Monday, February 21, 2011
Overheard on CNN.com: Facebook revolution in Egypt?

 

COMMENT OF THE DAY: "You obviously don't remember learning about such revolts as the 'Memo Revolution' and the 'Pointy Stick Revolution' in history class." -- goodadvice

 

The faces of Egypt's 'Revolution 2.0'

 

Who or what gets credit for revolution in Egypt? Many enjoyed CNN's story but argued over whether technology played a major role. Said gl38, "It's disgusting how the media call this a Facebook revolution. Why not a Phone revolution? Why not a simply Being Disgusted with Life and Wanting a Better Deal revolution?" Others said the internet was simply the newest way to communicate. "The internet is the new newspaper. Revolution used to be printed in newspapers and by Benjamin Franklin, now it is the internet," Darthlawsuit wrote.

 

Most agreed, however, that unlike established forms of spreading information, the new technologies have allowed protesters to work around government censorship. "The internet IS the linchpin," wrote David70. "These governments have devoted huge resources to control media, censorship, jailing of reporters, full ownership of papers and radio and TV. The difference between today and ten years ago is they cannot fully control info the net -- specially on mobile phones."

 

Final thoughts about impending democracy in Egypt were mixed with hope and cynicism. Many, like PrayforMojo, congratulated the Egyptians from the heart. "Godbless the people of Egypt. Their revolution was one of the most compelling events I have witnessed. The bravery of the youth who started this should not be downplayed. They risked their lives for a chance at a better one for themselves and the poor in their country. I only hope my countrymen would show the same bravery if faced with such horrible oppression. Yalla said, "Egypt you've won your freedom. I pray it lasts for generations."

 

Others, apparently writing from functioning democracies, had their doubts. "Hate to be the bearer of bad news," dontfollow said, "but democracy isn't what it's cut out to be. Capitalist corporations and for hire politicians have ruined the dream. Good luck to Egypt though." doubtingdave agreed: "I hope that within a few months the same people aren't sitting around saying...'Oh my, what do we do now'?? 'let's elect so-and-so because he knows how to kiss a baby'....."

 

Why Toddlers throw Temper Tantrums

 

Runner-up comment of the day: Weep4America "Parents do NOT have the right to allow their children to make everyone else around them miserable. Parents have an OBLIGATION to make their children behave properly in public."

 

That's right, blame it on the wiring. Just about everyone agreed with the study that toddlers are prone to tantrums, but many thought that this mom's subjecting her toddler to such a long day was guaranteed to bring one about. "Thanks, lady, for subjecting everyone at the museum to your kids," wrote Thepook. "'Best. Mother. Ever?' No. A best mom ever would know that 3-year old twins can't tolerate that kind of activity. Maybe tantrums are expected of kids, but it's YOUR job to make sure to follow societal etiquette, which is don't force kids into participating in activities that are beyond their age level."

 

"Plenty of sleep, good food, lots of exercise, and stable routines will reduce the number of tantrum," ihmsaair agreed.

 

"Mom made several BIG mistakes that guaranteed a tantrum: steep subway stairs and four train transfers were too fatiguing for toddlers and they are too young to appreciate a large natural history museum," wrote potto527. And asking a 3-year-old to make a choice is also problematic. "They don't know about cost. All they understood was a bait-and-switch trick by mom (you can have any toy you want as long as it is the one I want to give you)," potto527 added.

 

But TeckieK disagreed: "A dinosaur exhibit is beyond a 3 year old's age level? I don't think so. Curiosity starts early, and if cultivated turns into a desire to learn."

 

Many thought the subject was ridiculous. "Are you kidding me!" omex1 said. "Who the hell spends ten years studying toddler temper tantrums? Tax payer grant money driving up the cost of higher education again! Study why supposedly "educated people conduct stupid studies."

 

"Stories like this make me incredibly glad that I have chosen to never have children. I commend those who desire to take on such responsibility," crosstf said.

 

Some suggested time-honored remedies. "Lets bring back the old-fashion woodshed," wrote Hoooch. "I was raised by the woodshed and I survived. Only once did I experience the woodshed and I never misbehaved again. I am now a 20 yr military retiree, with a grad and undergrad degree in computer science." Others argued that this was better left in the past: "Ah yes, how I yearn for those 'old fashioned' ways. Who needs running water, electricity, and modern medicine," Y0ssarian wrote.

 

Why America's Teachers are Enraged

 

Runner-up comment of the day: BD70: "A witch hunt against the teachers: so sad. Go after the ones who dictate how the teachers teach. Then go after the parents who refuse to co-operate with the schools. Seems the teachers are caught between a rock and a hard place: darned if they do and darned if they don't."

 

The Wisconsin protests uncovered a seething argument about American education: How good is it? How much is it worth? Who pays? Are the protests a matter of union busting or simply honoring past contracts? Many wrote to explain why teachers deserve respect, citing hard work and good results amidst poor working conditions and impossible expectations.

 

"You do know that Wisconsin students placed second nationwide on ACT/SAT tests last year? I'd say that these teachers are doing better than most of the nation," clsjey wrote. "Let them do their job in a drug-addled warzone," barciesjj668 said, "which is what most public schools are these days. Let them do it where the teachers have no rights and 'les petites crimineaux' and their sue-happy parents are in control. Let them teach in buildings falling apart."

 

"Public education is the single biggest expenditure for every state. As it dang well should be!!!!!!" 10PorkChops wrote.

 

Said gradstuden10, "Everyone wants the best education for their children but no one wants to pay a dime to the people who make it happen. You wouldn't let an overworked and underpaid doctor operate on you because you might die. You wouldn't want a tired and underpaid mechanic to fix your car because he could make a costly mistake. Yet everyone is willing to let their children, whom they want the best for, spend their formative years in the hands of people who are overworked and underpaid."

 

Some thought the market should decide, simmering over what they saw as an easy living. Others struggled with how teachers' earnings should compare to others'. "Teachers are lazy and want the taxpayer to pay for their outlandish benefits. Fire them," wrote thearmy19d. "The median national salary for plumbers is almost 50K - and that's ALL plumbers. Prices do go up you know." IxNay said, "Our society doesn't value kids, that is pretty obvious to me. To read people here say things like teachers are glorified hairdressers pretty well sums up the problem." jrm03063 wrote, "The best corrective is to go to a "free market" model." Daoudm said, "Give all parents vouchers. The best teachers wouldn't have any lack of pay, the worst would have to find other employment."

 

But perhaps this can be taken too far, as GeneralTarfu concludes, "Support outsourcing teaching! We can get better results from Chinese teachers!"

 

Do you feel your views align with these c.ommenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

 

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

4 Comments
February 21, 2011
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Teachers overpaid?  I have a master's degree and have been teaching 15 years.  I make less than  most of the twenty somethings with a B.S. in business entering the workforce this year.  I spend over 15% of my yearly paycheck on clothing, shoes, supplies, even food for my students whose parents cannot provide for them because I know that before they can learn their basic needs must be met. 

Summers and weekends off?  I am required to take college coursework to be re-certified as a teacher and must take on a summer job to pay for that coursework. I spend my Sunday afternoons in the classroom preparing for the upcoming week-after staying most weekday evenings until at least 6 p.m. 

I chose to be a teacher.  I love being a part of my students' lives.  I know I am making a positive difference.  I only wish our government REALLY understood the life of a teacher. 

February 21, 2011
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Wha?

If the students do poorly "Go after the ones who dictate how the teachers teach. Then go after the parents who refuse to co-operate with the schools".

 

When students score well "... Wisconsin students placed second nationwide on ACT/SAT tests last year? I'd say that these teachers are doing better than most of the nation,"

 

I'll have to use that logic with my private industry employer.

February 21, 2011
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As in any profession there are those who care and those who do not care. There are those who put their hearts into their work and those who just do their work.

 

That being said I feel that if teachers were allowed to teach academics and not have to babysit, morally educate, and bow to constant administrative constraints upon their time then they could do what they want to do which is teach.

 

In addition, because there are parental elements who fail in their responsibility to their children, and ultimately to society, and who do not assist with the child's education on the home front nor promote good behavior habits then governmental authorities feel they need to become involved with instilling these lacking behaviors into the child's life. This is not acceptable.

 

Therefor, parents who fail their children in this manner must be subject to education (mandatory parenting classes) and if they continue to fail then those children need to be removed from the mainstream academic environment and placed in a specialized environment in order that they may have their needs met so they can become educated and so as not to disrupt those other students whose parents are involved.

 

Harsh...yes. A workable resolve to educate our society...absolutely!

February 22, 2011
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I agree with UpL8. Not even the best teachers can compensate for lackluster parenting. Kids are sent to school because few parents can teach their kids all they need to know in life, or afford private tutors to instruct their children. But when students lack appropriate parenting, what recourse do teachers have?

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