Friday, March 18, 2011
Overheard on Kudos for the no-fly zone



Comment of the day: "The idea that a sovereign country can massacre its own civilians should be what is most worrisome. Intervention is a neutral tool, it is not intrinsically wrong by any means."




Opposition: Violence rages despite Libyan claim of cease-fire


Earlier today, The U.N. Security Council imposed a no-fly zone in Libya and authorized the use of force to protect besieged citizens. Many wrote to commend the French for their efforts to involve the international community.


JDonaldson said, “France stared Gadhafi down ... good work, Monsieur le Président.” No2Propagand said, “Vive la France! Love you French and thanks because of your effort to help Libyan people. France politicians have always been wiser than other super powers.“


But Richie1994 said, “Even though it was the British who pushed for the plan from the very start, when the US DoD simply batted the plans away... It was France that stared him down? If anything, it was more the British.”


ChadKruger said, “Damn, I love it when the U.N. actually accomplishes something. We made a difference without firing a single shot.”


To those who joked about the French and suggested the Libyans should handle their own revolution, Davidji said, “Wouldn’t be the first time a group of frustrated and oppressed rebels have depended on the French for help to fight a superior force.”


RU4RealIM said, “I ask, have you ever read a history book? Without the French we would still be an English colony.” Lanfeust said, “Maybe we should surrender when we came to save your nation against English. Pathetic!”


Some questioned why the U.S. should intervene in Libya, but not in Egypt. MuslimRevert answered, “Egypt was and is a completely different situation. You can't just lump all these uprisings into one category.” pradar1 said, “Mubarak gave in after the army sided with the people, the same with Tunisia. Gadhafi is different; some of his army and people sided with the opposition. He and his son stated they will die before they give up their power and used money to buy mercenaries.”


Many agreed with oendfuw, who said, “Pres. Obama has handled this situation very well.” TankThink replied, “Yes, he realizes that a just stance is much better than throwing your weight around recklessly. The good news is most of the rest of the world is impressed. Travel has become a joy again.”


Weekend full moon the biggest in about 20 years


Saturday’s full moon will be the closest in almost 20 years. For those with the clear skies to enjoy it, this “perigee moon” will be a large and lovely sight. KorbenDallas said, “Definite must-see if you haven’t before. I saw the '93 event while I was in Oregon. Saw it just above the trees in the lower cascades; it nearly filled half the sky.” SwimTiger said, “It's suppose to be raining where I'm at on Saturday. Let's see 2029, I'll be … just great: dead or blind.


But MrScience was reassuring. “Last month's full moon and next month's full moon will only be about one percent farther away (smaller). The apparent difference between the full moon and the day before and day after is bigger. So, if you miss this one, wait till next month and it will look about the same.”


Drumprof, like some other commenters, thought it was well known why low-hanging moons look unnaturally large.  Drumprof said, “When you look at the moon or sun low on the horizon you are looking at it sideways through more atmosphere than when you see it straight up. The amount air/atmosphere you look through is a "Convex Magnifier"... thus it appears larger. “


But many wrote to dispel that explanation. Hecep replied that NPR reporters “spoke with experts who agreed that the atmosphere has no magnifying effect. They simply checked this by comparing images taken of the Moon when it was low and high relative to the horizon; the size of the Moon did not change.”


HerbMinow agreed, “Get a caliper. If you can't find one, make one out of a paperclip. While the moon is low to the horizon, hold your caliper out at arm’s length, and adjust it to the circumference of the moon. Check back at various times of the night, and compare your measurements. Guess what? You won't have to readjust, because the moon will stay the same size at every point in its path!”


Hecep said, “When the Moon is low on the horizon, manmade structures, mountains, trees, the horizon itself -- now "near" to the Moon -- become scale references. The reason it looks so large low to the horizon is that you have other objects in your view to give it scale, so it looks larger. Further in the sky, it's all by itself, and it looks small.”


Austrain said, “Perspective, eh?” agHoff answered, “Nope! Optical Illusion.... Here is a nice article about it:”


Why aren't more women airline pilots?


Women make up only a small percent of career pilots flying today. Adelphus and many others thought the problem lies with their spatial ability. He said, “This is one of those jobs that falls into the gap of capabilities of men and women. When I started taking hang-gliding lessons I asked why there were so many more men. They said, ‘because this requires substantial spatial recognition, which is one of the skills that men are normally blessed with.’


But Cincpac306 replied, “You need to look into the NASA results of the experiments done during the Mercury program on a group of women. Your conclusions are incorrect. Women are superior to men in the types of multitasking concentration-intensive tasks that are required in flying, such as instrument approaches. For the record, I am male, and a commercial pilot.”


PSAGuy agreed, “As a 25+ year veteran of the flight deck and a captain for many years now, I have flown with many female FO's. They are professional, diligent, and I have enjoyed working with each and every one. They typically are much more tuned in to the minutiae of flight deck responsibilities than men, and take it in stride."


Navy64 said, “As a Navy pilot I've had the pleasure of working with female pilots. At my last squadron, twenty percent of the pilots and the two top pilots where women. On my last carrier tour the top pilot in the airwing was a female.”


Deblyn7 asked, “Aside from a love of flying, why the heck would anyone get into the airline industry now? My husband has been an airline pilot with a major carrier for more than ten years now. He has taken several cuts in pay and benefits.”


IkeAbootment agreed. “It used to be a nice career, with great pay and low stress. Now pilots have to log a lot more hours for a lot less money.” OcelotSpot said, “I'm a female airline pilot, and I love the flying, like the lifestyle, but the pay is horrible.”


Compiled by the moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

March 18, 2011
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I would hate to have these world leaders in charge of making a decision when I was having a heart attack on what to do when someone gave them an outlined sheet with the answers right in front of them. Please everyone with your inner soul send the power for these people to get right on it with no fly and observers immediately.  Helllllooooo! Troops should escort the observers and take appropriate actions necessary.

March 18, 2011
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The words coming from the State Department suggest that there is a "humanitarian" element to this operation. This rhetoric is so far from reality as to be laughable, if it wasn't so manipulative.


The US powers-that-be (or NATO as an organization) cares not a solitary iota for the long suffering people of Libya... or anyone, anywhere in the world, of normal means or less than that. The Libyan operation is about securing the considerable reserves of "light, sweet crude" oil which lie under the Libyan sands, controlled by Gadhafi.


If Libya's largest export was dates, or hummus... Gadhafi could shoot or bomb everyone in Libya, and Hillary Clinton and the DC powerbrokers would be "mildly amused".

March 19, 2011
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This should have been imposed weeks ago.

March 19, 2011
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We are broke, the US is in shambles and we are now ramping up yet another middle east war? No. This is crazy and misdirected. No more wars take care of US buisness.

March 19, 2011
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Kudos to France for FINALLY getting involved with the rest of the worlds inhumanity, even tho it may be just because it's so close the them. Whatever works. I was worried they had forgotten how the world came to their aid, not once but twice!

March 19, 2011
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hey im new here so i don;t know how 2 work this so one of u guy's can help me lol plzzz!!!!!!

March 19, 2011
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Benghazi is only one of many cities that needs to be protected from Ghaddafi forces. if "all the necessary measures" should be taken to protect the civilians and those who live in Tripoli considered as "civilians",then I think they should be the first to enjoy the foreign protection

March 19, 2011
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An anti-Gaddafi move is a quick response for the pledge of Libya's people. but it can as well escalate a handful of propagandas in the region, especially the Euro-American shape in the Arabic/Middle eastern communities...

But i personally think "it's operation ONE GOOD REASON", that the west it taking.

A move towards the unpredicted, the unknown and the fear of "NOT AGAIN! AMERICANS"

But we never know what tomorrow holds, yet!

March 20, 2011
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It is high time America stops giving excuses for its atrocities in the world.

First they went after Saddam not once but twice and ruined Iraq.

Secondly they did the same with Afghanistan, not to mention the central american island which have been completely devasted economically by the U.S.

Now their greed for oil and power has increased and they have turned their eyes to Libya.


They have made it a habit to interfere in the affairs of other countries. It seems it is better now to stay away from America & Americans. You let them in your country and the next thing you know is that they start dictating what you should do or not do.


It is a pity that Americans applaud such activities of their Govt. If these funds are used for Education, Job generation and Housing than that would help their citizens a lot more.


It is pathetic that UN also joins in these kinds of tyrannical actions of US along with other America dependent countries. America likes to play Big Daddy, instead it should get its house in order. When an American President has nothing to show for his perfomance he messes with other peoples happiness. The rebels in Libya are supported because they are on CIA's payroll.  

March 20, 2011

@indian69 I love how a goverment can blur your vision of a whole nation it's sad to say the least. Lets take libya for example their Government is curropt but there is still good people in the country. Yes I agree our government shouldn't have gotten involved in Afgan, and Iraq but when it comes to innocents being killed in the masses then why wouldn't you help? I guess your smarter then the president and the U.N  also America wouldn't have to play BIGDaddy if other countries got it together already. Yea our country might have issues but what country doesn't? Bring yourself down a notch.

March 20, 2011
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Gadhafi was a cruel,unethical dictator. It was time to see change, and support rebels for a good cause. The rebels were human beings who have been wrongly abused!!!

March 20, 2011
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I agree that the colonel needs removed from his perch, but the coverage Saturday where the anchor was "shushing" the on-site reporter so we could hear the impacts in Tripoli is reprehensible.  This is not entertainment, it is supposed to be reporting,not a tabloid-style info-tainment broadcast. Big black eye, CNN .  Report the events, don't try to ramp them up with gimmickry.

March 21, 2011
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I totally agree that we cannot simply stand by and do nothing, but at the same time we absolutely must consider what the concequences of our actions are going to be, not to mention what it is exactly we hope to accomplish and how likely our chances of success are going to be. Will Gadhafi really surrender his power to these rebels? Can the rebels even overthrow him without more direct involvement from allied forces? How is the rest of the Arab world going react to a long drawn out engangement in one of 'their' countries?

I think what we hope to achieve is to displace Ghadafi from power (regardless of what we are being told...the man is responsible for the 270 deaths in Lockerbie, 1988. the bombing of a disco in west berlin in 1986, and the delibarate infection of 426 lybian children with HIV, 50 of whom died, and god knows how many others) because he is a mass murderer who should be brought to justice in fromt of the international tribunal in The Hague. But how likely is it that we can achieve this without going in after him? And can these rebels really do this for us?

The way I see it we have 3 choices, none of them are very appealing, but then again, the whole situation is already one big disaster so hoping for hugs, puppies and lollypop parades is probably not very realistic.

Option 1: (my least favorite)

Withdraw, and let them sort if out themselves...probably resulting in many innocent lybian deaths, not to mention how bad it would make us look


Option 2: Go in, guns a-blazin', and force him to eventually surrender and bring him to justice while helping the Lybian people to set up a new government. Again, causing a lot of innocent people to loose their lives and with the very real possiblity that we would cause serious damage to already strained relationships with the Arab world, possibly resulting in setting off something that has been brewing since 9/11.


Option 3: Secretely assassinate him, but don't claim responsibility so you would always be able to hide behind 'plausible deniability'... Besides, for all anyone knows, it could have been the rebel forces. Then we could help in a peace keeping manner and help bring about a more stable lybia with democratic elections.


None of these are very appealing, but what we are doing now is simply wrong and not very well thought out.

If we continue on this path, we might all end up paying the price.

March 21, 2011
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What I don't like about how this debate is playing out is that people are focusing on the negatives of the choice to act in Libya.  The fact is that the President and the international community had to choose between two negatives.  On one side we could do nothing and risk nothing, leaving the Libyan people at the mercy of a regime that stated it will "have no mercy".  Such inaction is the path the world has usually taken.  Just look at all the atrocities that have taken place in the past 100 years when those responsible for acting have failed to do so. 


Instead, the international community has chosen to act to protect people and bypass the typical political ramblings that have hindered such efforts in the past.  Yes, there will be negative consequences to this decision, but in the end it is the best decision.

March 22, 2011
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The best way to fight the war on terror is not to fight al qaeda, but the dictators of the arab and wider muslim world. Freedom is al qaeda's enemy, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

March 22, 2011
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I am so proud of Pres Obama for not taking the lead as if the US is the only country in the world who can handle these situations.  It was difficult to stand back and wait for other countries to step up.  He did the right thing

March 24, 2011
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Why doesn't CNN have a commentator or politician who was an adult in 1986 without a convenient loss of or lack of memory? Comparing the current bombing in Libya with those on Iraq is like comparing apples and oranges. A more accurate comparaison of Obama's UN sanctioned action would be with that of Reagan's 1986 ordered bombing of Libya, which though not UN sanctioned, was not criticized by members of Congress, though most of the world and NATO were against Reagan's Operation El Dorado Canyon  incursion.

July 6, 2011
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do not like Wolf Blitzer's harsh voice.  It's irritating!  I prefer to listen to Candy Crowley!  Thanks.   I only watched today because she filled in for him.

July 6, 2011
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the US is obsessed with middle eastern oil... period!

August 2, 2011
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     My name is Whitley Davis and I am a current resident of Southeastern Kentucky. My whole family and many other families here in Kentucky have been in coal mining for generations. Many families throughout Southeastern Kentucky have relied on the coal industry here for generations to feed and support their families. All of our communities and economics here have relied on the coal industry to maintain our towns and way of life. Now that way of life and our economy has almost been destroyed by our own government.


     The  Federal Government developed and funds a program called M.S.H.A. which stands for Mine Health and Safety Administration. Since the start of this government program this organization has single handedly been responsible for destroying the coal industry in Southeastern Kentucky and destroying our economic well-being. Hundreds of jobs have been lost and communities reduced to nothing all because of  MSHA and their tyranny and abuse of power.


     My family has owned and operated independent coal mines here for two generations. We have kept hundreds of families in counties such as Bell county and Harlan county employed for all of these years. Now in 2011 hundreds of jobs in both counties have been lost due to the relentless abuse of  our own government program called MSHA. How could our own government destroy hundreds of jobs and do so much damage to our economy? How could our own government take food off of American family tables and greatly jeopardize the roof over thousands of children’s  heads? Yet our own President, Barrack Obama, preaches to us on a daily basis on how we need to create more jobs and rebuild our economy! Yet at the same time that he is giving his speech, the very same government is destroying the economy through programs like MSHA! I don’t understand the theoretic behind all of this. I don’t understand why we need MSHA at all. Kentucky already has a state  inspection board. That’s all we need. That is how it was before MSHA and every thing was fine. Just a prime example of our government have to have their fingers in everything! Government, in my opinion, has become way to large and spends way too much money on programs like MSHA. They do nothing but destroy our way of life and drive up the national debt which in turn is destroying our entire country economically.


     Bell county and Harlan county pay the highest coal severance taxes in Kentucky and yet our communities still struggle to have descent roads, businesses ect… come into our cities and towns. Hundreds of families have moved out of these counties because of  MSHA  and the abuse of power that it has enforced on these small independent coal companies.  Men and women  in their thirties, forties, and fifties have all had to move to locations outside of Southeastern Kentucky with their families and start a whole new career. They have had to start over again and learn a whole new way to make a living when at one point in time they were making a good living doing what they knew in the coal industry. And all because of MSHA.


     Now in this day and age towns here are dying, all kinds of businesses are failing, and hundreds are broke and unemployed. MSHA has destroyed  the coal industry here which in turn is having a very large, negative adverse effect on our entire economy and small businesses. Everyone and every business in these communities are struggling to make ends meet. They do not know when, where, or how  their next paycheck will be received or if they will have one at all. These are very hard times and our own government is only making it worse by allowing agencies like MSHA to operate. MSHA needs to be abolished and our economy and way of life here needs to be restored. This will only happen if there is no more MSHA! If our government really wants to cut, cap, and balance and help our economy then MSHA and other programs like it need to be abolished. How can you reduce the national debt and have national economic recovery if government organizations like MSHA are single handedly destroying it?



Yours truly,


A very concerned American 


August 4, 2011
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What recession?  What job losses?  See the front page of today's NY Times

November 18, 2011
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Hi all my first comment and I think if you find it PLEASE read it, I had a dream about creating millions of jobs,reduced and in some cases  even stop floods by transfering water from a point to b point, become energy independent at the sme time it will give us a stronger hold on the middle east because we wont need their oil and we will be able to even supply other countries making us even strnger and richer also why not pay for our debt with our oil that we wont be needing and what really makes this so awesome the state of PA did it they created 250,000 jobs in one year they can also export the natural gas, yes I said it NATURAL GAS the technology is here I like electric cars but they are so expensive and the tech is not there yet. ok got to go write me at ty

November 27, 2011
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i do not understand america and americans any more , we go overseas and fight for freedom and democracy only to return home and put our tail between our legs like little bitches and bitch whine and cry , while our government create agencies like the epa and drive all our jobs abroad or overseas , and we do nothing to abolish the epa but we bitch whine moan and cry we have no jobs , surely you can see why we cal,our system demo cracy and the people of the democracy we call democrats and give them the symbol of a jackass or donkey because we are so stupid we pay our servants to ticket ,fine abuse us and lock us up and kick us in the ass, while the servants live large and say they arte serving us , hahaha yea right, we created the dea lock up our sons and daughters for a $1.00 joint to make $ 40,000.00 a year by imprisoning them , are we the people that stupid , are americans that stupid , the dea fail to stop the drugs from goming into the country and no one in the dea goes to jail for failing us , but our sons and daughters are the victims of the dea failure and the politicians ignorance , they should did up nixon crap on him and burry him for this failure, we call the war on drugs . today the epa is driving all the jobsd overseas and we do nothing but bitch whined and cry , we have become american cowards , only brave when we attack some third world country, how about locking up the servants and politicians for failing us . not the children . our government have become our slave masters not our servants , time to close down the prisons and help our children , not put them in prisons where the only people who benefit are the government and judges and lawyers ,and our children mare victims of their ignorance and failure . we need to whoop the servants ass, for failing us americans. and free our children from the violent prisons .

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