed on vulnerable soles among us shall not succeed.  Violence only breads more violence.  Be watchful of political groups with hidden agendas.

 

The late President Sadat (God rest his sole) was our great leader who had the vision and wisdom to extend his hand in peace to our Jewish Cousins and succeeded in establishing peace.  Muslims faith requires the admittance and acceptance of all of the Abraham’s faith Judaism and Christianity as part of our fundamentals.  Extreme Muslims assassinated him because they also had the same limited vision similar to the people who oppose the establishment of the center.  The bottom line, we have more in common than differences.

A cultural center would shed more light on our commonalities rather than focus on our differences.

 

May God have mercy on all our soles and show us the light.

 

Shalom, Peace , Salam

 

September 8, 2010
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If we religionize then we marginalize & this is exactly the reaction of the majority ordinary people in America.

 

History is a good mirror of our past.

 

We seriously need to have a hard look and decide if  this is the legacy we want to leave behind for our future Generations.

 

A cultural centre as most comments propose is the Best else the Twin Towers once more, which am sure most people would agree.   

September 9, 2010
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Q- Who attacked us on 9/11?

A- Al-Qaeda.

Q- What does Al-Qaeda represent?

A- Al-Qaeda represent the distorted, out of context and conveniently justified view of Islam by extremist to fulfill their own agenda.

Islam is not Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda is not representing Islam.

Dont you think we would have had several more 9/11s

(considering the 5 million Muslim population in America)  IF the core teaching of Islam was to kill innocent people?

Islam says "killing one human being is like killing all humanity".

Mosque is being built for people of faith not fight. Remember hate always generates more hate.

September 12, 2010
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om : Simba Mfuesse Eduardo

        

        13501 Wentworth Street

         Arleta , California 91331

 

Complaint against State of California

                         US Immigration and Homeland Security

                         Department of Justice

 

C.C. : Acngola Republica

C.C.C: Congo Democratique Republique

 

To the Attention to whom be considery.

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

My name is Simba Mfuesse Eduardo ; my 1-20 legale name was writting as Simba First name and Eduardo Last name .as I receive my visa at US consulat in 09/29/2004 Receipt#4003970 with my original passport #N0358837 and 1-94#898085908.10 receive in the entrance from Houston on 10/06/2004 and my 1-20 #N00o2077763 Calif.Int'l U.#LOS214F0972.000 approved on 05/24/2003.

I never unrespect American rule or did something criminal.in 2004 I lost my passport with my original 1-94 .immediately after a Police report was make and another Passport #N0441070 was issued to me after I personaly travel to Houston where my Angola Republica Consulat is located.while I apply for an I-102 replacement for 1-94 with sending all my original Documents Copy my 1-94 was not returned to me correctly because my name was transposed as Simba last name and Eduardo First name.so I have to return it to them to conform it with my legal document as 1-20, passports, Drive License,Identification but they never return it to me on time while they supposed to know that I need it for get a Social Security# and work on Campus.but in 2007 I need it also to tranfer and re-instate.I never receive it if I heard from them that they send it on 2008.

 

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