Wednesday, March 09, 2011
Overheard on CNN.com: Oh, yeah. I was born this way

 

Comment of the day: "Thankfully this wasn't a whole article about Lady Gaga's new song which is a horrible attempt to pander to the gay community." --Fallhammer

 

Website for born this way

Los Angeles-based DJ Paul V. has created a website that showcases childhood photos and stories submitted by adult gay men and women. He believes that the pictures demonstrate that being gay is innate, and he hopes the website will strengthen gay kids sense of self-worth.

 

The article did encourage CNN.com readers to share their opinions.

 

Hypothesis1 said, “If being gay is a choice then I would urge any straight person to try and make that choice. Go ahead, give it a shot. Would you do it? Can you do it? Why would anyone do it unless that is who they are. Why would a person put themselves through all the hate? Why?” graygurl said, “I agree that children need our unconditional love, understanding and support!” XYZReveals said, “I think this story should not be national news yet. There is still too many bigots out there and this will add to the confusion of their simple minds.”

 

Rudegar said, “So because you see a photo of yourself acting what society might call feminine or just doing something funny and innocent it means you are gay?” Jlsppw said, “Nobody is born gay, it's a CHOICE just like any other choice.” Davie03 said, “It would seem that most of these innocent photos are being used by their owners to probably validate and reinforce their own belief that this is something natural. It is really ridiculous to think that all boys who have worn a dress or girls playing a pirate are going to be gay.”

 

mondaymonday said, “I have pictures of myself as a little girl, playing with plastic dinosaurs, toy cars, playing in the mud. While I like to look back at them, laugh and say, ‘Oh yeah! You could tell!’ I'm very much aware that, that one picture did not determine who I am today. I never even looked at them till years after I already just KNEW. And then it became more of a laugh than anything.”


No great choices for U.S. in Libya


As Libya heads toward a “protracted civil war,” James Lindsay, a senior vice president of the Council on Foreign Relations, author and former director for global issues and multilateral affairs at the National Security Council, identified seven unappealing options for U.S. involvement. Most CNN.com readers say he missed the most obvious choice.

 

heresANoption said, “We don’t get involved. Great option there.” Mike said, “Why do we have to do anything? This once again is not our problem. Why do we have stick our nose into other countries business? We must have more money than common sense.” matthew mcjilton said, “One day we must realize to mind our own business.” Cvoracek said, “We do not have the resources( in either money or personnel) to be the world's policeman. Yes, it is tragic to watch, but I think it's time we heeded Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time.” IsaG said, “As difficult as it may be, we should not intervene. There is a great opportunity in the region for the people to reshape their destinies.”

 

But Patty Brown said, “Why do we wait when there are so many innocent civilians at stake? I thought we were different. At the very least, we could stop his ability to harm his own citizens. I thought we encouraged democracy and discouraged tyrants! I guess only if the polls tell us that's the thing to do. Cmon President Obama! Worry more about the innocents than what the press will say.” And Jeff S said, “Time to give them payback for the Gipper.”

 

A Vet asked, “Why not just take out Ghadafi? We have laser guided bombs, drop one on his head. Simple. Clean. And we could have done the same to Saddam.” Jared said, “Option #1 should be assassinate Gadhafi with our highly trained special forces, RIGHT?”

 

Former RHWODC kicked off Celebrity Rehab

 

Real Housewives of D.C. reality star and White House party-crasher Michaele Salahi was asked to leave the television show "Celebrity Rehab" because she does not have an addiction, but many CNN.com readers disagreed.

 

McHater said, “She addicted to doing stupid things!” Bubbleicious said, “She does have an addiction. It's called ‘Self Absorbed.’ “ buke56 said, “She’s an attention hound, hooked on celebrity just like Sarah Pay-off, but unlike Palin she actually got in the White House!”  Hildablue said, “Of course she has an addiction - two, actually. The first one is herself, and the second one is undeserved notoriety. But thank goodness VH1 is at least denying her one of her two drugs of choice.” GaBoy02 said, “Is bulmia or anorexia an addiction? I would believe she was addicted to that.” Billdoc said, “This woman does indeed have an addiction. Both she and her husband are addicted to getting attention! Their lives are crappy without them trying to grab every attention grabbing moment that they can.”

 

 

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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

97 Comments
March 9, 2011
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go to hell

March 9, 2011
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this is beside the point, but that kid in the background is totally wearing a bernie kosar shirt. i'd bet money on it.

March 9, 2011
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To all people who are saying that kids aren't born gay... or are hating on gay people.... listen to what im about to say. Gay people are like normal people..... they go to WORK and work.... they PAY TAXES.... they do normal things that straight people do. Just cause someone is gay doesn't mean they are stupid. I see so many mean comments and im thinking wow... im 16 and my mother taught me more respect then alot of people show. I think that most gays are born gay. Some choose it yes.. but majority of them are born that way.I have a relative that is gay... and i dont treat them any different... it affects my life in no way.

March 9, 2011
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If I am born with a liking for drugs and I get drs to write prescriptions for them, is that okay?

 

If I am born with a bad temper, is it okay for me to scream a lot in my own house and to look annoyed when others bother me?

 

My point:  whether or not a person is "born" a certain way (and, btw, many studies are not supporting gays' being "born" that way), it does not follow that acting on an urge is therefore okay.

March 9, 2011
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yeah but ... its not like you have to marry or date a gay person do you??? all im saying is dont be so quick to judge people. Everyone has urges...why is okay for a guy to have thoughts about a girl or vice versa but a sin for a guy to be gay and have those thoughts.

March 9, 2011
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@Michelle Being born that way is an argument against those who think it is "unnatural." All of your arguments rely on some moral ground, but there is no moral ground against homosexuality.

March 9, 2011
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"Gay people are like normal people..... they go to WORK and work.... they PAY TAXES.... they do normal things that straight people do. Just cause someone is gay doesn't mean they are stupid."

 

This issue isn't whether homosexuals pay taxes, go to work, or are "born that way".  If it is then all murder, rape and pedophilia is vindicated.

 

But regardless, it has no bearing on whether homosexuality is right or not.

March 9, 2011
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arrow: "Being born that way is an argument against those who think it is "unnatural." All of your arguments rely on some moral ground, but there is no moral ground against homosexuality."

 

Equivocation at its finest, eh?

 

When opponents of homosexuality invoke "unnaturalness" they don't mean homosexuality isn't found in nature, isn't inborn or isn't uncontrollable, they mean it in its moral sense.  That is, that homosexual s- ex is unnatural insofar as it doesn't fulfill the "purpose" of s- ex and procreation.

 

You don't have to be dishonest to get your point across.

March 9, 2011
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Male homosexuals bear a large amount of responsibility for spreading HIV/AIDS in the last 30 years.  How can you honor that fact?

March 9, 2011
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Well, all you phobic straight people,  were you born straight?   Unless you are gay you CAN"T answer this question.  But keep on breeding because even though you accuse of us of "recruiting"  others and making them gay, YOU are the providers of all our "so called"victims.  The wonderful Creator of us loves us just the way we are and must be very sad at how you treat others.  Surely something Jesus Wouldn't Do.

March 9, 2011
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i agree with rinsac... why is it we dont question if we were born straight??? i meant to originally post my comment on the article where i saw all that hate going on.

March 9, 2011
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@arrow: there is a moral argument against homosexuality; when God declares some action immoral, it is immoral. The God of all creation has revealed himself in the scriptures, and has told us therein that homosexuality is immoral.

March 9, 2011
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@rinsac: the creator loves his son Jesus just the way he is. The rest of us are under his wrath, unless we are in his son Jesus by faith.

March 9, 2011
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i agree with you rin

March 9, 2011
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@cacl: true. And heterosexuals have spread much other STDs. Sin has its consequences for us all, the worst of which is separation from God.

March 9, 2011
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acutally that is not fully true.

March 9, 2011
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If they are really "born that way," as they claim (and there are studies both for and against that idea), then resources should be spent on finding a cure for these poor genetically defective people. Rather than forcing them to continue to live abnormally from the majority of the human race.

March 9, 2011
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Humans wrote the scriptures in the name of God (or inspired by God).  The Bible has been interpreted, as other holy books in many unholy ways.  So it is up to us to decide what would really matter for an ever loving God.  So all those being self-righteous, like the gospel says: "Let The One Without Sin Cast The First Stone".

March 9, 2011
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@cnnleans: they are no more defective than you or me. They are sinners by birth and by action. The only cure for this is to be born from above...the new birth that Jesus told Nicodemus about in John 3.

March 9, 2011
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Born right.  We are all born with some sort of proclivity towards debasement.  why is this one being celebrated.  And why are kids being abused???????????????

March 9, 2011
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We all have almost no control over any circumstance we find ourselves in, and complete control over who we are going to be in the face of whatever the circumstance is.  I celebrate the way God made me.  You guys can hate all you want, but that seems like a pretty sorry way to spend a lifetime.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf, I was going by their definition of "being born that way." If that were so, they are genetically defective and need to be cured. However, I personally think it is a lifestyle choice and they are all just sick in the head, and need to be isolated from the rest of normal society.

March 9, 2011
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I absolutely believe that gay people are born gay- even though they may have issues with identifying/denying. I also believe that it is not natural - the nature of any living world inculding mammals is to reproduce and they can't do that - that is the bottom line. In my opinion it would be great if they adopted more unwanted kids that this world has plenty.

March 9, 2011
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Are we still living in dark ages?

March 9, 2011
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Were you ignorant hatemongers born with a gay twin? Thought not. I can guess you all were born stupid but @ what age did you 'decide' to be hetero and why is it that the most hysterical straight guys so flatter themselves...never had a gay family member or friend who wants to touch any of you with a 10' pole. Addendum, odd so many 'straight' men think about gay mens' sex life much more than they do; closet fever?

March 9, 2011
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@steno: God made man upright, but Adam's fall plunged us all under sin. And we all confirm ourselves in it by sinning ourselves against God. It is not hate to tell others of our sinful condition before God and of his mercy in Jesus, just as it is not hate when your doctor informs you that you have cancer and provides a treatment for it.

March 9, 2011
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  If you think being gay is "wrong"...I suggest you dont be. Funny how adamant some people are against this issue..why do you care if it isnt affecting your life? Sounds like "thou dost protest too much"...afraid you may have some "gay" in you???

March 9, 2011
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Whatever way you were born you are a sinner and you must be born again! Point blank. No one is righteous and holy by God's standards on their own from the womb. Everyone must be made a new creature in Christ if they want to please Him.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf: It is hate and bigotry. It is not your job to tell anybody what god wants of them. First of all, only the dumbest people on earth still believe in god or gods, and second likening being gay to a deadly disease speaks volumes towards your hatred and how you really feel about it. And priests and pastors don't cure anything. they just have sex with children causing more problems and take hard earned money form their ignorant followers while not really doing anything productive themselves.

March 9, 2011
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Those who protest homosexuality live in their own reality where being gay is a sin or against human nature.  That's what they believe; so what?  Those people are "born that way," too, and they will never change.  Narrow minds only get narrower, never wider. 

March 9, 2011
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there is no god, so any argument involving that is a m oot point. Grow up.

March 9, 2011
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@goby: are you purposely using irony? I don't harbor or feel any hatred towards gays. And nothing I've said could be reasonably construed as hateful. On the other hand, your post conveys a hatred towards people with whom you disagree theologically.

March 9, 2011
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@goby77--Not that I'm saying there is a "god" per-say, but there are stranger things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.  Too, if gays are "born that way" then a cure needs to be found so they can live normal lives. By definition, they are such a small minority of the population of the human race, they are "abnormal." Resources need to be used to find a cure, rather than allowing gays to try to push their defective condition on the rest of us as "normal."

March 9, 2011
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@goby: sin is a disease in the sense that it results in death, both physical and spiritual. However, my analogy using a doctor's diagnosis of cancer was focusing more on the mercy, not hatred, of someone who informs you of a deadly disease.

March 9, 2011
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@ most of you; Kansas should look appealing to you about now, I recommend you move there & join 'Fredland'.

March 9, 2011
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Is he is creating a false truth with children to support rights for the gay-adult community? I've seen children act in many characteristics socially accepted as either male or female; it's a normal process of finding out who they really are. Please don't decept (or incept) a false idea into the mind of a child just to support your own agenda. Yes, the article says that children should see that they have a choice. But to imply all child-awkwardness is gay can create false assumptions. Subliminal encouragement? Maybe it's nature's way of controling over-population in large cities...

March 9, 2011
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A massive propaganda is on the way to convince everybody that homosexuality is normal. The next step will be to prosecute everybody, who thinks it is sin - watch it.

March 9, 2011
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Homosexuality harms society.

 

Homosexuals take no responsibility for the harm to society from the homosexual lifestyle.

 

March 9, 2011
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Claiming people are born that way is just the parents way of saying there was nothing the parents could have done and that the kids should not be responsible for being gay.  However, the parents clearly should have tried harder and should not believe the kids did not make a choice.  Kids are born with a hair color.  They are not born with a sexual choice. 

March 9, 2011
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Homosexuals spread HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases at a transmission rate of 40 to 80 times that of non-homosexuals.

 

20% of homosexuals have HIV.

March 9, 2011
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God does not say he hates gays in the bible, but he specifically says a man or woman should not lay with someone of the same sex as him. Not saying i believe in religion or not, just stating what the Bible says. Now as for people who have no faith and skew others who don't support "homosexuality", why would you take the time out to try to convince anyone when most people don't Want to be convnced. I am not a supporter of sodomoy, homosexuality, or anything that I, as in ME, MYSELF, believe is against or contradicts natures course...who am i to believe this? Myself and im not here to persuade, just enlighten those who have a cause to somewhat...keep their "fight" strong but with a softer approach. 

March 9, 2011
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From the time of entering HIV medical care using antiretroviral drugs the life expectancy is 24 years with an average per person lifetime medical cost of

$500,000.

 

Antiretroviral drugs are expensive($1400 per month), have serious side effects and missing doses creates multi-drug resistant HIV strains with poor prognosis that can be passed on to others.

March 9, 2011
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HIV/AIDS- punishment for homosexuals? A pity innocents are being taken as well. That is, if being gay is a choice and they are not "born that way."

March 9, 2011
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@ pProf Sin belongs no where in this conversation. period. Your religious beliefs have no more bearing on anyone else than your shoe size. Even if you claim to be a "Christian" than what words of Jesus are you following? My Jesus said love one another as I have loved you (John 15:17) which is one of his commandments that he said explicitly. Do unto others as you would have done to you (Matthew 7:12). And MOST IMPORTANTLY, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone (read ALL of John 8 for the full effect. Jesus wanted us to love each other. At the end of the day, it is God who has the right to judge, if you do believe in what you claim to believe in. And you sir, are only spreading judging and hating your fellow man. So, who is doing the sinning around here?

 

But I digress,I don't think that the pictures necessarily prove a point, kids do silly things. Until we find the genome that codes for your sexuality, we are at a loss.

March 9, 2011
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@sterva: I think it is normal, in the sense that sin is normal. We are born in sin; David says we come forth from the womb speaking lies; Paul says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But it is not normal in the sense that it is not natural. It is not using our sexuality in the way that God intended and directed us to use it.

March 9, 2011
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Actually, I think many people are born gay, and many people choose to be gay.  I think the ones that are born gay is no more unusual than a person being born with say.. down syndrome or some other thing that is abnormal, but doesn't make them less of a human being.   If you can't believe a person can be born gay, then you can't believe a person can be born straight.. I do agree its not the way nature intended it.. but then again, nature didn't intend for you to get as fat as you have, but I don't say you can't be with fat people. (Thats to the fat ones :P)

March 9, 2011
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Encouragement of homosexuality must stop. Every time another child is encouraged to become a homosexual another life is exposed to a high prevalence of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

March 9, 2011
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I'm straight.  I didn't "choose" to be straight.  Women turn me on, its how I was born wired to be.  It was not a choice of mine.  Anyone who says it was a choice, might be a little.... well... gay. 

March 9, 2011
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Ok, so I'm a lesbian in a mans body. I don't really see a problem with that.

March 9, 2011
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@MichelleinCA  - I assume that you are against people with mental retardation acting "retarded" I mean, they could choose to act different right?  Everyone has a choice in everything that they ever do.  You can choose to go against everything you believe in or feel that you are.. All you have to do is look at religious zealots to see examples of that every day.  Now, religion.. thats something you are NOT born with.

March 9, 2011
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No matter what Camp you reside in if it is either Pro gay or opposite this goes a lot farther than the norm. You have this individual lurking around and profiting off of looking at Children in a sexual manner choosing by his own standards what sexual orientation he believes they are. He is seeking out those that by his standards are his sexual orientation. This is Disturbing behavior no matter if you are straight or Gay. The fact that so many are applauding this individual’s action is even more disturbing. No matter if you’re Gay or straight, alarms should be sounding in your head. It is also very asinine and arrogant for someone to go around and declare that they are able to go around and be the definitive of who is of what orientation.  Imagine growing up and later finding out through others that someone decided you were of some orientation and published this in a widely circulated publication but you are not of such orientation. The social an personal ramifications of such a label can cause a lot of damage on a person.   These children are being used as pawns by this man for whatever agenda he has.  He does not care about the truth or what this will do to these children it is all a way to make a point or to mask perverted activities. Exploiting these children is disgusting and this man is libel for any damages suffered by these children.  No matter if your Gay or Straight try to be objective in this matter, put your own agenda and politics aside and think about these children who are just children and should not be used and exploited.

March 9, 2011
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@forallpeople - Every time a human being has sex they are exposed to a high prevalence of HIV and other STD's.. welcome to the real world. 

March 9, 2011
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@GeorgeMason9 - It may be true that they are submitting pictures of their own "gay" acting children.. but it clearly states that they are gay ADULTS posting pictures of them as a child.  If so, at which point it is verified they are gay, not "insinuated". Quit trying to make it sound like he is some sexual predator.. you'll only come across looking like a food who wrote a really long reply.

March 9, 2011
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Okay ...There is a HUGE...BIG difference between homosexuality and this crap-->"If it is then all murder, rape and pedophilia is vindicated." and that is that Homosexuality DOES NOT harm/kill anyone! 

 

Comparing born homosexuality to drug addiction??!! Really? Drugs of the illegal or abused kind are BAD, a homosexual life is NOT...its fabulous!

March 9, 2011
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like a "fool" :P

March 9, 2011
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@tipo: it is interesting that you and others accuse me of hating and spreading hate. I can tell you honestly that I have no feelings of hate towards gays. I have gay friends and family members. I love gays as I am commanded to love all. But love does not equal condoning or approving all behavior. I love my children, but I warn them of danger. In fact I warn them precisely because I do love them. The God of this world has given us his word and it likewise warns us of dangers. All sin is dangerous, including homosexuality. Jesus told his followers to love one another as he loves us. If I have a Christian brother living in sin, this love actually compels me to talk with the brother about the sin. And this is exactly what I would want my brothers to do for me. Jesus in John 8 was dealing with an adulterous woman. He did not condone her sin, in fact he told her to go and sin no more. And as far as casting stones at sinners, whether homosexual sinners or heterosexual sinners, I would never do it, for I too am a sinner. But I would not shy from declaring as sin whatever God has instructed us is sin. Such as homosexual acts.

March 9, 2011
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But, God loves everyone. And... He created us all how he wanted us to be. Duh... You ignorant bastards!

March 9, 2011
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@forallpeople Really? Encouraged? One, get your facts straight. HIV is prevalent in homosexual males, but it is also prevalent in sexually uneducated youth and minorities.

 

If we aren't born to do what we do, than why does it occur in nature? Also, most importantly, how does one's religious belief account for Reef fish changing sex to fit a need. Animals that exhibit homosexual behaviour: Monkeys, great apes, marine birds, overall 1,500 species. Are you going to say that all these animals were "encouraged" to be gay, or were they truly born that way?

March 9, 2011
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ReCLaIM apparently you have no idea how the creator of this website started it and the history of this website. Go do some research and get educated. There is more to the story than what you read on CNN.

 

March 9, 2011
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@pProf, and since every man sins, its no different for a man to sin being a homosexual than to sin being a person who has lied.. or been born.. since we are all born sinners.. correct?  So why exactly would you talk bad about someone sinning, when you are a sinner yourself.  How about you focus on keeping your sins down.. like judging others when its God's place to judge others, not yours.  Quit sinning if you want to accuse others of sinning which in itself is sinful.. and a beautiful catch 22 for religious folk logic :)

March 9, 2011
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@iphoniac: what makes you think God loves everyone?

March 9, 2011
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@GeorgeMason, how did he start it. How about enlightening everyone instead of just stating something.  You have all this wealth of knowledge.. please, this is the place to share it.  I'd love to hear it :)

 

People always say "Go do more research" instead of saying what they know.. because in reality, they know just as much as anyone else.. So, prove me wrong.. tell me what you know and how you know it to be fact.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf, the Christian God doesn't love everyone.. the real one though.. does :)

March 9, 2011
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Love it! God bless all their little hearts. George, do you realize that these are childhood photos of   homosexual adults, and that they themselves provided them to the blog? If random children were being judged to be gay or straight, I would have to agree with you. But that is not what this is.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf, Because he wouldn't have done what he did for us. I've never heard of God "hating" or not loving somebody. He is everyone's god because he accepts everyone.

March 9, 2011
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@4mommy, no he's going to tell us how he's right and we're wrong.. I'm waiting for it.  I'm sure he's going to provide documentation from legit sources as to how this all started and how its not a very good organization and how its real purpose is to just destroy society by creating gay kids.. I'm sure then he's going to say because they are looking at kids that they are pedophiles.. and somehow that if straight people look at pictures of kids that somehow thats better.

 

I'm waiting for this elegant response.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf: I don't see how one says they love their brother, but teaches their children this nonsense. Just because you aren't directly persecuting homosexuals, doesn't mean you are not harming them. If anything, you are creating a new generation of distrust and pity of your fellow man. Have you not seen what this does to the youth of this nation? Have you not seen the children killing themselves because they are told that they aren't natural, that they don't fit in? What is the ultimate sin? Suicide, because you can't ask for forgiveness. How are you helping your brother if their only choice is lying or death?

March 9, 2011
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The good news.. the bigots of the world are getting old and dying. We can all breath a sigh of relief and say a great quote from the bible even.. "This too shall pass"

March 9, 2011
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@reclaim: there are degrees of sin. Your have adopted what is a common misunderstanding of the scriptural teaching on judging. The inconsistency of your position is evident. For if it is wrong to judge, then it would be wrong to enforce laws, but the apostle Paul speaks clearly of the goodness in upholding laws. Do you speak out against murder? I hope so. Then your are judging. Do you think someone is wrong to cheat on his wife? Then you are judging. The scriptural injunction against judging has to do with two areas: judging in the sense of setting myself above you as if you are a sinner and I am not; and, judging others in areas that are matters of Christian liberty. But whatever God has shown us to be sinful, such as adultery, murder, homosexuality, these things we are to treat as sinful, and not condone. Again, there are differences. Murder must be dealt with in a penal fashion because it harms others against their will. Adultery between consenting adults, while sinful, is not a matter for penalty by human judges since it is the action of willing partners.

March 9, 2011
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@iphoniac: What makes you think God accepts everyone? He is well-pleased with his son Jesus who perfectly loved and obeyed him. But the rest of us are under his wrath, with the exception of all of us who are in his son. See John chapter 3 where Jesus explains this to Nicodemus. God loves all those who are in Jesus, but the rest abide in his wrath.

March 9, 2011
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Oh yeah, cause its so complicated there is no way it was made by God, God is simple.. if he created everything that is here, he did it in the simplest way possible.  Beautifully Elegant and simple.. unlike the Bible which is man-made and intentionally complex. 

 

I personally speak out against anything I want.. thats the beauty of not believing that the bible is the word of God.  You are the one that pigeon-holed yourself in that corner, not I.

 

The issue here is God showed you nothing.  Right or wrong, man showed you everything you've seen.  If you believe that the Bible is the final word of God that is.. which I assume you do.

March 9, 2011
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@reclaim: are you not also aging?

March 9, 2011
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I have known women, who are so frustrated with heterosexual relations that have decided to have relations with other women - in lieu of men, just to have some sense of a loving relationship.  So, in those cases, yes, a choice was made. 

March 9, 2011
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I am aging, and noticing that the younger generations are much more tolerant of people that are "different" and very excited to see that as a species and a society we are "evolving" beyond bigotry.

March 9, 2011
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@reclaim: I hope only the best for the new generation. I am concerned that there seems to be confusion between the ideas of condoning and tolerating. I am very tolerant. But I recognize that it is not expedient to condone everything that I tolerate. The newer generation seems to think the concepts are identical.

March 9, 2011
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@pProfYou are tolerant?  You mean you are fair, objective, and permissive in attitude torward those whose beliefs or personal characteristics differ from your own?

 

You don't sound very permissive to me.

 

Not to mention, you are not in any place to be the one to give "permission".  Tolerance is for those in power, and lets be frank here.  You have no power.

March 9, 2011
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@pProf - I actually am going to apologize for that last statement.. you are not as "intolerant" as most and that was probably a more harsh judgement than is deserved.

March 9, 2011
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I was born Charlie Sheen but my body rejected me

March 9, 2011
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I guess GeorgeMason9 really didn't do any research.. thats what I figured.

March 9, 2011
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@reclaim: thanks for the apology--accepted. I understand your main concern for tolerance resting on those in power. Unfortunately, humans love to control humans. I am strongly libertarian, believing firmly in liberty. You'd probably be surprised that I would fight for the right of homosexuals to engage in whatever acts they choose. The govt has no business in anyone's bedroom. Nor have they any business telling us what we can or can't put in our bodies. I don't condone drug use, and I don't condone homosexuality but I would fight with my life your right to do as you please with your body.

March 9, 2011
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Can someone help my understanding?

Years ago, when I learned the word homosexual, it was understood to be someone who has intercourse (or intimacy / carnal knowledge) with a member of their own sex.  Just as heterosexual was someone who has intercourse with a member of the opposite sex.  After a long pursuit of 'heterosexual encounters' through my 20's, as I aged I started to realize that engaging in these activities was not the best thing for my soul, outside of a very narrow set of parameters (marital union and receptivity to procreation).  Now this is my personal discovery, others have the free will to navigate their own path.

But what I have realized, is that self-sacrificial love (I think the Greeks called it agape) is always a good between any set of human beings no matter what their sex.

 

Now, I can't understand what should be simple.  What does it mean to be gay?  Does it mean being a homosexual, as in my earlier definition?  Or does it mean sharing a loving relationship with a same-sex member?  Or does it mean both?  Can you be gay if you haven't experienced intimacy... can you be 'straight' under the same set of circumstances?

When I was 5 years old, I insisted that I carry a purse around, did plenty of piroettes, too, like my big sis in ballet - did that pidgeonhole me?

This much I know - let's love each other as we love ourselves. Let us sacrifice for each other, and love, and serve.  But be very careful with intimacy/intercourse, it's abuse has a way of turning us into ourselves and into our selfish desires and away from real love.

 

March 9, 2011
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The gay police are all over this article.  Do you guys get paid to lay your propaganda and call anyone that disagrees with gayness bigots?  Just curious officer gayness.

March 9, 2011
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Gays are most definitely born the way they are, there is a ton of evidence supporting this. Sure, there a few that choose to go that route for other reasons, but for the most part it's genetic. Why do you think gay men act feminine, or butchy lesbians act like men...can't be helped. No one wants to go through life being teased or beat up, or outcast just because they're gay...I hardly think it's an act. I've seen several gay celebrities try to change who they are so they'll conform to what everyone elses vision of nomal is. It must be hell to try to date women if you're a gay male, or to date men if you're a lesbian. That's  like asking a straight man to day someone who's gay.

March 9, 2011
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I think this website is a great idea!! (even though lots of LGBT people you cannot tell from childhood pics- they look just like STRAIGHT KIDS OMG!) My boyfriend who is 37 was happily straight his entire life. On the other hand I was born "gay out of the gate" and my first crush was on a boy classmate when in 1st grade. i didn't know it was "unacceptable" or "different" until i got older, only beacause other kids teased me into acting "straighter."

March 9, 2011
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I'm a gay male, yet I disagree with most people here. I believe I'm gay due to (without going into details), some very unfortunate "events" that took place when I was younger. I've pondered this all my life and havent figured it out yet. I truly don't believe I was born gay, but at the same time, I sure as hell didn't choose it either. I'm also a firm Christian believer. What a mess, huh?

 

Well, I do agree with a few people here. I'm not harming anyone, don't judge me.

 

And don't worry, we will all have our day in front of the good lord. Gay people, straight people, believers, non-believers, and all the people that think they're somehow better than than the rest of us. Let God sort it all out. While we're here, can't we just all try to live in peace? Doesn't anyone remember the golden rule?

March 9, 2011
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What's with all the mindless talk of god?  Not everyone is a christian, and morality is not the exclusive realm of Christianity.  Just because the bible says something is morally wrong doesn't make it so.  Not all of us buy into your fantasy.

 

And for anyone saying gays aren't born gay, check "Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity"

 

What idiots...

March 9, 2011
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There is little that I find more irritating than this unrelenting debate over whether or not being gay is a choice. Can we finally all grow up and realize this argument completely defeats the point? Whether or not I am born liking chocolate cake does not have any bearing on whether or not that desire should be condoned. Even if it were determined tomorrow that homosexuality is a choice, would that change anything at all? There will be a day where this debate will be seen as tantamount to the days when European whites wondered whether or not blacks are born uncivilized.

March 9, 2011
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I created a CNN account just to comment on this thread. I did not read all of it, mainly because I quickly became so disappointed in many individuals' unsound and discriminatory postings I found here. I am a straight supporter of gay and lesbian rights, although am very familiar with the non-supporting argument (raised in a conservative environment). The simplest reason I can give for why I support and believe that homosexuality is natural and sincere is going to sound corny, but it's love. I strongly believe that love simply IS love, no matter the form in which it occurs. Love is an equalizer. Not to say the love isn't flawless, but that unreliability is just as present in heterosexual relationships.

 

Some have cited the Bible and some have cited science, but what about citing freedom of choice and lifestyle? You who do not approve of gay marriage or the cause have a right to that opinion. But you have no authority to take away others’ rights to such a blessed thing as love. When a group tries to define individuals whose lifestyle differs their own within boundaries that allow themselves to feel comfortable, that is simply unjust. In my eyes, that desperate attempt to limit others only validates being "born this way". It also shows a deep and sad lack of self-assuredness within the naysayer. If one needs to hold down others who contain a trait that is difficult to accept – a trait that does NO personal harm to you – one must be harboring a lot of inner struggle with one’s own identity. I am truly sorry that you weren’t raised in an environment that was more accepting of difference. But know that you do not have to feed into that cycle, break the chain and try to understand what you don’t know. In the meantime, don’t speak for others about such a personal issue as sexual-identity, for if you truly are straight, being gay is something you know nothing about.

 

I will end on this final note and will not respond to any messages directed at me. Please reconsider what you THINK you know and the lens through which you interpret this issue. Someone else out there believes and EXPERIENCES the opposite just as passionately and sincerely as you. Yet it is their hearts and basic human right to love and be loved in peace that is being put on the line, not yours.

 

March 9, 2011
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I'm gay and of course I love some of these pics, but we should NOT take cross-gender behavior in little kids as a 100% prediction that they will grow up to become same-sex-attracted adults.  There are cross-gender little kids who turn out straight, and gender-typical little kids who turn out gay/lesbian/queer/choose your term.  I get what the website is trying to say, and yet maybe I don't -- what exactly does "this way" mean?  Instead of pointing at some pics and going "gay kid, gay kid, TOTAL gay kid" maybe we can give all of our young people time and space to discover and define themselves as they see fit.  Thanks.

March 9, 2011
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I'll bet anything that kid is the product of a single mom who thinks it's cute to treat her son like a girl.

March 9, 2011
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The comments I find funniest are from the people who say that it is sinful to act on homosexual urges and/or that it is a choice to engage in gay sex.  Don't these people get it that the urges are what makes someone hetero, homo, or bi?  If you have the urge and do not act on it, you are as gay as as the guy who bends over with a smile on his face!

March 10, 2011
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I was nine when I had my first crush on another boy. His name was william, and while he was looking at all the girls and deciding on one to ask out to be his first girlfriend, I knew I only wanted to be with him. My father was not a distant father, my mother was not overbearing, and I grew up with dozens of male cousins all around me. People are born gay. Environment may have something to do with it, but it is mostly biological. I dated girls all throughout my high school career hating every second of it, being attracted to my best friends and falling in love over and over not being able to say a word. It was hell, thought about committing suicide but made another "choice." If I'm going to die I might as well live before doing so. So I am living openly. Without my family since they rejected me. But with my partner. This Novemeber we'll have been married for 3 years. I'm 23, he's 29, and I couldn't be happier. If you disagree with my life, good for you. I disagree with your stupidity and lack of sense. I can live quite well with all the hate now that I've learned to love myself just the way I am. And my family is on the way. Wether you like it or not. Deal with it.

 

It is time gays and lesbians speak up. We are citizens. We pay taxes. We don't need not want your respect, but equal treatment under the law is a must. Gay citizens deserve every right on the book, and I'm fighting for it.

March 10, 2011
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I think the world needs to embrace people from all backgrounds. Gay, trans, bi, homo, dl, whatever. How can religion suppress the mind and the body? It cant. You can try, but you are who you are and it will come out. Hopefully in a good way and not as a violation to others.

March 10, 2011
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like it or not, gaga's song does inspire these discussions.... and i <3 here like all of you should if you had SOULS

March 10, 2011
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It is amazing how people STILL refer to HIV/AIDS as something that only gay people get OR as some kind of divine punishment.

 

Was I born this way? The argument over the roles of nature VS nurture in personality are as old as modern science.

 

The idea of LGBT people being "evil" or "wrong" is based on tradition, misrepresenting different scriptures out of context, and taught bigotry.

 

You believe it is true, but that does not make it RIGHT.

 

If you think that hetero couples and your sole right to be married is so sacred, we should go back to not allowing divorce unless you have Papal permission.

 

If we are going to be TRADITIONAL about it, we may as well go back to being proper Catholics and not have our silly Protestant churches.

 

It is a slippery slope, when you start judging people.

 

Sooner or later, they come for you as well.

March 10, 2011
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As soon as other straight people stop having premarital and extramarital sex, they can say homosexuality is wrong. If this is a moral stance, then people should be just as apalled at anything sexual that is not in-marriage. Sorry, but you can't pick and choose which "sins" are okay, or "not as bad." It doesn't work that way.

March 18, 2011
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Of course gay people are born that way. They didn't choose to be a member of the most senselessly despised community since the Jews!

 

Less hate. More love.

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