Wednesday, December 22, 2010
Overheard on Cultural attitudes toward rape


Zeinebou Mint Taleb Moussa has been fighting for women's rights in Mauritania for at least a decade. She set up the El Wafa center to help victims. Police contact the center when a woman reports a rape.


COMMENT OF THE DAY: "It's an odd thing. If the neighbor's dog bites you, you would probably get health care at least. There are laws that would impound the dog. Rape is truly a predator sport. They get away with things they shouldn't get away with. That's for sure." --An0nym0us2U


We got loads of comments about a story discussing how rape victims in Mauritania, a nation in northwestern Africa, fear going to jail for reporting the incidents. The story begins by profiling a 25-year-old woman, Mahjouba, who was advised not to go to court about a nighttime attack on her in March. Check out what readers had to say about this and other stories on


Rape victims fear being jailed in Mauritania


Discussion turned to rape around the world, including in the U.S., as well as laws in Islamic countries. People were outraged, and some strong sentiments on all sides appeared in the comments. A debate took place over whether blame goes to Islam or to Mauritania. JAnders noted: "There is nothing in Islam or 'Sharia law' that says rape is okay. Blame the Mauritanians for this, not Muslims or Islam as a whole." Yuveth responded, "Well, the women are not blameless either." Dorothea7 wrote, "I've never understood how any woman stands to be a Muslim to begin with."


Many readers suggested that women need to stand up for their rights. samuelben suggested, "Women need to band together and take control of their lives. If there are no reasonable laws against rape, then stop engaging in this male-dominated society. Don't marry. Don't breed. And a few thousand brave women protesting wouldn't hurt either. Stop making dinner, stop cleaning, and your entire society will come to a standstill and the men will see who is the victim and who has the power." Several commenters said this would be pointless because of societal custom or the potential for violence if protests are attempted. CSnord opined that "men make all the rules."


Official: North Korea targets South Korea in propaganda drive


Our commenters expressed mixed emotions after reading a story about North Korea sending an onslaught of faxes to South Korea. North Korea is blaming its neighbor for tensions over a disputed island, an official said Wednesday. According to the South Korean Unification Ministry, 15 companies had received a fax blaming South Korea for the attack. Many readers were amused by what they saw as a retro-style offensive maneuver, while others said this only underscores the dire conditions in North Korea. This story came out just as CNN's Wolf Blitzer, who went on a six-day trip there with Gov. Bill Richardson, wrote that North Korea is "the most dangerous spot on Earth right now" in a reporter's notebook.


donmontalvo may have summed it up best: Wow, a fax attack. This is so bizarre. Who uses fax machines anymore? ... Who goes to a gun fight with a knife? The sooner North Korea folds, the better off the entire world would be." DHighlander noted, "We attacked with (Christmas) carols, they replied with faxes," and then said, "The international community is appalled by the carnage in Korean peninsula and we voice our demands that bloody hostilities stop immediately." Megarock referred to the image on the story when writing, "I wonder how much these two soldiers get paid to stand there and stare at each other all day." The commenter went on to say that the North Koreans "are not bad people," but have difficult leadership. TheCompany replied in kind, noting restrictions on personal freedoms for residents. "Good point. The people are more concerned with daily life, getting enough food, clothing, a decent place to live."


Lawnmower shared tongue-in-cheek support for the technique. "Yeah baby, that's how the world should fight. No more wars but mutual fax attacks. He who runs out of paper first has lost the game." newdna was among those who found humor in the story. "Oh no! We're being attacked by the '80s!" CSnord responded, "Next it will be big hair and Cindi Lauper CDs." TexasTakesUs was "faxinated," while Cadecker wondered whether carrier pigeons were a logical next step. Singing telegraphs, town criers and other older forms of communication were also mentioned.


CIA responds to WikiLeaks: WTF


The CIA specializes in keeping secrets, but its WikiLeaks Task Force is creating a lot of buzz beyond its response to the document-sharing website. Many of our commenters responded to the "Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot" acronym with an alphabet soup of jokes. Most common was some variant of "ROTFL," which stands for "rolling on the floor, laughing," while others were rolling on the floor and laughing their rear ends off. Others were laughing, but not rolling on the floor. A few people were simply "LOL," or "laughing out loud."


Geri wrote, "You have to admit that there are a lot of folks in Washington who are having what the general called 'a Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot' moment over Wikileaks. I'm sort of having one myself. But one must admit that our fearless leaders must have become rather smug and complacent to allow this whole thing to occur in the first place. Assange isn't the only one who is out-of-line and out-of-control. The hallmark of the baby boomer generation is mediocrity, which is why they have lost control of every aspect of governing and why they ceased creating a future for the young. A definite sign of hubris and decline."


And David had a few theories about Assange's motivations and vulnerabilities. "The joke may be on Assange," he noted. "Maybe it's my imagination, but if I told the US government that I had a valuable secret that would get released to the world if any harm came to me, the first thing that would happen would be the people in the world who would want to see that information released (e.g., North Korea, Iran, Venezuela) would immediately put a hit on me. Other, smarter countries wouldn't kill me, but take enough shots at me to get me upset enough to release the information anyway, plus a lot more information that I had squirreled away." He also theorized that other groups would be motivated to participate in this process, and went on to ask, "So, I wonder: Did Assange just become the pawn in the very game he's trying to play, and will it cost him his life?" Glaisne responded to David: "Definitely more than a few candles short of a chandelier (if it's not intentional mis-information). Hence, the totally appropriate response: WTF!"


YOUR TURN: Now that you've read what other people are saying, do you find that your views align with theirs? Think of this as a wishing well in need of your 2 cents. Post a comment below or sound off on video.


Compiled by the moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

December 22, 2010
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Do a Google search for "UNTESTED RAPE KITS".

(Rape kits are often not tested after collection)

The US is almost as lousy at dealing with $ex

crimes as the third world.



December 22, 2010
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Only time women get offended by being raped when its done by a nerd,if it was a bad boy they would be bragging about it to their girlfriends.

December 22, 2010
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I have never in my life read comments by more IGNORANT PEOPLE then some of the above comments.  RAPE IS RAPE, whether it is done to a woman or a man.  NO MEANS NO, it doesnt matter what culture this happened in.  No one has the right period to RAPE another human being.  And lets not forget some of the above comments from the IGNORANT ones wanting to blame religion thats BS, why is it that some have to go there.  Its truly sad in some countries that some think its there god given right to culture to rape someone, well its not.  rape victims need to stand up and fight this.  And lets not forget there is the silent victims who fear retaliation for making statements of rape.  My sister is a journalist and you wouldnt believe how many schools just in the US have date rapes on there campuses and 9 times outta 10 the victims are made to feel its there fault exspecially if the attacker is and athlete.

December 22, 2010
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I thought this was going to be an  article about the Vatican.

December 22, 2010
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@ Keksi, that is an absurd comment to make. If a woman is raped, SHE IS RAPED, PERIOD. In response to anyone who says that women have it coming to them if they dress provocatively, or do something, or flirt with a man. In no way is the way I am dressed an invitation to RAPE ME, in no way is my flirtation an invitation to RAPE ME. A woman should be able to wear what she wants, in a dark alley at 3 am and be PERFECTLY SAFE (but oh yes, some people think they are entitled to do what they want). So to all the people who think rape is a myth, that women truly want it, and whatever other cockamamy excuse you can come up with, SCREW YOU. Women have the right to say no! We have the right to say I don't want this. We have the right to scream rape when we are being raped! The fact that a country is willing to lock it's women up for coming forward is absolutely ridiculous. What kind of country are you running?!?!?! Women need to ban together and fight things like this. Unfortunately in countries like these the women that do ban together and fight back are potentially murdered because of their actions...Very sad...

December 22, 2010
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@ Keksi -  Do you even know what rape is? Fighting someone off of you who is trying to force you to have sexual intercourse is a panicked struggle to not only keep from being physically abused and violated, but to also keep your dignity and pride. That kind of personal and physical violation should be outlawed EVERYWHERE, in EVERY COUNTRY, in EVERY CITY and in EVERY BELIEF SYSTEM.

December 22, 2010
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KEKSI might not feel that way if he got thrown into a county jail somewhere for a year for DUI

December 22, 2010
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There are millions of men who think that rape is forplay

December 22, 2010
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HOWEVER!! love the however...... we have a solution in sunny FLA. We issue carry permits to 1200 women per week. If ya love and adore women like I do, ya gotta love that. I have been privy to a CCW class of all women. To watch the empowerment is amazing!

December 22, 2010
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And this differs from the US how, exactly?

December 22, 2010
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Don't know if you are aware of this fact: For 1500 years a naked woman could rid the Appian way Between Rome and Athens with out fear.( There was a Roman soldier in a little shelter every eigth of a mile!)

December 23, 2010

She gets my vote 4 CNN HEROES right now.;)

Zeinebou Mint Taleb Moussa. Dont the name behind the story. I better practice. Zeein............

GOD bless Moussa;)

January 11, 2011
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It is far easier to obtain a gun illegally than to get one legally under Arizona's "lax" gun laws. As an Az native, I can confidently and correctly say that almost no one in this state carries a gun with them in public. What happen in Tucson was a tragedy, but don't blame the gun or the methods by which it was obtained, blame the person who fired into a crowd of civilians and children. Nobody shot back because I can almost guarantee that nobody took a gun to a grocery store! This isn't the wild west out here...

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