Thursday, August 19, 2010
CNN iReport roundtable: Thursdays at 3 p.m. ET

Please join us in here in the blog at 3 p.m. ET for our weekly  roundtable discussion. It's your chance to meet fellow iReporters and  talk with us about what's going on n the CNN iReport community.

 

We will open comments at 3 p.m. ET and will talk with you then.

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August 19, 2010
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Hi everyone and welcome.

 

August 19, 2010

Hello

August 19, 2010
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Hello Hello from VERY sunny San Diego. :)

August 19, 2010
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Hi Davidw....

August 19, 2010
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Hi davidw; don't know how long I'll be around. On call and all...

August 19, 2010
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Hi everyone from Berlin.

August 19, 2010
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Good to see everyone. Anybody got anything they want to talk about to get things started?

August 19, 2010
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Just want to say congratulations to Henry on his new little bundle of joy...

August 19, 2010
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greetings!

August 19, 2010
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If I can start off for just a min since I may have to leave. I've noticed a lot of people getting banned recently. Some appear to be fairly abitrary. I know about the CoPs, but it seems to be followed in an arbitrary manner of late. Any thoughts?

August 19, 2010
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I know there are many political and religious "hot buttons" out there of late, but the level of disrespect and name calling is really getting a bit tiresome at times, IMO

August 19, 2010
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Greetings from NYC. 

 

Congrats, Henry.  :o)

August 19, 2010
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Long Beach,CA

August 19, 2010
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millions and millions to pakistan yet FEMA rejects help to the citizens of our owm milwaukee, wi. residents for the flood that just happened here!!!

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c -- I'd really rather not have to ban people. I don't enjoy it and it often causes problems I would prefer not to have to deal with.

I do have to do it sometimes when people get really far out of line.

One thing that I think adds to the confusion you're describing is that in some cases, people have deactivated, which gives the appearance that I may have banned someone unfairly.

August 19, 2010
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madinwi - Similar happenings when Nashville flooded...go figure.

August 19, 2010
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Hello from Long Beach/Los Angeles

August 19, 2010
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we'll pass along all your congrats to henry. he's out of the office for the next several weeks on well-deserved parental leave. :)

August 19, 2010
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Is the travel snapshots destination this week really Cuba?

 

August 19, 2010
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Hi all. It is a beautifully hot day in Kingwood, TX

August 19, 2010
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Hey all, happy Thursday!

August 19, 2010
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Fair enough, david. Anyway whe removed bar could be a different color if the individual was banned by CNN? Red for banned, blue for self deactivation, etc.

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c -- I agree with you completely. We're not asking people to agree, or even to like each other.

I do think that everyone who posts here deserves to be treated with respect.

 

August 19, 2010
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I report them when they might be doing something illegal (literally)

August 19, 2010
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@JoyfulGypsy -- Looks like it is. Should be interesting to see what people share.

August 19, 2010
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@davidw who is handling Henry's assignments?  I've been reporting on the America's Got Talent show since it started this season but unless Henry is in the office it doesn't get taken care of now.

August 19, 2010
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@David, the whole issue of comments is one that is huge for me. As I've stated before, I won't post political iReports because it gets so ugly. Are you still working on ways around this issue?

August 19, 2010

@mab91c -- I think the color coded removed bar would be a great improvement. Could prevent alot of people from posting complaints about bans that might just be people deactivating.

August 19, 2010
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@davidw

Giving the heated discussions on my posts without banning I must say that commenters are pretty free to express themselves. I think that is great. We would not want people scared to express their innermosts so we can really really discuss.

August 19, 2010
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mab91c I guess I just dont understand what is wrong with the people of the united states. we really need to wake up.

August 19, 2010
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The comments thing is so out of control it's impossible to read almost any story without there being all kinds of racist, ugly comments, even when they have no real connection to the story...

August 19, 2010
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@davidw - Should be interesting to see what US citizens have been to Cuba lately and how they were able to travel there.

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c and @Autarkh -- I'm hoping that we won't have to take that step. There are a lot of non-technical things we can all do. The best thing would be to simply treat others the way you'd like to be treated.

 

August 19, 2010
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US citizen beware who posts a travel photo from Cuba. LOL

August 19, 2010
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Good point, EWillies. For example, EWillies and I get into it at times. I respect him for his posts and his insight. I do not agree with him on somethings, and I agree on others (as he has with me). See, he and I should conduct a "Beer Summit" here in Texas for all to see how people of different minds can still be civil to each other!

August 19, 2010
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@davidw the comments page isn't as interactive as a chat. Is this on purpose?

August 19, 2010
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@JoyfulGypsy indeed! i can't wait to see all the cuba shots. i know several people who have been able to go there as students, and seeing their photos was amazing.

August 19, 2010
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As an example, the story about Mia Farrow helping the children of Africa got some unbelievably ugly comments. Someone suggested that comments only be allowed on stories where commentary is called for..what do you think of that?

August 19, 2010
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@Joyful...didn't Obama open up travel to Cuba, for Cubans?

August 19, 2010
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ChrisMorrow - Good point on the Cuba photos. I know there is no way I would ever go there (nor could I) for several reasons.

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c

I am for the beer summit brother. Please don't 2nd ammendment on me OK :)

August 19, 2010
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@KCRep yup! people with family in cuba are now able to go. and students, journalists, and other "educational" groups have been able to go to cuba for awhile now.

August 19, 2010
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About the travel shots...Hopefully there are people who live in Cuba who can post photos. Plus, all the people who used to live in Cuba may have pics to share. I look forward to seeing them!

August 19, 2010
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I must go soon, but I wanted to say that I'll be in South Africa tomorrow working on a couple of personal projects.  Is there any particular South African issue iReport staff would like to see addressed in an iReport from there?   

 

I'll be back later to check for any response. 

 

Have a great day, everyone. 

August 19, 2010
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EWillies - Not a chance my friend, not a chance; can't carry a sidearm in a 51% establishment or higher!

August 19, 2010
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KCReps - yes, to Cubans.

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron -- Moderating the comments is a really difficult dance. We want a free flowing debate but we don't want it to get out of hand.

 

August 19, 2010
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@joyfulgypsy

 

Have a great time in South Africa.

August 19, 2010
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Well, not to mention that CNN is international and people from other countries must have visited Cuba. It's a tourist destination still for many.

August 19, 2010
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The refresh button takes away from any live comment I might want to talk about, but it is hilarious that people will sit there and refresh the page half of the day just to try to get a point a across.

August 19, 2010
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As a side note, I've read several posts where it is being said that the building of mosques are being protested around the country. Unfortunately, that's probably true, however, here in San Antonio, they just opened a beautiful 17,000sqft mosque and cultural center on 3.5 acres and not one protest in sight. Beautiful building.

August 19, 2010
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I have taught in several elementary schools in the Atlanta metro public schools the last 10 years.  My daughter is a teacher, as well. 

 

State administrators, school administrators, teachers, are all held accountable to the dotted i for progress or lack thereof.  Teachers are even responsible for attendance of their students.  With the arrival of technology in the classroom, teachers may be expected to read as many as 100 lengthy emails every day.  How they find time to teach, I do not know.  If you really want progress and improvement, there are a couple of ways to do it.  First, parents and their children must be held accountable and they must all have more faith in what our teachers have learned when they earned their degrees (some of them multiple and with honors.)  Second, parents should not email teachers and expect a prompt reply at any hour of the day.  Teachers are furloughed in our State and have had no actual raise because of the cost of health insurance connected to the Governor.  In over 8 years there has been a 24% pay cut plus $1,000 or more for two years in furloughs.  Yet everyone expects more and more.  Teachers may be given new tools without training as to how to use them.  They are no longer paid for training, nor are they paid for membership in professional organizations.  Text books are becoming more scarce as class sizes increase.  New text books have been postponed (in science and language arts) for two years now, but were scheduled to be replaced.  That is postponed indefinitely.  There are children placed in the "least restricted environment" that belong in a classroom with "special friends."  That is, you cannot expect a child sans sufficient IQ to complete academics at the pace and level of a child with even average IQ.  If they have mental problems (yes, some go to class on a psychiatric facility pass to take tests) they may be a distraction as well.  Parents and their students must fight to eliminate these problems through their legislators.  Parents need to participate at school and they most of all need to support administration and teachers.  It is difficult to accept, but your child may not be a genius and your child's behavior may be a constant distraction to other students in a class that is too large.  Do not depend on your child to tell the truth about their behavior 100% of the time, either.  Parents in the U.S. need to give a great deal of thought about these things before they criticize.  Our kids today are our future and they must compete in a global community in which many nations who have students extremely far ahead of U.S. students.  In many other nations, comments are made about the rudeness of U.S. citizens, by the way.  Parents should most of all teach their children simple courtesy and they should model it to their children.

August 19, 2010
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@KevinJCruz - We would like to have a more responsive chat system, but it hasn't been the highest priority. This has worked for us even though it's kind of wonky.

August 19, 2010
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May I suggest a travel photo assignment for Russia?  My son is going next month to Moscow and St. Petersberg and he is a photographer.

August 19, 2010

@Mab91c -- That is so true. There is a difference between protesting the LOCATION of a Mosque and the idea of building one at all. A big difference.

August 19, 2010
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I think having a more chat like comments area would reduce the number of belligerent iReports people post because they can chat it away.

August 19, 2010
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@David, I know and I feel for you. But it seems no matter what the story, someone will find a reason to attack and get ugly. To my mind, it really demeans the whole site to see that everywhere I go. Not to mention, I think it inhibits some people from wanting to tell their story...

August 19, 2010
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@david

 

oh ok.

August 19, 2010
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@Autarkh.....so true!!  Big difference....

August 19, 2010
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Hi guys! I'm here peeking in! Busy day. Great discussion!

August 19, 2010
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@KevinJCruz -- I misunderstood your question. I don't know if a chat would work or not. It's something to think about though.

 

August 19, 2010
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Speaker, this is the wrong forum for that rant.

August 19, 2010
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aaaaaand as nicole checks in, i need to check out a bit early. nice chatting with you guys today. see you next week!

August 19, 2010
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That was it for me. Have a good day and have fun iReporting.

August 19, 2010
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@KCRep -- I'm not sure if Russia's coming up or not. But we'd still love for your son to share his photos.

August 19, 2010
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@nsaidi....hello

August 19, 2010
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@David and @KevinJCruz, I think a chat would be problematic because chat moves so fast and it might be harder to keep up. I agree this is wonky but it works because you can take your time and read all the responses without them moving up and out of view.

August 19, 2010
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I know you're looking for 'instant assignments' like the window and I thought of this.. Take a picture of the first thing you see today that made you smile. :)

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron.....I agree with you about the chat...it seems streaming would be so nice and it should be workable.

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron -- That's a really fun one.

August 19, 2010
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One other problem with many of the more prolific and ...aggressive...posters are the fact that they are totally anonymous. I know that no one has to post a picture/avatar or any other information, but that anonymity allows for a lot of ugly comments. I know we can't get around that, but I've taken to rarely responding to a faceless entity. Seems to work.

August 19, 2010
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That should read 'you saw...' bad grammar. :(

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c That's excellent advice.

August 19, 2010
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am i the only one who has a problem with helping out all of these other countries while we sit idle watching our own country fall to its own demise?

August 19, 2010

@madinwi - no you are not. You should post about it.

August 19, 2010
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@mab91c It's so true. Most of the really ugly stuff gets put up by what I call 'hit and run' posters. They register just so they can attack people here. I don't know what the answer to that is, but it needs fixing.

August 19, 2010
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@madinwi -- Welcome to CNN iReport and I'm glad you made it to the roundtable.

I would encourage you to post that question as an iReport.

This forum is more for discussions about what's going on on the site.

August 19, 2010
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madinwi.....no, you are not the only one.

August 19, 2010
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@madinwi

I would love to see your point of view in an iReport on that one!

August 19, 2010
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@David, so any new assignments down the pike? Also, is the music icon an ongoing assignment? I need to get my Mick Jagger pics out of storage. lol

August 19, 2010
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@everyone -- Going back to the comment issues, I would encourage everyone to hit the "report violation" link if you see something that's objectionable.

Our moderators check the violations regularly and I also go through them at least once a day.

 

I've tried to have a light hand on when moderating and not pull things unless I have to, but it sounds like that might need to change.

August 19, 2010
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@davidw....can banned iReporters be allowed to come back and if so, how should they go about doing that?  There is one that was banned this week that has been here forever and I don't understand what he did to get banned.

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron -- The music icon assignment has closed. It was connected to a new show on CNN international. You should still post the Mick Jagger photos when you get a chance.

 

I'm sure we'll have some new assignments soon.

One new one is asking how we can fix our schools

http://ireport.cnn.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=319206

 

 

August 19, 2010
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@davidw

I hope there is a way back in. A commenter may have just had a bad day. One could have a petition form for reconsideration otherwise they use a new pseudonym and continuity is lost.

August 19, 2010
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Personally, david, I feel it goes back to what is drastically missing anymore in everyday society: Common sense and common decency. Seems that that very few individuals self regulate anymore. In media, movies, music, etc. whatever seems to push hte most buttons makes the headlines. Actually a pretty sad commentary on us as a whole.

August 19, 2010
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@David, yes, I think the comments need to be moderated more strictly, even if it means more cries of censorship. Well, haven't these folks ever heard of 'self-censorship' and respect? CNN has the right to remove objectionable comments and I think should excercise that right. It would make dot com a much more pleasant experience for everyone, in my opinion.

August 19, 2010
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Heya gang, jumping in for the last quarter.

August 19, 2010
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@KCRep -- When we find previously banned users we will ban them again. Sometimes it's hard to confirm that it's them.

Please hit the report user link when you suspect someone and we'll check it out.

 

August 19, 2010
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@zdan

 

Hello hello! :)

August 19, 2010
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Another thought is to allow the iReporters to delete or remove objectionable comments like you can do on youtube. I love that option on youtube.

August 19, 2010
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Hey hey, Chris!

August 19, 2010
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I am new today to this so this may seem like a dumb question but how exactly do I do that??

August 19, 2010
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Of course, I'm referring to removing comments from your own iReports... As for reporting violations, I do it, but it seems like a thankless task.

August 19, 2010

@mcintron - Then EWillies would delete all my comments! Just kidding.. but seriously, I think that people would delete comments they did not like vs comments that are violations of the rules.

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron -- That's something to consider, but we'll have to think about it really hard. I'm afraid some people would delete any comments that were more critical than "I love you, you're so smart."

 

August 19, 2010
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@Autarkh

You know better than that. I actually like debating you:)

August 19, 2010

@ EWillies - of course i was just kidding..

August 19, 2010
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@Autarkh, maybe, but I suspect most people who upload political topics welcome open debate. It's the attackers that need to be deleted, and in any case, that would be up to them. If they deleted people for disagreeing too often, no one would comment anymore so there's that incentive...

August 19, 2010
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Do we have iReporters from Cuba? I mean people who are living there. Is it possible?

August 19, 2010
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@markpel -- I'm not sure if one could iReport from Cuba or not. People do travel there though.

August 19, 2010
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@David, LOL. I love you, you're so smart! ;)

August 19, 2010
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I uploaded a story that was vetted on the beautiful Cuban Orchid show at the Botanical Gardens here in NY. Do those photos qualify? lol

August 19, 2010
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mcintron, very good!

August 19, 2010
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Gotta get back to work. Have a great week and wear your sunscreen. :)

August 19, 2010
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@mcintron - You might be right about the comment behavior. I hadn't thought about it that way.

I look around and see what other communities are doing and talk to some folks about it.

 

 

August 19, 2010
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@David, back to the option to delete comments. Most iReporters love getting comments and are really proud of the number of responses they get to their stories. I don't think the ability to delete the attackers would be abused.

August 19, 2010
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How Cubans are living outside Cuba could be also very interesting.

August 19, 2010
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@madinwi -- It's not a dumb question if you don't know the answer.

You can go to this link http://ireport.cnn.com/upload/?displayLang=en and follow the instructions to upload an iReport.

 

You can also go to our assignment page: http://ireport.cnn.com/community/assignment to see what stories we're following.

 

 

August 19, 2010
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@markpel, thanks, but what's very good? It seems I've been typing non-stop today. lol

August 19, 2010

@mcintron - that's actually a good point.

August 19, 2010
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Thanks everybody for a great discussion. I've got to go.

I know I promised we'd do an instant assignment, but I think this discussion was more important.

We'll do it another time.

Have a great week.

August 19, 2010

Bye!

August 19, 2010
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I rarely, if ever, would delete a comment. I have reported a few, but not many unless they start getting violent in nature or personal attacks. I say let the ugly comments stand (unless it is getting personal) as it will show the idiocy of the said poster.

August 19, 2010
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See  you next week...

August 19, 2010
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So long everyone.

August 19, 2010
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mcintron, your comment on David.

August 19, 2010
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'K, see you all next week.

 

David, thanks for all your hard work on the comments section. I know it's not easy.

August 19, 2010
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Have a wonderful day!!!

August 19, 2010
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I am late as usual so many ireporters that were banned are here I remember them very well may I send you their names David? thanks

September 4, 2010
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The Wild French Invasion

 

 

French President Sarkozy is correct, for extreme times, you need extreme measures dealing with the new invading immigration, not only flooding France but America and all of Europe. In the case of France, it is the Arabs and the  Romanians, as well as Africa, and it seems with such invasions, also comes the taxing of the citizens to accommodate them, and then the high crime wave because of them, and then the goofballs from all around who claim to be Human Rights groups, trying to protect them.  France, like Israel will soon have a Gaza on their hands, and America is finding out the hard way also, with the invasion of Mexicans in America, and Obama’s laid back attitude:  “Let it happen as long as I get my way.” Israel has started to throw out its illegal invaders, and America should do the same, and France is just waking up to it.  England better start before they have an Arab Parliament, making rules according to Islam. In such countries, free countries, as France, England and America, reciprocal laws (monkey see, monkey do laws) need to be the end product. What is good for your country dealing with immigration is good for ours. Meaning, just try to get into Iran and protest, or get a free meal, you’ll end up on the chain gang. The same thing goes for Africa. Go to Peru, if you don’t have an income, or can manage one with your savings, don’t ask for help, you won’t get it.

 

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