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(Newly Released U.S. State Dept Documentary Proof That Richard Holbrook Gave Radovan Karadzic Immunity & Assassination Attempts on His Life
http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/i-don-t-think-these-newly-released-state-dept-papers-come-anywhere-close-to-answering-dr-karadzic-s-legal-concerns-insofar-as-whether
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: RefutationUnclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
I don’t think these newly released State Dept. papers come anywhere close to answering Dr. Karadzic’s legal concerns insofar as whether:
1) an informal but genuine immunity agreement between the USA & Radovan Karadzic existed,WE CAN ALL VIEW THE GENUINE OFFICIAL RICHARD HOLBROOK POSITION AND THAT OF THE ENTIRE BILL CLINTON ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT CAME TO CUDDLING UP TO WAR CRIMINALS LIKE KLA MEMBER AND LATER ACCUSED HAGUE WAR CRIMINALS AND AL QAEDA ASSOCIATES SUCH AS. Hashim-Thaci KLA/UCK Albanian.
COME ON US STATE DEPT, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THIS PAPER TIGER PRESS RELEASE TO CONVINCE THE EDUCATED AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT HOLBROOK DID NOT MAKE SUCH AN IMMUNITY AGREEMENT AND W/ DR KARADZIC.
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
(AND HOW ABOUT YOU <input ... >WESLEY CLARK AND JOHN MCCAIN, WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL POSITION ON DEALING WITH WAR CRIMINALS IN KOSOVO SENATOR SIR (?)
and,
2) whether Richard Holbrook and associated U.S. officials at that time threatened to assassinate Dr. Karadzic and/or make him “disappear” if he did not comply with immediate demands of the US newly declassified released State Dept. reports including those Karadzic himself cites at the Hague court pressed him to immediately withdraw from further Presidential and all other political public functioning.
In my estimation there remains an entire courtroom of reasonable doubt hanging over the question remaining which is still is whether a Holbrook - Karadzic immunity agreement existed.
I strongly believe an immunity agreement agreement did in fact to exist when analyzing details of, Dr. Karadzic’s actions and speech (I MEAN LACK OF SPEECH) in my chance vacation meetings with him in 2002. I can only speak as a sociologist.
1) First and foremost, the United States (for all outward appearances), diplomatically, would not be foolish enough to get caught with their pants down so to speak in 2009 and risk the United Nations purview accusing them later in 2009 of being limp on war criminals in 1996. These newly released papers only give an outward diplomatic appearance of ‘an official U.S. stance,” and do not tell the whole story of what went on behind the scenes; I found this out when attending the 2001 UN Preparatory Commission Meetings to Establish an International Criminal Court.
2) Gary Bass in his book entitled, “Stay the Hand of Vengeance,” does a precise job of portraying Richard Holbrook as a man wavering like a weed in the wind diplomatically between prosecuting war criminals and doing a lot of backdoor diplomatic dealing with those accused of war crimes informally out of both public site and diplomatic necessity. Pg. 241 describes particularly well America’s true position on the matter in saying,
“The America and European delegations came together to pressure the Bosnians, a process Sacirbey, then Bosnian’s foreign minister, describes as “kind of like pissing on each other’s hands and saying we’re cleansing our hands.”
PLUS, look at the Albright with war criminal Hasim Taci above in Kosovo and also <input ... >Wesley Clark.
It is common knowledge to US official foreign service employees that once hired and working as an official US Representative in military and/or diplomatic capacity, you cannot take on your own personal opinions as to whether to shake hands with Mladic, Karadzic and/or Taci.
An official employee of the USA must follow the “Official Position” of their country of origin. IT IS OBVIOUS IN THE CASE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, ITS OFFICIAL EMPLOYEES AT THAT TIME LIKE WESLEY CLARK AND ALBRIGHT WHOM BOTH TOOK ON THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS OFFICIAL USA POSITION THEN, WHICH WAS IT WAS ALRIGHT TO HANG-OUT WITH AL QAEDA AND KLA WAR CRIMINALS. AND TO ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRINUTIONS FROM THEM ALSO AS I HAVE SHOWN IN OPENSECRETS PAC MONEY MANIFESTATIONS.
Also, what about Karadzic’s accusations he fears his life because of assassination threats emanating from Holbrook threats he had better withdrawal at once from political public life (?)
I for one will not be forced fed what I consider strongly Holbrook’s load of lying crap. I’ve been around enough UN diplomats to understand the true meaning of what I read below in the newly released US State dept. papers.
So I ask you, Richard Holbrook–>>>> Are you saying to the American public, in the same way the American public asked Bill Clinton whether he was lying when he said “I didn’t have sex with that women,” that you never pressured Dr Karadzic with any assassination and/or did you ever Richard holbrook ever threaten to withdrawl American protection from Dr karadzic if he did not at once comply with your demands that he immediately withdrawl from political public life (?)
In your own departmental papers below it states under no uncertain terms to me that then Bosnian President Izetbegovic threatened to force Dr Karadzic into resignation if he did not comply with the demands from US, you and Izetbegovic using “other means than diplomatic.” THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXTREMELY UNFRIENDLY ACT MR. HOLBROOK—It sounds like you directly told Dr. Karadizc he would get a bullet in the head otherwise.
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
LUNCH BREAK IS OVER:
And Richard Holrbook, I ask you (since you were there and I was not), exactly what did page 1 of 3 below of this paper ‘ really mean’ (?)
Exactly what type of actions was it you all seemed to agree “we will support it” that was going to be undertaken against Dr Karadzic had he not complied to withdraw from public political office at once (?) It is obvious the type of action you all present were prepared to take against Dr karadzic; you were going to assassinate him (!)
This is the true reason for which you and others in official US diplomat capacity refuse taking a stand at the Hague in a WITNESS SEAT (!)
Isn’t this true Mr Holbrook (?)
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
Now let’s continue with page 1. The next sentence reads Holrbok that “PRESSURE ON...”
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
You insist that you are some type of good will ’saint’ with wings on your feet and a some moral American halo on your head huh (?)
You expect us to believe that you would be willing to participate in an assassination attempt against Dr Karadzic for non compliance of your ‘agreement’,
but,
we are all supposed to applaud you in America, for your pressuring “Beograd” in particular, Slobodan Milosevic, (someone himself later accused of being a war criminal by you and the Hague ICTY –but useful to you at that time for implementing the Dayton Accords forward) to bring Karadzic & Mladic to the Hague at some non existent date later in time huh Holbrook(?)
Yeah right Holbrook (!) HA HA HA.
I don’t believe your crap Holbrook and beg to prove you a liar!!
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
Now Mr. Holbrook, the 5 million dollar question is what did you explicitly mean by what you stated above in your own interview on the topic of what would happen to Dr Karadzic IF he were to resurface in the public political sphere of things in the future(?)
Holbrook , just what exactly did you “make clear” to Ambassador Frowick, Richard (?) It is obvious to me in meeting Dr Karadzic on several occasions in 2002, he was obviously making a very specific effort NOT TO SPEAK WHEN HE REALLY WANTED TO (!)
https://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/i-don-t-think-these-newly-released-s
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: RefutationUnclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
I don’t think these newly released State Dept. papers come anywhere close to answering Dr. Karadzic’s legal concerns insofar as whether:
1) an informal but genuine immunity agreement between the USA & Radovan Karadzic existed,WE CAN ALL VIEW THE GENUINE OFFICIAL RICHARD HOLBROOK POSITION AND THAT OF THE ENTIRE BILL CLINTON ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT CAME TO CUDDLING UP TO WAR CRIMINALS LIKE KLA MEMBER AND LATER ACCUSED HAGUE WAR CRIMINALS AND AL QAEDA ASSOCIATES SUCH AS. Hashim-Thaci KLA/UCK Albanian.
COME ON US STATE DEPT, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THIS PAPER TIGER PRESS RELEASE TO CONVINCE THE EDUCATED AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT HOLBROOK DID NOT MAKE SUCH AN IMMUNITY AGREEMENT AND W/ DR KARADZIC.
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
(AND HOW ABOUT YOU <input ... >WESLEY CLARK AND JOHN MCCAIN, WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL POSITION ON DEALING WITH WAR CRIMINALS IN KOSOVO SENATOR SIR (?)
and,
2) whether Richard Holbrook and associated U.S. officials at that time threatened to assassinate Dr. Karadzic and/or make him “disappear” if he did not comply with immediate demands of the US newly declassified released State Dept. reports including those Karadzic himself cites at the Hague court pressed him to immediately withdraw from further Presidential and all other political public functioning.
In my estimation there remains an entire courtroom of reasonable doubt hanging over the question remaining which is still is whether a Holbrook - Karadzic immunity agreement existed.
I strongly believe an immunity agreement agreement did in fact to exist when analyzing details of, Dr. Karadzic’s actions and speech (I MEAN LACK OF SPEECH) in my chance vacation meetings with him in 2002. I can only speak as a sociologist.
1) First and foremost, the United States (for all outward appearances), diplomatically, would not be foolish enough to get caught with their pants down so to speak in 2009 and risk the United Nations purview accusing them later in 2009 of being limp on war criminals in 1996. These newly released papers only give an outward diplomatic appearance of ‘an official U.S. stance,” and do not tell the whole story of what went on behind the scenes; I found this out when attending the 2001 UN Preparatory Commission Meetings to Establish an International Criminal Court.
2) Gary Bass in his book entitled, “Stay the Hand of Vengeance,” does a precise job of portraying Richard Holbrook as a man wavering like a weed in the wind diplomatically between prosecuting war criminals and doing a lot of backdoor diplomatic dealing with those accused of war crimes informally out of both public site and diplomatic necessity. Pg. 241 describes particularly well America’s true position on the matter in saying,
“The America and European delegations came together to pressure the Bosnians, a process Sacirbey, then Bosnian’s foreign minister, describes as “kind of like pissing on each other’s hands and saying we’re cleansing our hands.”
PLUS, look at the Albright with war criminal Hasim Taci above in Kosovo and also <input ... >Wesley Clark.
It is common knowledge to US official foreign service employees that once hired and working as an official US Representative in military and/or diplomatic capacity, you cannot take on your own personal opinions as to whether to shake hands with Mladic, Karadzic and/or Taci.
An official employee of the USA must follow the “Official Position” of their country of origin. IT IS OBVIOUS IN THE CASE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, ITS OFFICIAL EMPLOYEES AT THAT TIME LIKE WESLEY CLARK AND ALBRIGHT WHOM BOTH TOOK ON THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS OFFICIAL USA POSITION THEN, WHICH WAS IT WAS ALRIGHT TO HANG-OUT WITH AL QAEDA AND KLA WAR CRIMINALS. AND TO ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRINUTIONS FROM THEM ALSO AS I HAVE SHOWN IN OPENSECRETS PAC MONEY MANIFESTATIONS.
Also, what about Karadzic’s accusations he fears his life because of assassination threats emanating from Holbrook threats he had better withdrawal at once from political public life (?)
I for one will not be forced fed what I consider strongly Holbrook’s load of lying crap. I’ve been around enough UN diplomats to understand the true meaning of what I read below in the newly released US State dept. papers.
So I ask you, Richard Holbrook–>>>> Are you saying to the American public, in the same way the American public asked Bill Clinton whether he was lying when he said “I didn’t have sex with that women,” that you never pressured Dr Karadzic with any assassination and/or did you ever Richard holbrook ever threaten to withdrawl American protection from Dr karadzic if he did not at once comply with your demands that he immediately withdrawl from political public life (?)
In your own departmental papers below it states under no uncertain terms to me that then Bosnian President Izetbegovic threatened to force Dr Karadzic into resignation if he did not comply with the demands from US, you and Izetbegovic using “other means than diplomatic.” THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXTREMELY UNFRIENDLY ACT MR. HOLBROOK—It sounds like you directly told Dr. Karadizc he would get a bullet in the head otherwise.
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
LUNCH BREAK IS OVER:
And Richard Holrbook, I ask you (since you were there and I was not), exactly what did page 1 of 3 below of this paper ‘ really mean’ (?)
Exactly what type of actions was it you all seemed to agree “we will support it” that was going to be undertaken against Dr Karadzic had he not complied to withdraw from public political office at once (?) It is obvious the type of action you all present were prepared to take against Dr karadzic; you were going to assassinate him (!)
This is the true reason for which you and others in official US diplomat capacity refuse taking a stand at the Hague in a WITNESS SEAT (!)
Isn’t this true Mr Holbrook (?)
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
Now let’s continue with page 1. The next sentence reads Holrbok that “PRESSURE ON...”
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
You insist that you are some type of good will ’saint’ with wings on your feet and a some moral American halo on your head huh (?)
You expect us to believe that you would be willing to participate in an assassination attempt against Dr Karadzic for non compliance of your ‘agreement’,
but,
we are all supposed to applaud you in America, for your pressuring “Beograd” in particular, Slobodan Milosevic, (someone himself later accused of being a war criminal by you and the Hague ICTY –but useful to you at that time for implementing the Dayton Accords forward) to bring Karadzic & Mladic to the Hague at some non existent date later in time huh Holbrook(?)
Yeah right Holbrook (!) HA HA HA.
I don’t believe your crap Holbrook and beg to prove you a liar!!
Unclassified State Department Documents Refute Karadzic Claims: Refutation
Now Mr. Holbrook, the 5 million dollar question is what did you explicitly mean by what you stated above in your own interview on the topic of what would happen to Dr Karadzic IF he were to resurface in the public political sphere of things in the future(?)
Holbrook , just what exactly did you “make clear” to Ambassador Frowick, Richard (?) It is obvious to me in meeting Dr Karadzic on several occasions in 2002, he was obviously making a very specific effort NOT TO SPEAK WHEN HE REALLY WANTED TO (!)
https://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/i-don-t-think-these-newly-released-s
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