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In the hours and days after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, which left 20 schoolchildren and 6 teachers and administrators dead, I, like many others, found myself unable to fully process my feelings as I watched the story unfold.
One of our most important roles on the iReport team is to spark conversation among our audience around news events, and we often look for specific angles or calls-to-action to explore with the CNN community. Immediately following the Newtown shooting, though, there was no need to start a conversation – hundreds of CNN readers and viewers promptly began flooding our site with their reactions to the incident. Some wanted to talk about mental health care, while others were interested in the shooter’s motives.
So, we listened to our audience and created a place for people to discuss whatever they wanted to. More than 1,500 iReport stories poured in, in addition to more commenters on Sandy Hook articles than for any other story this year on CNN.com.
A few days later – as people began to process their feelings – we discovered, not surprisingly, that the most powerful content we were getting were the personal tributes, children’s letters and private memorials that families around the world were making to make sense of their grief. We started an interactive gallery we call an Open Story to showcase those, a powerful example of crowdsourcing that was one of the top stories on the CNN.com homepage yesterday.
At the same time, we knew there was an opportunity to have a meaningful conversation among gun owners. We invited owners of firearms banned under the now-expired federal weapons ban to join in the discussion, too. More than 100 gun enthusiasts have shared their thoughts on gun ownership and whether stricter gun control laws are the answer.
The image above and photo at the top of this post, both of which we received yesterday, represent how starkly different and powerful those two topics are. It's a huge testament to CNN’s community that people moved to create memorials and people who feel passionately about firearms have been able to coexist peacefully on our site yesterday and hold meaningful conversations in the comments.
Within both groups, we’ve seen interesting, smart, poignant stories and discussions emerge. A story that’s as incomprehensible and heartbreaking as Sandy Hook often leads to angry, emotional conversations (as I’ve seen far too often on Facebook threads this week). But I've been heartened to see two groups of people – those who are grieving and creating tributes to the victims and those who are willing and eager to share their thoughts on gun ownership – who are able to coexist thanks to the fact that we’ve carefully guided those conversations and given them a safe, respectful forum to do so.
As the Sandy Hook coverage continues and the debates undoubtedly carry on, I look forward to seeing what topics we explore with our community next.
I like how out of the 100's of photos and stories YOU post the picture of the craziest looking person. You suck Katie, You truly enjoy endorsing only one sided information and miss the valid points 100's of people are trying to make. You may be pro gun control but millions of Americans are not, Please have some journalistic integrity and show both sides of the debate in a fair manner.
Why did you pick the craziest/most menacing readers picture for this piece? I read through all of the 100's of posts and even posted my own picture and reasons why I own these weapons in question. YOU chose to report on the one person that places gun owners like myself in worst light both visualy and written. The gentleman whom you posted the picture of had one of the less than mediocre reason for owning guns. Many other gun owners had 100% better and more valid reasons for owning these firearms.
As a journalist you shound have a little more integrity and show both sides of this debate in a fair manner. For you to sift through 100's of articles and photos readers send in and then choose the one that shows gun owners in the worst way is unethical.
Have a little integrity as a professional and show both sides fairly.
Feel free to contact me back,
This guy should have known that CNN would be phishing for these types of photos. I dig that H&K but to the owner... YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. This doesn't help! And to CNN... have you no integrity?
Nice picture. Pick the craziest, nuttiest looking wack job to represent the gun community. You should have taken a picture of me this afternoon as I dropped off a whole truck load of donated Christmas presents, scarves and gloves to my church with a big smile on my face. I was carrying then. I hate the negative bias. Especially from a journalist who is supposed to be on a mission to find the real story. You simply want to validate an agenda. Whatever sells the best with your liberal base though right? For shame!
If the NRA wants to profit millions on selling guns. Then ask taxpayers to pick up the tab to protect our kids,then they should step up an use their millions of lobbying cash to protect us from their idea of rights to guns
LET US GET TO THE REAL REASON OF GUN CONTROL. LETS TALK ABOUT THE IRRESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENTS OF NOT LOCKING UP WEAPONS AND NOT HAVING SUPERVISION OF THE VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. AND YES EVERY GUN SOLD SHOULD HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK. SET A LARGE FINE AND JAIL TIME IF CAUGHT NOT DOING BACKGROUND CHECK. ALSO HAVE YOUR FACT CORRECT. THIS SHOOTER HAD MENTAL PROBLEMS. MOTHER WOULD STRESS ON NOT LEAVING HIM ALONE BUT IN FACT SHE WAS ON A RETREAT LEAVING HIM HOME BY HIMSELF FOR DAYS. IN HIS BASEMENT WAS MANY MANY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES WITH NO SUPERVISION. ONCE AGAIN IT COMES DOWN TO MENTAL HEALTH, BACKGROUND CHECKS, A SUPERVISION AND LOCKING UP GUNS IN A SAFE. IF YOU HAVE MONEY FOR THE WEAPONS YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR A SAFE TO LOCK UP WEAPONS, WHICH ALSO SHOULD COME WITH A HEALTHY FINE. MAGAZINES SHOULD BE LIMITED TO HOW MANY ROUNDS CAN SHOOT.
HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ALL SALES OF GUNS WITH A HEFTY FINE AND JAIL TIME IF DO NOT.
REGULATIONS / SUPERVISION OF VIDEO GAMES
LOCK UP GUNS IN A SAFE WITH NO ACCESS OF ANYONE ONLY OWNER OF GUNS. HEFTY FINE AND JAIL TIME IF DO NOT
IT STARTS IN THE HOUSE HOLD FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY.
MAKE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE OF THEIR ACTIONS WITH A HEFTY FINE AND JAIL TIME.
We need to limit and or watch the weopons we give to certain people and question what will they use the weopon for...
I was under the impression she was showing contrasting photos to explain the diversity of people and their responses. Sounds like a lot of hate mail going on and I don't even know who Katie is =( Sad people.
I'm a teacher. My school has had a full time deputy on duty for 20+ years. They are armed, they can arrest, protect and educate kids on many issues. They are our heroes. The NRA is right. Don't lock up guns lock up the insane. One assault rifle vs a pistol. Why are we having that arguement. Is it OK to kill 5 kids vs killing 20? Silly. The NRA is right. Read the Surgeon General's report on mental health. It calls us a fractured nation when it comes to mental health issues. The NRA is right. Most of the press and the politicians are wrong if they go after gun control. Stop going down that road. Go down the prison-assylum road.
I wanted to see what others thought of NRA? Today I went out and scraped the NRA stickers off my vehicles. I feel the NRA is no longer in touch ethically or morally. They do not represent my thoughts or vision. The NRA released statement they were taking firm stance about automatic weapons. They have no problem with current system. They did say they suggested we put armed guards in schools. This to me is just another half baked idea just so they look like they care in some fashion. The NRA is supposed to be promoting saftey and gun education. They do not!!Personally, I feel no one needs a automatic weapon only the military or police. As of now anyone can walk into a gun show which there are many and buy any weapon without background check. They are buying from indivduals and not companys and therefore this exempts them. This has to change too. On a personal story I live in a small town. Six years ago a local citizen about 55 years old had never had a hand gun. This citizen had done alot for community and was well liked. He snapped one day as another person was making bad statements along with wriiten things about him being gay. He was gay and open but it was the harasment and embarasment in small town. He went to local pawn shop bought a semi auto pistol and hour later went into local diner with a full restaurant and shot the waitress he thought had been harassing him.Turned out he shot the wrong person. Anyway, it could have been very bad but bad enough with one dead. My point is we need better waiting periods and back ground checks. Also, we don't need guns in schools. Yes, we need security but maybe those trained with tazer guns is only one thought. There has got to be better alternitives to this violence if we can get the outside influences like the NRA and there lobby to stay out. I blame in part our legislative body for dragging there feet and allowing perts and donations to campaigns. I think it will take a grass roots campaign to get something done and to think outside the proverbal box. We have seen this physical cliff thing with legislative body and they can't even decide anything there so what would make the gun issue any different??
Oh for crying out loud. We need serious education on all fronts. Like so many divisive issues, the two sides of this one barely talk the same language so it is no wonder they can't communicate. I am a gun guy so I will start by speaking to my own. Most people are not wanting to have the SS swing by and round up weapons. Most of them are afraid, they don't understand the culture and equate serious gun owners to some of the trumped up reality show bunk. As gun owners we cannot be isolationists. We HAVE to be at the table. We have to drive the conversation on gun control or we will end up with another moronic placebo like the original AWB.
Non gun people. Look. Automatic weapons are already banned. Semiautomatic weapons have been around for a very long time A revolver is effectively a semiautomatic pistol. Every trigger pull makes a bullet come out (I know there are technicalities to what I just said). The point is, the bans and other claptrap are focused on qualities that are purely cosmetic. The gun folks are appalled because it is the equivalant of trying to regulate speeding car by banning chrome exhaust tips... You cannot ban your way to safety. We need to understand one another. When you start talking banning my gun, a gun that has never harmed a soul and is responsably kept, I see it as having to relinquish my freedoms because someone else is stupid. It rubs me wrong. I know the UK and other places have gun bans and I don't care. I live in the United States. I believe in ALL the bill of rights.
If we don't come together and start having meaningful dialog that doesnt disintegrate into a soap opera we will end up with a law that angers al the gun owners and does absolutely nothing to keep us or our children safer.
It is a very sad state that the NRA thinks the answer is to put guns in school. There are. REAL solutions that need to be in place. All guns need to be registered and sold with a background check. Owners of guns have to take responsibility to keep children safe and guns out the gang bangers. Why do we want a terrorist to have a gun? This should pass with 100% of congress support. If not then throw them out!
Second is to eliminate rapid fire clips. Take the large clips out of the hands of the general public. These are REAL changes. The NRA should not tell Americans what to do. We need to tell the NRA what they will do. Time for the dog to wag the tail.
I will start out by saying I do not own a gun and never have and at this point do not intend to. I have no ax to grind with either side of the issue, except they are both quoting statistics that further their case and ignoring statistics that do not tell the story the way they want to hear it. One of the examples is Australia's Gun Control Law and the effect it has had.
I saw a news report on CNN the other day, in fact several of them that quoted the effects of Australia's gun laws as being responsible for a reduction of violent crimes. Accordingly, they were down 59%. I believe that was Don Lemmon quoting that percentage. I have a feeling it was a half truth and I have a link on Fact Check that you guys are so famously always doing that says different. Here is the result of several studies by snopes and news organizations in Australia that as late as May of 2009 say the facts and figures were showing insignificant decreases in GUN RELATED crimes. "The University of Melbourne, concluded that the buyback had no significant effect on firearm suicide or homicide rates." "So there’s no consensus about whether the changes decreased gun violence or had little to no effect." You can find this info on FACT CHECK.ORG in an article dated May of 2009. If you will go to the New South Wales Crime Bureau statistics you will find that they too do not show a significant decrease in GUN RELATED crimes either. Your reporters, including A. Cooper, D. Lemmon, E. Burnett, C. Crowley and others all seem to be happy to quote statistics that are only partly correct when they are discussing something they have an opinion on. They use their podium to further their opinions which they should NOT be doing. They are news people. As such, they should be reporting on the news impartially and not MAKING the news.
I don;t know where to add something to what the British Papers have said about Piers Morgan against guns. I really hate what happened to Piers brother Ambrose years ago - I heard from a family link that Ambrose went missing off the Falklands about 1982?
I hate what happened to my niece's God Parents in Florida - they were shot in a car about 1990 according to the Radio - they were from Banbury in Oxon. Bob and Rose Heyward. I hate what happened to Gae Exton too - cf Christopher Reeve - she was shot according to the BBC News in 2005. I don't know if she survived?
I hate the thought of convicted murderers having guns and people playing dangerous games. I never went to Israel because I heard men were going around with machine guns.
The bible Story of Esther is interested because a letter was written to kill all the Jews but she intervened - there were still some who wanted to see them killed but at the end of the story they had to defend themselves against the enemy.
I grew up in a home of an irresponsible gun owner. My little sister found a loaded gun in a cabinet and shot a hole through Moms purse. Guns were displayed in an unlocked cabinet in the living room in a house with 9 kids. I get cold chills thinking of all the crazy things kids do. I feel there is a gun culture gone out of control in the U.S. There is no way I could ever be convinced of a need for the number of guns out there! Assault rifles are properly named..ASSAULT weapons.There is no place for them outside the military!
Maybe the NRA should try and get gun rights to All people visiting the United States or on temporary visa's so they can protect themselves while they're here in this fine country. Think of all the money they could make, and the government could get in on the action with too, by taxing the transactions and then offering a buy back program on the weapons. They can't take the guns home, but they can be a supporting member of the NRA International.
threefifty7 Greetings to TULSA 01. Here are a few suggestions for you. Give your opinions and make your points freely. You absolutly have that right! But how can you think that you can be believable and contribute to the debate when you have hardly a single fact right in your argument! YOU GIVE THE impression that the NRA is some kind of fortress with a few big shots making all the decisions. It is an organized, very large part of USA citizens,representitive of good, average men and women who like firearms! They are sportsmen/women, firemen, police officers, lawyers, doctors,teachers,church members and their leaders and yes even insurance people. Now if you think you're going to disturb the rights of all these people just because "they don't fit into YOUR way of thinking" you better do a lot more research on facts about the subject of fire arms and legal organizations! And then rant on how you go out and deface private property. Disgusting!! P.S. send everyone a list of your favorite organizations. Maybe they should be scruutinized.
my gun my responsibility
The solution is rather simple.
Every newly manufactured gun will have an embedded chip. When remotely activated the properties of the chip will disable the gun for good. Adds $1 to cost or $5 to retail price.
Since every gun is registered to an owner, when the gun is lost or stolen the owner's responsibility will be to report this via text, a call, on-line access etc.. to a hot-line which will enable the gun to become disabled and GPS-traced.
Motive is that owner is held responsible for the safeguard of the gun. Technology is available and cheap. Look at your phone or Tablet; it has an App that knows your location very precisely.
Existing guns will have to be refurbished to acquire similar properties by re-registering and applying a patch with GPS-tracing chip.
Additionally all owners will report (text, voice, on-line) on a monthly basis that guns in their possession are in a safe place and not lost or stolen. I believe existing laws will secure the support of such an idea.
On occasion I receive letters from Costco advising that a product purchased by me on a certain date has manufacturer recall and instruct me what to do........I don't think they are violating any privacy laws.
LIFE IS ABSTRACT. People no longer care. The Mayans got it right, even though December 21st was not the right day. In an abstract way they got it right. Where are we and how did we get here? Today, kids can play video games and shoot people and nobody thinks anything of it. We live in a world where the horrors on the street are not talked about and vilified but made movies of in various ways and still we don't have the common decency to shun these movies or video games. Life imitates art.Art imitates life. There are no borders. Today a kid aged 6 in Connecticut is afraid to go to school without a gun strapped to himself or his teacher being armed with a gun. Is that not the end of the world or de we need to see an asteroid hitting the earth before acknowledging our own self destruction? Are we so poor in our minds that today we even CONSIDER the possibility of harming a 6 year olds innocence even further by debating on daytime TV that it would be rational to consider the fact that its OK to have a gun around. God bless America. It lasted just over 200 years but the experiment is over. I just hope whomever takes over has the same spirit as the founding forefathers of America. America lost that spirit and honour in 2012.
I think that if u think that guns are evil you are wrong. it is not the weapon that makes you evil it is your mind. the gun don't tell you to pull the trigger does it no. but what might happen is that they should make sure your mentally fit to own a firearm. (:
god bless america
Suggestions for gun control bill:
1. Mental health care. Tag those with abnormal behavior, As soon as it becomes a public safety concern it stops being a privacy issue. Folks who are really odd go on the watch list just like felons, domestic disturbance people, conduct anger management people.
2. Make concealed carry laws universal and have standards to pass in order to get them. Allow teachers who want to carry to carry concealed. Not all teachers, just those willing to train with cops to safely use and be effective with them in life threatening situations.
3. Encourage and require gun owners to use gun safes, and be responsible for all weapons always being secured. Gun owners must be held responsible for weapons that are stolen. Negligence must be a major concern for allowing guns to walk, and later be used in crime.
4. All sales to anyone need to go through a state police background list. Oregon does it for $10.00 and it takes 30 minutes. The cops have lists of people not allowed to buy weapons. Gun shows, and just private people must have a tracking number of what serial # went where, with finger prints on file.
5.Semi-auto guns should have a magazine limit of 10 rounds capacity. This is a gun control, feel good requirement to mostly make anti-gun folks who have never needed a gun for preventing a crime, feel better about not knowing much about human nature, and life.
6.Gun safety classes for all 8th grade students to alert them to spot unsafe gun handling, and how to avoid people who are not safe. All in society will come in contact with guns in America. All should know how to open action to ensure gun is not loaded, and is never pointed at any thing where a discharge would hit to cause damage or death to. Always treat every gun, as if loaded and could go off at any second.
6. Do not tamper with the 2nd Amendment. It is #2 in importance of the original 10 individual rights guaranteed to all citizens of America. It was first only for white males of property, and wealth, but additional amendments retroactively improved it to guarantee this right to women, and citizens of all creeds and different races. As we have grown and tried to get it right .... and be in harmony with the Declaration of Indendance, it remains the one check and balance to remind us we are all indeed trusted enough to be truly free. This country was formed by minute men, common citizens armed beyond the reach of police, soldiers, and governments all of which can and do go bad. The armed citizen is the most immediate method to protect self and family when other forms of protection are minutes away, but not there when immediate deadly force is needed.
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott , father of Columbine victim, addressing Congress December 2012
I would like to share what the Culver City High School Student Council made as a memorial to Sandy Hook. Perhaps we should reflect a bit.
(1-minute delay at the beginning)
I have recently felt a sad sense of loss that the United States is changing before my eyes, and not for the better. As a people, we seem to be more introspective, colder, maybe even a bit meaner of late.
Some of this comes as fallout from the 2012 presidential election. In those months leading up to November, I recall the relentless, despicable, hateful shots lobbed back and forth between the two parties. This was by far the saddest, sickest presidential campaign I can remember.
And then there was Superstorm Sandy, creating an unbelievable loss of life and property on the East coast. Watching those poor, now-homeless survivors cry in the cold, pleading for help, was hard to watch. All we could do was cry along with them. In the end, Sandy forever changed the lives of thousands of families, people like you and me.
And we were saddened beyond belief by the terrible shooting of 20 innocent children and six adults at Sandy Hook School in Connecticut. The sobbing parents whose children had been shot was too hard to watch. But we did, and we sobbed with them.
Enter the New Year! We ushered in 2013 and with it, the so-called Fiscal Cliff. What a fiasco! To see our country’s pompous President and our Congress-in-chaos try to agree on a last-minute deal -- after they had months to do it right and without the added pressure of time. This too was sad to watch. Are these characters the best we have to run the nation’s business? I don’t think the situation in Washington is going to change any time soon. I hope I’m wrong.
Most Americans have also been exposed to all of the above. Maybe the sadness I feel is also felt and acted out by a good share of Americans. As we go forward, we can’t prevent another Superstorm. And I personally believe that, whichever side of the gun laws you happen to be on, evil still seems to find a way to make the headlines.
Lastly is the dysfunction in Washington, D.C. I hope the Executive and Legislative branches will step up, put aside any differences and try harder to do the “right” thing for the American people. There are many tough issues on their plate and our elected officials must remember that they work for us.
I think we’re at a crossroads where we Americans “must” pay closer attention to what is happening in Washington. Only if we’re well-informed and stay well-informed, will our vote be the right vote. I want to see America return to the days where we are proud of our country, proud to be an American! Let’s hope this is possible.
AR15 owners defend the right of ownership by citing the constitution. So, can Wolf Blitzer park an M1 Abrams tank on his front lawn? The law does limit which weapons a private citizen may own. The same law preventing tank ownership ought to be able to control an ownership of an AK or AR15 assault rifle.
I was disgusted by your interview with Cpl Boston this morning. This former marine made a very valid point that you glossed over and dismissed as if it were crazy. Boston said that hunting and sporting were not included in the second amendment. Does this mean anything to reporters, or is your opinion more valuable than the constitution?
The 2nd amendment does not exist for deer hunters. It exists for a people to be able to rise against tyrrany. The second amendment was designed so that we could over throw the government if the government stopped respecting our liberty. We need to have weapons comparable to those weapons that will be used against us by an oppressive tyrant. We will need more than ten rounds of ammunition against our current military.
The Sandy Hook school shooting was a terrible tradgedy as were all mass killings. Those mentally ill people who did those things could have made bombs, they could have used knives (as was done in China), or they could have started a fire. Stopping mad men from committing crimes may never be possible. The threat from these few people, however, should not be used to take away liberty from the rest of us. It's against the constitution. Dianne Feinstein is a tyrant who is threatening freedom -- that should be your story.
The media has done a dismal job of reporting news. Your agenda is constantly sewn into your reports. The questions you asked Cpl Boston were a hundred times tougher than any question you would ask one of your hero democrats. Why is that? Why not demand Dianne Feinstein to read the second amendment and explain why she feels she should be able to change the constitution? The election is over and CNN needs to examine it's corporate integrity and start practicing real journalism. Get tougher on Washington, stop dividing the country, and start reporting the news, not your opinions.
What I find continually hard to believe is how so many adults can be swept up in political hyperbole. The FACTS do not support a need for gun control. I want to repeat that one more time: THE FACTS don't support a need for any further gun controls. There is no correlation between an increase in gun ownership and gun violence. As a matter of fact, the opposite seems to be the case. 60% of countryside homes have a firearm (probably multiple) yet the rate of gun violence is very low in these areas. Take into account that only about 30% of urban homes have a gun, but contrast that with the fact that most gun crime can be found in the city. Also take into account that every single mass shooting since 1950 (except for one) has occurred in an area where lawful possession of a gun is forbidden. I urge all truly concerned citizens to get educated about guns and the facts behind gun violence in America. Recently, a fellow named Sam Harris wrote a very good piece (mostly good) about guns on his Blog at samharris.org called “The Riddle of the Gun.” This article, in one quick read, covers all the facts and figures of gun violence. It’s all true. I don’t disagree with the stats he quotes, but there are some areas where his opinion is off base (in my opinion). But overall, it’s an outstanding and FACT BASED look at gun violence. YOU SHOULD READ IT. Senator Feinstein’s re-hashing of a failed former law is nonsense. If that law had been found effective, or necessary, it would still be law. As a matter of fact, since the Assault Weapons Ban went away, there’s been an overall increase in assault style weapons sales, yet no correlative increase in crimes committed with that weapon system. There are calls for lawful citizens to be “outed” because they own guns; newspapers and State Reps calling for lists to be published? Can this be seen as anything other than Fascism? What’s next, colorful patches sewn to the clothing of gun owners? Our founding fathers saw the people as the guarantor of our own freedoms, and they believed, rightly so, that any government was capable of caring more for itself than its citizens. They believed, and rightly so, that an armed citizenry kept the government in check. Of course, along with being armed, our forefathers assumed that we’d take full responsibility for our country as good citizens. Does anybody honestly believe that the government has YOUR best interest in mind? Would we be talking about the insanity that is the Fiscal Cliff if that were truly the case?
I find it interesting that so many people are donating so many things. I even heard that there were 30,000 teddy bears donated. Now I have no problem with people donating to those in need. I do have a problem with people hustling for donations to make everyone a instant millionaire like they did after 911.
Where is/was the out pouring of grieving and giving to all the other children that were killed in 2012 or children left without parents because their parents were murdered?
Do people only care if the news media makes it a big story? If anyone makes a profit over this they should be put in jail. If any parent or relative receives money except for counseling, Funeral expensives, and yes even a teddy bear should be ashamed of themselves.
I am sure certain people will become instant millionaires just like people did after 911.
Do not get me wrong, I deaply care about everyone involved, but I am also real - if you do not need monetary help do not take it. There are many tragedies
where people really need monetary support.
With regard to the proposals and suggestions for changes in Gun Laws,
a lot of the comments and suggestions I have seen here range from worthless to
just plain stupid. One guy wants to make gun owners responsible if their guns are stolen; REALLY?
you want to make the victim responsible for a crime that someone else commits? Even the best
gun safes can be broken into. Police have has guns, cars, uniforms stolen. Nothing is 100% nothing
in a sure thing. Many don't like the NRA's proposal to put armed guards in all schools, yet offer no
real and effective solutions of their own.
As for myself I just don't see the problem with armed security.
We have a school district in Texas that has had staff with CHL's carrying since 2007 - no problems.
We put armed guards at banks.
we put armed guards at baseball games
we put armed guards at football games
we put armed guards at basketball games
we put armed guards at the government buildings
we pay for armed security for the politicians
we spend billions of dollars to protect Iraqi and Afghan citizens
But you don't want to protect our students at school? How stupid is that?
I wouldn't be opposed to the background checks for private sales of guns, but the reality is, that
would not have stopped even one of these crimes..........
Criminals don't do background checks. Their guns come in the same box with their cocaine, crack,
PCP and they are delivered by the nice folks from the local drug cartel, gangbanger's etc... and generally delivered in a stolen car.
Most of the comments and suggestions focus wrongly on the GUN. They want to ban
rifles simply because they look like military rifles, but they are not.
An AR-15 is not a M-16. A MAK90 is not a AK47. A M1A1 is not a M-14.
It's no surprise that many of the crimes have been committed with AR-15's - it is the
single most popular hunting rifle produced.
The Governor of Texas has stated that he wants all Concealed Handgun License holders
to be able to carry their guns anywhere in the State, and that would be a good thing.
The changes need to focus on mental health and the criminal element. We already
have laws to cover virtually every aspect, we don't need more.
Piers Morgan...Alex Jones? An interview with Alex Jones? Really?
That guy is the quintessential nutjob, every single respectful village has an Alex Jones among the sane people.
None the less you, Piers Morgan, are a liar and here is why.
Why you keep saying that after the handgun ban in England there were no more gun mass murders? In 2010 taxi driver Derrick Bird shot dead 12 people and injured another 11 in West Cumbria, U.K. Apparently if a taxi driver can have easy access to a gun and commits mass murder, your ban on guns isn't that effective as you portrayed tonight, is it?
You have asserted that on the same day of the Connecticut massacre, in China 22 school children were assaulted by a knife wielding man, but no one perished because no guns were involved. What you fail to report is that in 2010, China had 18 children murdered by knife in their classrooms in 4 separate attacks, one of which claimed 8 of them. Is it because a lower number of children killed per attack is less important to you?
In the period between 2001-2012 there were 212 victims of mass murder in Western Europe, gunned down in Countries where guns are either very restricted or outright banned. 239 is the total for America. Gun control does not work when someone is bent to commit mass murder, take away the guns from the equation he/she will find another easy way perhaps even more despicable.
I personally don't care if you have 35 gun deaths per year in U.K. vs our 8,583 (FBI official tally for 2011, not 11,000 as you asserted), if I have to live in a country like the U.K. where the risk of being victim of a violent crime is 3 times higher than here at home. Hasn't ever crossed your mind that us having guns makes the difference and keeps the violent crime down?
Can you explain to us why the British police now patrols your country streets armed with sub-machine guns when all the guns are banned in England, like you proudly asserted in your show tonight? It never happened before 2009 that Bobbies, your own British police, walk around armed to the teeth. Can you explain us why?
I do not believe in gun control, I do not believe in vigilantes style armed guards at our so called "gun free zones".
I do believe that we need to allow people with concealed guns permits to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, allowing them free access to all the facilities who are not already guarded by Police and Sheriff departments and let everyone know they are among us.
These cowards that attack schools and malls and theaters do so because they know nobody will fight back, they know that law abiding citizens leave their guns at home event with a permit to carry concealed because they follow the law.
Ask yourself why we never hear of anyone ever attempting to shoot up gang's joints of any kind or color.
Morgans piece last night was not something you should be proud of . You put a wack job on from the radio and try to apply it to all of the firearm owners in the us .
Agree with both pburt62 and Eg2ndam. Piers constantly proves that what is good for England is not good for America. What is bad for Mexico would be worse for America. Piers Morgan please check out the story of several small towns and villages in Mexico now arming its citizens with guns in order to prevent widespread mass killings being done by drug cartels. Great theory about taking guns away in order to prevent wide spread killing, but it just does not work. Gangsters, criminals, and bad people not to mention insane people all seem able to get ahold of guns and do far greater damage when the good are defenseless.
I find it interesting that the discussion of this event has been primarily placed upon the topic of Gun Control and Mental health. Although these are valid and each needs to be looked at as an educator I find it interesting that the topic of “teacher expectation” has yet to be taken into account.
As an educator I find it sad that it is just accepted or expected that a teacher place themselves in the line of fire or that we are expected to give our lives to our students yet we are still paid the lowest of all careers, are expected to educate the children of the future on a dismal budget and are regarded as less than important to the greater sociological makeup.
Look at what we are expecting of our teachers and educators. Simply implementing NCLB does not make our live any easier yet again places additional stress and further expectations on our already stressful lives.
The teachers that gave their lives for their students were simply called heroic and then swept aside. We need to look with wiser eyes and realize that our teachers are dyeing for their profession.
The 2nd amendment does not exist for deer hunters. It exists for a people to be able to rise against tyrrany. The second amendment was designed so that we could over throw the government if the government stopped respecting our liberty. We need to have weapons comparable to those weapons that will be used against us by an oppressive tyrant. We will need more than ten rounds of ammunition against our current military.
Funny thought here, no one has yet touched upon the fact that all across the country police departments are laying off law enforcement officers..( i.e - California alone has laid off more officers then any other state in the nation and their increase in violence shows this wasnt the smartest move..yet they have money to support a professional football team??)I wonder if Feinstien has any thoughts on this subject, oh wait that is prob why she carries a concealed firearm herself.. Not to mention the fact that more criminals are being let out of jail to kill, rob, steal and pillage by the ineffective justice system then ever before, as long as they are the rght color they deserve a second chance to cause hell and mayhem, yet they want to target the law abiding citizens and take away our only means of defending ourselves from both the uniformed and un-uniformed criminals in our society. Gun control is not the main issue here, in order for our society to be disarmed we have to have full faith and confidence in our governement and law enforcement officials to protect us, personlly I am more afraid of our outstanding boys in blue then I am any criminal, the criminals do not have a federal, state and local license to kiil us at will our police and law makers do.. Just saying wake up and think for yourselves and stop letting the government do your thinking for you!!
Last thought here, has anyone noticed with the exception of the DC sniper that ALL of the recent mass shooting have been committed by white males between the age of 18-25? To curtail this legacy of violence let's just stop selling guns to this demograpic group, but if we did that is would most likely start a new civil war.
Thomas Paine says, "An Inquiry into the origin of rights will demonstrate to us that rights are not gits from one man to another, not from one class of men to another; for who is he who could be he first giver, or by what principle, or on what authority, could he possess the right of giving?" and further, "The circumstances of the world are continually changing, and the opinions of men change also; and as government is for the living, and not for the dead, it is the living only that has any right in it. That which may be thought right and found convenient in one age, may be thought wrong and found inconvenient in another. in such cases, who is to decide, the living, or the dead?"
The Constitution of the United States is a living document and is subject to interpretation by and for those who live in that time. We see and are experiencing that the second amendment is not working as interpreted by the NRA and the old Supreme Court and we need a new interpretation. The call for action is loud; the time for action is now. This is the time for all good and reasonable people to come together and make a change for the betterment of society. We should not miss the opportunity.
Comments have been flying back and forth for a long time now. People from other countries telling us what to do in our country. Sure their gun control might be very stern but we don't get all the truth. How many people die each year from Tasers each year? So far 70 people have died in the United States and Canada by the police. People in other countries who have strict gun laws are finding other ways to commit crime. 1,000,000 stun guns have entered the UK illegally. Criminals now use stun guns, which are 20 time more powerful than tasers. Police use of tasers in both our contries are running rampid. I understand that using fowl language in front of a police officer can land you in jail, in the UK. Gun owners should have gun safes in their homes. Bolted to the walls and floors. If you buy a gun, buy a safe too. One mor thought, reloaders should be respectful of their neibhors too. Lock up the gunpowder and bullets too. I have been told by a couple of reloaders in my lifetime. If my house catches on fire--Get out of the neibhorhood.
Had a person commenting on this subject, on another site, why Idaho, with 12.5 firearm deaths per 100,000 wasn't lower on the list of state firearm deaths per 100,000 since otherstates were lower than Idaho had higher firearm death rates per 100,000. Just to give you an idea, Mexico has 10.44 firearm deaths per 100,000. By comparison, you are safer in Mexico than in Idaho. Of course, most deaths in Idaho are accidental versus by crime in Mexico. However, stupidity is not an admirable way to die so I don't think accidental death is very comforting. So quit worrying about details. The point of the article is that we, in many states, live in an unsafe place. By the way, the second most dangerous developed county is Canada at 4.84(2009) per 100,000. Very few states are as safe as Canada. When we are compared to the developed world, we are 6 to 8 times more dangerous and we compare only to the danger faced in many, but not most (sadly), undeveloped or developing countries. Based upon that information, it is time to have an INTELLIGENT debate and VOTE.
By the way, My state is 36th (2012) in actual firearms death on this list, even though we are rated as 39th (on a recent published list). I think this rating, though I am not quite sure, is based upon an average over a few years. 2011 caught Washington in a bad year, 2011 caught Idaho in a good year. Hawaii does have quite a few hunters so this is surprising as the accident rate is very, very low. However, Hawaii has the most stringent laws in the U.S. and they have faced constitutional review and did not fail under the perspective of the second amendment. New Jersey and Massachusetts have excellent firearm requirements. Once assault weapons are properly dealt with along with licensing, registration, limits as to firearm ownership and a ban on clips that hold in excess of 10 rounds.
I own two firearms. I am skilled in firearm use. More required testing such as a firearm usage test (like an automobile test drive), eye tests (unless you have a licensed spotter due to handicap and have passed the appropriate firearm usage requirements), mental health testing and written usage exam. If you want a right to carry firearms, you ought to show that you are physically and mentally equipped to handle the arms you possess. Accidental deaths will drop significantly. Just to let you know, Idaho has an accidental firearm deaths rate of about 10 per 100,000. This is unnessary. Washington is at about 6 per 100,000. Hawaii has about 1 per 100,000. Other states are much, much worse than Idaho or Washington. What does that tell you?
One more thing. If I person feels a need to own beyond a limited number of arms (which ought to be set by legislation after debate) then it should be acceptable for them to own these arms as long as that firearm owner joins a military reserve unit for training and to assist the defense of the country. I believe that this not only favors the 2nd amendment but would allow us to visualize the intent of the defenders of the Bill of Rights. If they are not willing to serve their country as they own these weapons then they are not serious about their constitutional rights. And, no, previous military service ought no matter. Stringent dangers needs excessive requirements.
Anyway, that's my spin. Whats yours?
One more thing. Banning anything just increases illegal activity. We have outlawed cocaine and heroin usage and sales. We have a black market feeding demand. Prohibition did not work. Some economic statistics provide evidence that sales and consumption increased after economics went into effect.
Banning weapons will evolve into a black market. However, you may restrict, or ban in limited ways, some munition, attachments and weapons. The bans cannot be so excessive as to affect the current existence of legitimate business. However, price will increase due to restrictions and sales legitimately decreases. Some people won't pass test or meet registration requirments. Owning a high number of weapons is not worth joining a reserve unit. Business adapts but business cannot legally adapt to a complete ban.
I am so stunned that no one has gotten to the root of the gun problem. First we all must realize that only law abiding citizens follow the laws that are put into place. I don't think the criminal cares if he breaks the law since that is their intent to begin with.
The problem and solution to gun control is for people that own guns to be responsible, they should have their guns locked up so children can not get to them. It is the responsibility of every gun owner to make sure no one can steal or use those weapons. I have numerous guns from AK47 all the way down to a little 22 pistol. ALL of them are locked and hidden in our house. We need to impose laws on how guns are to be stored, and we need to hold people responsible for their guns. Yesterday the boy who shoot at the Taft school took his brothers gun. So who's fault is it for the shooting, the mentally ill child or the person who left the gun where he could get it. Lets get serious and start talking about the main problem. "HOW GUNS ARE STORED"
When pro-gun folk say crime statistics did not change after gun control CNN counters with gun-crime statistics; crime statistics are not the same as gun-crime statistics. With no personal weapons, gun crimes might go down but all crimes might go up. Please compare on the same basis, apples and apples; statistics for all crimes, before and after gun control.
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