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This iReport is part of an assignment:
Being black in 2012
- “Why USC and not a black college, Dr. Dre?”, More Likely, Why Should Dr. Dre do this when the Traditional Black colleges have failed?
- Both Candidates for Mayor of Los Angeles Wendy Greuel and Eric Garcetti have the Endorcement of Past and Present Black Elected Leaders who are deceitful, hypocrites, and most of all a disgrace to the essence of what it means to be elected officials!
- The Only Individuals Fooled by Obama are Morehouse College Graduates and Other Uniformed Individuals who Respect this Charlatan. President Barack Obama is a liar and a disgrace to the Office of the Presidency!
- Unlike far too many U.S. born Black leaders or other prominent Blacks, other ethnic groups are less likely to betray his or her own community, heritage, trash a career, or be so un-American, deceitful, dysfunctional, and/or treasonous!
- Makia Smith you definitely have more sense than many Black elected officials, black lawyers, multiple members of the Congressional Black Caucus, many Black police officers, and misguided Black nationalists!
When you Lie Down With Nasty Rotten Garbage You Get Up With Maggots and Fleas, You Get up With or Become Foul Smelling Trash too. Attorney Rickey Ivie, like Reverend John J. Hunter, is Sleazy and Unethical Too!
When you lie down with nasty rotten garbage you get up with maggots and fleas, you get up with or become foul smelling trash too. Attorney Rickey Ivie, like Reverend John J. Hunter, is sleazy and unethical too.
……and a law abiding U.S. born black man or woman can’t find a decent competent black lawyer or elected official because typically black lawyers and elected officials are incompetent, unethical, sleazy, or defend thieves, crooks, illegal aliens, etc., etc…… Attorney Shawn Holley representing Lindsay Lohan, Attorney Rickey Ivie representing no good sacrilegious Reverend John Hunter, etc., etc., before representing the first law abiding U.S. born black man or woman with a legitimate claim or reason to seek redress for civil or criminal wrongdoing by the government, a private business entity, organization, an individual, or individuals. In civil claims for redress to where law abiding U.S. born blacks are the plaintiffs, Caucasian, Hispanic, Korean, etc., etc., lawyers use this opportunity as damage control to sabotage your interests, or to lower the payoff, to protect the economic interests of Caucasian business interests.
Typically, a U.S. born black man or woman is forced to go it alone in pro persona and even here your chances of winning are slim, because no matter how valid your issues are, or how competently you formally and verbally present your claim in court, be it the Los Angeles County Superior Court, or any other court jurisdiction, these institutions of the people, protect the interests of the court and not your Constitutional rights.
Selected favorite comments from readers of the article, First AME Church is at a crossroads by Angel Jennings, Los Angeles Times,
“Sounds like they have another great leader following in the footsteps of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.” by dwbrn1776, December 6, 2012
“The church's congregation is too blame for this financial crisis and silliness. As an African American, I've always detested these type of black ethnocentric churches. All one has to do, is drive past these type of churches on Sunday morning and witness the above it all attitudes and the very silly grandiose apparel choices.
I think this church needs to expire, the members knew the devil they hired, I'm sure most bragged that their devil pastor was living a lofty lifestyle. It has always been my belief that churches should be color blind, the days of slavery are over, yes racism still exists, but we (African Americans)practice the very same agenda within our own "culture".
Go away AME, your practices are antiquated and no longer needed.” by BreezeSummers, December 6, 2012
“You see what they did in San Francisco...stood in front of the pulpit so Hunter couldn't preach! That's gangsta! Those members up there got the member and was like, I don't think so! Not in this house. I just think it's crazy that the Pastor and his wife and not be expelled from the church due to misuse of funds. Church is truly big business.” by mizzmax1, December 6, 2012
“This was never a church. It has always been a hate mongering, race bating, political brainwashing organization. Good riddance.” by National Organization of: Who Cares?, December 5, 2012
As the pastor of the oldest black church in Los Angeles, the Rev. John J. Hunter earned a generous salary, lived in a $2-million home and drove a Mercedes-Benz paid for by the church. His wife earned $147,000 a year running nonprofit organizations connected to the 19,000-member congregation.
But over the last few years, the hilltop church in the West Adams district has fallen into debt.
The First African Methodist Episcopal Church owes nearly $500,000 to creditors. Some vendors say they have not been paid in more than a year.
The financial woes have sparked an ugly battle for control of the church and its nonprofit corporations.
A civil lawsuit filed by the church this week accuses the former pastor, his wife and a small "cabal" of church leaders of "holding dictatorial control over [the church] … for their own personal gain — both financially and for self-aggrandizement."
The bishop who oversees AME churches in the western United States abruptly transferred Hunter to a church in San Francisco in late October. But that church took the rare step of rejecting Hunter. On the day he was supposed to deliver his first sermon, church members physically blocked him from taking the pulpit.
Now Hunter is fighting to regain his position as pastor at First African Methodist Episcopal. He continues to live in the posh Encino home that the church pays for while the new pastor, the Rev. J. Edgar Boyd, lives in a hotel and is not receiving a salary. Hunter's wife, Denise, is also refusing to relinquish control of the church's nonprofit organizations, according to the lawsuit.
Hunter has had a rocky tenure at the church. Since taking over First AME in 2004, Hunter has been sued for sexual harassment, a civil claim that was settled for an undisclosed amount. The Times reported in 2008 that an internal audit found he charged $122,000 in jewelry, family vacations and clothing to the church's credit card. He later agreed to a nine-year repayment plan.
In interviews this week, Hunter defended his stewardship of the church and said he was "blindsided" by the lawsuit.
"My life, my ministry has been characterized by those attacking me," Hunter said. "To be then characterized as some looter and somebody who's been greedy … nothing can be further from the truth."
Hunter denied that he took advantage of his position and said church officials approved his $239,000 annual salary and perks, which he said were not out of line for an experienced pastor in his position. He also said he's not to blame for the church's financial troubles.
"The church was struggling financially because we are in a recession," he said. "That is the challenge of those that engage in ministry."
But many at the church simply wanted him to go quietly, saying the congregation needed a fresh start.
"It just vexed my spirit that he preached this word from the pulpit and some of the things he preached contradicted his life," said Dwayne Foster, a longtime member. "The church is struggling, and he was asking people to give and tithe more while he was sitting in a parsonage in Encino and putting personal stuff on his corporate credit card."
Foster left the congregation for a year and a half in protest. He came back after the pastor was reassigned.
A 14-page civil lawsuit filed against the Hunters on Tuesday is filled with allegations of improprieties.
The lawsuit cited the sale of six parcels of church land worth $6.5 million, a transaction Hunter has publicly counted among his successes. The lawsuit alleges that "whereabouts of the sale proceeds remain a mystery."
In addition to the church's sizable debt, the lawsuit said recorded judgments against the church total an additional $200,000.
The troubles extend to the church's nonprofit corporations, which were formed in the wake of the 1992 L.A. riots to provide loans and other support to help rebuild the community.
The lawsuit alleges that Denise Hunter orchestrated a "coup" to seize control of the nonprofits that she ran "as her own personal fiefdom." Federal tax records show the nonprofits have assets worth several million dollars.
One day after Hunter was moved from the Los Angeles church, Denise Hunter filed documents with the California secretary of state's office, appointing herself the corporations' new "agent for service," allowing her to act on behalf of the organizations, according to the state agency.
The lawsuit alleges that she removed all the corporations' files from church offices and told 100 employees that she — not the new pastor — was the chief executive. Since then, she has denied the church access to the financial records, the lawsuit states.
"She recently admitted to Pastor Boyd that her coup is designed to sever any supervision, control and influence" of the church and its parent over the corporations, the lawsuit states.
As a result, the church has asked a court for an immediate injunction barring the Hunters from access to corporation facilities, records and funds. The church also asked for a court-appointed receiver to take control of the corporations.
Hunter defended his wife's actions, saying she was simply completing long-planned changes.
"There was a vision to separate the corporations and church before I became pastor," he said. "Nothing illegal or wrong is done here. Everything is proper."
Rickey Ivie, an attorney for the nonprofit corporations and board, called the lawsuit "unprofessional, unnecessary and exceedingly premature" and said he expected them to be "completely vindicated of any claim of impropriety."
The nonprofits were formed after the L.A. riots under the Rev. Cecil "Chip" L. Murray, whose fatherly presence and civic activism propelled him and the church to be influential forces for change. Under his 27-year leadership, the congregation grew from several hundred to 16,000.
Hunter took the helm in 2004 after Murray reached the church's mandatory retirement age.
Hunter's reign divided the church, according to some members. His supporters describe him as a charismatic preacher who helped those in need, and he successfully fended off several attempts to have him removed.
But in late October, Bishop T. Larry Kirkland unexpectedly transferred Hunter to a 650-member congregation in San Francisco.
"It's like a death and it's just so ungodly," said an emotional Hunter, noting that he was not given the chance to address his
congregation a final time. "It's contrary to the way that decent human beings conduct themselves and certainly contrary to all church law."
He has taken a medical leave of absence while the church's national board considers his petition for reinstatement.
Kirkland has not returned calls requesting comment on Hunter's status or the lawsuit.
But at a Nov. 4 church service, the bishop stood before thousands of congregants who gathered to welcome Boyd to Los Angeles.
"This is our flagship church," Kirkland said, "and we cannot afford to let it go down."
Copyright © 2012, Los Angeles Times
CNN i-Report: "Republicans are so stupid!!!!" by Logan248
I truly believe the Democratic Party will do whatever it takes to prevent Barack Obama from corrupting this nation. Despot/Tyrant Barack Obama's threat and mission to punish the wealthy, and senseless wasteful spending will also destroy the Democrats too.
"Morons vs Morons. It's no wonder we are lower than Venzuela." by logan248
"When you have media control like Obama, you can lay out the crappiest plan available and sell it like its genius. 53% of the people are too stupid to know better, and then they wonder why they will never be in the 1%, or even the top 30%, unless they hit the powerball." by tbr
"Apparently Mitch McConnell took your advice and proposed to take a vote on Obama's plan but it was shot down - by Democrats!! The President's plan is so bad even the dems don't want to vote for it!" by gio6666
gio6666, tbr, logan248, etc., etc.
CNN I-Report: When you Lie Down With Nasty Rotten Garbage You Get Up With Maggots and Fleas, You Get up With or Become Foul Smelling Trash too. Attorney Rickey Ivie, like Reverend John J. Hunter, is Sleazy and Unethical Too!
If you look at the photo of the above i-Report you will see President Obama in the same photo with Reverend John Hunter.
"First AME Church is at a crossroads" by Angel Jennings, Los Angeles Times, June 5, 2012
Paragraph from the above LA Times article: "As the pastor of the oldest black church in Los Angeles, the Rev. John J. Hunter earned a generous salary, lived in a $2-million home and drove a Mercedes-Benz paid for by the church. His wife earned $147,000 a year running nonprofit organizations connected to the 19,000-member congregation. But over the last few years, the hilltop church in the West Adams district has fallen into debt. The First African Methodist Episcopal Church owes nearly $500,000 to creditors. Some vendors say they have not been paid in more than a year."
It can't be good when any elected official, especially the President of the United States, is in a photo, and being blessed by one of many disgraceful and unethical, jackleg preachers in the black community, namely no good Reverend John Hunter." *************************************************
Oath of Office,: "I, (President, Supreme Court Justice, Congressperson, Assemblyman, Mayor, City Councilperson, Judge, ), during such times as I hold the office, I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States (the Constitution of the State of California, Maryland, Illinois, etc., etc.), against all enemies foreign (terrorist enemies of the U.S., illegal immigrants, un-American or un-Constitutional anything and everything, etc.) and domestic (treasonous individuals or organizations, any Police Chief who condones this and the Police Chief's rogue police officers, unethical or criminal elected officials or public servants, illegal aliens or his or her advocates, un-American anything and everything), and that I will bear true faith and allegiance, to the Constitution of the United States , (State Constitution), and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter."
U.S. Constitution, Article VI:
"All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1:
President's Oath of Office: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
U.S. Senate and Congressional Oath of Office: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
Lies Don't Keep Us Safe. Keeping Us Safe Requires Respect for the Rule of Law and the Constitution. The government's argument is untenable. “The government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the court” by U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney
“ …….Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist. 'An employee who is asked about possible wrongdoing has only two legal choices:Tell the truth or say nothing”. (LA Times, January 22, 1998.)
........"Tell the Truth or Say Nothing" also applies to any U.S. President, Congressional office holder, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, U.S. Attorney General, court official, court clerk, Deputy City Attorney, Judge, elected official, lawyer, journalist, etc.